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DMCA Forces Cox To Censor Changelog?

CmdrTaco posted about 13 years ago | from the don't-know-what-this-means dept.

Censorship 573

Ross Vandegrift writes: "Alan Cox released 2.2.20pre10 today, which includes security fixes. He is refusing to indicate what security holes have been fixed, as Unix-style permissions could be used as an anti-circumvention device. The thread starts here. " It'd be great if people could read the threads here and try to figure out what is going on. I'm a little lost, but it looks like he's being overzealous.

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Force this! (-1)

TrollMan 5000 (454685) | about 13 years ago | (#2460553)

I'm forced to get first post!

Propz to logged in trolls!

Re:Force this! (-1)

evil_spork (444038) | about 13 years ago | (#2460575)

Good fp, TrollMan 5000. What do you say we fuck the page width up on this article? I've time to waste. :)

Re:Force this! (-1)

evil_spork (444038) | about 13 years ago | (#2460588)

It would be appreciated for all crapflooders, logged in and AC, to reply and help me fuck up the page width. Thanks in advance.

Re:Force this! (-1)

evil_spork (444038) | about 13 years ago | (#2460601)

Props to all other sporks!

Re:Force this! (-1)

evil_spork (444038) | about 13 years ago | (#2460621)

Props to cyborg_monkey and j0nkatz!

Re:Force this! (-1)

evil_spork (444038) | about 13 years ago | (#2460631)

Did I mention that linux sucks?

Re:Force this! (-1)

TrollMan 5000 (454685) | about 13 years ago | (#2460644)

w00t!

Yes, w00t!

There's a little bit of spork in all of us. Let it out!

Re:Force this! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2460655)

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keesh's perl script strikes again! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2460670)

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Re:keesh's perl script strikes again! (-1)

evil_spork (444038) | about 13 years ago | (#2460691)

W00T! Keep up the good work, AC :)

Re:keesh's perl script strikes again! (-1)

evil_spork (444038) | about 13 years ago | (#2460707)

CmdrTaco is too busy assramming Jon Katz to fix the bugs and holes in Slashcode.

Re:keesh's perl script strikes again! (-1)

evil_spork (444038) | about 13 years ago | (#2460723)

The only hole Taco cares about is this one [goatse.cx] .

Re:keesh's perl script strikes again! (-1)

Anomymous_Spork (447035) | about 13 years ago | (#2460745)

Mr. Evil Spork,

While I've long respected you as being one of the original sporks, and probably one responsible for the breaking of moderation a while back, it is clear to me that your sig, while entirely useless and page widening as it should be, is not as effective as it could be.

Please take steps to fix this. If you can not see how, please ask.

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Re:keesh's perl script strikes again! (-1)

ArchieBunker (132337) | about 13 years ago | (#2460693)

now we need a perl script set to 2 minute intervals that replies to every post in a story with random garbage. Have people pick a story and stay with it until its archived.

Re:keesh's perl script strikes again! (-1)

LinuxIsForAssholes (527253) | about 13 years ago | (#2460697)

If you believe JonKatz is distributing homosexual propaganda through his stories then Please Post here!

Re:Force this! (-1)

Anomymous_Spork (447035) | about 13 years ago | (#2460678)

Dear Rob,

We regret to inform you that slashcode [slashdot.org] is broken. [sourceforge.net]

Please take steps to correct this.

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Re:Force this! (-1)

Anomymous_Spork (447035) | about 13 years ago | (#2460724)

Rob,

Slashdot seems to be widening as we speak. Is there a problem?







I think it might be broken?

Re:Force this! (-1)

evil_spork (444038) | about 13 years ago | (#2460738)

Damn, it's hard to not bust out laughing in the middle of the class seeing Slashdot get fucked up like this.

Re:Force this! (-1)

LinuxIsForAssholes (527253) | about 13 years ago | (#2460646)

And it's for assholes!!!

Re:Force this! (-1)

LinuxIsForAssholes (527253) | about 13 years ago | (#2460660)

Troll the Planet!!!

Re:Force this! (-1)

evil_spork (444038) | about 13 years ago | (#2460651)

There's nothing like posting crap to Slashdot while the teacher is rambling on about overloading operators in c++ :)

Re:Force this! (-1)

Anomymous_Spork (447035) | about 13 years ago | (#2460642)

where the hell is GiZ to keep me entertained?

by the way, i piss on spork testicle, and mackga can lick my sack.



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Re:Force this! (-1)

Anomymous_Spork (447035) | about 13 years ago | (#2460625)

w00t

can we say "revival of the spork induced death of slashdot?"


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Re:Force this! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2460609)

Fuck up a page?
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Would
I
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Re:Force this! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2460633)

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Re:Force this! (-1)

TrollMan 5000 (454685) | about 13 years ago | (#2460597)

Absolutely. There's nothing like a little good old-fashioned page widening entertainment.

Hey...have you tried to sue /. under the DMCA for reverse-engineering your .sig?

Second Prost (-1)

Dead Fart Warrior (525970) | about 13 years ago | (#2460563)

Jon Katz &# 12371;&#12 356;
Sto andando dare dei calci all' asino di Jon Katz
Je vais donner un coup de pied l'âne de Jon Katz
Ich werde Esel Jon Katz treten
Jon Katz's
Eu estou indo retroceder o burro de Jon Katz
Jon Katz

Maybe he's joking? (1, Interesting)

sulli (195030) | about 13 years ago | (#2460564)

Just a thought.

Re:Maybe he's joking? (3, Insightful)

fobbman (131816) | about 13 years ago | (#2460595)

Or maybe considering his past comments on not wanting to come to America anymore due to DMCA fears, he's just doing it to spark more debate. You know, get all the /. folks up in arms about the DMCA again and how it's keeping free information from being free. That'd be my guess, but YMMV.

Re:Maybe he's joking? (1)

sulli (195030) | about 13 years ago | (#2460696)

Okay, so he's preaching to the choir, just like everyone on slashdot. How is he taking the argument to those whose opinions need to be changed, notably Congress? I don't think of Congress members reading Linux kernel changelogs!

um. (1)

Giant (78298) | about 13 years ago | (#2460567)

didnt he release 2.2.20-pre11, instead of -pre10?

You don't say? (1, Troll)

Lethyos (408045) | about 13 years ago | (#2460573)

"but it looks like he's being overzealous."

Alan Cox? Overzealous? Nah! I can't even imagine.

Predicted life of this post... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2460593)

i see this post getting modded up, people replying with flames, modded as overrated, modded up again, then modded into the ground as "troll".

Re:Predicted life of this post... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2460611)

where it will be forgotten... dying alone. in the rain.

Anal Cox? (-1, Offtopic)

anal-johnson (528597) | about 13 years ago | (#2460580)

Dildo Manipulation in Cum-filled Assholes

fa!

Re:Anal Cox? (-1)

LinuxIsForAssholes (527253) | about 13 years ago | (#2460677)

WTF? How is this offtopic?!? It is one's expression of feeling on DMCA. Suck it moderators!!!!

This might apply to Slashdot as well? (-1)

TrollMan 5000 (454685) | about 13 years ago | (#2460582)

It'd be great if people could read the threads here and try to figure out what is going on.

The overzealous part rings true as well.

Overzealous, eh? (5, Interesting)

Satai (111172) | about 13 years ago | (#2460585)

Hey, remember that time Felten wrote a paper and couldn't release it cuz it was a circumvention device?

Or that time I wanted to play DVDs in Linux and couldn't because I needed a circumvention device?

Or when some Russian dude got locked up away from his family because he wanted to let blind people use eBooks?

Overzealous my ass. This is a problem and we need to take a stand, whether it's "reasonable" or not. People need to understand what is at stake - and what better way to help that process than by showing them?

Re:Overzealous, eh? (2)

www.sorehands.com (142825) | about 13 years ago | (#2460640)

Hey, remember that time Felten wrote a paper and couldn't release it cuz it was a circumvention device?

Actually, he was threatened by the RIAA. They did not claim it was a circumvention device, but they only claimed it violated that anti-circuimvention provisions. Of course, when he filed suit against the RIAA, the RIAA realized they were trapped and fell on their sword.

Re:Overzealous, eh? (4, Interesting)

dschuetz (10924) | about 13 years ago | (#2460685)

Of course, when he filed suit against the RIAA, the RIAA realized they were trapped and fell on their sword.

They didn't fall on their sword, they threw it out of the picture and said "What sword?"

Which is the most chilling of all chilling effects -- they get to delay publication of information they're not happy with, then when someone calls their bluff they change their story and say they have no objections, and (according to the DOJ's interpretation), therefore, no prior restraint actually happened and you can't sue to prevent it from happening again.

You know, mid-term elections are happening in almost exactly a year. We all know that voter turnout sucks, especially for off years. What're the chance of a Slashdot party (hell, we're even Green) forming and fielding some geek candidates in key areas? I know my district has had the Republican incumbent running essentially unopposed for years. And we're home to Worldcom, AOL, and many other geek-heavy companies. Hell, these geek companies together probably employ as many people as voted in the entire district in '98, anyway.

Hm. Maybe I should repost this elsewhere...

Re:Overzealous, eh? (2)

supabeast! (84658) | about 13 years ago | (#2460725)

I'm not 100% sure what district you mean, but if you are referring to the northern-virginia/dulles corridor please email me (supabeast@supabeast.org) if you are serious.

Thefreeworld.net Re:Overzealous, eh? (5, Insightful)

Rik van Riel (4968) | about 13 years ago | (#2460680)

Indeed, the US outlawing something is one thing. That's their business, if it turns out to hurt them too much they can always revert the law. It's a democratic country, isn't it ?

OTOH, the US outlawing something shouldn't mean that all these good things are suddenly no longer available to the rest of the world. We need a place to publish the things which are outlawed in the US, without getting prosecuted for publishing these things to the US.

Such a site has been started (well, not quite, but we're busy getting it up and running) and we hope there will soon be a place to publish crypto research, security information and other useful tools which are not allowed in the US. The only small gotcha is that in order to publish it legally, some kind of access controll will have to be put in place so US citizens cannot get at the archive. Unfortunate, but so be it.

The site? http://thefreeworld.net/ [thefreeworld.net]

Re:Thefreeworld.net Re:Overzealous, eh? (4, Insightful)

larien (5608) | about 13 years ago | (#2460719)

You gotta love the irony of a site being called "The free world" excluding US, the so-called "land of the free".

As Bill Hicks said, "You are free... to do as we tell you". Right now, it seems that US "freedom" means the freedom to bribe (sorry, to fund...) senators et al to get your pet bills passed.

Is this an example of how the DCMA is (2, Interesting)

Lawmeister (201552) | about 13 years ago | (#2460586)

open source UNfriendly?

Kinda looks like that is Cox's interpretation.

Re:Is this an example of how the DCMA is (-1)

DivineOb (256115) | about 13 years ago | (#2460699)

anal cox

just making a point (5, Interesting)

lophophore (4087) | about 13 years ago | (#2460596)

It seems to me that Alan is just trying to make a point about how ridiculous the DMCA is in this case by taking this relatively extreme position how the DMCA throws a wet blanket onto legitimate security discussions.

US laws? (2, Interesting)

Ed Avis (5917) | about 13 years ago | (#2460600)

Last time I checked, Alan Cox didn't live in the US. And he has been vocal about not holding conferences in that country - because of what happened to the eBook fair use guy - so I imagine he's not intending to travel there either. Is he trying to establish a precedent that restrictive laws passed in one country apply worldwide?

Re:US laws? (1)

morcego (260031) | about 13 years ago | (#2460709)

Maybe he is trying to also protect the US members of the list. Just remember that as far as DMCA is concerned, nothing can be taken for sure. Maybe they will prossecute people for just receiving the information, even tho that is not the case YET.

he's just trying to "make a point" (5, Informative)

jlv (5619) | about 13 years ago | (#2460604)

Here's his key points in the thread (and the points that he was responding to)
> > 2.2.20pre11

> > o Security fixes
> > | Details censored in accordance with the US DMCA
>
> Care to elaborate?

On a list that reaches US citizens - no. File permissions and userids may
constitute and be used for rights management.

> Are you saying that we can't divulge security problems in our own software
> anymore for fear of being sued by affected parties?

Not even affected parties - the government can do it too without anyone else
and indeed even if their are contractual agreements between parties
permitting the data to be released..

I hope to have the security stuff up on a non US citizen accessible site in
time for 2.2.20 final

> Putting pressure on US people to have them influence their
> legislation? Aka. every people have the rulers they deserve? Won't work
> out.

"Until they become conscious they will never rebel, and until after
they have rebelled they cannot become conscious."

> Seriously, are you kidding?

The current interpretation of the DMCA is as lunatic as it sounds. With luck
the Sklyarov case will see that overturned on constitutional grounds. Until
then US citizens will have to guess about security issues.

> This would then presumably lead to password protected access for US kernel
> developers that need to know? And some kind of NDA?

US kernel developers cannot be told. Period.

> 'IANAL', and neither are you, are you sure this sillyness is necessary?

Its based directly on legal opinion.

I stopped reading at this point.

Re:he's just trying to "make a point" (2, Interesting)

Garfunkel (3569) | about 13 years ago | (#2460645)


> This would then presumably lead to password protected access for US kernel

> developers that need to know? And some kind of NDA?

US kernel developers cannot be told. Period.


Just curious... Is Linus considered a US kernel developer? He lives and works in the US, so I guess so...

Re:he's just trying to "make a point" (1)

jlv (5619) | about 13 years ago | (#2460712)

Ok, I read some more.
> Huh, US resident or US citizens?

> If US resident , does that mean we can't send security patches to Linus.
Now the site is hosed.

It doesn't matter, the thread goes on and on and on. If you really want to read it, find an alternate archive for linux-kernel. HINT: try google [google.com]

Classic Taco (-1)

Dead Fart Warrior (525970) | about 13 years ago | (#2460606)

Here's some classic Taco:
It'd be great if people could read the threads here and try to figure out what is going on

Doesn't know what the article pointed to means, but he'll post it!

Hidden messages (1)

MrFredBloggs (529276) | about 13 years ago | (#2460607)

"Unix-style permissions could be used as an anti-circumvention device"

Yeah..and if you list all the files, and use the file attribute flags on each file, 4 bits per file, you can clearly see it says "DEATH TO THE INFIDELS!"

What a jackass (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2460608)

He's only going to hurt Linux users wanting to see the changelog, the rest of the world couldn't care less. Maybe he should spend more time thinking about a little exercise, a shower, and some grooming tips rather than this bullshit.

Cox or cocks? (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2460616)

This sounds like the DMCA shoving 1000 cox in our mouths again. More power to cox!

w00t

too late (5, Funny)

jayhawk88 (160512) | about 13 years ago | (#2460619)

It'd be great if people could read the threads here and try to figure out what is going on.

Unfortunately, it looks like the site might already be hosed. How about if we just speculate wildly, make irrational calls-to-action that will never commence, throw in a few anti-government rants, and top it all off with a good old fashion linux/bsd flamewar?

You know, the usual.

Re:too late (1)

evilphish (128599) | about 13 years ago | (#2460728)

WHAT? no boycotts?

Windoze Sux (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2460743)

What you're proposing could never be carried out on a windows machine, and even if it could, what NT SysAdmin would have the brains to keep up with all of the patches?

I think that what Allan Cox needs to keep in mind -- what we all have to keep in mind -- is how to make sure Linux can compete with Windows. If that means wild speculation about the rants of some "IANAL's" interpretations of the law.... well, then, that's what we've got to do. As long as it helps ensure corporate acceptance of our software.

As for the BSD users... I won't even bother dignifying /them/ with a comment.

Oh, and I'm sure I'll get modded down... because the moderators are just glorified script kiddies who wouldn't understand my radical insight. Well, too bad!

Okay, I'm a dummy. (0, Redundant)

The Wing Lover (106357) | about 13 years ago | (#2460623)

2.2.20pre10 of what?

The link is slashdotted already, so I can't tell. It would really be useful if Slashdot editors didn't assume that "2.2.20pre10" meant something to every single one of their readers.

Re:Okay, I'm a dummy. (2)

Mr.Phil (128836) | about 13 years ago | (#2460641)

2.2.20pre10 is the 10th test release on the way to being the stable 2.2.20 release

Re:Okay, I'm a dummy. (1)

The Wing Lover (106357) | about 13 years ago | (#2460656)

release of what? What software?

Re:Okay, I'm a dummy. (1)

ananke (8417) | about 13 years ago | (#2460687)

linux kernel.

Re:Okay, I'm a dummy. (-1)

Genghis Troll (158585) | about 13 years ago | (#2460711)

CockMaster, software for the remote control of robotic dildos.

Re:Okay, I'm a dummy. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2460653)


the linux kernel, as alan cox works on it.

Re:Okay, I'm a dummy. (2)

Amazing Quantum Man (458715) | about 13 years ago | (#2460654)

OK, I'll bite.

Seeing as the link was to the Linux-Kernel mailing list, and Alan Cox is one of the keepers of the kernel, we're talking 2.2.20pre10 of the Linux kernel (possibly the ac fork?)

Re:Okay, I'm a dummy. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2460658)

If you know who Alan Cox is, then that will mean something to you. If not, you shouldn't give a damn.

Re:Okay, I'm a dummy. (1)

Lew Pitcher (68631) | about 13 years ago | (#2460663)

That's Linux (kernel) 2.2.20pre10

Alan is the maintainer of the 'backlevel' (2.2) Linux kernel. The last version of the 2.2 kernel was 2.2.19, and AC has been inching it towards 2.2.20 for several months now.

Re:Okay, I'm a dummy. (1)

stantron77 (466575) | about 13 years ago | (#2460669)

It is in reference to the linux kernel.

Re:Okay, I'm a dummy. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2460701)

That is the linux kernel version 2.2.20pre10. After they test it and fix the known bugs it will become 2.2.20.

Or, JUST MAYBE... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2460628)

"I'm a little lost, but it looks like he's being overzealous."


Or, JUST MAYBE, he's making a point?

People! He's Joking! (3, Insightful)

Phantasmagoria (1595) | about 13 years ago | (#2460632)

People. He's just using this humorous approach to show us how ridiculous the DMCA can be.

Using the Linux community as pawns (1, Flamebait)

sting3r (519844) | about 13 years ago | (#2460637)

I really hate to say this about a figure like Alan Cox, whose contributions to the Linux project have been undeniable. But it is obvious that he is using his public role (in the kernel and in usenix) to achieve a political end: namely, the repeal of the DMCA.

Alan needs to realize that, although the DMCA does have important and evil implications for the freedom to code and speak in the U.S., it would not be used against a legitimate programmer such as himself. The people who have been targeted by the DMCA have been crackers: people who defeat lame encryption schemes and distribute point-and-click software that allows the masses to pirate. Although I fully support 2600 and Dmitri in their efforts (I have been a security engineer and I appreciate the truly talented invididuals in the field), DeCSS and the PDF utility are simply not in the same class as the Linux kernel and the other software Cox has worked on. He is simply a non-target and he needs to stop pretending that the DMCA affects him.

-sting3r

Re:Using the Linux community as pawns (1)

Arcturax (454188) | about 13 years ago | (#2460664)

Thats what Skylarov and a lot of others thought. I think he is simply making a point of how Draconian the DMCA is. It's time to attack that law from every front, from legal to at this point, I think sit ins at the big media companies and even massive protests, prank phone calls and spit wads shot at Jack Valenti at press conferences.

Basically we need to prove to the American people how bad the DMCA is if we want it gone.

Re:Using the Linux community as pawns (1)

PBCODER (513561) | about 13 years ago | (#2460675)

Oh.. I see,, so he is a NonTarget to same way I am a NonTarget to the gangbangers coming down the street with their ozzies hanging out the windows of their caddy. As I don't wear a red bandana I should not be concerned. yes?

Re:Using the Linux community as pawns (2)

oddjob (58114) | about 13 years ago | (#2460684)

It is foolish to think that a law does not affect you simply because it has not yet been used against you. If it could be used against you, the threat is an effect in and of itself.

Re:Using the Linux community as pawns (2, Insightful)

alman (86957) | about 13 years ago | (#2460690)

What you seem to be forgetting is that the way the DMCA is written, they can *legally* go after him. The fact that they don't choose to is from my opinion just a matter of time.

Re:Using the Linux community as pawns (4, Insightful)

gorilla (36491) | about 13 years ago | (#2460692)

Is Dmitri not a legitimate programmer? I think he is. Dmtitri writes programs which are legal in his country. He has never written a program in the US which violates US law. What other test of legitimate is there?

Re:Using the Linux community as pawns (5, Funny)

debrain (29228) | about 13 years ago | (#2460694)

But it is obvious that he is using his public role (in the kernel and in usenix) to achieve a political end: namely, the repeal of the DMCA.


Funny, I thought he was obeying the law.

Political ends are may be a side effect of that, and indeed this has all the writings of a political snub, but it's nevertheless undeniable that he would be commiting criminal acts by not making this pointed omission.

Re:Using the Linux community as pawns (5, Insightful)

Kaa (21510) | about 13 years ago | (#2460695)

Alan needs to realize that, although the DMCA does have important and evil implications for the freedom to code and speak in the U.S., it would not be used against a legitimate programmer such as himself. The people who have been targeted by the DMCA have been crackers: people who defeat lame encryption schemes and distribute point-and-click software that allows the masses to pirate. Although I fully support 2600 and Dmitri in their efforts (I have been a security engineer and I appreciate the truly talented invididuals in the field), DeCSS and the PDF utility are simply not in the same class as the Linux kernel and the other software Cox has worked on. He is simply a non-target and he needs to stop pretending that the DMCA affects him.

First they came for the Communists,
and I didn't speak up,
because I wasn't a Communist.
Then they came for the Jews,
and I didn't speak up,
because I wasn't a Jew.
Then they came for the Catholics,
and I didn't speak up,
because I was a Protestant.
Then they came for me,
and by that time there was no one
left to speak up for me.

by Rev. Martin Niemoller, 1945

Re:Using the Linux community as pawns (-1)

DivineOb (256115) | about 13 years ago | (#2460741)

It never gets old! It never gets old! I tire of this!

Seriously... don't overuse cool poems like that because they nullify their impact and make you look like a jackass besides

Re:Using the Linux community as pawns (5, Insightful)

antientropic (447787) | about 13 years ago | (#2460698)

it would not be used against a legitimate programmer such as himself

While it is unlikely that Alan would be arrested for fixing security bugs in the Linux kernel, he is quite right in saying that under the letter of the law, he might be. Even if you merely can be arrested for such an activity, then the DMCA is a bad law and must be repealed, or at least modified very substantially. So Alan should be applauded for taking a stand, even if (or exactly because!) that inconveniences some people temporarily.

Re:Using the Linux community as pawns (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2460704)

[slashdot.org] Fuck you. [slashdot.org]

Re:Using the Linux community as pawns (0)

Evangelion (2145) | about 13 years ago | (#2460737)

Bahahahahahaha - you tried to fake out the lameness filter using fake <a> tags, eh?

You suck.

Although you do have a valid point - the original poster should go fuck himself.

Heh.

Re:Using the Linux community as pawns (1)

gosand (234100) | about 13 years ago | (#2460720)

You say that "it would not be used against a legitimate programmer...". Bottom line is, it COULD be. How can you say that it woulnd't be? The fact of the matter is, if there is a legal precedent set, it can be used for all kinds of "wrong" things that shouldn't be done.

Who is to say a certain large company, who apparantly is above the law, couldn't sue someone in the Linux community using the DMCA as their backbone?

Nahh, they wouldn't do that.

Would they?

Fight the Monopoly [cafepress.com] and the Evil DMCA [cafepress.com] ... more at Poundingsand.com [poundingsand.com]

Re:Using the Linux community as pawns (-1, Troll)

SumDeusExMachina (318037) | about 13 years ago | (#2460739)

The people who have been targeted by the DMCA have been crackers: people who defeat lame encryption schemes and distribute point-and-click software that allows the masses to pirate.

Absolutely. In fact, any doubt in my mind about the nature of DeCSS's programmers and users was erased when I saw the rapid appearance of point-and-click Windows programs that allowed, nay, encouraged the pirating of DVD movies. Certainly, my opinion is not helped by the fact that as soon as the DeCSS shit hit the fan, everyone on Slashdot was calling for everyone else to make as many pirate copies of DVDs as possible, in order to commit "civil disobedience" (a polite word for "stealing other people's shit").

He is simply a non-target and he needs to stop pretending that the DMCA affects him.

This is especially true since he isn't even a US citizen. In fact, I would wager to guess that this unhygenic fool is not only advocating the global application of US laws abroad, but only ends up hurting the people he's trying to serve in the first place. Why can't the socially inept stick with what they're good at, like accounting and programming?

Just in case you were wondering.... (1)

Desus (253573) | about 13 years ago | (#2460647)

For those of us who were wondering what the hell 2.2.20pre10 is, it's the Linux Kernel update. Of course, this being Slashdot, we automatically were supposed to know that, right guys ;) Not that I didn't know that of course *nudge nudge* wink Wink*

Microsoft (0, Offtopic)

JohnHegarty (453016) | about 13 years ago | (#2460649)

Can you imagine microsoft getting this sort of attitude with updates to windows? ... i think not...

Re:Microsoft (1)

mark_lybarger (199098) | about 13 years ago | (#2460730)

can you imagine m$ publishing release notes of what was actually changed for the release? now, imagine some geek being able to cross check those changes in the code? what a horid job that would be.

at any rate, i applaude Alan for the stance. The DMCA is a P.O.S put together to benefit the lobying dollars of the RIAA and MPAA, nothing more. i am MOST surprised it's taken sooo long for this law to be challenged appropriately in the courts. i guess since our judges are all worked out from trying to decide weather a dimple is a chad, or a vote is a vote, or even weather votes can or can't be re-counted.
aaahhh the american way :)

Actions Speak Louder (3, Insightful)

eAndroid (71215) | about 13 years ago | (#2460652)

We can't bomb the RIAA et al so we'll have to resort to other methods of getting attention to have the DMCA reviewed. We could write letters until we are blue in the face but that isn't working.

I'm not sure if Alan's actions will get the attention it needs but it is certainly a step in the right direction.

since the kernel patch is open source... (0)

Squeezer (132342) | about 13 years ago | (#2460666)

Why not just have a developer look at the code and then email the kernel-list with what sort of security fixes Alan Cox did.

Cox successful: Senator Fritz Hollings recants! (5, Funny)

hoggoth (414195) | about 13 years ago | (#2460671)

In related news today Senator Fritz Hollings [slashdot.org] , author of the SSSCA proposal, recanted stating:
"I just downloaded the latest 2.2.20pre10 and found censored changelogs! This will seriously impact my l33t hax0r activities. I finally see how my SSSSCA proposal will impact freedom. I am official withdrawing my proposal effective immeditely."

Apparently Alan Cox's plan to publicly demonstrate the absurdity of the DCMA and SSSCA in a place that would hit congress where it hurts has paid off.

Re:Cox successful: Senator Fritz Hollings recants! (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2460716)

Hilarious.

Does DMCA apply here? (3, Insightful)

guru_steve (205501) | about 13 years ago | (#2460672)

Correct me if i'm wrong, but doesn't the DMCA only apply in cases of devices meant to enforce copyright protection?

It does. (1)

schon (31600) | about 13 years ago | (#2460729)

doesn't the DMCA only apply in cases of devices meant to enforce copyright protection?

Yes, and file protections can do that.

I have a file called README.TXT I don't want anyone to copy - so I do chmod 0600 README.TXT

This effectively prevents anyone but me from reading or copying the file.

Looks like the info in the changelog might give someone an idea of how to circumvent this, so that means that the changelog would be in violation of the DMCA.

Re:Does DMCA apply here? (1)

kramerj (161379) | about 13 years ago | (#2460731)

But doesn't User ID's, Passwords, and File Permissions all hold a key component to copyright protection. ie, not allowing someone to copy/have access to files they should not have access to?

Jay

ummm... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2460703)

It's called "making a point."

or maybe... (1)

CrazyDwarf (529428) | about 13 years ago | (#2460714)

he's venting. I've done this at work when writing applications for stupid people who can't read the error message. I'll make dummy variables with their names on them. Like stupidAmy=110 or whatever.
And in his venting, i think he is also hoping to make a point. Most legislation regarding things like this is stupid, pointless, and a waste of energy.
The only thing I can say about policy makers like that is that they provide carbon dioxide for the plant life.

There's something I don't understand. (1)

dinotrac (18304) | about 13 years ago | (#2460727)

If Alan is trying to make a point, that's something I understand.

If he's actually concerned that what he's doing would put him in jeopardy because of the DMCA, is he releasing a version of the patch that doesn't contain the fixes?

After all, the code is what would break the law, not a description of what the code does.

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