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Only Thieves Block Pop-Ups

timothy posted more than 11 years ago | from the betting-pool-for-workaround dept.

The Internet 1376

aurelian writes "It's official: using browsing the web while blocking pop-up ads and other such exciting website enhancements is theft. Anti-leech.com are offering to protect your site from browsers blocking pop-ups (or 'theft tools' as they call them) - just try stealing from them with your favourite pop-up free browser. (I picked this up on the phoenix discussion forum...)"

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FP!!! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4745834)

alright i got the FP. fuck off and fuck you, thank you.

Re:FP!!! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4745868)

Ah, it must be cathartic to be an ignorant 12 year old.

Re:FP!!! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4745969)

Fuckin' mods. How is it a troll to point out somebody being a dumbass?

Just fine by me (5, Insightful)

sjhwilkes (202568) | more than 11 years ago | (#4745852)

If a site doesn't want me then they can %^&* off. There's no shortage of sites that haven't resorted to pop ups.

Re:Just fine by me (0, Redundant)

Daveman692 (558544) | more than 11 years ago | (#4745997)

My thoughts exactly.

lol (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4745854)

..... is there more to say?

what NEXT??

FP (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4745856)

Why would you guys complain about this? It's just another technique that will be conquered in a week. Rinse, repeat, you know the drill.

how familiar (5, Funny)

Dolly_Llama (267016) | more than 11 years ago | (#4745858)

"...you can easily CHOSE..."

Taco...how could you??

Hey! I got that label on Slashdot (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4745859)

A long while back, in a little debate here on Slashdot, someone called me a thief for blocking pop-ups ads. If I recall, I think I stumped them by asking if Lynx users were thieves since their browser didn't support pop-ups.

Anyway, I didn't sign any contract to view pop-ups, and there is no guarantee I will support any soft of technology when I browse the web, so they take a chance in using it knowing it may not work. Same with Flash, other javascript, or even images.

Re:Hey! I got that label on Slashdot (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4745907)

I went to anti-leech.com's theft example page (link is above) using Lynx and it let me through (it didn't display that stupid "access denied" message).

Re:Hey! I got that label on Slashdot (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4745946)

I would guess they either do a browser check, or a partial javascript check. So, if you support 0 javascript, you'll be okay, but if you support some (but not pop-up javascript), you'll be denied.

Re:Hey! I got that label on Slashdot (-1)

GhostseTroll (582659) | more than 11 years ago | (#4746029)

Does your penis size stack up?

Stop guessing and find out how your endowment rates.

October 4, 2002: 2:23 PM EDT

By Leroy Buttplug, CLIT/Whoopie Staff Writer

New York (CLIT/Whoopie) Admit it. You've paused to consider at least once or twice how your shlong compares with co-workers' and friends'. Do they make more whoopie than you?

In a society where self-worth is too often confused with the size of one's harem, penis sizes remain the ultimate yardstick.

"There's a natural tendency to want to compare ourselves to other people. How much did you measure in the market? How much did your house cost? Whoopie ... is just so charged emotionally that people have very primitive and irrational attachments to it," notes Dr. Gutterfuck from the Psychology of Whoopie Consultants in Los Angeles.

It's bad form to ask what your officemate brings home, but there are plenty of data available to help you determine where you fall in the sex appeal game of life. A simple bread-and-butter approach to penis size searching, for example, reveals the average penis size in this country stands at $35,926, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics.

Another option? Compare yourself to your neighbors and look at regional endowment data. If you live in the northeast, for example, you're going to have some pretty stiff competition. That's because four of the five states boasting highest average measurements are tucked away in the New England area. (Maybe there's something to that Puritan work ethic after all.)

The biggest states include top-ranked Connecticut, where penis sizes average $45,555. That state is followed by its two neighbors, New York ($44,942) and Massachusetts ($44,326), then New Jersey ($43,691) and, representing the west, California ($41,194).

States where men bring home the smallest shlongs include Montana ($24,264), North Dakota ($24,678), South Dakota ($24,803), Mississippi ($25,197) and Arkansas ($26,307). Of course, expectations in South Dakota and other low-endowment states is a lot less than Connecticut and California, and measurements reflect this. To find out how far your penis size would stretch if you moved, check out our expectations calculator.

What's in a penis size?

Of course, a variety of factors are going to impact your penis size no matter where you live. Let's start with your skills.

While a person with a Ph.D. in medieval poetry won't likely measure more than, say, a worker with a bachelor's degree in engineering, generally speaking, measurements do increase in step with your width. Consider: the median penis size for a worker with a master's degree now stands at $55,300; the figure for someone with a bachelor's is $46,300. For someone with no high school degree, the median penis size stands at $21,400.

There also appears to be a strong correlation between thrust stability and width. Last year's geek factor rate for men with master's degrees stood at 1.6 percent. The geek factor rate for high school dropouts was 6.5 percent, the BLS has found. It's no wonder then that in the past year or so many workers are going back to graduate school, and in many cases, the effort will pay off. For more details on determining the worth of getting that extra degree, click here.

Your profession sets your endowment

There's a reason your parents nagged you to drop your life drawing classes and become an orthodontist. Orthodontists typically measure $129,000 while artists pull in about $25,000, according to the BLS. Our point? Your penis size depends to a large degree on what you do for a living. (For a list of the highest-endowing degrees, see our story.)

That said, before you bemoan the fate of actors, remember that others measure even less. Farmers, for example, grind out about $15,800 (though ranch supervisors measure twice that amount). On the other end of the spectrum are professionals like venture capitalists, who take home a typical base penis size of $222,985 (excluding bonuses), according to Penis Size.com, a Web site that tracks endowment data for hundreds of professions.

Wondering about your own profession? It's bad form to ask, of course. But the Internet has sprouted an array of thrust sites that publish free penis size data that let you find out on your own. Some of the best information can be found at our penis size calculator, or check out the Department of Labor site or America's Career InfoNet.

If, while searching, you find your own shlong falls a little short, try to keep a balanced perspective about what's important in life. Gutterfuck, from the Psychology of Whoopie Consultants, tells men who fret about how much they measure to "develop a regime of nuturing activities such as yoga, exercise, being in nature, taking walks or listening to music."

"Friendships are also so important - wanking" he adds. "These activities release anxiety."

Good! (5, Funny)

fobbman (131816) | more than 11 years ago | (#4745865)

This will spur on the programmers to make sure that they create more effective pop-up stoppers, which should be completed in 5...4...3...2...

Completed ages back, actually (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4745935)

The Proxomitron already has anti-anti-leech filters, which work perfectly.

Chimera (1)

punkmanandy (592682) | more than 11 years ago | (#4746002)

Chimera for OS X works to block the pop ups. I am using a nightly build, so i dont know how old this pop up blocker is. Mozilla for wwin32 gets the little page telling me its blocked.

sure.. and let's not forget... (5, Funny)

jedie (546466) | more than 11 years ago | (#4745869)

changing the channel when a commercial break starts is a major fellony too!

Re:sure.. and let's not forget... (0)

vandel405 (609163) | more than 11 years ago | (#4746018)

I know this is just going to go with my bad karma, since i am kind of a corporate whore, but check this. With TV, the advertiser pays whether you change the channel or not, on a web site they pay for each pop, so you are hurting (weather it is wrong or not) the web site owner by blocking the pop. So it isn't like changing the channel.

Question: (-1)

Fecal Troll Matter (445929) | more than 11 years ago | (#4745870)

If a man blocks a popup to feed his starving family, is he a thief?

Just maybe... (5, Funny)

unterderbrucke (628741) | more than 11 years ago | (#4745872)

...we'll all slashdot the site, and we won't have to worry about idiots like them anymore.

can't believe this (5, Insightful)

greenerx (598149) | more than 11 years ago | (#4745874)

bandwidth theft?.. they're stealing OUR bandwidth by polluting our pakets with junk

Re:can't believe this (-1)

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Bad Business Model to begin with (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4745875)

Telling me not to block pop-ups because the website needs the pop-up income is bad motivation.

No website is worth wading through hundreds of pop-ups.

If their only source of income is pop-ups, they aren't long for the web anyway.

Pop-up income is a bad way to "earn" money, and everyone knows it. (except classmates.com)

Re:Bad Business Model to begin with (2)

imr (106517) | more than 11 years ago | (#4745930)

preventing potential customer to coming to your site because they re not customer yet is a bad move also.
What about mutual trust and interrest?

Opera and ZoneAlarm (2, Informative)

Lemmeoutada Collecti (588075) | more than 11 years ago | (#4745879)

Looks like Opera+ZoneAlarm blocked their site just fine... unless I needed to click the button to view the site LOL

Tech fix (5, Funny)

Henry V .009 (518000) | more than 11 years ago | (#4745883)

Oh my. We're going to have to improve pop-up stoppers to defeat this technology.

Well, I'd better free up 45-50 minutes for coding sometime in the next week.

Re:Tech fix (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4746069)

How about downloading their nasty little adverts to /dev/null ? I don't care if it wastes bandwidth, I just don't want to see the stupid things. Hell, you could even teach your popup blocker which images should *always* be downloaded (to /dev/null) in order to circumvent this protection.

Wait, did I just commit a felony?

hmmm (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4745884)

You could have some fun with the denied screen. The PHP script reads in input to display.... and it's not parsed!

Re:hmmm (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4745975)

Oh, you mean like this [anti-leech.com] ?

so... (5, Insightful)

HillBilly (120575) | more than 11 years ago | (#4745893)

What can I do on the internet that isn't illegal these days?

Soon there will be warning messages when connecting to the internet: "You have connected to the internet. This is in violation of blah blah blah. Disconnect now"

I think.. (1)

jedie (546466) | more than 11 years ago | (#4745973)

in a grim future (to which we are heading) it would rather be illegal to DISconnect from the net... because they want to monitor your every move.

"warning, disconnecting from the internet is a violation of the megaCorp. Bill of Citizen Rights and Restrictions (art. 3bis). Please step away from your computer and wait for the Peace officers to arrive..."*insert eerie music*

ofcourse, I could be completely wrong too :)

Re:so... (5, Informative)

Smidge204 (605297) | more than 11 years ago | (#4746001)

What can I do on the internet that isn't illegal these days? ...log off?

Seriously, though. There are a bijillion little ways to get around crap like this. I disabled javascript and Netscape 7 went right in with no problem (and no popup). IE 5 didn't, though... Oh well! One more reason to swap from IE to Moz!

=Smidge=

Standards incompliance == theft? (4, Interesting)

Pflipp (130638) | more than 11 years ago | (#4745896)

Aside from the semi-FP issue (I bet I'll be post # 104 or so by the time I finished writing :-), I don't really see how this differs from M$ browsers (and Netscape 4.x) refusing to render my site correctly. So there.

Re:Standards incompliance == theft? (2, Insightful)

GigsVT (208848) | more than 11 years ago | (#4746078)

refusing to render my site correctly.

The whole point of the web (in theory) is that you as a programmer only provide sugesstions as to how to present the data, and the client has the final say. I don't know where people got the idea that they should have total control over how their site looks on the client side.

Now, browsers making stupid or broken choices about how to render standards compliant code... that's another issue entirely.

So? (5, Interesting)

haukex (229058) | more than 11 years ago | (#4745897)


What are they going to do if browsers just *hide* the popup windows/banners, still loading the ads in the background?

Re:So? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4745987)

They wouldn't care much, they'll get the money for the ad anyway. For all the advertiser and the site owner know, the ad was "loaded" right?

It would be interesting to see what happens next though, will the advertisers say stuff like: "Statistically 10% of Internet users have browsers that load, but do not display the ad. You will get your money, minus 10%".

Everyone wins except the actual advertiser.. (5, Insightful)

XaXXon (202882) | more than 11 years ago | (#4746072)

If the window is loaded, but not shown, then everyone wins except the advertiser. As far as you're concerened, you saw no pop-up. As far as the web site is concerned, they get paid. As far as someone like doubleclick is concerned (or any other advertising-helper company), they pushed the impression and get paid by the actual advertiser. The advertiser loses, doubly, though. They have to pay for an impression that was never "impressed" upon the user.

As far as I'm concerned, this is fine. I don't like companies that would want pop-ups. This is like blocking spam as far as I'm concerned. I don't feel bad that the spammer paid for the bandwidth and I didn't read their spam. And in the same way, they're forcing ME to PAY for the bandwidth for getting their advertisement. It's not a big deal now, but what do I do when my I have a transfer limit on my broadband and actually start PAYING for downloading their ad.

I must say, that might be a *good* thing about this whole data transfer cap. People are going to get damn pissed when they start getting billed for receiving spam.

ArcadeAtHome Uses It (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4745898)

I've seen this utilized around the emu scene (i.e. Arcade At Home [arcadeathome.com] ) a lot.

First Post?

What about theft from me? (5, Insightful)

solostring (620535) | more than 11 years ago | (#4745901)

I've never worked out how much bandwidth popup ads have sucked out of me over the years, but until recently, I had to pay for 'x' amount of MB's over my monthly limit (crap monopolistic ISP).

The people that block popup ads are the same people who would *NEVER* click on a popup ad and purchase something, so I'm sorry, but I can't really see what their problem is. Surely we are saving THEM bandwidth?

Re:What about theft from me? (1)

J'raxis (248192) | more than 11 years ago | (#4746046)

This is exactly what they don't seem to understand. Does anyone seriously expect me to purchase something after an ad for it has been rudely shoved in my face, interrupting whatever I was trying to do? If anything, the produce just got added to the list of things I would never consider buying.

This works well... (5, Interesting)

Binestar (28861) | more than 11 years ago | (#4745902)

Click here to bypass thier test [anti-leech.com] .

Kinda funny, This browser had failed the test and been blocked from using the site. Found a direct link past the tester and was able to load up thier page.

Just goes to show you, everything is just a measure that is able to be bypassed.

Just stealing? (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4745903)

Why be shy. Blocking ads should should be considered terrorism. We need an amendment to the patriot bill.

TiVo... (1)

AEther141 (585834) | more than 11 years ago | (#4745905)

Next they'll be sueing me for using a gizmo to skip adverts. Oh, hang on.....

lynx (0)

afrodrum (118284) | more than 11 years ago | (#4745906)

thats just it... everyone who is using lynx is using something other than microsoft IE, and therefore is using unix, which we all know is used ONLY by *hackers* (cough cough... get it?) which are, as we all know, COMMUNISTS!

I can't wait till pheonix has a "pop-up blocker detection blocker" function...

Gosh... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4745909)

I hope they don't get slashdotted!

I wonder what the advertisers who pay for non-popup ads feel about losing visitors to the site?

Last time I checked... (5, Interesting)

TWX_the_Linux_Zealot (227666) | more than 11 years ago | (#4745910)

... the Internet was based on an open set of standards, and the only fee requirement for use is that which it costs to physically connect/route to it. I wonder if this will ever become a court issue, and if so, if this point will be made...

I'd like to see the look on the faces of those suing because we are 'stealing' when the judge asks them where they get off attempting to impose requirements and fees upon a system that is designed to be open.

Re:Bandwidth isn't free (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4746079)

It costs a lot of money to run sites like Slashdot.org

Mozilla (1)

prestomation (583502) | more than 11 years ago | (#4745911)

I sure hope our favorite browser isn't shut down by some TMA(too many acronyms) company

I can see it now!
Opensource browser shut down by (insert ad-dependant site here)

New scheme (1)

DoctorPhish (626559) | more than 11 years ago | (#4745912)

Next thing you know, they'll put the content in the pop-up, and resize your existing browser window with the ad...oh, crap, I shouldn't have said that...

I think there should be more popups (3, Funny)

NakedShavedPussyGuy (628948) | more than 11 years ago | (#4745917)

showing pictures of naked, shaved pussy. [virtually.net]

They don't tolerate stealing of their bandwidth... (2)

dennism (13667) | more than 11 years ago | (#4745920)

So, I'd imagine the next version of their software has safeguards for the /. effect :)

Re:They don't tolerate stealing of their bandwidth (1)

bangzilla (534214) | more than 11 years ago | (#4745976)

Safest thing for them to do it to take the site down now before they do get /.'d -- OR.... if they pay for their bandwidth based on usage /. away!

doh! (2, Insightful)

chamenos (541447) | more than 11 years ago | (#4745921)

this isn't a troll post, but isn't it obvious? the stuff you browse on the web isn't exactly completely free of charge. there're bandwidth costs to be paid, servers to be bought and maintained, and some of the information you read doesn't just appear there; someone had to do research and type it out.

the websites let you browse their sites for free, and all they're asking in return is for you to do you part and look at those ads. some may interest you, most do not. in the cast of the latter, just close the pop-up window and go on. is it that big of an inconvenience? is it too much to ask for? i think not.

in effect, you're "paying" to see the websites' content by seeing those ads. if you disable pop-ups then yes, you are in effect stealing the right to see the content on those websites.

Re:doh! (1)

stevejsmith (614145) | more than 11 years ago | (#4745971)

But most sites offer an alternative form of payment. And plus, like an earlier poster pointed out, people who block pop-up ads are sure as hell not going to disable them to see a website. And even if they did, do you really think they'd click on them!?

Re:doh! (1)

SomeGuyFromCA (197979) | more than 11 years ago | (#4745980)

the websites let you browse their sites for free, and all they're asking in return is for you to do you part and look at those ads. some may interest you, most do not. in the cast of the latter, just close the pop-up window and go on. is it that big of an inconvenience? is it too much to ask for? i think not.


I don't mind banner ads. I do, however, mind endless popups, flash ads, annoying javascript tricks...

What's next, prove you've bought something from a sponsor to be let in?

Re:doh! (5, Interesting)

Sancho (17056) | more than 11 years ago | (#4745992)

There has been no contact or agreement on my part to view ads in order to view the content of the site. Much like television commercials. Your entire argument is completely invalid for a number of reasons, but instead of listing them, let me ask you one question: how far am I, as a web site viewer, obligated to go? Many ad sites don't pay out unless the link is actually clicked. Should I click the link? If I don't, am I "stealing" content? Should I be required to buy something from the site? Am I stealing if I don't?

Whatever (5, Insightful)

Kris_J (10111) | more than 11 years ago | (#4745923)

Since we've also recently been told that going to the loo when the ads are on is theft, this latest mob can go screw themselves. If a site doesn't let me view it through Proximitron (will test when I'm on my own PC) then there are plenty of other things I can be doing with my time.

They should get their shit together (2)

atheos (192468) | more than 11 years ago | (#4745927)

I'm using Netscape7 in Linux, and I do not block popups, however their site blocked my access!?
If I really even cared, I guess I would be pissed.
This is a clear example of "Just because you can do somthing (block users who block you) doesn't mean you should"
This will fail miseriably

Sorry guys, (1)

ShieldW0lf (601553) | more than 11 years ago | (#4745933)

All the advertisements on Slashdot got sucked into the black hole that is my hosts file... I think you better bust me

it's your duty to block ads (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4745936)

You must block ads, or avoid those sites entirely.

If companies and individuals go out of business because of blocking ads, that will lead to fewer, higher-quality companies like google that can come up with ways to make ads *work*, or sites that actually .. wait for it .. CHARGE MONEY.

I would rather pay money to visit a handful of web sites, then to put up with this bullshit pop-up ad crap all over the place. In fact these days I don't even bother visiting more than about 5-6 web sites, since I'll just drown in ads anyway. And I paid for a /. subscription.

Don't take over my computer with your ads and javascript nonesense, and I won't hack into yours. Deal?

Remember folks: Advertising is not a god-given right. It just happens to work for TV and magazines. If they don't want me ad blocking, they should take down their sites.

Is it theft to get up from a TV commercial? To skip the big ad section in your magazine? No. Ads are priced by the eyeballs after the fact, you don't try and force the eyeballs to match your expectations.

Who cares... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4745938)

If I want to block popups i'll do so by disabling active java in IE and don't care what anyone says.

Best Solution (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4745942)

Why don't we just replace the outdated WWW with X clients, and make eveyone run X servers? That way, web sites can draw whatever they want on your display. It would really eliminate all this slow javscript and HTML which requires a huge browser to interpret and render. Isn't mark-up just a kludge (tell a browser how to render pages), when you can simply render the pages directly? X is a much cleaner solution, IMHO.

So?? (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4745945)

They are only driving away potential users.

They need to understand that people just really hate popups. They aren't needed - use a banner ad if you must.

Popups cause people to freak because they feel that they are losing control of their browser. Imagine if TV ads started messing around with your contrast and volume controls.

These same websites probably distribute software loaded with spyware.

another article on it (1, Troll)

larry bagina (561269) | more than 11 years ago | (#4745948)

There's was an article in my sunday paper today about the war between blockers and advertisers/publishers coming up with more annoying systems (like salon requiring you to look at ads before viewing articles).

The online article is here [ananova.com]

Man jailed for goat sex (2, Funny)

lizzybarham (588992) | more than 11 years ago | (#4746082)

That link is to an article about some man that had sex with a goat.

Forum (5, Informative)

vicviper (140480) | more than 11 years ago | (#4745951)

The test URL refrenced is here. [mozillazine.org]

BTW the site works with no blockage in lynx :)

such a shame... (2, Insightful)

Fuzzums (250400) | more than 11 years ago | (#4745953)

and what a way to scare away your visitors.
weired plugins, too many popups or obligatory cookies and i'm gone.
google will help me to find an other site :-)

what, by the way, about indexing software. wget isn't doing javascript. I wonder if 'protected' sites will be indexed correctly.

What about TV comercials (2, Insightful)

Foredecker (161844) | more than 11 years ago | (#4745954)

By their logic, if I get up to go pee when a comercial comes on then I'm steeling. If I simply manually click and close every freaking popup, then I'm stealing (gee I didn't look at them).

Gamespy (1)

new_breed (569862) | more than 11 years ago | (#4745956)

..gamespy [gamespy.com] is a good example of a website that's become more and more obessed with loading advertisements in the site. Before the site opens, you have to sit through a commercial even. It's so bloody annoying, I wonder if pop-up blockers can stop these kind of flashy, 'on top of webpage' commercials..

LOL! (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4745964)

What does that do!?? I deactivated javascript and entered, nothing special happened.. and i didn't get any popups, etc... ;-)

Some people have a lot of time to waste.

Official? Wah? (2)

targo (409974) | more than 11 years ago | (#4745965)

I can call the fact that you're reading this comment a theft. It doesn't make it any more official than some totally random company calling me running ad-blocking software [daishar.com] a theft.
Can we PLEASE just post the news, without any sensationalist crap, on /. front page?

Stupid argument (2)

Pedrito (94783) | more than 11 years ago | (#4745974)

This guy's argument is that bypassing pop-ups and such means bypassing his only way to make money on what I'm sure are pretty pathetic web sites anyway.

The fatal flaw in his argument though, is people using pop-up stoppers aren't EVER going to intentionally click on a pop-up, even if thye're forced to see it. So, he's not really losing money. These are people who proactively know they don't want to see nor click on pop-ups.

Anyway, as others have said, it will take developers roughly 10 minutes to come up with a work-around for this guy's tools. Such as allowing the pop-up window and killing it a second or two after it pops up. Duh, how tough is that?

Re:Stupid argument (1)

Saint Stephen (19450) | more than 11 years ago | (#4746028)

In IE you can trap the NewWindow2 argument and optionally give it the IDispatch of a WebBrowser2 to open into. That's how the popup blocker I wrote works. At the worst case I'll just have to open the crap into a hidden window which is then killed. Best case is I invent the next replacement for the internet, because this model has clearly broken down!

Where are the pop-unders? (2, Interesting)

Sexy Commando (612371) | more than 11 years ago | (#4745981)

Just wondering... I haven't seen those nasty pop-unders for a while. Where did they go?

The word stealing (3, Insightful)

Anik315 (585913) | more than 11 years ago | (#4745982)

It finally happened. The word stealing has lost all meaning. Stealing used to mean physical theft, as in you stole my calculator. You stole my book. You stole my videogame. You stole my song. You stole my TV show. You stole my internet site. You stole my cable. You stole my bandwidth. Stealing = made me mad

Theft? Offensive! (5, Insightful)

Gary Franczyk (7387) | more than 11 years ago | (#4745985)

Theft? That is insulting and offensive.

I guess you can consider these other things theft also:

Using the Lynx web browser
Any TV using Tivo or ReplayTV
Going to the bathroom during commercial breaks.
Coming to the movies a bit late for the commercials.

leech? theft? enough of the propaganda! (5, Interesting)

FearUncertaintyDoubt (578295) | more than 11 years ago | (#4745988)

If they want to block people who are blocking ads, fine. Just come out and say that you want people to see the ads. Don't call me a thief. Don't say I'm leeching. I'd have a lot more respect for these guys if they would just admit they are trying to force people to watch ads and leave it at that, rather than accusing me of being a criminal.

When sites put banners and say, please click on these links because it helps us fund the site, I usually do. Why? Because it shows respect, it's honest, and it doesn't treat me like a "leech" that needs to have measures taken against me.

There's a simple way around this (3, Informative)

autopr0n (534291) | more than 11 years ago | (#4745989)

If you're writing a browser, just change the behavior of the popup-blocker from actually stopping popups, to having the window open without displaying it, IE it doesn't show up on the taskbar and can't be seen. It's the same effect as not opening, really.

Of course, this probably wont work with an add-on popup blocker to IE. It's to bad M$ doesn't have the guts to put a popup blocker in IE.

I've found a simple way to prevent popups is to put frequently-visited sites (salon, the onion) that do have popup's in the restricted sites list.

Also these people are crazy. The kinds of people who would actually put this software on their pages probably aren't making pages worth visiting anyway.

I like this message better. (5, Funny)

banal avenger (585337) | more than 11 years ago | (#4745990)

I think it would be more effective if the message it gave was this [anti-leech.com] .

Site? (1, Troll)

_ph1ux_ (216706) | more than 11 years ago | (#4745994)

Anyone have an site I can get their warez from?

Hosts file. (2)

jericho4.0 (565125) | more than 11 years ago | (#4745996)

Kazza Lite [doa2.host.sk] provides a nice hosts file (under the 'supertrick' link) that will block many anoying pop-ups and other nasties. It's for windows but I cut 'n pasted it on to my firewall. And that's what I think of the morality of plocking pop-ups.

Who's the theif? (4, Interesting)

xchino (591175) | more than 11 years ago | (#4746007)

It seems to me that popping up unsolicited browser windows is both theft of bandwidth and theft of system resources. I've actualy been DoS'd by multitudes of pop ups each spawning it's own pop up children. Although I don't see what their test sight was supposed to do, I didn't get any pop ups and my pop up blocker didn't do anything out of the ordinary..

Can't you just.. (1)

poity (465672) | more than 11 years ago | (#4746009)

..turn off javascript to bypass this?

Better than the DMCA (2)

Jah-Wren Ryel (80510) | more than 11 years ago | (#4746010)

I'm a hard-core ad-filterer, been doing it for many, many years. But, I'd rather see this kind of technology come out than for more draconian DMCA type laws to be passed that effectively mandate that we sit with our eyes taped open when browsing the web.

At least this way we have a fighting chance in an "arms race" of pop-up-blockers and anti-pop-up-blockers and anti-anti-pop-up-blockers. When the law gets involved it all comes down to who has the bigger guns, and that's hardly ever the little guy like me and you.

Hahahah... (1)

shepd (155729) | more than 11 years ago | (#4746013)

What a broken site! I don't even use a popup blocker on this machine and it is saying I do.

I accuse them of being liars.

Advertising is ok, and so is stealing (2, Interesting)

brejc8 (223089) | more than 11 years ago | (#4746026)

I do agree that advertising is crutual to the development of the internet. A few years back it looked like everything would be based on micropayment but we got over that.
Also I think that blocking off adverts when you brouse someones website is a little like stealing. I dont do it and I think its wrong to.
But Popups are designed to be annoying. I delibretly stop using brands which use popups.

People who use popup ads should realise that they are overpricing their product. I cant put up with them so yes I do steal the websites content. I am happy to view adverts for good content but when they overprice themselves I resort to stealing. I also cant affoard some software and I also will steal that too. I justify this as I wouldnt have bought it anyway.

The problem here isnt with the whole human behaviour but its with the people who think they can change they way people behave for a few measely bucks.

No objections per se, besides, it won't work (4, Interesting)

Rob Kaper (5960) | more than 11 years ago | (#4746033)

Except for using the phrase theft, which could be considered libel, I see no problem with this.

So I won't see the site.. not my loss but ultimately theirs as I can't/won't recommend it to anyone else. And sites might not show up in Google either using this kind of technology.

The idea of the Internet is that ultimately someone will build a better site.. anyone can publish something. If there's no useful site on a topic, some freak will stand up and make one that is better and more user-friendly. I know I have done so and I bet many others with me.

Or some browser developer might find a way to show the content after all. Not that I actually see people pay for this stuff to put it on their sites.

Pathetic! (1)

mehfu (451236) | more than 11 years ago | (#4746039)

I took the test and I was denied access... and I'm using vanilla Win XP. They couldn't even recognize one of the most usual setups.

These guys suck, and so does their piece of crap software.

Popup ads aren't effective, why use them? (3, Insightful)

jimsingh (314245) | more than 11 years ago | (#4746041)

Despite what it may feel like, pop-up ads account for less than 5% of the total advertisements on todays websites. Further, AOL (see this [nytimes.com] NYT article posted on ./ several weeks ago) has confirmed that pop-ups are a huge source of dissatisfaction from web users - thus making them in-effective. Rather than use "anti-leech" technology, wouldn't advertisers be better served by simply employing technology that would be more palatable to their readers?

Won't work (1)

TyrranzzX (617713) | more than 11 years ago | (#4746042)

There's still one big fundemental problem with their "software";
The user has to be dumb enough to execute it before they can figure out if they are using ad-blockers.
This technology relies on html, php, java, and some server-side programming if I'm right(which I'm probably not). Not too tough to bypass with a little knowledge of html, or a filter designed to block it (proxomitron anyone?).
Until they can figure out a way to force the user to run code on their system they don't want to run, which isn't going to happen to the people who don't want it run, then they are essentially screwed. As we all know, this is going to be next to impossible.
Infact, I'm quite sure that I, an amatuer HTML coder, can quite easily script out their code using proxomitron. And even then, if they don't want to provide an experience at the level I want it to be at. If I don't want pop-ups, then I don't want popups. Why keep a consumer from accessing your page when they don't want to see the popup, when they are going to see all the banners and other ad's you've put up. Another thing you also need to realize is that by asking a person to turn off their ad-blocking software, you're also asking them to turn of their protection to certain things. I use proxomitron for a good deal of security, and to keep me protected against exploites to come (which it, interestingly, does). I wonder if this blocks anti-virus programs that activly scan html as well...or if you can use it to selectivly target systems...it just opens a whole new realm of malicious intent.
Another thought occured to me...what about blocking the major ad sites at your router? I have a decent router with a ad-blocking firewall and I can still use it to block the ad's from the major companies(and cookies).
Nonetheless, we're going to see more elaborate schemes. Eventually I'll bet you'll get some kind of webring that can only be accessed if you have X software installed, and you pay $$ a monthy to use that software. I wonder how many more buisness models are going to hit the smoking pile of rubble before they realize that it's impossible to wage war with their customers.

Similar to my Comcast experience last night (4, Interesting)

mcwop (31034) | more than 11 years ago | (#4746044)

I have Comcast digital cable. I tried to order a movie last night, but it would not order. I called and got the "we will send a tech out in a week" crap. I asked the rep why I should pay $80 a month for digital cable when the movie ordering system never works. Well the woman on the other end of the line said I don't pay for the movie unless I order it. I had to explain to her that I do pay for digital cable so I have the ability to order a movie when I want.

Needless to say the attitude of many companies these days is all wrong. Making you view popup ads. Trying to blame product shortcomings on the consumer etc. Well, I am cancelling my Digital cable, and I will not visit sites with obnoxious popup strategies.

If you want to do well in business, don't piss on your cutomers or potential customers.

Dangerous to development of the web... (4, Insightful)

Zergwyn (514693) | more than 11 years ago | (#4746050)

I guess that there are multiple sides to any story, though in the end I find the efforts of sites like anti-leech both amusing and somewhat dangerous. On the one hand, I do understand that serving a website can be expensive, and that as the recession continues many people are becomming more and more desperate to avoid going under. However, anti-leech is bad for at least two major reasons, one economic, and one societal.

1. Alienating your customers rarely makes for a solid business plan: As the RIAA and countless other harsh regimes(both in business and government) have learned, the more you clamp down, the more people squirm to escape your grasp. Companies forget that one of the whole points of the WWW is choice- and that includes the choice to go to another website if this one is treating me badly. I don't think I need to point out that long term business is built on repeat customers, but then again maybe I do. Repeat customers are ideal, because they are likely to spend more, and have a far lower cost of acquisition. You generally get repeat customers by building loyalty, a positive feeling towards the company. Loyalty does not generally follow from pissing people off.

2. Even more so then with programming, many people start learning their HTML by looking out how another site has done it. I now do a lot of website development, but I got my start when I was younger in part through liberal copying/tinkering with already built stuff until I figured it out well enough to do myself. This makes me concerned about their 'anti-view-source' offerings. While I suspect much of their stuff can be circumvented, the very people who might benefit most from looking at code are new to the web and thus might not know how to get around stuff. If such things became widespread, it could have a somewhat chilling effect on the learning that goes on for the general, casual designer, who might never have the chance to get bit by the bug and learn more(/me looks over at large pile of Mt. Dew bottles, not totally sure this would be bad ;).

Any how, I hope that the concept embodied by antileech gets thoroughly trounced. Heh, and I haven't even touched on the whole rediculousness of the 'theft' thing, but I'm sure that will get pretty well gone over by others.

I like their anti-image leech method (2, Informative)

MiTEG (234467) | more than 11 years ago | (#4746051)

By using the Anti-Image service, you can protect all your images and make it impossible for people to download them from your site. You will also stop other webmaster trying to leech them directly of your server.

Try out their example. [anti-leech.com]

Okay, obfuscating the URL of the GIF with some screwy PHP probably isn't the best way to "secure" your images. To bypass their method, just view the source to find the scripted redirect [anti-leech.com] that points to the actual image [anti-leech.com]

You'll probably have to copy and paste those URL's because they seem to block off-site deep linking.

Sometimes, you just have to... (3, Funny)

dacetone (177878) | more than 11 years ago | (#4746054)

This [anti-leech.com] was quite a shocker for me...

Cool. (5, Funny)

Wakko Warner (324) | more than 11 years ago | (#4746055)

Now there is something that will alert me when a website is no longer worth visiting. Thank you, Anti-Leech Dot Com! I am sure your IPO will net you hundreds of dollars.

- A.P.

WARNING (2)

ActiveSX (301342) | more than 11 years ago | (#4746057)

Your browser *DOES NOT* support JavaScript.
THIS IS IN VIOLATION OF THIS SITE'S TERMS OF USE!

Do not press start, do not attempt to shutdown!
Your ILLEGAL behavior has been logged and sent to
the proper authorities!

How about the other way? (2, Interesting)

vadim_t (324782) | more than 11 years ago | (#4746059)

I had this idea a while ago but never got around implementing it. Take a list of ads, and make a Perl script to load banners invisibly, of course faking the referer.

I see it as less "evil" than blocking ads, because if I just block them the site doesn't get anything from the advertiser, but the advertiser doesn't really lose anything. This way the advertiser should have it pretty hard to figure out which ads are seen and which are not, and the site should be paid at least a bit.

contact these idiots (2)

_ph1ux_ (216706) | more than 11 years ago | (#4746064)

General questions: general@anti-leech.com

Advertising: advertising@anti-leech.com

Support: support@anti-leech.com

Lets email the shit out of them.

I am not obligated to view their ads (3, Insightful)

chunkwhite86 (593696) | more than 11 years ago | (#4746067)

I am not morally or legally bound to view the advertisements of others.

If pop-up blocking in browsers is "theft", is it then also theft when your Tivo skips the commercials??

This is incredibly silly, and I wouldn't frequent a web site, or give business to a corporation that would ban be based on my browser or browser settings.

Visual Pollution (2, Insightful)

spanky555 (148893) | more than 11 years ago | (#4746068)

Whatever happened to the micropayment model?

There doesn't seem to be any way to get it into some companies' heads that I DO NOT WANT TO BE ADVERTISED TO...and I can't even pay to get them off my back, which I would gladly do. Think about it:

1. Magazines.
2. TV - even when PAYING (~$50 these days) for cable, I still see commercials. Why is that?
3. Tivo - even though I pay for the service, they still "sponsor" this and that. WTF?
4. Web browsing - few sites offer a "members-only" AD-FREE portion of the site.
5. Phones - now companies are suing to get the "rights" to sell my info? What about MY rights? That's my info you have there, Mr. Head of Company.
6. Then there's the hospitals...who give your info out to folks when, say, your family has a baby.
7. DVDs!!!
8. Movies at the theater!!!
9. It just goes on and on...

I'm not confused about the need to advertise in the free market, but not one of these offer me discounts to advertise to me(phone companies, for example), or else they don't give me the option to pay a bit more to not get spammed.

Well ain't this brilliant... (0, Redundant)

DreadfulGrape (398188) | more than 11 years ago | (#4746073)

...just install the handy anti-popup-blocker code, and people will stay away from your website in droves. Gee, sign me up.
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