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RIAA/MPAA vs. xMule Author, EarthStation 5

michael posted more than 11 years ago | from the lunge-and-riposte dept.

Movies 1107

Two bits of news in the ongoing battle between the RIAA/MPAA and the rest of the internet: One P2P company, apparently based in Palestine, has thrown down the gauntlet to the movie industry. Meanwhile, a developer of another P2P tool who unwisely chose to live in the USA has been shut down (mirror) by the RIAA.

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first post ? (-1, Troll)

naph (590672) | more than 11 years ago | (#6754701)

first?

Re:first post ? (-1, Troll)

Colbens (238305) | more than 11 years ago | (#6754721)

First worthless post.

Re:first post ? (-1, Offtopic)

naph (590672) | more than 11 years ago | (#6754757)

you bet ur ass !! i have too much time at work :D

IN CAPITALIST AMERICA (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6754718)

YOU HAVE NO RIGHTS.

Re:IN CAPITALIST AMERICA (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6754755)

I would argue that this is not a troll, but biting social commentary on the state of the United States and its Republican overlords.

I, FOR ONE (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6754900)

welcome our new republican overlords!

(not!)

Anti Semitism? (1, Troll)

TerryAtWork (598364) | more than 11 years ago | (#6754727)

Could this be a Palestinian kick at the Jews they figure run Hollywood?

ho hum... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6754775)

It's not like Arabs like American big business anyway. The language of 'declaring war' on American interests isn't too new for the region either.

I just can't figure out whether they are trolling for publicity or really mean it...

Re:Anti Semitism? (-1, Flamebait)

maan (21073) | more than 11 years ago | (#6754778)

The jews that run Hollywood? You mean the Jews that run the US! Obviously, the palestinians have no real reason to like or even respect the US. Of course that's a kick at them... They'll do what they can against their enemy.

Re:Anti Semitism? (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6754781)

saying that the jews run hollywood isn't really anti-semitism. they do run hollywood. seriously. every big star/producer/etc is jewish. either that or scientologist.

Re:Anti Semitism? (1)

DemoLiter2 (700301) | more than 11 years ago | (#6754871)

But in Soviet Russia ... no, I'm not going to start a joke. In Soviet Russia there were just no scientologists, but the Soviet movie industry was run indeed by jews. I can hardly remember a single actor or director who was not Jewish.

Re:Anti Semitism? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6754901)

Jews running the Soviet movie industry? Who was the best director, Rubin Goldsteinski?

Re:Anti Semitism? (1)

DemoLiter2 (700301) | more than 11 years ago | (#6754947)

Who was the best director, Rubin Goldsteinski?
Who's this guy? Never heard about.
Ok, to say honestly, I think it was Tarkowsky. Doesn't change the fact he's Jewish.

Re:Anti Semitism? (1)

cyranoVR (518628) | more than 11 years ago | (#6754794)

Well, whatever their motivation, those guyz over at "Earthstation" better hope that the RIAA doesn't have any friends in high places in Sharon's gov't. Can you say "bulldozer?"

Re:Anti Semitism? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6754804)

"Could this be a Palestinian kick at the Jews they figure run Hollywood?"

Could this be a cheap kick at all Palestinians?

Re:Anti Semitism? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6754824)

mod this up

Re:Anti Semitism? (1, Informative)

Scrameustache (459504) | more than 11 years ago | (#6754815)

Palestinians, being semites themselves, can hardly be anti-semitics...

Main Entry [webster.com] : Semite
Pronunciation: 'se-"mIt, esp British 'sE-"mIt
Function: noun
Etymology: French semite, from Semitic Shem, from Late Latin, from Greek SEm, from Hebrew ShEm
Date: 1848
1 a : a member of any of a number of peoples of ancient southwestern Asia including the Akkadians, Phoenicians, Hebrews, and Arabs b : a descendant of these peoples
2 : a member of a modern people speaking a Semitic language

Re:Anti Semitism? (4, Funny)

fudgefactor7 (581449) | more than 11 years ago | (#6754875)

Palestinians, being semites themselves, can hardly be anti-semitics...

Sure they could...they could be filled with self loathing. ;)

Re:Anti Semitism? (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6754884)

Main Entry: anti-Semitism
Pronunciation: "an-ti-'se-m&-"ti-z&m, "an-"tI-
Function: noun
Date: 1882
: hostility toward or discrimination against Jews as a religious, ethnic, or racial group

Re:Anti Semitism? (1)

MoxFulder (159829) | more than 11 years ago | (#6754919)

This is silly.

We all know that "faggot" just means a bundle of wood, but if you call someone a faggot you're calling them a homosexual in an insulting manner.

Likewise, anti-Semite has come to mean "prejudiced against Jews", even though Arabs and some north Africans are descended from Semitic groups and speak Semitic language.

Re:Anti Semitism? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6754946)

And yet ANTI-semitism is recognized as hate of jews -- not hate of all semitic people:

www.webster.com:

Main Entry: anti-Semitism
Pronunciation: "an-ti-'se-m&-"ti-z&m, "an-"tI-
Function: noun
Date: 1882
: hostility toward or discrimination against Jews as a religious, ethnic, or racial group

Re:Anti Semitism? (1)

grug0 (696014) | more than 11 years ago | (#6754840)

More likely it's a Palestinian kick at the American establishment that provides aid [www.cbc.ca] the Israeli military to the tune of a billion a year.

Nope.. (5, Interesting)

fault0 (514452) | more than 11 years ago | (#6754843)

Their company page (http://www.es5.com/company.html [es5.com] ) says:

"Our group is made up of many people, Jordanians, Palestinians, Indians, Americans, Russians and Israelis. Some of us are Jewish, some Christians, some Hindus and other of us are Muslim.

Believe it or not, we all love and respect each other.

We all work and play together. Our families on many occasions eat at the same dinner table. We trust each other and are very close friends with each other. As a group, the most important thing in our life is our children, our families and love ones and of course our friends. "

Re:Anti Semitism? (1)

Lshmael (603746) | more than 11 years ago | (#6754879)

from http://www.earthstation5.com/company.html [earthstation5.com]
Our group is made up of many people, Jordanians, Palestinians, Indians, Americans, Russians and Israelis. Some of us are Jewish, some Christians, some Hindus and other of us are Muslim.

Believe it or not, we all love and respect each other.

We all work and play together. Our families on many occasions eat at the same dinner table. We trust each other and are very close friends with each other. As a group, the most important thing in our life is our children, our families and love ones and of course our friends.


They love their families...who they may never see again after the RIAA and MPAA come after them.

RIAA... hmm... (1, Funny)

LordYUK (552359) | more than 11 years ago | (#6754730)

Its 11:15 EST... Where the heck is our daily SCO story, huh?

Re:RIAA... hmm... (0, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6754798)

Re:RIAA... hmm... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6754810)

I think the story is that SCO's share price is over $11!!!!

Stock buyers are such idiots hehe

michael's spinning it now (-1, Offtopic)

siskbc (598067) | more than 11 years ago | (#6754866)

Its 11:15 EST... Where the heck is our daily SCO story, huh?

There's a story about how Darl had to make the excruciating decision to remove his critically ill child from life-support.

Micheal's going to title it "SCO advocates baby killing."

It'll go really well with yesterday's gem where he accused the MPAA of shutting down text messaging.

Who cares... (-1, Offtopic)

garstka (144691) | more than 11 years ago | (#6754732)

...rich people ought to be able to do whatever they want, even if that means using their vast financial resources to keep their sinking ship of a distribution model afloat.

Mule! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6754736)

Cue millions of comments about feigned belief that it was about the game Mule.

M.U.L.E (0, Offtopic)

Tei (520358) | more than 11 years ago | (#6754758)

Haaa... maybe the be^H^H^H^H THe bETTer gAMe in tHe wORLd!

Not that it needs to be said, but (5, Insightful)

InterruptDescriptorT (531083) | more than 11 years ago | (#6754738)

this is getting fucking ridiculous.

It saddens me as a developer that you can't even deign to write a P2P add without the assumption that it will be used for sharing copyrighted materials and thus shut down by the RIAA/MPAA. It's really amazing to see what lengths these bastards will go to to protect their industry after a major, earth-shattering shift in their profit model.

I urge everyone reading this to be very diligent in your boycott of buying new music or going to see movies. I haven't bought a CD in 22 months and haven't seen a movie since (believe it or not) 1999. You can't cheat and plead, just one movie! It's the Matrix! I have to see it. Nothing but the bottom line is going to get through to these people. If these folks don't get the message and soon, you may find yourself asking for permission to write anything on your machine that moves bits around.

Re:Not that it needs to be said, but (2, Insightful)

Havokmon (89874) | more than 11 years ago | (#6754809)

It saddens me as a developer that you can't even deign to write a P2P add without the assumption that it will be used for sharing copyrighted materials and thus shut down by the RIAA/MPAA.

No kidding, just posted to the Mandrake Cooker list:

> > Could we get some kind of p2p solution up and running? With so many
> > people wanting to keep a local cooker tree, it would seem self-evident
> > that we should be taking advantage of this technology. A cooker torrent
> > would be excellent! (does BitTorrent handle large numbers of files
> > easily?).

> This would kick ass. :) Especially if it was setup so that it can download
> from multiple sources at a time to increase speed.

So much for that idea. Although it IS copyrighted material, it's not illegal to distribute it. ;)

Re:Not that it needs to be said, but (5, Insightful)

varith (530137) | more than 11 years ago | (#6754828)

The problem is that the entertainment industry is using dropping revenue as proof that they need to implement tighter controls to prevent file sharing. So any boycott may be backfiring!

Re:Not that it needs to be said, but (1, Interesting)

Azureflare (645778) | more than 11 years ago | (#6754856)

Heck, I don't need a reason to not buy cds or see new movies...They all suck, and I don't intend to see any... Well, except for the lord of the rings. I can't give that up, sorry; it's kind of a family thing.

Other then that, I haven't bought cds since 2001 (And those were just second-hand jazz cds). I have all the music I want, and none of the new music is very interesting. Oh, except for Ben Verdery (really cool guitar), but that isn't RIAA owned, he's independant.

Re:Not that it needs to be said, but (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6754860)

That's not that impressive when you consider there hasn't been a movie worth 8 bucks per viewing for.. oh... I don't know... EVER. Don't get me started on one-trick ponies and their $20 CDs....

Re:Not that it needs to be said, but (1)

Dashing Leech (688077) | more than 11 years ago | (#6754886)

While I applaud your conviction to your principles, can't this method easily backfire? The RIAA has already been attributing declining sales to illegal P2P sharing. If your goal is to hurt them by boycotting CD purchasing, sales will slip more and they'll have even more amunition and laws against P2P may dig in deeper. True, they'd be wrong it's P2P's fault, but when has that ever stopped them?

Likewise, one of the standard arguments against the RIAA's position is that P2P often increases sales by exposing different artists to the public, with P2P as an artist search and 'try-before-you-buy' tool.

So, by boycotting are we not giving them more ammunition and taking away some of ours? We do have truth and reason on our side either way, but that doesn't seem to matter when it comes to lawmakers, lobbyists, and lawsuits.

Precedent against this sort of suit (2, Insightful)

nurb432 (527695) | more than 11 years ago | (#6754899)

Considering that the left wing weirdoes launched the same sort of attack against gun manufacturers to deny citizens of their rights, and it was struck down that they can NOT be held liable for what the end users do, I would think that could be used in court against nonsense like this..

I don't know if the bill was passed to bar this type of action, but the legal precedent is there at least.

You cant blame a tool for its improper use.. or the tool maker..

Resistance is futile and we are now in control (1, Funny)

ThulsaDoom (574868) | more than 11 years ago | (#6754739)

Wow, not only do they feel the need to steal movies, but quotes within the movies as well!

Palestine (-1, Flamebait)

ramdac (302865) | more than 11 years ago | (#6754740)

Palestine might as well be the capitol for stuff like this. People from there set off bombs daily. Maybe one of them will find their way to the RIAA's headquarters ..... nevermind.. that's not the right thing to do either.

You forgot something... (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6754741)

Palestine isn't a nation, it is under Israeli occupation, and since Israel is allied with the US, it will soon extradite these people to the US so they can be prosecuted. Either that or blow them apart in a helicopter raid. There is no place in the world that is safe from RIAA/US control.

Re:You forgot something... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6754795)

There is no place in the world that is safe from RIAA/US control.

What about China?

Re:You forgot something... (2, Funny)

3terrabyte (693824) | more than 11 years ago | (#6754914)

I was going to say "Hell" was safe. But then I realized the the RIAA already has high contacts there.

Maybe not. (1)

Tei (520358) | more than 11 years ago | (#6754853)

Bah! USA is not stronger. Need to invade a whole country to show the world is still the big dog. And need to fuck UN to show that. This is how USA show is weakness. Anyway no other guy can be the bad guy, and actually corporations have take over the real powers. As laws fit Corporations needs, real citadines lose more and more power and become a item to fuck/use/abuse for corporations owners. Of course, this is in longterm, and I supose this will change, as is a wrong way to evolve or democracy. My first option is that USA will change first, has is the oldest democracy alive, all is system is old and new optimization, and become more democracy and less money sugestable. If this occur is posible that some change in the world, and some anti AIDS ... hell what hard is to write english! :P

Re:You forgot something... (0, Offtopic)

BTWR (540147) | more than 11 years ago | (#6754892)

will soon extradite these people to the US so they can be prosecuted - that or blow them apart in a helicopter raid

I'm with ya man. The NERVE of some people, trying to arrest HEROES and FREEDOM-FIGHTERS* whose only crime ("crime" is such a strong word - more like "minor social inconvenience") is blowing up buses full of 7 year-old schoolchildren while carrying dozens of picklejars full of nails and screws so that the scrapnel rips apart as much human flesh as possible. (I mean, that fucking 6-month old baby girl on the cover of the NY Post yesterday woulda taken out the suicide bomber if he hadn't taken her out first - he did it in self defense! and now Israel has the nerve to try and arrest the organizers of that heroic act???).


*Note: I support the roadmap and i 100% believe there should be a palestine, and I am not in favor of harrasement of innocent, non-violent Palestinians (i DO fully support their right to protest, dissent, etc) - oh yeah, and i'm jewish and lived in israel for a while

IN SOVIET RUSSIA (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6754749)

You would not be harassed by corporations.

Re:IN SOVIET RUSSIA (-1, Offtopic)

hammarlund (568027) | more than 11 years ago | (#6754797)

No, you would be thrown in the Gulag for 5 years by the State.

So who has more lawyers? (-1)

DarthVeda (569302) | more than 11 years ago | (#6754750)

The RIAA/MPAA or SCO? It seems like they are singlehandedly keeping the market for lawyers insatiable.

Palestine????!!! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6754752)

Michael has once again shown what a tool he is..referring to "Palestine", currently a pipe-dream, because no such country exists.

There will be no Palestine, until these terrorists stop killing innocent civilians.

Re:Palestine????!!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6754808)

I've just had a chat with George III (you probably didn't know he's still alive) and he had just read your post and thoroughly agrees. "So-called "America" will never exist until Samuel Adams and his cronies stop killing innocent civilians" he told me.

Ironically, he said this while we were both drinking Sam's delicious Boston Ale.

Re:Palestine????!!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6754925)

Michael has once again shown what a tool he is..referring to "Palestine", currently a pipe-dream, because no such country exists.

There will be no Palestine, until these terrorists stop killing innocent civilians.


Palestinians don't want 'a country'. They want Israel. They have been offered land 3 times, all three of which would have given them quite a bit more acreage than Israel possesses. However, the Palestinian leadership has refused each time. They don't want to forge their own nation out of the desert, as the Israelis did. They want to take over an existing nation, Israel, which already has all the infrastructure in place, and then they want to kill all the Jews. I have no sympathy for their 'plight' and neither should anyone else, unless they're anti-Semite.
I agree that a Palestine is a pipe dream, but for reasons which are deeper than the terrorists, and which are, in fact, what drive the terrorists. They hate the Jews, they were led to believe that they should have had that country instead of the Jews (nevermind the fact that when offered land they didn't take it) and they are continuing a centuries-old pogrom against the Jews. Were I in charge of Israel, I'd have been much more violent, much sooner. They took a postage stamp in the desert and made it productive. Notice that there was no "Palestinian" movement to get a country before Israel was formed, and no desire to form "Palestine" anywhere else *but* Israel.

Re:Palestine????!!! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6754936)

Which terrorists, Hammas or the Israeli army?

Full text of article (5, Interesting)

mskfisher (22425) | more than 11 years ago | (#6754756)

He mentions having reached 90% of his bandwidth allocation for this month, so I would guess a Slashdotting wouldn't help things.
Here's the full text of the article, to hopefully stem some of that tide.

Today's Featured Article I've been personally shut down...


Thursday, August 21 2003 @ 12:46 AM CDT
Contributed by: Un-Thesis
Views: 788
Apparently I have been subpoenad, personally, on 8-17-2003 by an as-yet unknown entity under the DMCA clause, because of xmule, when it went on to gov'ment radar w/ the e-matters.de alert :P The subpoena lasts, suposedly, until Dec 6, when i must stand infrotn of a federal appellet court

100% of My job is online
100% of My school is online
100% of My friends are online
100% of My hobbies are online

and if i can't use a comptuer at all, they might as well put me in a federal
prison taht allows me to read and purchase any book i want...

As of 7:43AM MST (-7 UTC) my personal internet connection was shut down due to "unacceptable use". It took me 6 hours to finally contact my ISP customer support, a local cable modem provider, because they were swamped with MSBLASTER calls.

I was redirected to a 1800 number who redirected me to some other number, etc, until i finally reached a federal clerk's office in Washington, D.C. who informed me that it *seems* as though I have been personally subpaened by the USA Gov'ment on behalf of the RIAA. They told me that they were limited in their search for information due to the late hour (8PM EDT (-4 UTC)), but that the prosecuting body that issued under hte auspicies of the DMCA and NOT in the same category as the other 8,000+ copyright violation affidavits issued by the RIAA in recent months.

Additional bad news: xmule.org has reached 90% of its allocated monthly bandwidth. It is the 19th. I am very incapable of rectifying this decision w/out knowledgeable outside assistance in the United States (due to telephone communication required). If you can help me set up the other webserver, please contact me at 520-296-3408.

Unless DRASTIC action is taken within the next 48 hours, or my internet connection is restored, xmule.org forums will be permanently shut down until the bandwidth issue can be resolved.

Supposedly, the subpaena was filed on 8-17-2003. For those that know, the e-matters.de published xmule ni its security bulletin, thus, probably, raising us to teh level of teh RIAA's notice for the first time. Since I am the only american developer, and since i am really the only main developer, it seems they struck at the source.

I have not received written or otherwise announcement of the subpaena, and i still do not know the ramifications of my injunction. I may be able to use dialup or even DSL, cable is certainly out, or I may be completely barred form teh internet (this message might be illegal)

At this point i *know* i will need to hire a civil rights attorney, and if I am not liable to a prison sentence, then I might be able to leave the United States to either Mexico or Canada, at which point i will also need money to relocate...So any donations are greatly appreciated. PLEASE use the Amazon donation box, since it requires no online access by me, while paypal erquires a connectino.

I wont' know what my options are until some time tomorrow or later. Development of xMule seems to be the most likely target of me, since I have downloaded very little copyrighted material over the last, o, 6 months. I figured that before i found out i was banned completely from the internet i would send this mesasge...

Keep it real...weclome to the Fourth Reich of Amerika.

Un-Thesis

Re:Full text of article (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6754868)

Dear US,
I intend to flee if you try to arrest me.
- xmule guy

PS What is xmule?

Re:Full text of article (1)

fault0 (514452) | more than 11 years ago | (#6754933)

A emule clone, which in turn, was a clone of edonkey2000. I don't think the authors of emule or edonkey2k, which are both MUCH more popular than xmule (used mostly by Linux and OSX users), lived in the United States of RIAA, so they seem to be safe for now.

Re:Full text of article (4, Insightful)

darkov (261309) | more than 11 years ago | (#6754940)

I intend to flee if you try to arrest me.

Not quite, I think he is saying that he has to relocate to continue his work. Let's face it. The US is a pretty fucked place to live unless you're rich and have several lobbyists on the payroll.

Re:Full text of article (1)

mausmalone (594185) | more than 11 years ago | (#6754915)

The site is slashdotted now and I can't get any browsing done, so I ask the slashdot community. What is xMule? What does it do, how does it work, and how is it any different from other P2P serivces? I'm not a linux user, so I'm unfamiliar with a lot of the popular linux apps (I assume it's a linux app, and that the "x" is for X-Windows).

Extracts from ES5 press release (5, Insightful)

borgdows (599861) | more than 11 years ago | (#6754759)

(...) Earthstation 5 is at war with the Motion Picture Association of America (MPAA) and the Record Association of America (RIAA), and to make our point very clear that their governing laws and policys have absolutely no meaning to us here in Palestine, we will continue to add even more movies for FREE.
(...)
ES5 (http://www.es5 .com) does not require any signups, registration, credit cards and/or any other personal information to watch the first rate streamed movies like TERMINATOR 3, BRUCE ALMIGHTY, MATRIX RELOADED, etc. Our secure software protect our users who use our P2P application and there is nothing that you can do to stop us, says Ras Kabir, president of Earthstation 5 (http:/www.earthstation5 .com).
(...)
Ras Kabir's warning to the RIAA and the MPAA, "The next revolution in P2P file sharing is upon you. Resistance is futile and we are now in control".

OMG! It's what I call a man who has BALLS!!

Re:Extracts from ES5 press release (1, Insightful)

Chess_the_cat (653159) | more than 11 years ago | (#6754827)

...to make our point very clear that their governing laws and policys have absolutely no meaning to us here in Palestine, we will continue to add even more movies for FREE.

Admitting that they enable the distribution of pirated movies won't really help their cause. Whatever their cause may be.

Re:Extracts from ES5 press release (2, Insightful)

fault0 (514452) | more than 11 years ago | (#6754911)

I think the Palestinian government just has a tad bit more to worry about than to shut down file sharing companies over the internet.

Of course, given proper threats, bribes, etc.. to the right people..

Re:Extracts from ES5 press release (2, Insightful)

Rogerborg (306625) | more than 11 years ago | (#6754932)

It's not admitting it, it's shouting it from the rooftops. Why the hell should they care? As the MP/RIAA apologists keep pointing out, it's not about what's right, it's about what's legal. As Palestine isn't recognised as a state, it can't sign up to the Berne Convention, and so the MP/RIAA can go screw themselves.

The cause might be to get the MP/RIAA to strongarm the Whitehouse into accelerating the creation of a Palestinian state, so that they can start taxing it. It'd be a roundabout route, but, hey, money means a lot more in world politics than principles.

Re:Extracts from ES5 press release (5, Funny)

mccalli (323026) | more than 11 years ago | (#6754926)

OMG! It's what I call a man who has BALLS!!

He certainly does. Calling Bruce Almighty a first class movie takes something special.

Cheers,
Ian

in that case (-1, Offtopic)

meshko (413657) | more than 11 years ago | (#6754761)

I can thikn of at least two responses which can get +5 funny:

If palestinians are against MPAA I'm ready to take up arms in defense of this good old organization which works hard to provide entertainment to the ungreatful american youth.

OR

And again our palestinian brothers are the only ones who can stand up to the jewish agression against everything that is sacred to us. Damn jews own... etc, you get the idea.

Do I get +10 funny?

That's probably why... (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6754763)

Israel bombed Gaza, they just needed a scapegoat...

Earthstation5's motivation (1)

GreenJeepMan (398443) | more than 11 years ago | (#6754768)

I'm a little worried about what their motivation is. Do they see themselves as an Anti-American group? Or do they actually plan to make a profit out of Illegal movies?

Oy. (5, Funny)

NaugaHunter (639364) | more than 11 years ago | (#6754773)

That's all we need. The MPAA and RIAA getting involved in the Middle East. I wonder if Big Oil will like the competition.

Palestine? (1, Flamebait)

BTWR (540147) | more than 11 years ago | (#6754774)

Do they mean Palestine, Texas... or Palestine, West Virginia?

Wait! Maybe they mean the middle-eastern country "Palestine" that the Jordanians and Egyptians gave to their Arab brothers when they controlled 100% of Gaza, West Bank and Jerusalem from 1948-1967.

(oh, wait a second, that never happened...)

Re:Palestine? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6754857)

Perhaps they mean the Palestine whose ongoing suppression directly led to 9/11.

"Think about it, punk motherfucker" - NWA

Kicked off the Internet?? (2, Insightful)

lone_marauder (642787) | more than 11 years ago | (#6754776)

This guy's talking about being barred from use of the Internet as a result of a DMCA subpoena. WTF? Is this sensationalism or is there legal basis for this claim?

Re:Kicked off the Internet?? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6754816)

Read the article, his ISP disabled his account.

no links (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6754777)

I like how prnewswire.com 'avoided' linking to the sites they were discussing.

Correction.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6754782)

Meanwhile, a developer of another P2P tool who unwisely chose to live in the USA has been shut down (mirror) by the RIAA.

More like, the developer has been shut down by slashdot

Ironic.... (1)

argoff (142580) | more than 11 years ago | (#6754789)

The terrorist wannabes are attacking people in a country known to harbor terrorists.

Perhaps the MPAA/RIAA are just jealous.

Advantage to living in Palestine! (1)

siskbc (598067) | more than 11 years ago | (#6754790)

Hard to say anything. They didn't sign any international copyright agreements. And I think Israel's a little to busy with Hamas currently to do anyhing about file traders.

Viva la es5!

It's Idiotic. (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6754791)

Yes, there is a problem with digital rights management. Yes, Hollywood DOES have the right to make money. No, you do NOT have the right to broadcast their copyrighted info, and even the most fanatical, devoted, peer to peer sharing folks will agree.

Why exactly is this on slashdot? It's not a freedom movement. In no way can it be given a good slant. It's out-and-out copyright infringement. Period.

Even the most cockeyed activists have to see that far from making Hollywood "wakeup", this kind of thing is going to give them the ammunition they need to get more draconian laws passed in congress.

Moronic.

You know what's idiotic? (2, Interesting)

Cloudgatherer (216427) | more than 11 years ago | (#6754928)

The crap that the MPAA/RIAA put out in the last couple of years. I'm all for rewarding good film-making, but I want my money back for the League of Extraordinary Gentlemen. I'd like my time back too, but since no one has found a way to re-imburse time...

Seriously, I've been taken in by too many 'previews' of movies, thought 'this looks good', gone to see it, then wished I had not. Feels like I'm getting conned half the time. I'll buy DVDs, I'll pay to see good movies, but since I can't actually see a movie before I pay for it (unless I 'aquire it') what choice do I have?

None, and that's exactly what the MPAA wants. Text message that.

Re:It's Idiotic. (4, Insightful)

Hatta (162192) | more than 11 years ago | (#6754942)

You have the right to do anything you want until the state takes that right away. The ES5 live in a country where american copyright is not recognized. You may argue that what they are doing is unethical. You might have a point, law does not dictate morality.

Now users of this software may be be breaking the law, but I would argue that they are doing nothing unethical. After all law does not dictate morality.

RIAA/MPAA edits other companies's P.R. now? (3, Informative)

kindbud (90044) | more than 11 years ago | (#6754792)

No other press releases that I can find on prnewswire.com have had their company website URL link made inactive. Looks like the MPAA/RIAA can strongarm Prnewswire to remove what they allege are offending links from press releases, even if its a corporate website.

Watch out Apple, your press releases may be next to have links disabled.

RIAA and the legality of filesharing. (1, Interesting)

rkz (667993) | more than 11 years ago | (#6754802)

Portable MP3/Ogg players get better every year. While I was searching the internet for a suitable present to give my SO, I have considered purchasing an iPod for my SO, what brought it to my attention was that it costs the same as a Ruger .357. Both are lovely little pieces of engineering although with a bit of thought I realised both are bad things, instead I decided to put down my first down payment on a BMW X5. Back to the iPod, is this device legal? Will those of us who use it bring the wrath of the RIAA (Recording Industry Association of America) down on our heads like a corporate version of Maxwell's Silver Hammer?

Music is a creative process. Today, when a musician publishes music, i.e., exposes it to the outside world, only a privileged set of individuals are able to use the music as they please (RIAA). However, the artist has drawn from the creativity of many other musicians and there is an existential responsibility placed upon them to give this back unconditionally, so creativity is fostered among people. This is why peoples using music how they like is imperative.

Consider: RIAA-bought legislators are trying to get insane bills made into law. Whether or not they succeed, there are plenty of confusing copyright protection regulations out there already, and the latest tactic the music industry is using in its attempt to slow the death of their obsolete business model is to target individual users, not just commercial CD duplicators or large-scale file-sharing networks.

There seems to be this big RIAA push to outlaw all devices that facilitate file copying. Computer operating systems, for example, all have ways to copy files, and all those new little USB memory devices are certainly handy places to stash files and give you an easy way to move them from one computer to another, even if neither computer is hooked to the Internet or a LAN.

And then there's that MP3/Ogg player. My SO has many years' worth of legally-purchased CDs, and loves the idea of being able to transfer the music on them to a small solid-state device instead of using a portable CD player and lugging stacks of CDs everywhere. But would my Stevie suddenly become a criminal if he started ripping all his CDs?

Apparently not. Yet. It seems the recording industry powers-that-be haven't gotten around to suing customers who transfer music (that they've paid for) from one medium to another to make personal use more convenient. But will this largesse on their part continue? Could my SO be at the beach one day and find himself tossed in the back of a police car if he has music in his possession for which he has no receipt on his person?

(Yes, this is one of those "slippery slope" arguments, and the idea of an innocent music fan getting arrested is as farfetched as the ideas of copyright terms getting extended by Congress every time Disney?s copyright on Mickey Mouse is due to expire.)

But it looks like the RIAA is now going after music fans who share as few as five songs with friends over the Internet.

What if my SO hands his headphones to a young friend who may not have heard a piece of 'classic rock' he enjoys? What if he shares five songs with ten friends at a party? What if he makes a compilation CD full of MP3 or Ogg Vorbis files for a friend by using a 'copyright circumvention device' like, say, his laptop computer? So far, the nasty old Internet hasn't come into play. But if my SO emails those same files to a few friends, is he suddenly a pirate?

I have given up trying to sort out all this music filesharing stuff. The only 100% safe solution I've come up with is to avoid owning any music whatsoever produced by RIAA member companies. If you look around a little, you can find plenty of interesting pieces, in almost all genres, sold directly by the artists or by small recording companies that aren't trying to make trouble for their customers.

Hopefully you'll take similar steps yourself to eliminate the risk of being arrested by the FBI or other law enforcement agencies that are working to keep the music industry's current business model creaking along for a few more years.

And maybe, just maybe, if we computer users stop owning and sharing music made by RIAA members, law enforcement will have time to go after the most obnoxious music file sharers of all: Those who share their music with everyone in a six-block radius through insanely loud car stereos, even if the recipients of this kind of sharing have no desire to hear the music that is being 'shared' with them.

A few years ago I used to be the lead male singer in an EMO Punk band during college, this was at the height of Napster and we toured a lot visiting towns in the area collecting a small fan base along the way. I had to leave the band because of our drummer [twisted-helices.com] who thought it was a good idea to put some of our recordings on Napster. I was infuriated because who would buy our CD?s if they could get them online for free? The problem with web message boards like Slashdot is that they make filesharing seem cool, I propose that maybe editors go through posts and moderate comments which encourage breaking the law, young readers are very impressionable.

Re:RIAA and the legality of filesharing. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6754916)

Interesting story the first time I read it in the last RIAA article.

And guess who? (1, Interesting)

sjwt (161428) | more than 11 years ago | (#6754803)

"Earthstation 5 is at war with the Motion Picture Association of America
(MPAA) and the Record Association of America (RIAA),"

IMHO Earthstaion 5 hasnt declared war,
they are formalising it, the war has
been on for years now.

I dont suport ppl braking copyright laws,
but i hate companys that dont allow
there arhived copyrighted matrial to be
bought...

what is the point of having copyright and
sueing left right and center and yet not
makeing it avaible for purches at a resonable
price..

some companys out there want top $ for
products 20+ years old, even anchent
computer games and the like, it sickens me.

Over Trekked? (0, Offtopic)

LordYUK (552359) | more than 11 years ago | (#6754806)

"...Resistance is futile and we are now in control."

Someone has been watching too many Star Trek reruns...

So if P2P is the Borg, does that make the federation the future of the RIAA/MPAA??

My cunning plan (-1, Offtopic)

MikeHunt69 (695265) | more than 11 years ago | (#6754814)

1. Get the RIAA/MPAA to go after SCO
2. ???
3. Profit!

Won't last long. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6754817)

The RIAA will send a suicide bomber to their front door and end the argument. Anything can be bought for enough money.

New HTTP error message (5, Funny)

Dark Lord Seth (584963) | more than 11 years ago | (#6754820)

Earth Station 5 is spyware free, adware free and contains no popups and/or annoying advertising. Earth Station 5 is located both in Gaza and in the Jenin Refugee Camp of Palestine.

HTTP error 506:

Server has been ran over by an Israeli tank.

Re:New HTTP error message (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6754944)

That would be a different error #: M1A1

Copyright treaties in occupied countries (5, Interesting)

dowobeha (581813) | more than 11 years ago | (#6754837)

OK, so here's a question for you....

Most countries are signatories to one or more copyright treaties that commit them to recognizing and protecting international copyrights. They are therefore more or less prohibited from allowing the explicit breach of copyright declared in this PR release.

But who is responsible for enforcing copyright in an occupied country? Palestine has been recognized by the UN as an occupied territory, with Israel as the occupying power. With little real power, is the Palestinian Authority still supposed to enforce copyright restrictions? Or is that for Israel to do?

The same situation would apply, I assume, in Iraq. America is the occupying power, so I would think the same criteria should apply as in the Israel/Palestine situation. There is no true Iraqi government to enforce copyright, but on the other hand it seems a bit absurd to think that American laws should govern Iraq.

Interesting situation....

Cuts both ways (2, Interesting)

cyranoVR (518628) | more than 11 years ago | (#6754850)

IMO The Earthstation 5 dudes are pretty arogant and naive to to think that their foreign location prevents the RIAA from taking action. Since they are in Palestine and outside the US borders, I would imagine that the RIAA has a carte blanch to unleash mercenary hackers/crackers upon their servers. I really doubt the Israeli gov't will do anything to protect them.

And now that I think about it...Israeli-US relations...bulldozers...the apache strike-helicopters are probably powering up even as I write this.

Provided this whole thing isn't some kind of hoax of course.

Just A Publicity Stunt (2, Insightful)

JavaSavant (579820) | more than 11 years ago | (#6754851)

This isn't "throwing down the gauntlet," this is just a publicity stunt. They'll milk this for what it's worth from the flash in the pan they become from this press release, and then fold.

SCO/MPAA (2, Funny)

G33kDragon (699950) | more than 11 years ago | (#6754852)

So, if P2P development needs to move out from the U.S. in order to survive, does this mean that our SCO-based Linux developers need to depopulate the U.S. and move to non-applicable foreign countries as well?

Es5 (1)

swtaarrs (640506) | more than 11 years ago | (#6754858)

Es5 looks interesting, has anyone here used it and had good/bad experiences?

Earthstation 5 has one thing really going for it (5, Funny)

teamhasnoi (554944) | more than 11 years ago | (#6754863)

The amazingly out-of-touch theme of the web site.

Hey! 1997 called! They want their web developer back!

At least ES5 makes a good distraction (1)

EarwigTC (579471) | more than 11 years ago | (#6754885)

...from the easily-harrassed domestic sharers. Now you don't have to outrun the bear, you just have to outrun the guy who's jumping up and down, yelling and poking the bear with a stick.

Stupid mother fuckers (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6754902)

Okay you stupid mother fuckers, think about this. If you were someone who wanted to take down the internet, or build a nice DDOS network, how would you go about doing it? One way would be to try and exploit the latest bug. The other way would be to write up an app that everybody would intentionally install on their machines.

Why would some dumb fuck from a war torn area go and spend his own time and money in order to provide free movies, porn, and what not to a bunch of Western slackers who think everything is "free" because their mommy is paying for their shit and thus they aren't able to understand that bandwidth, hosting, content production, code development, etc. all have an actual real cost.

Terrorism (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6754904)

Pure paranoia at this point, but how long before the US government magically "discovers" that ES5 channels money to Hamas, Islamic Jihad, etc, and the MPAA, RIAA, and DOJ get to spin P2P file sharing as supporting terrorists, much like the "If you use drugs, you're supporting terrorism" ads?

probably hoax (4, Interesting)

guybarr (447727) | more than 11 years ago | (#6754907)


I'm not a speaker, but AFAIK "Ras Kabir" is arabic for "large head"
definately a pseudonym.

What's more, with the fighting in the west-bank over the last two years,
I doubt that people there had time to run any OS project, let alone one with "15 million active online users" cocurently. Especially entertainment-oriented.

This "declaration of war" is probably a hoax, and I wouldn't be surprized if kooky conspiracy-theories actually turn-out true in this case ...

(BTW, I'm not much of a speaker, but AFAIK "Ras Kabir" is arabic for "large head" definately a bad pseudonym )

What the fuck is "Palestine"? (n/t) (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6754938)

I said no text.

Is this a gag? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6754939)

The whole thing reads like a joke. The whois lists the Registrant as Earthstationv Ltd, A Vanuatu Corporation. And the corporation as Jenin refugee camp #23.

Boycotting is bad! (2, Interesting)

koniosis (657156) | more than 11 years ago | (#6754948)

All the people who say "Don't buy CDs or go to the Cinema etc" are fooling themselves, the more they don't spend on the industry they are just proving the Record/Movie association right!

I still buy CDs/DVDs and goto the Cinema, why they hell wouldn't I? watching a Film at home isn't the same as the Flicks, I don't care what TV you have. When LOTR Two Towers came out my and 15 of my mates went to see it at the Odeon London Leicester Square (Biggest Screen in the UK) Us and the other 2000 where in that screen, man, what an experience.

The Industry will learn that they can still make good sales with P2P if they just lower their price, not shut down the networks. I've downloaded moveis that I would NEVER buy, I wouldn't have bought them even before P2P was around, so the RIAA or whatever can't claim that for every movie we download they are losing that much money, cause thats a stupid statement, are they saying that in my house (5 students) we would have spent like 10000 on movies?!?!?! yeah get real. Don't deprive yourself to prove a point that's counter-productive

MPIAA vs. Militant Palistinians (1)

Mr.Sharpy (472377) | more than 11 years ago | (#6754949)

Hmmm, I don't think the Palistinian idea of war is what the MPAA had in mind when it began prosecuting a war on copyright infringement. If I were a US company I would worry anytime a middle eastern group used my name and the word "war" in the same sentence. Sometimes they (Palestians, well most groups in the middle east, including Israel) are not the most rational people.

MPAA/RIAA lawyers with subpoenas vs. Palestinians with RPGs (not the game format mind you).

This could get interesting.
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