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MPAA Goes After More Bittorrent Site Operators

michael posted more than 9 years ago | from the money-for-nothing dept.

The Courts 698

Just another Coward writes "DSL Reports grabbed a copy of the lawsuit threat letters sent by the MPAA to the bittorrent website owners. This latest document was sent to a Torrent site called 'demonoid.com', which is now offline."

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Alais (-1)

Ambient_Developer (825456) | more than 9 years ago | (#11167319)

It Begins.

Re:Alais (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11167354)

"the fall of the eastern empire"

Lookslike we need to move to our new home FreeNet

http://freenet.sourceforge.net/ [sourceforge.net]

amazing (-1)

Sir Tandeth (543411) | more than 9 years ago | (#11167322)

pirates

frist post (-1, Flamebait)

irc.goatse.cx troll (593289) | more than 9 years ago | (#11167324)

torrents are pointless, anything worth getting is scene released and sitting on tons of private ftps. You can shut one down, but you wont really hurt much.
Death to transfers that stop at 99.8%, sit around with 10x more uploading than downloading on a connection that does 3mbit/356kbit, and the horrible memory usage of bittorrent.

Re:frist post (1)

WidescreenFreak (830043) | more than 9 years ago | (#11167381)

Death to transfers that stop at 99.8%, sit around with 10x more uploading than downloading on a connection that does 3mbit/356kbit

This has always been my biggest gripe with BitTorrent. I have a 1.5 down/128 up DSL. Whenever I fired up BitTorrent, it would always upload at the full 12 KB/sec but download at closer to 1.2 KB/sec. I got so frustrated that I just shut it off and suffered with downloading from the company's main FTP site at a whopping 2.7 or 2.8 KB/sec, but it was still faster. (Yes, it was actually for legal purposes.) It should probably be renamed to BitTrickle.

I still think that it's a great tool that can be used for a lot of completely legal purposes, not the least of which would be game and application patches and updates. I can only imagine what the bandwidth costs must be to companies like Sun, any Linux distributor, Microsoft, etc. Why host the file when you can proviede a BT link and let everyone else distribute your patches for you?

But as long as BT gives abysmal download rates, I'll stick with the various Gnutella clients, newsgroups, or straight FTP.

Re:frist post (0)

MicroBerto (91055) | more than 9 years ago | (#11167417)

Azureus [sf.net] allows you to throttle and it works extremely well. I can download at 400kb/s total (this absolutely pisses off my roommates as it cripples our net connection (but they appreciate it because I get these awesome downloads from a porno server, and then share the files with them)), and can only upload 30kb/s total.

Re:frist post (4, Informative)

jafomatic (738417) | more than 9 years ago | (#11167529)

First replier to your post explained the solution, but not so much why. Your bandwidth looks much like mine (Verizon DSL) and it is because of the "a" in aDSL that we would suffer that horrific downstream problem when uploading and downloading at the same time.

In short, the downstream and upstream share a buffer; if the buffer becomes full (i.e. maxxed out your upload capacity) then both streams will suffer. As the guy pointed out, Azureus (and other clients) will allow you to throttle your upstream.

In addition to this, you should also throttle your downstream just a bit (in case you are able to max it out, I believe the same problem could arise). I had mine throttled around 90% of each maximum (so about 175KB/12KB) and it worked like a charm.

As to the memory requirements, you might want to look into how often the client commits its memory cache to disk in order to alleviate this.

Re:frist post (1)

Norgus (770127) | more than 9 years ago | (#11167512)

and guess what? setting up your firewall correctly and using a non standard port (ISPs sometimes throttle standard filesharing ports) and limiting your upstream to about 5k/s less than its max, you get damn goo results. Learn how to use something before saying its broken.

Re:frist post (1)

Insipid Trunculance (526362) | more than 9 years ago | (#11167514)

The thing is Torrents were out there for any newbie to google for torrent sites and download them.

I agree that private ftp's must have a hoard thats wonderful but how do i find out about them?and then gain access to them?

How have they missed this? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11167328)

I'm surprised the MPAA continues to go after free torrent sites while completely neglecting the few sites which actually exist to make money.

Perhaps they should take a look at [url=http://wdma.biz]WhereDaMoviezAt[/url], which exists as an add-on service to the popular (and $10-mandatory-for-entrance) [url=http://forums.somethingawful.com]Something Awful Forums[/url].

WDMA is also illegally hosted by an MCI employee at one of their data centers. My only guess as to why the enforcement agencies don't go after such outfits is that they're getting a piece of the action.

Re:How have they missed this? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11167358)

Why on earth aren't my URLs being parsed?

You faggots need to switch to MySQL and PHP and a good bulletin board package like VBulletin.

Fucking perl alternafags. Eat shit, Commander Taco.

Re:How have they missed this? (-1, Redundant)

halivar (535827) | more than 9 years ago | (#11167394)

Perhaps they should take a look at--

Thank you for your contribution, citizen. Your colla-- help is safing the world betterwise to raise all of our children.

Re:How have they missed this? (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11167416)

It's pretty obvious that you're a jew, given the bitterness over "collaboration". Off to the ovens with you.

Color me surprised... (4, Insightful)

SoTuA (683507) | more than 9 years ago | (#11167331)

...it took this long to start.

Remember the napster trial? Saying "I just post links" doesn't cut much cheese against deep-pocket *AA's lawyers.

Re:Color me surprised... (1)

TrollBridge (550878) | more than 9 years ago | (#11167356)

Deep pockets doesn't have anything to do with it. "I just post links" simply isn't a valid defense for copyright infringement. And although IANAL, IMHO posting links constitutes distribution. The courts would probably see it that way as well.

Re:Color me surprised... (2, Interesting)

SlayerofGods (682938) | more than 9 years ago | (#11167429)

Posting links = Ok
Or else google is in deep shit...
Running tracker = Bad

Re:Color me surprised... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11167472)

Last time I checked, Google didn't directly link to .torrent files. If they were, I imagine the xxAA's would have been all over them by now.

Re:Color me surprised... (3, Informative)

DanielJosphXhan (779185) | more than 9 years ago | (#11167552)

Quite wrong.

Try searching for "csi filetype:torrent" sometime. They do directly link to torrent files, from CSI episodes to TeleSyncs of new movies.

However, search engines are protected from things like __AA by US law, I believe.

Re:Color me surprised... (1)

irc.goatse.cx troll (593289) | more than 9 years ago | (#11167475)

The DMCA cases against 2600 for distributing decss.c say linking counts as distribution. Of course the work around was linking to sites that link.
As I said in another post though, I hate bittorrent, and I'll be happy when it goes away. Piracy should not be for the masses, that hurts the companys that make our software, music, and movies. When it becomes just as easy for your mom to download windows as it is to buy it, shes not going to buy it. We'll never have bought it anyways, but some people would have-- and theyre the type that use mainstream pirating methods, while the rest of us were using BBS's, usenet, FTPs, and many other methods before it became popular to not pay for things.

The only mainstream-ish type of piracy i'd like to see is an easy distributed filesystem type thing. Where you and a bunch of friends all add yourselfs as peers to the system, and mount a virtual drive where all files are shared among hosts. You allocate, say, 40gigs for this. * 10 friends, you have 400gigs to spread around. Then you copy a few mp3s, movies, or what have you and it mirrors itself across the mesh drive. Accessing would buffer as much as it could by downloading from multiple sources, while using the fastest source as a primary host.
I doubt anyone will make anything like this until we all have atleast 1mbit upstream, but all p2p methods suffer from lack of upstream--
I can get 5mbit down from roadrunner, but still only 356kbit up. How can you not be a leech when it takes about 16* as long to upload as it does to download?

Re:Color me surprised... (1)

Mz6 (741941) | more than 9 years ago | (#11167363)

It didn't take that long.

My guess is that the MPAA waited around to see how RIAA was going to handle Napster, Kazaa and the myriads of other clones out there. The process that seems to be working is send C&D letters, sue the IP address and force the ISP to reveal the true identity. The MPAA didn't have to jump in so fast because movie piracy just wasn't as big as music was at the time. You had to download huge files that took most people days to complete. Now... with BitTorrent and the rising use of broadband in homes now.. the process can take less than 12 hours.

Re:Color me surprised... (1)

nutznboltz (473437) | more than 9 years ago | (#11167464)

The fact that they ran trackers and posted links doesn't help them.

redirect (1)

ack154 (591432) | more than 9 years ago | (#11167335)

which is now offline

And redirects to google.
At least they don't have to worry about being slashdotted now. :)

They should at least post funny responses... (5, Funny)

djeddiej (825677) | more than 9 years ago | (#11167338)

They should at least post funny responses, like like pirate Bay

http://www.piratebay.org/frame.html [piratebay.org]

Here was a sample response PirateBay sent to Dreamworks

As you may or may not be aware, Sweden is not a state in the United States of America. Sweden is a country in northern Europe. Unless you figured it out by now, US law does not apply here. For your information, no Swedish law is being violated. Please be assured that any further contact with us, regardless of medium, will result in a) a suit being filed for harassment b) a formal complaint lodged with the bar of your legal counsel, for sending frivolous legal threats. It is the opinion of us and our lawyers that you are (expletive) morons, and that you should please go sodomize yourself with retractable batons.
lol. oh and first post?

THEY KILLED DEMONOID! (-1)

Comsn (686413) | more than 9 years ago | (#11167345)

YOU BASTARDS!

Re:THEY KILLED DEMONOID! (0)

Norgus (770127) | more than 9 years ago | (#11167427)

Seconded, I liked that tracker. Any news on exeem and public availability yet?

66.250.450.10 - www.demonoid.com (5, Funny)

nutznboltz (473437) | more than 9 years ago | (#11167346)

Where can I get an IP address like that? :)

Re:66.250.450.10 - www.demonoid.com (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11167372)

--Nobel Prize Winner on Peak Oil [rice.edu]
I don't know about peak oil, but I've always liked his brother's motavational TV broadcasts. Every morning, I look at the mirror, and I say "I'm going to have a great day today, because I'm good enough, I'm smart enough, and, gosh-darn it, people like me." It makes me feel so good.

I hope Richard is similarly an expert in his field, like Stuart.

Re:66.250.450.10 - www.demonoid.com (3, Funny)

mordors9 (665662) | more than 9 years ago | (#11167378)

That could be the out for everyone. Flush the real log records and keep the ones for this (nonexistent) IP address. "Well your honor, we preserved the information they requested" :-)

Re:66.250.450.10 - www.demonoid.com (1)

nutznboltz (473437) | more than 9 years ago | (#11167543)

Would that still be contempt of court? It's clear they want to go from a civil to criminal case by saying "please hold onto your evidence" to a bunch of kids who will delete it causing contempt of court. But if they claim they obeyed the letter of the request does that weaking the chance it will be effective?

Re:66.250.450.10 - www.demonoid.com (-1, Flamebait)

tomstdenis (446163) | more than 9 years ago | (#11167383)

What are you talking about?

tombox ~ # hostx -a www.demonoid.com
www.demonoid.com A 216.52.184.240

Re:66.250.450.10 - www.demonoid.com (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11167424)

What are you talking about?

RTFA [dslreports.com]

Re:66.250.450.10 - www.demonoid.com (1)

cdrudge (68377) | more than 9 years ago | (#11167426)

Did ya even bother to read the article and the letter scans that were associated with it? If you did, you'd know what your parent's post was talking about.

Re:66.250.450.10 - www.demonoid.com (2, Informative)

Kidbro (80868) | more than 9 years ago | (#11167460)

You win the I refuse to RTFA prize of the day. Not only did you not read the article, you go out of your way to prove it too ;)

The text of the threat letter talks about "the website, www.demonoid.com, and server at 66.250.450.10".

Re:66.250.450.10 - www.demonoid.com (2, Informative)

LnxAddct (679316) | more than 9 years ago | (#11167528)

This is the IP address cited on every page of the legal threats. That IP address is not a valid IP simply because of the 450. That number can't be greater than 255 with IPv4. This may make it an easy win for the torrent site maintainers.
Regards,
Steve

Re:66.250.450.10 - www.demonoid.com (1, Funny)

Timesprout (579035) | more than 9 years ago | (#11167408)

I believe you can on one of George's other internets (GWB.[your name here].imaginary I think)

Re:66.250.450.10 - www.demonoid.com (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11167483)

Dutch ISP xs4all.nl's primary DNS for customers is 194.109.6.66 - a lot more demonesque ;-)

Re:66.250.450.10 - www.demonoid.com (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11167490)

It all makes sense when you do the math:
66*2^24 + 250*2^16 + 450*2^8 + 10
= 1123795466
= 66*2^24 + 251*2^16 + 194*2^8 + 10

So 66.250.450.10 equals 66.251.194.10. The MPAA uses some 1337 IP scrambling. I just happen to have the secret decoder ring. Don't tell anyone.

And? (4, Insightful)

tomstdenis (446163) | more than 9 years ago | (#11167352)

Last I checked piracy was still piracy. What gives you the right to faciliate piracy?

It's wrong to draw from this that "MPAA is making BitTorrent illegal". That's just stupid /. pandering.

What the MPAA is doing is cracking down on people who pirate and help people pirate movies. Big whoop.

Though I have my own ideas on how the movie studios could save money. STOP PAYING THEM SO MUCH. I mean how many studios are there? A dozen at most? If they all colluded and salary capped the stars to say 50,000$ per movie [give or take] we wouldn't have "multi-million dollar movies" where most of the money goes to the actors and not the actual crew behind the scenes WHO ACTUALLY MAKE IT HAPPEN.

You think Keano made the matrix? No it was 100s if not 1000s of "much lower paid" crew that did the CG, the sets, costumes, makeup, lighting, cameras, editing, etc...

I'll never understand how they can get off and say things like "oh the Olsen twins are worth 20 million dollars"... um to who? They're a pair of uneducated no-talent actors who ride their "being twins and decently good looks". Let's see what they're upto in 20 years shall we?

Same goes for all the other little "artistes". They poperzize their music, everything is staged, etc, then think they're worth a couple million per performance...

Well hate to break the news to ya little gal and guys. Most people work their entire lives and don't see a couple million. They "earn" a million dollars for a day long shoot then blow it on a rave and some diamonds... Then they have the audacity to wonder why people [other than brainwashed puppet teenagers] despise them... Hmmm... .../rant

Re:And? (3, Insightful)

lordfener (842728) | more than 9 years ago | (#11167379)

And there are plenty of reasonable uses for systems like bittorrent--for example downloading RPM isos. If they go after the pirates, I couldn't care less--they deserve it. But going after the technology would be like suing car manufacturers because their products are used as getaways in robberies. Pure genius...

Re:And? (1)

tomstdenis (446163) | more than 9 years ago | (#11167412)

No, stop being a /. yuppy.

They're suing SPECIFIC website owners who host torrents of movies. I have yet to see them send a suit to gentoo.org or knoppix.net.

Grow the fuck up moron. Sure the MPAA is "evil" but not everything they do is wrong.

First off, piracy is still stealing. Maybe not the physical sense but surely from their pockets just the same. The whole point of making a movie/music compilation is that you want people to pay to see it. If you're not paying to see it [or at least pay for the media like a legit DVD or CD] then you're circumventing their wishes AND rights w.r.t. the media.

Second, asshat lamerz who simply MUST download 600MB movies over and over rob bandwidth from all the other users. It's not about saying "oh your access is worth less than mine". For example, I download a LOT of source code. Just my source code is legal and your movies are not. So might as well prioritize bandwidth for legal purposes don't you think?

Also in schools it's nothing to see the bandwidth effectively die around 9am when most students show up just because they simply must play net games, download media, etc...

It's called thinking of others... oh shit I said too much...

Tom

Re:And? (3, Insightful)

rhsanborn (773855) | more than 9 years ago | (#11167439)

I agree with you. They are simply taking care of the people who are trading things illegally. But, learn how to argue and make your point without being such a prick. Address the issue, not the person.

Re:And? (2, Funny)

lordfener (842728) | more than 9 years ago | (#11167443)

Oh right, because they never went after technologies designed for file sharing. I'm sorry, your dickness. I'll go back being a moron and living in the real world then. Let me know when you're back from la la land.

Re:And? (1)

Stevyn (691306) | more than 9 years ago | (#11167388)

Maybe when the studios pay these actors and actresses millions of dollars, it creates an aura about the movie with the public so they'll make the money back on opening weekend.

This is just a guess, but look at Ocean's Twelve and their very expensive cast and the popularity of the movie. I haven't seen the movie, but I've heard it was mildly funny.

Re:And? (1)

tomstdenis (446163) | more than 9 years ago | (#11167558)

The less money I have the more I hate those who get money effortlessly.

So no, paying 200 million for a cast of "super stars" won't entice me to see "yet another sequel". I'll rent it likely but that's paying a fraction of movie costs [family of 5 at theater == 50$, rental = 5$].

Tom

Re:And? (5, Funny)

rxmd (205533) | more than 9 years ago | (#11167389)

Last I checked piracy was still piracy.
Damn straight! And last I checked, piracy still required a boat of some sorts, rather than a computer.

Re:And? (0, Flamebait)

tomstdenis (446163) | more than 9 years ago | (#11167434)

At one point owning slaves was legal.

Times change dumbass.

Tom

Re:And? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11167469)

Indeed. Maybe one day we can look forward to intellectual slavery laws like copyright and patent going the way of physical slavery laws.

Re:And? (1)

NoMoreNicksLeft (516230) | more than 9 years ago | (#11167484)

Wow. Be careful what you say, someone might mistakenly think you're vaguely aware of the difference between morality and legality.

Or are you iplying that it was ok to own slaves prior to the 1860s? I mean, after all, it was legal...

Re:And? (1)

tomstdenis (446163) | more than 9 years ago | (#11167539)

That's not the point. He said "piracy involves boats". I'm saying "This is 2004."

I don't know why people think it's right to violate their copyright just because "you can". Of course that's because most /.'ers don't "produce" anything of worth to have stolen [or misappropriated] to then empathize.

Tom

Re:And? (1)

rxmd (205533) | more than 9 years ago | (#11167536)

Last I checked piracy was still piracy.
And last I checked, piracy still required a boat of some sorts, rather than a computer.
At one point owning slaves was legal. Times change dumbass. Thank you for illustrating the point that whoever owns the discourse owns the mind. It looks like you're accepting this as perfectly appropriate.

Re:And? (1)

c0dedude (587568) | more than 9 years ago | (#11167395)

You know, the sites hosted things that weren't copyrighted too. Stuff that's hard to find and dying out, such as early films and books. Ignoring scale, knocking out these sites is like shutting down microsoft for it's sound programm piracy, as discussed a feew weeks ago.

Re:And? (-1, Flamebait)

tomstdenis (446163) | more than 9 years ago | (#11167468)

And I'm sure drug dealers also tuck their kids in bed at night.

Big whoop. You want to "do nice"? Then don't get mixed up in "do bad".

I mean why don't I put pirated copies of HL2 on libtomcrypt.org while I'm at it then bitch when Sierra shuts the site down...

Fucktard.

Tom

Re:And? (1)

YrWrstNtmr (564987) | more than 9 years ago | (#11167399)

I was with you, right up until you said "being twins and decently good looks"

Re:And? (1)

tomstdenis (446163) | more than 9 years ago | (#11167482)

They're not "hot" but they're also better to look at than the average pack-mule.

Is that better?

Tom

You must be a metrosexual. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11167524)

In dude, that translates to, "I wouldn't need beer."

There are a few levels of hotness:
I would, but I couldn't get her to drink the champagne if I could afford it.
I would but I can't afford enough apple martinis.
I would but I don't have enough beer.
I don't need beer.
I will need a small quantity of beer.
I will need a small a pitcher and change.
Tequila.
Keep it coming.
"I sorry, I don't know how to say 'Where are my pants?', and 'Why does it burn when I pee?' in Spanish. That is Spanish right?"

Re:And? (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11167401)

What gives you the right to faciliate piracy?

I feel I am allowed to commit copyright infringement because I think the people holding the copyrights, and the government itself, have broken the "deal" that is copyrights. Copyrights are supposed to be temporary. They have abused their position, so it is not one to respect.

But I agree with your position on pop culture icons.

However, I also note that the movie industry makes and loses money on tons of movies each year, in the hopes of a handful of blockbuster films. Frankly, this is a really shitty business plan, and I feel no compassion for their loss.

Re:And? (1)

erykjj (213892) | more than 9 years ago | (#11167409)

While I agree with most of your "rant", I don't thinks its correct to go after the "medium". You'd have to go after everyone inbetween: the communications company who laid out the cables, the ISP, the maker of the CD/DVD-ROMs, etc. etc. etc. - they're all just a link in the transport of (il)legal stuff.

Re:And? (2, Insightful)

tomstdenis (446163) | more than 9 years ago | (#11167522)

I disagree. ISPs and their providers should be common carriers. All they're responsible for is providing the bits [and making sure asshats don't find ways to stop the bits].

Sans that we would have to have our ISP inspect each packet to make sure it was "legal". You could also kiss encryption bye bye [or use escrow...]. Then at the same time we could limit mail to postcards only so that they can be readily viewed, etc. etc. etc.

I think it's not too much to hold the invididual users accountable for their actions. Of course this is the USA, home of the blameless. I didn't get fat because I have no self-control, McDonalds did that too me. I didn't get stupider on my own, the unteaching teachers did it to me. etc...

The buck stops at the asshat hosting the torrents and the users providing the content. The fact that the MPAA has only gone after the torrent host [at this point] isn't an argument against the MPAA it just means they want to cut the source off at the head.

Will that work in the long run? Really doubt it. Is it wrong though? No.

Tom

Re:And? (2, Informative)

Tx (96709) | more than 9 years ago | (#11167474)

I agree with you that in any objective sense, most "stars" aren't worth anything like what they get paid. Unfortunately consumer bahaviour makes these people worth those sums in economic reality. The fact is the vast majority of people will put a CD or DVD down right away if they don't recognize the names on it. Whereas if they recognize the names, even if fairly neutrally, they're likely to give it a shot. Hence the studios can guarantee large sales of a movie purely by putting a "big name" on the credits, which makes said "big name" worth millions, even if the movie or whatever is dross.

Re:And? (1)

dema (103780) | more than 9 years ago | (#11167532)

Last I checked piracy was still piracy. What gives you the right to faciliate piracy?

So, they should shut down automakers for facilitating speeding? And knife makers for facilitating murder?

This is a bunch of FUD. I've used torrents before across suprnova and others for perfectly legal downloads. Because the site can be used for pirating of movies, music, and the like does mean that they are at fault.

Should the internet be shut down because it facilitates piracy?

Re:And? (0, Flamebait)

31415926535897 (702314) | more than 9 years ago | (#11167542)

I'll never understand how they can get off and say things like "oh the Olsen twins are worth 20 million dollars"... um to who? They're a pair of uneducated no-talent actors who ride their "being twins and decently good looks".

Look, I'm right there with you in thinking actors get paid way too much, though it's all a free market system, so actors are going to get paid what the market thinks they should be paid.

Also, you should lay off the ad hominems. You called the Olsen twins a pair of uneducated no-talent actors. While talent is a matter of subjectivity (if you don't like them, don't watch their shows/movies, but someone else may want to), you are off-base in saying they are uneducated. They both got a 1600 on their SATs, and they both got into an Ivy League college. Let me ask, who is more educated, the Olsen twins, or you, tomstdenis?

I don't see how a rant with such fallicies get modded insightful, this sounded more like a troll to me...

Re:And? (2, Interesting)

Salgak1 (20136) | more than 9 years ago | (#11167545)

Piracy ? Funny, until the tracker went down, Demonoid was where I generally downloaded the latest .ISOs of Mandrake. I wasn't aware Free Software was piracy. .

Meh (-1, Flamebait)

Raven42rac (448205) | more than 9 years ago | (#11167353)

Large repositories of pirate material = begging for action from the *AAs. I am surprised it took this long as well, most of these sites were openly flaunting what they were doing.

!= Large repositories of pirate material (2, Insightful)

nurb432 (527695) | more than 9 years ago | (#11167503)

These sites don't have any repository of any pirate material. They are a repository of LINKS... What the links are, ore are not, is not their responsibility. As is how you use them. In court, the *AA would loose, but of course these cases will never get to court as the people running the sites cant afford to fight. Its "justice" for the one with the most money. So if I link to some where else that has something offensive to you, does that make me the bad guy? No its your fault for going to the link.. Not mine.

I don't download this stuff... (2, Interesting)

Agent Green (231202) | more than 9 years ago | (#11167360)

...because I'm a stickler for quality and don't feel like monopolizing my connection for so long to get it.

The more I read about this, though, the more it pisses me off...so there's little seed in the back of my head that tells me not to waste my time with movies...and I don't. Gouging for a ticket is bad enough, but the additional gouging for food and beverage just adds insult to injury anyway.

Re:I don't download this stuff... (2, Informative)

WidescreenFreak (830043) | more than 9 years ago | (#11167430)

Gouging for a ticket is bad enough, but the additional gouging for food and beverage just adds insult to injury anyway.

Actually, the "gouging" for food and drinks is what keeps the theaters there. The studios take almost all of the profits from ticket sales. The theaters get their profit from concession sales. A theater could sell out every seat in the house for every showing for every movie. But if no one buys anything to eat or drink, that theater will close in short order.

Support your local theater, especially second-run and independent theaters. Buy some popcorn.

Re:I don't download this stuff... (1)

Robmonster (158873) | more than 9 years ago | (#11167461)

Yeah, I hate the way cinemas wont let me in to watch the film unless I've bought both food AND drink from them beforehand.

Re:I don't download this stuff... (1)

djeddiej (825677) | more than 9 years ago | (#11167526)

so there's little seed in the back of my head...

Is this a torrent seed? Where can I download it? lol. Watch out, the RIAA may be after your head :>

RE: I'm just waiting for someone to find a way.... (4, Interesting)

fshalor (133678) | more than 9 years ago | (#11167364)

to use google to search for torrents directly.

Already a way to do this (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11167377)

filetype:torrent matrix

Re: I'm just waiting for someone to find a way.... (5, Informative)

wpmegee (325603) | more than 9 years ago | (#11167392)

Just use filetype:torrent. Not pretty, but it works...

Re: I'm just waiting for someone to find a way.... (1)

Se7enLC (714730) | more than 9 years ago | (#11167414)

Now we just need a way to make torrents look like html so google will cache them....

then they'll have to shut down Google!

Re: I'm just waiting for someone to find a way.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11167486)

Or, google will just stop allowing searches for files of that type.

Re: I'm just waiting for someone to find a way.... (1)

Taladar (717494) | more than 9 years ago | (#11167534)

I heard there are lots of legal uses for Google...

Re: I'm just waiting for someone to find a way.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11167407)

Just add /filetype:torrent to the end of your search... It only catches longer term torrents unfortunatly...

E.G.
Fedora /filetype:torrent
(88 hits!)

Re: I'm just waiting for someone to find a way.... (5, Informative)

Zocalo (252965) | more than 9 years ago | (#11167432)

What, like this? [google.com] You just type "filetype:torrent moviename" into the seach box. Of course, this means that Google will be in violation of the INDUCE act should it ever get passed...

Re: I'm just waiting for someone to find a way.... (1)

tacensi (706781) | more than 9 years ago | (#11167480)

you can [google.com]

p2p torrent (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11167369)

Pardon me, but is there a way to combine p2p and torrents? Torrents ultimatly solves the bandwidth clogging issue with popular downloads, but the security isnt there, by design.

I run peergaurdian, so I feel fairly secure from litigation, but ultimatly these lawsuits are going to chop away at the websites, and we'll need an alternative.

Soooo, a searchable torrent p2p, where you can download the .torrent files, and they are seeded by the same p2p program.

Im not very network oriented, and I stopped coding with PASCAL many many years ago, so I'm limited in my capacity.. but surely you could combine the two technologies as to get torrents off of the web.

Re:p2p torrent (4, Insightful)

NoMoreNicksLeft (516230) | more than 9 years ago | (#11167444)

Peerguardian is a joke. When it comes time to sue you, the MPAA or their BayTSP minions will simply use a consumer broadband account to gather the evidence. Duh.

If we knew every single employee of both companies, adn we have our spies working at all major ISPs on the lookout for those names (and assuming they don't use other names), we *might* be able to have some level of protection. Maybe. That's assuming that "our guy" isn't out sick the say they sign up, or the day that their cable modem gets a new DHCP lease.

P2p still sits on the internet, and for that reason, it's no safer than anything else. You have to build your own network, and it has to have moderately strong anonymity. Nothing else will work.

Re:p2p torrent (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11167459)

I remember a story on ./ here [slashdot.org] a few weeks ago on this. bittorrent are currently implementing a distributed version of the BT protocol that doesn't need the websites to host .torrent files. Anyhow surely its just a matter of time before all the hosts are based in Russia and the US lawyers won't be able to touch 'em

Re:p2p torrent (3, Interesting)

skadus (821655) | more than 9 years ago | (#11167502)

Shareaza [shareaza.com] does it, kinda, but it's basically eDonkey and a couple other things mixed into one. It has a BT client built-in, and you can use eDonkey/Mule/Dingo/Fox to search for the torrent files (usually they were torrents from SuprNova), then run the torrents (don't think there's a way to automatically do it though).

Granted, this was 2.0. 2.1 may be different. I stopped using Shareaza because it felt pretty slow. I suppose a similar way to do this would be to use eMule to download the torrents and then run them in whatever torrent client you use.

This is what happens when... (5, Funny)

CodeWanker (534624) | more than 9 years ago | (#11167370)

people mistake "free exchange of ideas" and "I don't have to pay for it."

Re:This is what happens when... (1)

proverbialcow (177020) | more than 9 years ago | (#11167425)

This is what happens when... people mistake "free exchange of ideas" and "I don't have to pay for it."

Barratry runs rampant?

Coal (2, Funny)

officepotato (723274) | more than 9 years ago | (#11167380)

Well the article is somewhat interesting, like where they point out that the cited address has a '.450' in it.

But the real gem so far (in my oddball opinion) has been the discussion of anthracite vs. bituminous coal that followed. That thread was nine messages and two pictures of coal long last time I checked. AND, I felt like I actually learned something on slashdot. Not something I'm likely to use, but interesting trivia for Christmas parties at least.

Somewhat Misleading Title (4, Insightful)

TrollBridge (550878) | more than 9 years ago | (#11167386)

It should read something like "Bittorent Site Operators Invite Lawsuits". Seriously, who could have predicted that posting so many links to copyrighted works would draw the ire of the MPAA?

Filesharing to Fair Use? (4, Insightful)

saterdaies (842986) | more than 9 years ago | (#11167387)

I think it's a bit of a pitty because BitTorrent has/had such potential to revolutionize how the internet worked, but in the end it just became a place for illegal file sharing. Everyone talks about filesharing and the terrible things that the RIAA and MPAA want to do to stop it, but they act like illegal filesharing is a good thing - like it is a pious act. The EFF has kept defending it as if they have a righteous cause. Filesharing technologies do have legitimate uses. At the beginning, the EFF was telling the RIAA/etc. to go after indivivuals who were using it for illegal purposes. Now, the EFF has decided that those illegal actions need to be defended too. I think that someone needs to create a movement around real fair use. Nothing more, nothing less. Not stealing and not totalitarian MPAA/RIAA crap. Something that would allow me to use my music in the ways that I should be able to and for a fair price without resorting to stealing. Something that the majority of people in America (and the world) could agree with.

This really Ircs me (4, Insightful)

F7F7NoYes (740722) | more than 9 years ago | (#11167402)

Well, when mp3's became hip, I downloaded them off sources on IRC. Then napster came out and every moron with an aol account was downloading mp3's. Then napster was shut down. Then connection speeds improved and I started downloading movies and apps from IRC. Then Kazaa/Fastrack came out. Then every moron with an aol accound was on Kazaa. Then they started suing said morons that put their email address in. THEN I started using bittorrent to download Linux ISO's, the pirating started with Bittorrent, and before I knew it, more morons with aol accounts were talking about suprnova. Then it died. Meanwhile I'm still on IRC and still no problems.

1337 ip! (3, Funny)

Maljin Jolt (746064) | more than 9 years ago | (#11167410)

TFA says: 66.250.450.10

Maybe mirror is located at 666.666.666.666...

TV Shows (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11167411)

This is silly. I can't see any problem downloading any of those TV shows. I have personally downloaded 4 of the LOL rips of Desperate Housewives, and they are great (the rips not the show- it's for my wife, honest.). They are HDTV rips at about 650 Megs for an hour long show.

By downloading episodes my wife missed, she was able to keep up with the story and now she watches the show on a regular basis. Had I not downloaded them, "Disney" would have one less viewer... not that it really matters to them I guess.

Freenet? (1)

MicroBerto (91055) | more than 9 years ago | (#11167440)

Why hasn't freenet taken off yet? Is enough of this going to happen where freenet becomes the show-stopper?

Re:Freenet? (1)

AmericaHater (732718) | more than 9 years ago | (#11167556)

Regretably never. It's nigh on impossible for a non-geek to run it and even most geeks dont. Its been going for 6 years now and you still cant search and the performance is dismal.

I had high hopes for it once but most of its usability problems are too fundamental, and too tied to its architecture, for it ever to be otherwise. Sad but true.

Sometime Demonoid user... (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11167445)

It was a good site, reasonably well run--content was well categorised, reasonable commenting system, but they went down often too--too much load caused the site software to meltdown.

They had the usual forum too, where it was always pointed out that Demonoid did not host illegal software--all they hosted was .torrent files, which are meta files for any software or data.

It was paid through donations, and donators (more than $5) had their Up/Down ratio reset to 1 for a month. If you went below 0.25 Up/Down for too long, you faced being banned.

I saw it go down many times, and each time the owner resurrected it and promised donors their month back.

I mostly checked for software, and most of it worked.

MPAA is evil and needs to die! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11167467)

The MPAA is really pissing me off. It is time for a revolt! I say we go up to their offices and rocketlauncher them in the face.

They were vulnerable (3, Informative)

KarmaOverDogma (681451) | more than 9 years ago | (#11167479)

Demonoid went down only because the site owner(s)/operator(s) and/or their site host reside in a country that has and actually cares to enforce DMCA-like/Copyright laws. A site similar to this will probably pop up in Russia or elsewhere in due time.

Notice that bi-torrent.com, supernova.org and their kin are still alive and well, and likely remain so for a quite a while.

The only way **AA will make any real headway here is to sue the .torrent users themselves.

Re:They were vulnerable (0)

jlebrech (810586) | more than 9 years ago | (#11167548)

suprnova is dead too, you been checking a fakernova site.

Well, as long as my favourite site... (-1, Redundant)

ylikone (589264) | more than 9 years ago | (#11167485)

torrentreactor.net stays up, I'm happy.

The List (5, Funny)

theraccoon (592935) | more than 9 years ago | (#11167501)

Did you happen to see the list of movies they're accused of pirating? Dodgeball, 50 First Dates, and Catwoman, to name a few. How sad.

I'd hate to be his mom. "You went to jail for WHAT?? Couldn't you have been doing something I wouldn't be embarrassed to tell my book club about, like drugs or attempted murder!?"

Where does it end? (3, Interesting)

skyshock21 (764958) | more than 9 years ago | (#11167504)

Something tells me the MPAA won't stop until FTP and Bit Torrent protocols themselves are rendered useless.

Does the MPAA have jurisdiction over sites hosted overseas as well???? Many of these web sites will eventually just off-shore to places where the MPAA can't touch them. This is rediculous, it's like the war on drugs. You can't fight this wholly on the supply side - you shut one down, and three more pop up. Why are they being so naive?

Centralized networks are vulnerable (1)

BigJim.fr (40893) | more than 9 years ago | (#11167540)

The vulnerability of centralized networks in high threat environments is well known. The gray area of sharing of copyrighted materials between users is such environment. Networks built for that purpose should surely not rely on any central piece of infrastructure, there is nothing new about that. Publicly exposed marginal activity is only survivable until someone with some form of power takes aim at it, so current event should not be surprising.

Move BitTorrent sites. (1)

macdaddy357 (582412) | more than 9 years ago | (#11167560)

All the BitTorrent sites need to move to developing nations, and parts of Asia where there are few or no copyright laws. In places where people are struggling just to find food, the idea that vapor has value is too absurd to even consider. Move your sites there.
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