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Imax Theaters Demur On Controversial Science Films

timothy posted more than 9 years ago | from the truth-will-out-regardless dept.

Censorship 2242

circletimessquare writes "The New York Times is reporting that a number of Imax theatres are passing on science-themed films that might provoke controversy among a handful of religious fundamentalists. Films that are having their distribution impacted include '"Cosmic Voyage," which depicts the universe in dimensions running from the scale of subatomic particles to clusters of galaxies; "Galápagos," about the islands where Darwin theorized about evolution; and "Volcanoes of the Deep Sea," an underwater epic about the bizarre creatures that flourish in the hot, sulfurous emanations from vents in the ocean floor.'"

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I don't know what's sadder... (5, Insightful)

FlyByPC (841016) | more than 9 years ago | (#11995609)

...that the theater owners think that showing science films is too controversial or not interesting to the general public...

...or that they're probably right.

IMAX (2)

Bad D.N.A. (753582) | more than 9 years ago | (#11995657)

Is usually the distribution chain for these flix right? I have never expected my local 48-gazillion chain to show these flix

Re:I don't know what's sadder... (5, Insightful)

Jonathan (5011) | more than 9 years ago | (#11995661)

What's weirder is that IMAX theaters normally are *in* science museums. You'd think that the Fundies wouldn't set foot in such "ungodly" places and that the people who do go are those interested in science.

Re:I don't know what's sadder... (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11995760)

They're probably whining that there's public money involved. (I say "they" but it's probably some lame-ass little group that mass-mails form-letter whines.)

Present them with an ultimatum: STFU or IMAX theaters will show films about creation. All creation myths, everybody's.

Re:I don't know what's sadder... (4, Insightful)

ZephyrXero (750822) | more than 9 years ago | (#11995766)

I honestly don't see how these science films could be "controversial" to any religious groups? At least not from the descriptions given...

Re:I don't know what's sadder... (5, Insightful)

gilroy (155262) | more than 9 years ago | (#11995800)

Blockquoth the poster:

What's weirder is that IMAX theaters normally are *in* science museums. You'd think that the Fundies wouldn't set foot in such "ungodly" places

Fundamentalists no more need to go to a museum to protest it, than they have to attend a mainstream film before denouncing it. They're not looking for a rational engagement using such trite things as facts; they're going for a visceral reaction based on hot-button emotionalism. Thiongs like facts and experience just slow down their game.

Re:I don't know what's sadder... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11995667)

It's damn minority politics and PC thuggery that has led us down this path. Also the damn quest in the media for the lowest common dominator that has sapped people of any metal engagement.

It's mediocrity that is the flavour of the day.

I've been called a greasy thug, too. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11995701)

It never stops hurting.

Re:I don't know what's sadder... (2, Funny)

TLLOTS (827806) | more than 9 years ago | (#11995732)

Indeed. Next think you know we'll have schools that are forced to put stickers on books discussing evolution that detail how evolution is only a theory... oh wait.

Re:I don't know what's sadder... (3, Insightful)

Zottacko WallyMan (821270) | more than 9 years ago | (#11995792)

And is even sadder that this oppinion is not only common for the theatre, but for all arts and culture.
Perhaps music and cinema are the most evident. With all that money spent on hollow and awesome FX productions that don't lead the human being to any kind of improvement. Is sad to see that the thing is to accumulate money and not to share a vision or a meaning. Is sad to see that people prefere not to think but to forget... :(

i say god damn (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11995616)

damn right wing fundamentalists. i hate them so much

Tmid (1)

Gogogoch (663730) | more than 9 years ago | (#11995617)

Imax? More like Imaxn't offend the anti-evolutionists.

it's sad (5, Insightful)

promantek (866291) | more than 9 years ago | (#11995618)

because this is epidemic of our society in america.

we lose out on interesting ideas and concepts because they may offend someone. it happens in all levels of education, in business, everywhere.

this is sad but not suprising.

Re:it's sad (5, Interesting)

marko123 (131635) | more than 9 years ago | (#11995670)

Sort of what happened in Iran when Khomeini and his religious band of merry men took over the government. Don't worry, American friends, there are many people out there who can relate, and who you can stand beside to fight this scourge.

They might look like Arabs though :)

Re:it's sad (0)

geminidomino (614729) | more than 9 years ago | (#11995755)

They might look like Arabs though :)

Yeah, THAT'LL help... No offense, but no thanks. We've already got a sizable chunk of the population trying to report those who don't drink the "War on Terror" Kool-Aid as "terrorist sympathizers".

Thanks, but it's too late. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11995757)

The United States of America lost that war in 2000.

offensive? (5, Insightful)

cRueLio (679516) | more than 9 years ago | (#11995619)

how is "an underwater epic about the bizarre creatures that flourish in the hot, sulfurous emanations from vents in the ocean floor" offensive in any way?

we shouldn't let a minority dictate what is right or wrong because we risk having our freedom become the same "freedom" they have in China.

Re:offensive? (1)

FlyByPC (841016) | more than 9 years ago | (#11995629)

It probably discusses *gasp* Evolution.

Apparently that's no longer in fashion, among the "Intelligent Design" proponents...

Re:offensive? (1)

AndroidCat (229562) | more than 9 years ago | (#11995665)

Or running out from subatomic scale to galaxy size. (A classic in science films) WTF? Did the film somehow mention the idea that the damned universe just happens to be older than 4004 BC or something?

Re:offensive? (1)

kfg (145172) | more than 9 years ago | (#11995785)

This would necessarily occur when discussing the traveling time of light.

KFG

Re:offensive? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11995717)

sulfurous emanations from vents in the ocean floor...
It's the smell I guess.

Re:offensive? (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11995719)

Because everyone knows the fangfish [hamline.edu] is an agent of Beelzebub.

You can see the homosexual agenda and godless science in its eyes.

religious fundamentalists (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11995623)

What is wrong with these people?

Why do they stick their heads in the holy sand all the time, why can't they just accept that people have different views and should be allowed to express them.

It makes me sick that religious wackos are given all the freedom to worship/teach/live as they please, but fuck everyone else over with their righteous bullshit.

Re:religious fundamentalists (0, Flamebait)

Swamii (594522) | more than 9 years ago | (#11995694)

According to the article, religious people had little affect. Imax cancelled these films, an editor theorizes it could be because religious people might get upset at these films (what? we don't get upset at Discovery channel...sigh), and VOILA! We get a full-fledged Slashdot peanut gallery bashing us "religious fundamentalists".

Sigh.

Re:religious fundamentalists (0, Offtopic)

Killswitch1968 (735908) | more than 9 years ago | (#11995708)

I had 4 mod points up until about 5 h ago. You would have gotten at least one of those. Man my timing sucks :/

Re:religious fundamentalists (1)

phrasebook (740834) | more than 9 years ago | (#11995775)

We get a full-fledged Slashdot peanut gallery bashing us "religious fundamentalists".

Yes. Is there a problem?

Re:religious fundamentalists (0, Troll)

Swamii (594522) | more than 9 years ago | (#11995817)

I guess that depends on whether one believes open hatred of another group is "a problem".

Re:religious fundamentalists (1)

toddbu (748790) | more than 9 years ago | (#11995796)

I agree with Swamii here. Just because people have strong religious views doesn't mean that they reject all science. I'm a pretty conservative guy and have lots of conservative friends, and I don't know any of them that would argue that there is life around volcanic vents in the deep ocean. Just because these guys can't make an interesting, profitable film doesn't mean that you should blame it on people who believe in the Bible.

Re:religious fundamentalists (5, Informative)

spuzzzzzzz (807185) | more than 9 years ago | (#11995823)

According to the article (did you even read it?), several IMAX theatres cancelled the movie because of religious objections. So that you don't have to take my word for it, here's a quote:

Carol Murray, director of marketing for the Fort Worth Museum of Science and History, said the museum decided not to offer the movie after showing it to a sample audience, a practice often followed by managers of Imax theaters. Ms. Murray said 137 people participated in the survey, and while some thought it was well done, "some people said it was blasphemous."

In their written comments, she explained, they made statements like "I really hate it when the theory of evolution is presented as fact," or "I don't agree with their presentation of human existence."


I find it somewhat sad that several people seem to have taken your "an editor theorizes it could be because religious people might get upset at these films" as fact instead of reading the article.

Re:religious fundamentalists (2, Informative)

Queer Boy (451309) | more than 9 years ago | (#11995824)

According to the article, religious people had little affect. Imax cancelled these films, an editor theorizes it could be because religious people might get upset at these film

Uh, dude, I am assuming you RTFA because you are pretending like you did. However, in the article I read it said specifically:

Carol Murray, director of marketing for the Fort Worth Museum of Science and History, said the museum decided not to offer the movie after showing it to a sample audience, a practice often followed by managers of Imax theaters. Ms. Murray said 137 people participated in the survey, and while some thought it was well done, "some people said it was blasphemous."

Re:religious fundamentalists (2, Insightful)

DNS-and-BIND (461968) | more than 9 years ago | (#11995769)

Read your second and third sentences again. Now, tell me (use science) and tell me if there is any contradiction there.

Sigh...I hate these threads, I really really do.

"These people are like Nazis. They should be killed."

Re:religious fundamentalists (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11995833)

Your post is the world's greatest proof of reincarnation; no one could get that dumb in just one lifetime. Your ineffective imitation of good posting style only serves to illuminate your lack of substance, good taste, and decency.

Thanks for your contribution, but if I had wanted to hear from somebody with your IQ, I'd be at my local supermarket talking to the vegetables. Generally, there is nothing wrong with having nothing worthwhile to say - unless you insist on saying it. Reading your post makes blindness a wonderful thing to look forward to. How true is Stanislaw J. Lec's famous remark: "Every now and then you meet someone whose ignorance is encyclopedic."

You light up a room when you leave it. No doubt your life is so dull, that you can actually write your diary one week in advance. Do yourself and everyone else a favor: take a fatal overdose of your medication. Maybe you wouldn't be such a Jerk-In-The-Box if you had enough brains to find water after falling down a well; if your weren't so fat that all the restaurants in town have signs that say: "Maximum Occupancy: 80 Patrons OR You.", or if your face wasn't the strongest form of natural contraception available. Nah, of course you would.

In closing, I offer these heartfelt words: Go suck on a frozen pineapple, asshole.

what does it matter? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11995626)

what does science have to do with religion?

Re:what does it matter? (1)

domc (11897) | more than 9 years ago | (#11995798)

Because science is the new religion, and some of the oldschool fire & brimstone types out there haven't quite adjusted to the idea yet...

Boring (5, Insightful)

MavEtJu (241979) | more than 9 years ago | (#11995627)

The New York Times is reporting that a number of Imax theatres are passing on science-themed films that might provoke controversy among a handful of religious fundamentalists.

Wake me up when there is something happening the US which doesn't upset a minority group which goes in search for media attention or takes it to court.

Re:Boring (5, Funny)

edalytical (671270) | more than 9 years ago | (#11995685)

Wake me up when there is something happening the US which doesn't upset a minority group which goes in search for media attention or takes it to court.

That'll be one hell of a coma. Personally, I would just remove you feeding tube, but that may just perpetuate the problem.

Science (5, Interesting)

BWJones (18351) | more than 9 years ago | (#11995636)

It really is sad that the documentation of the search for truth is so dangerous to some people. I understand in the need for belief and am a scientist that considers myself religious. However, I also believe that there are truths in the universe that need to be revealed and understand that those truths threaten some people and institutions. The task of the documentary film maker in many ways is similar to that of the scientist, and censorship or concealment of truth harms both of our missions. I also understand that businesses are in the business to make money, but it would be nice if businesses could have enough faith in what they do to stand up and be honest about it. That is unless money is your god, but if that is the case, be honest about it. The unfortunate truth is that money is the most important thing to some folks and they also know that if they revealed it, then they might lose business. You are known by your actions and I would encourage those potential patrons of these theaters who are refusing to show these films to boycott those IMAX theaters who are too scared to show a film that documents scientific discovery.

Time to start gassing Christians (0, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11995638)

before they gas us.

That's just how it is sometimes.

In other news: (2, Funny)

imsabbel (611519) | more than 9 years ago | (#11995639)

looking out at the stars at night, or using a microscope, will result in an equal amount of religious disturbance for that group of people if they use their brains to think about what they see.

So i recommnd preventive suicide, it also helps them get close to their god.
Thanks for leaving us alone, guys, just do it!

Re:In other news: (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11995706)

Remind me how looking out into the stars would bother someone who believes in the Bible.

Re:In other news: (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11995714)

Obviously they'll have to outlaw 'scopes of any kind or the terrorist have already won.

My recommendation (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11995731)

I would like to recommend all religious people to join sects like Heaven's Gate [virginia.edu] . By all means... catch the next comet.

No Animals? (4, Insightful)

poopdeville (841677) | more than 9 years ago | (#11995644)

OK, I get the Galapagos and Cosmic Voyage films being rejected as controversial, but why would a film about animals living in a harsh environment be controversial? Don't Creationists have enough room in their ontology for animals now?

Could it be ... they want to make more money?? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11995730)

I don't understand the sinister undertones, overtones here. If you have one screen to show a movie, you're going to show movies that appeal to the widest-possible audience. This isn't f-ing PBS, this is a for-profit theater with very limited numbers of screens (compared to traditional theaters). If they had 10 screens in every location they would show a broader range of movies.

Welcome to America (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11995649)

Welcome to America, where ignorance isn't just bliss, it's a virtue.

ChrisTaliban (5, Insightful)

Doc Ruby (173196) | more than 9 years ago | (#11995652)

Who will welcome our new overlords, the ChrisTaliban turning the USA into Afghanistan West? Where are the reasonable Christians who repudiate this demented abuse of our country into a market theocracy in their name? ...tumbleweeds..

Overheard at Geological Imax Movie Protest (3, Funny)

Tezkah (771144) | more than 9 years ago | (#11995716)

Fundamentalist: People said I was dumb but I proved them.

Re:Overheard at Geological Imax Movie Protest (3, Funny)

geminidomino (614729) | more than 9 years ago | (#11995770)

The President was at the protest?!

Re:ChrisTaliban (2, Insightful)

Swamii (594522) | more than 9 years ago | (#11995768)

Where are the reasonable Christians who repudiate this demented abuse of our country into a market theocracy in their name?

Right here. People ought to be free to see what they please, whether or not I agree with it.

That said, read the article. There was no protest by Christians, there was no public debate, no outcry by fundamentalists -- nothing. This was Imax making the decision not to show some movies, basing it on the fact that if Christians find it offensible, the film will likely make less money: Christian schools won't go on field trips to see it, church groups won't go out and see it, and so on. All Imax cares about is money.

But no, just like Slashdot, one controversial, hype-inducing, sensationalist headline will get the entire crowd up in an anti-Christian, anti-religious frenzy. Sigh.

Undersea volcanoes (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11995653)

Okay evolution makes sense sort of, some people don't want the facts to get in the way of the world view eg humans are unique and above animals. I guess the stuff with the universe offends them too if they don't put us at the center of it. But under sea volcanoes? What could posably be contravsial about that? Because it doesn't portray them as the wrath of god?

Joking? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11995655)

Oh shit. Is it April already?

Things like this will destroy the American economy (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11995672)

Soon enough American students will not be exposed to scientific methodologies and theory because of the complains of Christian fundamentalists. While the Religious Right will feel their children are pious and enlightened, the rest of the world will progress with our understanding of nature and science. The rest of the world will innovate and prosper, while America will be dragged down into religious strife. Christian fundamentalism will be the death of America.

Maybe science fiction needs to go as well. (1)

Mechanized Elf (682620) | more than 9 years ago | (#11995675)

Merely to imagine a reality outside the banal orbit of a the fundamentalist's brain must surely be as offensive as showing evidence of same.

Re:Maybe science fiction needs to go as well. (1)

geminidomino (614729) | more than 9 years ago | (#11995744)

the fundamentalist's brain

Quirk Objection: Assumes organ not in evidence.

Re:Maybe science fiction needs to go as well. (1)

Jeremy Erwin (2054) | more than 9 years ago | (#11995795)

A good many works of SF contain unflattering depictions of theocrats. Consider Nehemiah Scudder...
I can only guess at how the fundies will react to the "Forge of God" script that's reportedly being shopped about.

This is stupid (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11995677)

Why is it news when some religious group gets all in a tizzy about something? It happends all the time, and religious groups are becoming less and less relevant to how things work.

Religion....what is it good for...... (5, Funny)

Gogogoch (663730) | more than 9 years ago | (#11995684)

So we have:
+ Christians who are against science
+ Muslims who are against the West and progress
+ Scientologists who believe a SF story
+ Mormons who believe a non-SF story

Jesus, it makes you wonder....

Re:Religion....what is it good for...... (1)

(v)Jargon(v) (316889) | more than 9 years ago | (#11995746)

you're right, things are getting messed up. I'm actually kind of surprised by this.
Oh, just remember not everyone fits in your listed sterotypes. I'm a Muslim and hate everything against progress and organization. And it's not like Muslims are against progress they just don't want an American imposed one. Anyway, enough religious talk.

No one cares (1)

M0riarty (850969) | more than 9 years ago | (#11995689)

Let's face it, no one cares about the religious minority. They should just leave the remainder of the world the hell alone.

It's a shame... (4, Insightful)

CarlinWithers (861335) | more than 9 years ago | (#11995690)

Religous fundamentalists who clamour against everything and anything that might cause their faith to be questioned misrepresent what religion should be about. The most impressive religious figures are the ones who help others regardless of what their judgement of those people's beliefs are.

I recently met a girl who chewed me out for accepting evolutionary theory. I was at first shocked, as I thought that the issue of evoultion and religion had been worked out. Then it really bugged me that she could be so backward and regressive in her thinking. Then I finally realised that none of it mattered, I was being just as closed-minded as she was. What was more important was if I just forgot the differences and found a way to get the project we had done without making a big deal out of it.

Re:It's a shame... (1)

Swamii (594522) | more than 9 years ago | (#11995830)

Well said. That's why I dread these threads, where a sensationalist topics generates open season for an all out, unbridled hatred of a religious group. It's sad.

I don't see a problem. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11995692)

Why is this even on the front page of slashdot? After reading the article it is clear that they based their decision on the input of the _local_ community and their standards.

Tell me how this is any different than doing the same when it comes to other relative issues such as swearwords and lewd behavior.

Re:I don't see a problem. (3, Insightful)

javiercero (518708) | more than 9 years ago | (#11995807)

Because one is about facts and reason and the other is about taste. Censorship by standars and mass acceptance, or perception of, is just another form of censorship.

If we had followed the same path, we would have been eating feces long time ago, afterall if we following correctness from numbers... it is clear that 10^12 flies can't be wrong.

A lot of what we consider today to be masterpieces happened to be rather offensive to the standards of the community where they were being created. Had they followed the classical "let the market speak" approach to acceptance of a cultural product, we would be a much poorer society w/o those works of art.

A group which has already forced people to accept that humans come from mud and dung, which has been proven false. A group that has argued that the earth was a) flat, b) the center of the universe, and c) that its core was some sort of purgatory. Well, with such "hit rate" when it comes to factual information... I am inclined to think that this group should be nowhere allowed to force moral or cultura standards with such low accuracy when it comes to actual fact, no matter the number of followers.

Re:I don't see a problem. (2, Interesting)

(v)Jargon(v) (316889) | more than 9 years ago | (#11995822)

Because it is a problem. It's not allowing people in those particular communities who actually might be interested in learning about evolution, cosmos, etc. based on the opinions of some who think that these topics are blasphemous. It's not even a standard. What about free thought?; how do you expect a society to progress if you begin to control reasonable thought?

No one has the right or should have the right to attack these documentaries when there is such "crap" (excuse me) on TV that goes on without a fuss. How can people even think about banning documentaries, its just hypocrisy. These are probably the same people who tune in every night to catch a glimpse of preacher O'Reilly.

Say What? (1)

the_skywise (189793) | more than 9 years ago | (#11995697)

None of those movies are offensive to fundamentalists. Galapagos maybe, but most Imax' in my area are near museums which also show... films on evolution.

Methinks IMAX just wants to be commercial because, in reality, those films aren't going to be big money draws as say, "Star Wars: Episode II", and its alot easier to blame things on "Those cwazy fundies" then admit they've got dollar signs in their eyes.

Who (1)

ColonelFubster (758353) | more than 9 years ago | (#11995704)

Cares.

Worrying development (5, Insightful)

theolein (316044) | more than 9 years ago | (#11995713)

I'm not American, so I can't say how much of a real impact something like this has, but I wonder if this recent rise of very conservative religious fundamentalism in the USA and efforts to stop the presentation of things that contradict their view might not lead to the USA eventually falling beind in key sciences, and, as a consquence, losing its edge in the world of technology.

While the situation isn't as bad as that Escape from LA movie from the late 80's, there certainly are aspects of that in modern American politics it seems.

Re:Worrying development (1)

DNS-and-BIND (461968) | more than 9 years ago | (#11995793)

Yeah, I know what you mean, man.

Sorry my comment can't be longer, but I have to report to jury duty for a witch trial. Between that, my part-time job patrolling the streets beating people for not reporting to church at the designated time, and entering nightclubs and arresting women who wear revealing clothing, I don't have enough time to censor my own internet postings.

Powers of 10 (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11995718)

One of these films sounds like a Powers of 10 ripoff done with new special effects.

Faith Based Science? (1)

hereschenes (813329) | more than 9 years ago | (#11995720)

From the article, James Cameron says:

"It seems to be a new phenomenon," he said, "obviously symptomatic of our shift away from empiricism in science to faith-based science."

His distinction is artificial, IMHO. If his comment is an attempt to tar Christianity (I think it's fair to say that this issue isn't really related to most other religions) as blind idiocy, he should have had the courage to say as much and not just imply it. Beyond that, there is no "empiricism" in science or religion that isn't ultimately based on a degree of personal faith and conviction.

Wrong. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11995802)

There is no faith or preconceived convictions held by good scientists and good science.

Note the word "good". That's the important bit.

ignorance (1)

plutonium83 (818340) | more than 9 years ago | (#11995723)

It's easier to be religious if you're ignorant towards modern science. Their beliefs are based solely on a large piece of historical fiction (The Bible). Likewise, it's easier to be Republican if you don't keep up with current events. (So called "Passionate Conservatism" is thrown out by national and global statistics on wages, quality of life, the environment, etc)

we need another /. religion bash story (0, Troll)

discordja (612393) | more than 9 years ago | (#11995725)

I'm sure we'll get enough yahoos that hop up and down about how this is repressing freedom and ignore the fact it's a private company making a decision on what they choose to show. So let's skip that.

I simply don't see the problem here. If you take TFA on face value, and assume that the shows didn't have a very high production value AND they would be playing to audiences that are predominantly in non agreement with the focus .. you just aren't going to make a profit by picking it up and it only makes sense from a business perspective.

Of course, if this had been a story about an IMAX theatre choosing not to show a vid that discussed creationism there would be dancing and 200 comments on how awesome it is. But no one ever accused /. readers of being particularly enlightened on this issue.

Re:we need another /. religion bash story (2, Insightful)

gilroy (155262) | more than 9 years ago | (#11995786)

Blockquoth the poster:

Of course, if this had been a story about an IMAX theatre choosing not to show a vid that discussed creationism there would be dancing and 200 comments on how awesome it is. But no one ever accused /. readers of being particularly enlightened on this issue.

OK, I'll play the Big Bad Scientist and call Bullshit on your implied equivalence between the theory of evolution and the desperate hand-waving of creationists.
Mod me down for flamebait but isn't about time we stop pretending that these are just two flavors of truth and you have the option of picking one or the other. IMAX theaters in science museums shouldn't show creationism, as it's not science. Commercial IMAX owners can make ther own decisions; it's just sad that they choose to knuckle under.

this is why I dont like these kind of people.... (5, Insightful)

Mark19960 (539856) | more than 9 years ago | (#11995729)

First off, I am not a religious person.
But, this is my gripe with them...

If I had a conversation with one of these people, they want you to embrace their way of thinking... OK fine.

Yet, when I try to peddle MY truth, its immediately too much to handle, so not right and so horrible they wont hear it.

I am in the south. This is how these people are.
but, then they are quick to call themselves open minded. YEAH RIGHT.

If I cant tell you my truth, and have you at least LISTEN, your not open minded. your a closed minded fool that doesnt deserve to breathe air. its that simple.

All I ask of these people, is to meet us all half way here. they dont have to like it, and they dont have to agree with it.
but saying they are 'good, understanding people' is a REAL stretch.

They DO NOT have to go see these movies....
yet, they boycott their presence. thats not open minded... that is just religion attempting world domination. their way or the highway.

Go watch the documentaries. I do.
Rebel against religious zealots. ....as I watch my Karma plummet....

Another loss for American culture (5, Insightful)

puppyfox (833883) | more than 9 years ago | (#11995735)

It keeps happening! The "PC" culture of this country keeps destroying what's left of the free thought that was painfully conquered a long time ago (I'm not even going to go into free speech).

It's a battle on two fronts: the religious lobbyist that do things like hindering the teaching of science in schools, and the large corporations that would do anything not to offend anyone for fear of losing a few bucks.

How do they get away with it? Why don't people say "oh this is horrid, no more IMAX for me". We just can't be bothered anymore: the PC rants (if you say something controversial YOU are at fault), the lack of any real political debates (besides minor economical and odd moral-related issues) since the outlawing of Communism and any other non-majority view, and of course the the vultures of the media that keeps feeding on this whole thing (WHY show that piece about "evolution is just a theory" over and over?).

I'm an European, and I have no voice in what the American people decide to do, but it's their lack of action and ignorance of the issues at hand that makes me heed this warning: how soon until the free-flying politicians and corporations will do all they wish while you're too busy watching TV? You may have these comfy lives forever, with no blood or guilt on your own hands, but one day you may find yourselves unwilling free citizens of what you yourself would name an "evil empire" if you were on the other side.

Good grief... (0, Troll)

dazza101 (828114) | more than 9 years ago | (#11995736)

Has the religous looney right become so powerful that they really have this sort of influence in the US? Thank god I live in Canada...

Nothing like good old self-censorship... (0, Offtopic)

creimer (824291) | more than 9 years ago | (#11995739)

When I was in a non-denominational Christian campus ministry during my college years, the guys got invited over by the campus minister's house to watch an R-rated video tape. While he was stuck on the phone, he told us to watch a nature video tape instead since the R-rated video tape had some nudity and sexuality that he wanted to fast forward through. Turns out the nature video tape featured the sexual habits of porcupines [fishbc.com] . Needless to say, we learned a lot that night. :)

People can't handle unvarnished truth... (1)

robw810 (819414) | more than 9 years ago | (#11995745)

Why is it that facts are so controversial?

Whether you BELIEVE that x event has/will happen(ed) does NOT change whether x event did/will indeed happen(ed).

I'm disappointed in IMax - I've always loved their shows...

RW

"Science" centers minus the science... (1)

Mr Z (6791) | more than 9 years ago | (#11995748)

I vote we start controversy pointing out that many of these "science centers" (such as the one here in Ft Worth) are taking the science out. A sort-of fight-fire-with-fire approach.

Then again, it'd be like any argument with a fool. They'll drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience.... In this case, it's the science-heads vs. the fundies, and somehow I don't think the science-heads will win by throwing a temper tantrum like the fundies did.

Maybe we should study some Chick tracts [chick.com] to get an idea of what their playbook is... (Ok, so I'm feeling a little snarky tonight.)

--Joe

Seems like a trumped up excuse (0, Troll)

DumbSwede (521261) | more than 9 years ago | (#11995750)

These all sound like fine films I would like to see. I take it with a grain of salt the Loony Religious Right is what is preventing the screening. I'm an agnostic socially liberal individual, but this seems like a very oblique attack by the anti-Bush leftist elite. Lets frame something in the way of a censorship crisis, blame the far right for it and by extension the Bush administration. Both sides play this game, so please don't paint me as a Bush apologist. Just sayin' the left is having a hard time coping with the Bush reelection.

Has an aside, nothing would get IMAX theaters crowded like having a bunch of loons protesting science themed movies would. In fact we should hope this happens as it might finally get the general public interested in science.

Explanation for Rejection of Volcano Film (1)

smartperson (657811) | more than 9 years ago | (#11995751)

When I first read this, I wasn't sure about why this would be rejected, then I understood: The film shows the extreme varieties of life that exist in extreme environments. Most certainly this film also talks about how the animals evolved to thrive in these unusual places, and therefore the theatres turned down this film.

Scary (1)

datafr0g (831498) | more than 9 years ago | (#11995759)

Carol Murray, director of marketing for the Fort Worth Museum of Science and History, said the museum decided not to offer the movie after showing it to a sample audience, a practice often followed by managers of Imax theaters. Ms. Murray said 137 people participated in the survey, and while some thought it was well done, "some people said it was blasphemous."

There's something very very wrong with parts of the world today...

I wish this passage was in the bible:
Keep thy religion to thyself.

Gotta love George Carlins version of the 10 Commandments...

Science (5, Insightful)

panxerox (575545) | more than 9 years ago | (#11995761)

As a thinking christian (as opposed to the new moronic version of christian) I really despair of this childish rejection of reality (science). Religion has lived with the reality of the world around them for a very long time. I believe now in this time of deep denial about the changing landscape of America and an uncertain future that the more unstable elements in many sects see the rejection of science as somehow bolstering there own flagging faith. A faith that if real in these people would easily be able to encompass science as a wonder of God and not a challenge to him.

Re:Science (2, Insightful)

Vegeta99 (219501) | more than 9 years ago | (#11995784)

Disclaimer: I am Catholic, and therefore Christian.

TRUST me, there is nothing NEW about a moronic Christian. They've been around for CENTURIES, if not millenia. Pick up any ol' history book.

This is where Maher and I agree. (0, Flamebait)

Facekhan (445017) | more than 9 years ago | (#11995771)

Religion is a mental illness.

It's all down hill from here (4, Insightful)

l0ungeb0y (442022) | more than 9 years ago | (#11995773)

It seems this neo-conservatism is nothing more than some Fanatical Religious front not unlike the Muslim Fundamentalists Washington likes to demonize as the root of Terrorism.

All this crap about faith based this and faith based that coming out of the whitehouse and with a president who openly claims to have a mandate from God... Uhh... I was gonna talk about church and state but, am I the only one here that thinks the President is fucking batshit loco?

But it's a good thing! Really! Lets embrace our freedom to express fundamentalist Christian religion! Lets ban any science that goes "too far" into ethical grey areas for religious pundits to swallow, lets get the federal government to force a tube down a vegetable's throat... it's nice to have a "conservative" government that wants to regulate our way of life. The Founding Fathers would be proud at this emerging christian police state. And if you voted for Bush I bet you're damn proud too.

Re:It's all down hill from here (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11995818)

It seems this neo-conservatism is nothing more than some Fanatical Religious front not unlike the Muslim Fundamentalists Washington likes to demonize as the root of Terrorism.


I guess when I show up with an AK47 to stop the showing of one of these movies, you may then and only then lump us into some category with terrorists. If it was anywhere near that point as it was in IRAQ and Afghanistan, someone like you would of already been drawn and quartered in a public place, just for opening your mouth.

Evolution offensive? (3, Informative)

tji (74570) | more than 9 years ago | (#11995776)

Apparently some people were offended by brief mentions of evolution in the documentary about volcanoes (it covered the harsh conditions in the undersea vents, and the life there).

from the article:

"some people said it was blasphemous."

In their written comments, she explained, they made statements like "I really hate it when the theory of evolution is presented as fact," or "I don't agree with their presentation of human existence."

Controversy = Exposure (2, Insightful)

aspx (808539) | more than 9 years ago | (#11995777)

Controversy = Exposure
Exposure = Money

Why are they scared to show the movies again?

conservatism in the USA (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11995783)

i'm a canadian and one of my instructors told the class about birth rate studies that have shown higher birth rates among conservatives and lower birth rates among people who are liberals. (can anyone provide a link??)
They said that this could fuel the conservative movement in the united states and increase the tension between the united states and other countries (such as canada) who tend to be more progressive.

Is this just the beginning of conservative america? Are there any americans scared by the power and influence religion has your country? What of the seperation of church and state?

Hilarious. (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11995790)

They will show a movie like Constantine, which portrays the angel Gabriel switching sides and making a deal with Satan, but they won't show a film that might contain evolutionary theory. Too funny.

Fuck the Bible-thumpers (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11995794)

They're all protesting outside Terri Schiavo's hospice for the next week, so there's a brief window of opportunity for us to sneak in other stuff they don't approve of while they're all busy.

organized religion is spiritual zombification (5, Insightful)

circletimessquare (444983) | more than 9 years ago | (#11995810)

you don't get love from a whorehouse.

likewise, you don't get spirituality from a church/ temple/ mosque.

but that is ok, because just as there are some who will never know real love due to intellectual or character issues, and therefore need whorehouses to sake their lust that would otherwise drive them insane or drive them to commit horrendous crimes on the street, so to are their spiritual pinheads in this world who need churches/ temples/ mosques to give answer to their doubts and fears, so they don't commit horrible atrocities of spiritual void.

so the lowest common denominator empty pap we call organized religion is vile, but still necessary. just like whorehouses.

we don't want ugly or crude men raping women on the streets and we don't want small-spirited people walking around without a sense of morality or a human conscience. if they don't have the spiritual backbone to decide right or wrong, or find the basic goodness in human existence on their own, well then please, let the church turn them into sheep. better sheep than demons without a sense of social responsibility or a clue as to their relationship to human society and the idea of a greater good.

however, when these spiritual pinheads band together and try to gain political power and enforce their narrowminded interpretation of human nature on everyone else, including those who are spiritually sound on their own, they need to be stopped. in many ways, the consolidation of spiritual pinheads into organized religion and then their subsequent desire to see all of humanity fall in lockstep to their blind interpretation of a given creed is unavoidable, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't head them off at the pass and continually deny them political power over the rest of us who are spiritually grounded all on our very own.

so organized religion should not be stopped, it is useful to the health of society by satisfying the spiritual needs of those who can't do that on their own. organized religion and the fruits of its passion is even enjoyable in the way a quaint parade in a rural backwards town is enjoyable to a tourist.

but the cost of accepting that means we must be forever and eternally vigilant that the church, the mosque, and the temple never ever enjoy political power. lest they doom the rest of us to the spiritual zombification that is organized religion.

This is good (4, Funny)

cgenman (325138) | more than 9 years ago | (#11995813)

It's a good thing too. Whenever science conflicts with preconcieved notions, the only polite thing to do is hide the science. After all, offending or presenting notions contrary to popular belief is not the role of the museum curator.

Of course, these museums should be patted on the back for doing the right thing despite the obvious monetary benefits to the contrary. They bit the bullet and avoided the temptation to draw controversy, protesters, and the rise in ticket sales that such media attention brings. Then there are the side issues of overcrowding, parking, and a loss of focus on their scientific and educational mission that such things would bring.

Now we can all safely go back to teaching our children that the creatures at the sulfurous vents at the bottom of the ocean are really demons escaping from hell, souls so small that they slipped through Satan's ever present but large and chubby fingers.

And on a side note, we're all doomed.

God damn it (1)

Elpacoloco (69306) | more than 9 years ago | (#11995814)

Evolution IS fact. It's been scientifically accepted for something like 100 years, and has defeated every serious challenge to date.

Just because YOU feel insulted that you are the descendant of (essentially) pond scum doesn't make it not true.

We're going to be a nation of idiots in the biological field if we keep this crap up. :(

A shame (1)

vistic (556838) | more than 9 years ago | (#11995826)

I always enjoyed the many numerous field trips to the Omnitheater at the Science Museum of Minnesota I went on as a kid... those movies were cool... and definitely sparked an interest in science.

I assume theaters like that would still show science movies obviously... but maybe the local Imax at the mall won't be showing it.

Sad. I would actually go to the Imax for the first time here if they showed a good science film.

Let's All Pray... (2, Funny)

Goo.cc (687626) | more than 9 years ago | (#11995828)

that the rapture happens soon. These damn Christians are getting on my nerves.

Minorities... (1)

whichpaul (733708) | more than 9 years ago | (#11995829)

Gee, it must be a pretty BIG '... handful of religous fundamentalists ...' for IMAX to cancel the films. I wonder if the NY times editor is as 'open minded' as some of our slashdot readers. ;)

Secularists: it's our fault. (5, Insightful)

Jerk City Troll (661616) | more than 9 years ago | (#11995832)

While this article discusses something limited in scope (thanks for the spin, Slashfaux), this is becoming more and more common. But who is to blame? We (secularists and freethinkers) are.

We refuse to affiliate or support organisations which champion our cause. We refuse to be sufficiently vocal about matters of importance to us. We refuse, at the very least, to put our money where our mouths are.

Let me tell you, with absolute certainty, that the religious fundamentalists are more than happy to do all these things.

So, when are we going to step up and demand an end to this nonsense?
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