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U.S. House Votes to Extend Patriot Act

CowboyNeal posted more than 9 years ago | from the get-used-to-it dept.

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Rick Zeman writes "In the wake of today's 4 dud bombings in London, the U.S. House has voted to extend the Patriot Act by a vote of 257-171. This includes 10-year extensions to the two other provisions set to expire on December 31, one allowing roving wiretaps, and another allowing searches of library and medical records."

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Allow me to be the first (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13131732)

to welcome our new American Overlords

Re:Allow me to be the first (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13131836)

http://digg.com/ [digg.com]

It's like Slashdot, only without the disgusting gays, and like del.icio.us, only without the AJAX-Ruby-On-Rails-finger-in-ass-wiggling monkeys

obligatory (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13131734)

I, for one, welcome our new republican overlords

::sigh:: (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13131738)

Bye-Bye, Freedom. /FP?

It's for the children! (5, Insightful)

00Monkey (264977) | more than 9 years ago | (#13131739)

Gotta love the excuses that cost us our freedoms...

Re:It's for the children! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13131766)

If you're not doing anything wrong, you have absolutely nothing to fear from the Patriot Act. Hence me not being worried about it. I'm not planning on blowing anything up so I have nothing to fear.

Re:It's for the children! (0, Troll)

bhirsch (785803) | more than 9 years ago | (#13131791)

Don't you know how fundamental a right it is check out communist literature anonymously from public libraries? Our right to breathe will be next!

Re:It's for the children! (1)

dmaxwell (43234) | more than 9 years ago | (#13131823)

The problem is that the definition of "something wrong" will be drawn ever more widely by right wingnuts.

It won't get any better. (2, Interesting)

GrandTurismoOmologat (873242) | more than 9 years ago | (#13131779)

As the ratio of people per square mile increases, the rights of that population decreases. It is a harsh reality.

Re:It's for the children! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13131894)

I'd like to see you protect the children from attacks where terrorists throw library books at the children they know have weak hearts.

Re:It's for the children! (-1)

Golias (176380) | more than 9 years ago | (#13131920)

Here's the thing about PATRIOT (and RICO, for that matter.)

If you want to explain to me, in theory, how somebody's rights could be violated as a result of government powers enumerated in these laws, I can't argue. There are definitely a lot of things in the language of them which scare the living piss out of me, and they probably should.

However, whenever anybody is asked to site a case in which some poor schmuck actually got shafted by these laws, they suddenly fall silent. This leads one to think that all these dust-ups over PATRIOT amount to nothing more than a tempest in a tea-kettle. Life in America will probably go on as it always had, and should a case come up where PATRIOT actually runs afoul of the Constitution in an actual instance of somebody's rights being actually violated, one would hope that the courts would take the opportunity to sort it out.

Of far greater concern to me is the eminent domain ruling which the Supreme Court made last month. Holy fucking shit. Land owners were getting the shaft in some states prior to this ruling, but it is now officially established as perfectly constitutional for your local government to fuck you out of your home or farm for the sake of some developer who they are sweet on at the moment. I say it's high time we all push for a new amendment to cover this shit the way we used to think the Bill of Rights already did.


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Fear Wins Again (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13131743)

Maybe the terrorists have already won.

Re:Fear Wins Again (5, Insightful)

FredAkbar (871106) | more than 9 years ago | (#13131909)

I was going to say the same thing. The terrorists have won again, not because they killed 50 people with some bus bombings, or 2,000 people with a few planes, but because their random acts of murder make our leaders think that they can make the world a better place by taking away freedoms.

Our governments have taken away far more freedoms from us than the terrorists ever have. Good job, terrorists: mission accomplished.

Homer said it best... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13131744)


Conspiracy theories anyone? (1)

amigabill (146897) | more than 9 years ago | (#13131745)

So, how many tinfoil hat types do we have wondering if the London thing today was a staged engouragment to pass the bill? :)

Re:Conspiracy theories anyone? (1)

stimpleton (732392) | more than 9 years ago | (#13131812)

Probably the same amount that found it curious that the first attack might have been done to distract the G8 summit away from poverty like a $20 street hooker waving "Yoo-hoo, boys!" to some sailors in a port town.

This terror thing needs to be tangible to sell it to the people.
It needed specific actions, and specific names to to give the whole thing crediability. London did that.

You can only peddle theories and non-entities for so long.

Re:Conspiracy theories anyone? (1)

macdaddy357 (582412) | more than 9 years ago | (#13131816)

You don't need to be a tinfoil hat type to suspect that those who want more power(Bush, Blair etc.) and not "moozlim ayrab terrists" did this. Any reasonable person should suspect it.

Re:Conspiracy theories anyone? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13131862)

Any reasonable person should suspect it.

Any paranoid person, maybe.

Re:Conspiracy theories anyone? (1)

Xoro (201854) | more than 9 years ago | (#13131867)

"Moozlim ayrab terrists" don't want' more power?

PATRIOT coming to Europe (3, Insightful)

Wizzmer (862755) | more than 9 years ago | (#13131871)

The London attacks will bring PATRIOT style legislation to Europe. We're talking mandatory data retention, search warrants without probable cause, and confiscations without the need to inform the suspect. In Sweden there is talk about breaking down the barrier between law enforcement and the military. In Italy they're talking about allowing interrogation without a laywer present. All the stuff we wouldn't normally accept. The bombs may have struck London, but their effect will soon be known to everyone in the EU.

It doesn't matter if they really did it or not (2, Insightful)

Neoncow (802085) | more than 9 years ago | (#13131908)

They'll use it to their advantage. 1) The London attacks did not happen on US soil. Therefore the measures taken MUST HAVE WORKED ("this rock keeps tigers away"). 2) Conveniently, the war on terror will never be over. Therefore we should extend the patriot act for as long as damn well possible.

Re:Conspiracy theories anyone? (2, Interesting)

bombastinator (812664) | more than 9 years ago | (#13131919)

I thought about it. My theory went that they had real terrorist do it by getting ahold of the communications system the cell was using and co opting their controller. It has been a classic technique in almost every war the US and Israel have fought since WWII. the 1969 war with Egypt was a classic example. See who says Bush had to do it? This way we get even more shadowy groups involved! 8D

So we got the CIA and Mossad, Can anyone come up with a third gunman? It is traditional.

Talkin' bout a revolution (4, Insightful)

Alien Being (18488) | more than 9 years ago | (#13131749)

The Dem's sound bite on this is that they support the extension, but they have some "concerns" about civil liberties. Gee, thanks a shitload for giving us absolutely nowhere to turn to for sanity in this country. I apologize to the few honest politicians left out there for saying that the entire system is fucked.

They're also trying to make hay by criticizing the war in Iraq. But where the fuck were they before we, for the first time in history, started a war where none already existed?

Fuck you, Bill Clinton, for demeaning the office of President in such a way that infinitely corrupt GW could trick a bunch of right wing zealots to vote for him despite the pain he has caused.

Re:Talkin' bout a revolution (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13131774)

simple! move to Canada !;)

Re:Talkin' bout a revolution (1)

superpulpsicle (533373) | more than 9 years ago | (#13131789)

Just beware... somewhere in the 300+ pages of patriot act it saids in tiny size 1 WingDing Fonts, that Bush can come over your house and have a republican party any time he wants.

Honest politican wha? When are they going to launch an MTV version of politician-real-world so people know wtf is really going on.

Re:Talkin' bout a revolution (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13131829)

Take a deep breath, sit down, pick up the phone and call your local community college for an Anger Management class.

Re:Talkin' bout a revolution (1)

Alien Being (18488) | more than 9 years ago | (#13131918)

Fuck that, I'm managing my anger at this situation just fine, thank you.

Re:Talkin' bout a revolution (1)

randallpowell (842587) | more than 9 years ago | (#13131890)

Exactly. If Dems don't like it, don't vote for it. Fucking idiots. Makes me want to enter politics.

Democrats are wusses ("Dude, where's my country?") (1)

plasmacutter (901737) | more than 9 years ago | (#13131925)

Moore himself berated democrats for being utter wusses.. refusing to stand up for their values, and becomming nothing more than bland republicans themselves. It is their fault.. they caved to the smear campaign engineered by the right-winged media outlets and gae up... the guardians have left the gates open and taken a long nap.

Says Government to The People (3, Funny)

DoctorPhish (626559) | more than 9 years ago | (#13131752)


Another knee-jerk reaction (2, Interesting)

ogl_codemonkey (706920) | more than 9 years ago | (#13131753)

didn't want those civil liberties anyway.

We're Screwed (1)

MikeD03C (766484) | more than 9 years ago | (#13131754)

There goes the neighborhood.

Scoreboard (4, Insightful)

NilObject (522433) | more than 9 years ago | (#13131756)

"The terrorists will never succeed in taking away our freedoms and civil liberties!"

Well, technically, they're using our own politicians to accomplish that, if that is indeed their goal. Now that is a feat: getting your enemy to obtain your goal for you.

Re:Scoreboard (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13131837)

But that's the central goal of terrorism: to lower one's enemy's morale and disrupt said enemy's way of life. The government, which doesn't want to admit that it is all but impossible to stop determined terrorism, shoves shit like the PATRIOT (clever name) act at us to make security moms feel safer. The sad part is, there are people who still believe that the PATRIOT act has prevented countless acts of terrorism.

You see, the terrorists wanted Bush to be re-elected to ensure their own safety (has anyone even mentioned bin-Laden recently?) and to ensure that America remains in a state of panic.

Re:Scoreboard (4, Insightful)

EnronHaliburton2004 (815366) | more than 9 years ago | (#13131870)

Now that is a feat: getting your enemy to obtain your goal for you.

By politics or terror, bombs or rules, the goals of many politicians and religious terrorists are one in the same: It's about control-- imposing their will onto yours.

Re:Scoreboard (1, Insightful)

Quasar1999 (520073) | more than 9 years ago | (#13131880)

When will the Americans learn that there is no freedom and civil liberty, it's all just an elaborate illusion setup by the government to control the population...

Of course being a Canadian, I know what real freedom is... I can watch anything I want on TV, so long as it's Canadian. I can listen to anything I want on the Radio, so long as it's Canadian. I can smoke anywhere I want, so long as it's not inside or near a building, other than my own house (for now at least). And don't even get me started about this DST crap!

Ah yes... all these great freedoms... screw terrorists, our own governments are herding us around like cattle... we're so desensitized to it that we just don't notice anymore... and when we do notice a huge change, we blame it on it being a necessary thing to defend against the great unknown (aka terrorists)...

I'm now waiting for the men in black to show up at my door for some mandatory brain washing... err... I mean re-integration with normal society... time for some behaviour modifying pills to be crammed down my throat!

Re:Scoreboard (1)

cygnus (17101) | more than 9 years ago | (#13131915)

"the terrorists" that i know about, those being those affiliated with "Al Qaeda" (which was a name invented by the U.S. Government, look it up) really don't give two damns about the patriot act. they want the US to withdraw its forces from Muslim holy lands, and they want to depose many Middle Eastern governments in favor of more Islamist ones. and they're quite vocal in saying so, if you read any of their pronouncements.

let's not misapprehend the aims of the people who seek to destroy us... it lessens our ability to counter their goals.

Not yet extended (4, Insightful)

Blutarsky (580739) | more than 9 years ago | (#13131759)

Yes, the house voted to extend it, but it still has to make it through the senate, which will be an interesting process.
I'm just interested in seeing how quickly the conspiracy theorist start spewing stories about how the U.S. was involved in this because only the detonators went off.

Re:Not yet extended (1)

Alien Being (18488) | more than 9 years ago | (#13131793)

"an interesting process"

Yeah, I'm sure they'll give us quite a show before they plug us in the ass. They're wearing us down. It's about time that we show them who the real Patriots were.

Ben Franklin would have punched Bush right in the kisser.

So this is how liberty dies (5, Insightful)

Approaching.sanity (889047) | more than 9 years ago | (#13131761)

To cheers and thunderous applause.

Re:So this is how liberty dies (2, Funny)

william_w_bush (817571) | more than 9 years ago | (#13131825)

I am sorry, the line doesn't quite work without Natalie Portman.

Few women could make reading the king james bible into a blockbuster.

Diana moon glampers. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13131762)

That one was a doozy.

Could it be? (1)

bhirsch (785803) | more than 9 years ago | (#13131763)

The Vast Right Wing Conspiracy strikes again!

"with liberty for just us not all" (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13131765)


I think we should be writing the FBI about these senators' potential terrorist links.. let them choke on their own laws for a while.

G-d blessed america.. too bad this isn't america anymore... maybe "repubica".. or.."kermudgeonia" would be a better name for it.

WTF?? (1)

saleenS281 (859657) | more than 9 years ago | (#13131768)

I'm kind of wondering why there were no "electronic protests" going on. Why is it we had the million man march for the broadcast flag but not a peep for this? Am I the only one confused?

I would've been first in line to say something about this had I known...

**note: if there was something and I missed it feel free to point it out, because that is very likely.

Re:WTF?? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13131821)

Why do you have to wait for somebody else to start something?

Re:WTF?? (1)

saleenS281 (859657) | more than 9 years ago | (#13131898)

apparently you can't read, or just chose to ignore the part where I said I had no clue this was up for renewal. Kind of hard to "do something" when you have no clue the event is taking place.

Re:WTF?? (1)

Blutarsky (580739) | more than 9 years ago | (#13131832)

EFF Action page [eff.org]

They'll never stop CORE (1)

TRIEventHorizon (744457) | more than 9 years ago | (#13131769)

Hello scene members and fans of


(C)hallenge (O)f (R)everse (E)ngineering

CORE has broken the 10.000 releases barrier (over 6700 keymakers).
We are very proud that we have achieved this goal and we would
like to thank everyone who helped CORE on its way to one of the
top positions in scene's hall of fame.

When we introduced a lot of internal standards to the scene no-
one thought that a lot of CORE's intern rules would become
later scene standard. Siteops called me crazy when I dropped all
Couriers and encouraged a complete script-based release system.
Core's X-Release system was born and our scripter has done an
awesome job over the years by developing scene's best release
system. It's probably the most complex release-system ever
created. And look at today's groups - everyone is using pre-
scripts on the sites which is today just a small part of our
release system.

Even tho one may question the time we've wasted nights over
nights by bringing the end-user software for free, I have to say
that we had a lot of fun. And we received in our best times about
several hundred emails per day from all over the world. In the
last 2 years especially mails from countries like India, China,
african states, south american states, etc. reached us! A lot
of people thanked us for providing them keygenerators for free-
registrations as they would have never been able to afford the
license fees.When we messed a crack up, we always tried to fix it
(at least in 99% of the cases).

We opened sub-divisions like COREUTiL for fun to annoy old-school
"util" groups when they opened their mouth too wide. I remember
the days when we raced PWA with the finals of Win98SE,Office 2000
and Windows 2k (all versions) - and we did win the race. PWA was
totally suprised - even their intern was- hehe. Well, it was pure
stress and I'm happy that these times are over for me.

We opened COREPDA to enhance our free-service onto the pda scene.
Later other groups followed the groupnamePDA example.

All in all CORE just had about 2-3 bigger (but short) flame wars
with other groups (usually when other groups did steal/rip our
keygens), which is pretty low for that long time - probably
because I've kept CORE always very silent & underground.

I guess no other group got more threats and flames from program-
mers, BSA, SPA, etc. CORE was subject in several news magazine
articles, but our members always stayed out of the public. And I
guess no other group stopped more often cracking a specific
product's future versions than we did - when an author asked us
nicely. I won't enter now the discussion about what's wrong or
right - a lot about cracking is wrong - a lot about cracking is
right. It always depends on your point of view.

I would like to congratulate everyone involved into the process
of developing the CORE idea.Our best times are over for sure - no
need to deny that (we've lost a lot of people simply due normal
development in people's lives), but the fact that we still exist
functional as such a small group (low number of members) proves
how perfect CORE got build up as an optimal scene group.

The warez/cracking scene is a place where you can have a lot of
fun. But it's also a dirty hole where you always meet people that
try to commercialise warez once they smell money. You also meet
people with lot of other criminal energies that do really bad
stuff besides warez/cracking/whatever you want to call it. So,
try to be a normal guy beside your software-madness and don't
shut your eyes - always accept reality and don't get lost in
illusions about power. The scene loves to forget about its own
past. But scene is like a circle - everything repeats after some
time. There are just some very rare exceptions - and I think CORE
is/was one of them.

One day we will simply disapear by closing down our factory. That
day is not today nor tomorrow nor next week. But it will come
sooner or later. I hope that you all enjoyed our work. Take care!

Best regards

The CORE leader


If you aren't doing anything illegal... (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13131772)

...then why the hell are you complaining?

It's the principle... (1)

Sr. Pato (900333) | more than 9 years ago | (#13131861)

I may not care who sees the list of books I check out from the library, but I like knowing that the privacy is there. Required or not.

ZOMG! (5, Funny)

Sr. Pato (900333) | more than 9 years ago | (#13131773)

Hm, maybe I should brush up on my national anthems.

Oh, Canada,
Our home and native land,...

Re:ZOMG! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13131833)

It's just O, not Oh.

Re:ZOMG! (1)

william_w_bush (817571) | more than 9 years ago | (#13131855)

uhh dude, you got any room and maybe a beer over there?

uhh, i've got a prescription for my glaucoma too, wink wink.

Come early... (1)

Sr. Pato (900333) | more than 9 years ago | (#13131901)

If you hurry, we might be able to stuff you somewhere in Nunavut. If you get friendly with the locals, you'll find an infinite supply of firewater and marrywanna.

Well damn. (1)

BigChigger (551094) | more than 9 years ago | (#13131777)

Would it make you feel better if the bombs had not been duds?


Lets hope his only affects you if... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13131778)

You are caught renewing your subscription of Nuclear bomb making for dummies.

Hmmm. (4, Interesting)

Rew190 (138940) | more than 9 years ago | (#13131781)

"The people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same way in any country." -Adolph Hitler

"Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. " -Benjamin Franklin

Re:Hmmm. (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13131850)

I think you are looking for this quote...

"Of course the people don't want war. But after all, it's the leaders of the country who determine the policy, and it's always a simple matter to drag the people along whether it's a democracy, a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism, and exposing the country to greater danger." -- Herman Goering at the Nuremberg trials

Re:Hmmm. (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13131874)

Wrong attribution, the first quote is from Hermann Göring during his trial as a war criminal. Checked in wikiquote to ensure greater accuracy. There is more material that expands the meaning of the quote significantly on the site: http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Hermann_G%C3%B6ring [wikiquote.org]

This isn't a troll (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13131882)

Say what you want about those two quotes... kneejerk Godwin's law if you want. But to call them a troll? Those two quotes sum up a very real problem with human society, past and present. Perhaps we'll move beyond this, someday.

But if people honestly think this is "trolling", then I guess that day is a long way in the future.

Re:Hmmm. (1)

drakethegreat (832715) | more than 9 years ago | (#13131883)

Could someone explain to me how quoting historical figures is being a troll? I can vouch that they aren't made up cause I have read them before.

Re:Hmmm. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13131884)

It looks like the PC moderators are out with their troll rating again.

Take your troll ratings with pride for they come from those who would side with our enemies to dismantle the shining city on the hill.

Re:Hmmm. (1)

aaza (635147) | more than 9 years ago | (#13131885)

not hitler, but one of his men (can't remember which, don't want to look it up from work). It was said to a reporter at Nuremburg (sp?), but not actually during the proceedings.

Re:Hmmm. (4, Informative)

uncoveror (570620) | more than 9 years ago | (#13131886)

Hitler did not say that, one of his right hand men, Hermann Goering said it at Nuremberg. That is a good quote if you use it correctly. Read more here. [snopes.com]

Re:Hmmm. (2, Informative)

ThaFooz (900535) | more than 9 years ago | (#13131892)

If you're going to troll, you could at least site properly.

"The people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same way in any country." - Hermann Goering, not Hitler.

This one has been quoted (and misquoted) a lot these days. Snopes [snopes.com]

When is the last time a bad law was repealed ? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13131787)

Think about it, when was the last time a bad law was repealed ? When the Republicans took congress under the Contract With America they repealed a bunch of crap. Unless it involves a lot of congressmen losing their jobs, it doesn't happen.

With only a handful of exceptions, this is the same congress that passed the Patriot Act without reading it the first time around. Why would you expect them to do differently this time ?

Library records? (4, Funny)

nmoog (701216) | more than 9 years ago | (#13131794)

Dang, they've taken out the libraries... If only there was some other place I could find subversive information...

Re:Library records? (1)

william_w_bush (817571) | more than 9 years ago | (#13131877)

google al-quada operations manual. It would be funny if it weren't so damn scary, though I'm not sure if its still circulating.

In the words of Homer! (0, Troll)

jav1231 (539129) | more than 9 years ago | (#13131797)


Re:In the words of Homer! (1)

Mr. Mikey (17567) | more than 9 years ago | (#13131841)

Bored and trolling, are we?

I'm sure you'll find what you're looking for at www.FreeRepublic.com... perhaps you should be posting there instead?

Re:In the words of Homer! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13131910)

Where's the "-5, Prick" moderation when you need it?

Grr. (1)

mind21_98 (18647) | more than 9 years ago | (#13131804)

I'm speechless. I really can't think of anything to say without being irrational and ranting, so I won't. I'm just sad for the current state of affairs and the world as a whole, and I just want the pain everywhere in the world to end. My thoughts and prayers go out to everyone injured or killed in terrorist incidents, and I pray that we find a rational way to stop terrorists without resorting to a secret government.

Should have added a guarantee (3, Insightful)

digitalgimpus (468277) | more than 9 years ago | (#13131805)

Why not?

If there is a terrorist bombing, we get money back (taxes).

Hold lawmakers accountable, so they create laws specifically for the purpose of prevention, not so they can brag about baseless legislation.

Americans know to look for a guarantee or a warranty on things... why do we hold manufacturers to these standards, but not self absorbed politicians.

I say we need a money back guarantee. If this fails in the next 10 years, we get refunded tax money.

If Apple can get attacked legally for iPod batteries that eventually don't hold their charge (because that's so serious), why not hold politicians in that type of arrangement?

Are iPod batteries more valued than safety?

/hates politics and stupid people with no priorities or ability to think for themselves.

Check Who Voted What (4, Informative)

aarku (151823) | more than 9 years ago | (#13131807)

Check this webpage [loc.gov] for the record of who voted what, whenever they get around to putting it online. That's what I was linked to by my local representative's site.

The Power of Nightmares (4, Informative)

NZheretic (23872) | more than 9 years ago | (#13131809)

If you have not seen Adam Curtis' documentary "The Power of Nightmares" then
Download the three episodes from the Internet Archive.org [archive.org] and SEE THEM.

Even if you do not agree with his conclusion, the historical background will give you a far clearer picture of the reality of the situation.

From the article... (1)

steelfood (895457) | more than 9 years ago | (#13131811)

"'Periodically revisiting the Patriot Act is a good thing,' said Rep. Martin Meehan, D-Massachusetts. 'The Patriot Act was an effort to answer the most difficult question a democracy faces: How much freedom are we willing to give up to feel safe?'"

The answer to that question should be none. We cannot give up any freedom just to feel safe, or, for that matter, to even be safe.

On the other hand, it's about time people start realizing freedom is something they'll have to fight for--if they even want it anymore that is.

"Extend the Patriot Act" (4, Insightful)

Captain Pringle (893220) | more than 9 years ago | (#13131813)

"the US House has voted to extend the Patriot Act"

If I'm reading the article right, I'd say "extend" isn't quite strong enough of a word:

From the article: "The bulk of the back-and-forth centered on language making permanent 14 of 16 provisions that had four-year sunset provisions under the original law..."

I have to strongly agree with the critics mentioned in the article, who "said the sunsets were wisely inserted amid the inflamed passions following the September 11 attacks, and should be retained to assess the long-term impact of the law."

Guess the House didn't think so.

Re:"Extend the Patriot Act" (2, Insightful)

jcwren (166164) | more than 9 years ago | (#13131888)

I think this demonstrates just how ineffective and pointless these laws are. If the laws survived on their own, they would easily be renewed every time the sunset provision expired. The mere fact they chose to "extend" (make semi-permanent) these laws just says they have no merit.

You're kidding? (1)

Deanasc (201050) | more than 9 years ago | (#13131815)

Is anyone really supprised by this move? We need to start getting ready to exercise the second ammendment.

F#*% (1)

Nissmo (888996) | more than 9 years ago | (#13131817)

all your freedoms are belong to us* *us meaning the United States gov.

Calm down people... (4, Informative)

Paladin144 (676391) | more than 9 years ago | (#13131828)

It has not yet cleared the Senate, and when it does, the bills will need to be reconciled:

A competing bill also has been approved by the Senate Intelligence Committee, which would give the FBI expanded powers to subpoena records without the approval of a judge or grand jury. That ensured further Senate talks on the terrorism-fighting measure. The House legislation will also have to be reconciled with whatever emerges from the Senate.

So, let's use this time effectively. Get the word out, and contact your senator. The PATRIOT Act will probably pass, but we can at least try to get ammendments to it that will protect civil liberties while still allowing different law enforcement agencies to work with each other. While I would prefer not to have the PATRIOT act pass, we'd be better off with a bill that protects privacy and prevents racial profiling.

Personally, I think we should allow it to expire and start over. Many bits are useful, but let's have more emphasis on protecting American rights/liberties. And come on - who named this thing? What an awful, divisive name; it implies that anyone who opposes it is unpatriotic, which is complete horseshit. Name the act for what it does, not for cheap political points.

Looking into my crystal ball... (1)

s000t (894190) | more than 9 years ago | (#13131830)

I see the movie Hackers coming true...50 FBI rushing into our rooms as we are alleged hackers/spoofers/or even /.'ers. They'll try to make us out like terrorists and hang us out to dry. I sure hope the senate votes better than the house!

Warm & Fuzzy (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13131831)

I just got that warm feeling of safety washing over me.

No, wait. I just PISSED MYSELF in fear.

Woo (1)

NitsujTPU (19263) | more than 9 years ago | (#13131840)

and another allowing searches of library and medical records

Yeah, but at least we live in the land of the free... where we don't have to worry about being controlled by a draconian government, and having our privacy needlessly invaded.

Just another "coincidence" (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13131843)

It stops being a conspiracy theory when all you have are facts.

http://rense.com/Datapages/londonbmb.htm [rense.com]

Patriot Act coming up for revote
England losing support to stay in Iraq
New need to fuel the fight against 'those terrorists'
London just got the olympic bid
The g8 summit.
The orwellian "we can't define the enemy, so we can't define the victory, so we'll just keep an ongoing war against a mythical enemy" syndrome

The list goes on

posted anonymously, because my karma can't take any more hits from those that censor anything that would shatter their world view.

give thanks to the arabs for this one (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13131844)

also give thanks to the arabs for not being able to carry a screwdriver on an airplane anymore. thanks a lot. if it weren't for arab savages, we wouldn't have to live like children.

Jesus titty fucking... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13131845)

Know what it takes to become a politician these days? An IQ less than your shoe size, morals to match Stalin, the individuality of a goddamn sheep and lips well trained in the art of dick-sucking.

I fucking hate these retarded asshats. Every. Single. Fucking. One.

The real quote from the AG. (1)

hobotron (891379) | more than 9 years ago | (#13131849)

"After measured deliberation and a public debate, the House has again provided the brave men and women of law enforcement with critical tools in their efforts to combat terrorism and protect us FROM the American people", Attorney General Alberto Gonzales said in a statement.

How many people were successfully prosecuted AS TERRORISTS under the Patriot Act again?

May I be the first... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13131858)

To say what the fuck.

If you want real freedom, cut taxes (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13131859)

A government without the money to pay for police, armies, and weapons has no power.

If you don't want to cut taxes then don't bitch when the ability to increase government power corrupts those people in power.

Wow, and here I thought... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13131869)

...the US goverment engineered today's London bombings just to get the Karl Rove mess off the front page. It never occurred to me that they'd do it to scare Congress into furthering the conversion of the US into a police state.

Breath of fresh air (1)

poind3xt3r (890661) | more than 9 years ago | (#13131873)

With the http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/07/21/014121 4&tid=126&tid=99 [slashdot.org] Ray Gun to keep out of control "rioters" at bay and listening on "possible terrorists" i can finally put aside all the paranoia live a worry-free life knowning that my governement is "watching" my back.

Terrorism... (4, Interesting)

JustNiz (692889) | more than 9 years ago | (#13131887)

Before he was elected, Bush was actually quoted as saying that he believed the American people had too much freedom.

Terrorism is just being used as an excuse for Bush to remove everyones rights.

Any proof that the Patriot Act actually works? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13131891)

Can congress produce any actual cases of terrorist arrested or attempted attacks foiled because of the provisions of the Patriot Act.

Just wondering whether I'm getting my freedom's worth.


Comsn (686413) | more than 9 years ago | (#13131907)

also, why isint anyone upset that tax payer money is paying some fool to look at library records? what good is a library record? to see how many times the person checked out 'how to draw manga'?

Whoopie! (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13131912)

I think this is a great and american thing


Ok, here's a question or two... (4, Interesting)

Weaselmancer (533834) | more than 9 years ago | (#13131917)

Why extend them?

Or to ask it in a more direct manner, exactly what terrorist activities have these bills stopped since they were enacted? Any?

What's the benefit? How has the Patriot act helped us so far?

Has it done any good at all yet - or is it just rights erosion for the expediency of law enforcement?

In Memoriam Habeas Corpus (4, Interesting)

Doc Ruby (173196) | more than 9 years ago | (#13131926)

During the committee negotiations in the House of Representatives, one Democrat attempted to append an amendment to this Police Act that explicitly stated that the Act did not in any way suspend Habeas Corpus [wikipedia.org] . That foundation of American justice was claimed by opponents to be threatened by the Act, which threat was denied by its supporters. So why did Republicans vote down that simple amendment? It surely would have saved a lot of time and money in any case where a judge had to decide whether, in fact, the Act did violate the Habeas Corpus principle. What does this Act therefore really mean, once the dross of rhetoric that ushers it through the process is lost in the sands of history?
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