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Congress Mulls Research Into a Vehicle Mileage Tax

kdawson posted more than 5 years ago | from the just-get-on-the-bike dept.

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BJ_Covert_Action writes to let us know that an Oregon congressman has filed legislation to spend $154.5M for a research project into tracking per-vehicle mileage in the US, and asks: "Do we really want the government to track our movement and driving habits on a regular basis?" "US Representative Earl Blumenauer (D-Oregon) introduced H.R. 3311 earlier this year to appropriate $154,500,000 for research and study into the transition to a per-mile vehicle tax system... Oregon has successfully tested a Vehicle Miles Traveled fee... the [Oregon] report urged a mandate for all drivers to install GPS tracking devices that would report driving habits to roadside RFID scanning devices." Here is the bill (PDF). The article notes that the congressman's major corporate donors would likely benefit with contracts if such a program were begun.

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How tiny is it? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#29430563)

Rob "CmdrTaco" Malda's micropenis is so small that even an electron microscope can't reliably resolve it!

Re:How tiny is it? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#29430797)

Rob "CmdrTaco" Malda's micropenis is so small that even an electron microscope can't reliably resolve it!

Even this [slashdot.org] is massive compared to his tiny penis.

Dems? (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#29430567)

I thought the Republicans were the evil ones trying to take our rights away... weird.

Re:Dems? (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#29430981)

I thought the Republicans were the evil ones trying to take our rights away... weird.

They're both evil. Let me break it down.

Republicans = corporatism, war, torture
Democrats = corporatism, eugenics ("abortion", "health" care), dependence on the state, war, torture

Both are bad. There's one great Republican (Ron Paul) and a few decent ones. I really cannot think of a decent Democrat (perhaps Kucinich, but not really).

toposhaba (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#29430575)

Can't they just read an odometer

Re:toposhaba (5, Insightful)

Adriax (746043) | more than 5 years ago | (#29430915)

5 screws, spin a couple numbers back: "Yes sir, I only drove this car 7 miles in the past year. Yes this is my only registered car, and I live 8 miles away, why do you ask?"

Re:toposhaba (1)

Psyborgue (699890) | more than 5 years ago | (#29431003)

This is the federal government we're talking about here.

Ummmm (5, Insightful)

homey of my owney (975234) | more than 5 years ago | (#29430581)

Isn't that what the Federal Gasoline tax does?

Re:Ummmm (3, Informative)

rotide (1015173) | more than 5 years ago | (#29430645)

Yes, but the problem is that as more and more bybrid and pure alternative fuel cars use the roads, less and less tax money will be available for road upkeep.

Imagine in 20 years if _every_ car were 100% electric (won't happen, I know). That would be a _huge_ drop in taxes earned through gasoline sales.

Basically this is an early change over to a system that will work regardless of fuel source.

Re:Ummmm (5, Insightful)

guyfawkes-11-5 (1583613) | more than 5 years ago | (#29430705)

But it also has the additional positive effect of pushing people towards electric and alternative fuels.

Re:Ummmm (2, Funny)

rotide (1015173) | more than 5 years ago | (#29430727)

Entirely agree, and for the record I'm against using GPS for this purpose, but the government still has to pay for the Interstate system. Gas Tax, as far as I know, has helped fund it.

Re:Ummmm (5, Insightful)

InsaneProcessor (869563) | more than 5 years ago | (#29430957)

Then read the odometer. It is already a crime to tamper with it. I don't want the government tracking my position. They have no business doing this. This idea is totally stupid on principle. Just add more cost to the vehicle too.

Only government would be this stupid!

Re:Ummmm (1)

TheBilgeRat (1629569) | more than 5 years ago | (#29431011)

Unfortunately, this should read "Only OREGON would be this stupid".

\I'm from Oregon

Re:Ummmm (1)

negRo_slim (636783) | more than 5 years ago | (#29430719)

Not only could this replace revenue lost from decreased gasoline consumption this wwould allow us to have variable tax rates on various roads. Higher congestion could lead to higher taxes encouraging people to car pool, use mass transit, etc.

Re:Ummmm (1)

Timothy Brownawell (627747) | more than 5 years ago | (#29430851)

Not only could this replace revenue lost from decreased gasoline consumption this wwould allow us to have variable tax rates on various roads. Higher congestion could lead to higher taxes encouraging people to car pool, use mass transit, etc.

Sounds like a horrid mess for everyone, trying to keep track of how much driving a particular route would cost.

Re:Ummmm (1)

ArbitraryDescriptor (1257752) | more than 5 years ago | (#29430877)

Not only could this replace revenue lost from decreased gasoline consumption this would allow us to have variable tax rates on various roads. Higher congestion could lead to higher taxes encouraging people to car pool, use mass transit, etc.

It would also necessitate a federal law against tampering with your car's GPS or in any way modify or interfere with the radio signals emanating from your car.

Car analogy:
Its like if the federal government said you could no longer tampering with your car's GPS or in any way modify or interfere with the radio signals emanating from your car.

Re:Ummmm (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#29430749)

Yes, but the problem is that as more and more bybrid and pure alternative fuel cars use the roads, less and less tax money will be available for road upkeep.

Imagine in 20 years if _every_ car were 100% electric (won't happen, I know). That would be a _huge_ drop in taxes earned through gasoline sales.

Basically this is an early change over to a system that will work regardless of fuel source.

uhm.. then you just tax the 'new' energy source. Much more effective and less privacy invasive. Gas tax is much better, because you also achive the purpose of moving the market towards more environmentally friendly cars and user behaviour.

Re:Ummmm (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#29430751)

Am I the _only_ one that finds emphasizing words with underscores _extremely_ distracting and annoying?

Re:Ummmm (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#29430917)

_YES_

Re:Ummmm (1)

geekoid (135745) | more than 5 years ago | (#29430831)

in 20 years 100% of private commuter vehicles will be, if not all non commercial vehicles.

Re:Ummmm (5, Insightful)

CrimsonAvenger (580665) | more than 5 years ago | (#29430841)

Basically this is an early change over to a system that will work regardless of fuel source.

Note that this is not being discussed as a replacement for gas taxes, but as a supplement to them. In other words, you'll get both taxes.

Later on, when noone is using gasoline, they'll come up with a replacement for gas taxes. And the per mile tax will continue.

Tax tires (2, Insightful)

mollog (841386) | more than 5 years ago | (#29430975)

Then put the tax on tires. You can't roll back the odometer on a tire.

Re:Ummmm (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#29430885)

Not just a system regardless of fuel source but it's so much more. Imagine this:

2009 15 09 15:37 - Startup
2009 15 09 15:37 - $ 0.012 ID# 8984489618
2009 15 09 15:37 - $ 90.00 Failure to yield to posted sign (lowest MPH = 1.7)
2009 15 09 15:37 - $ 0.025 ID# 1898138518
2009 15 09 15:38 - $ 1.50 Toll #6848681685
2009 15 09 15:38 - $ 0.018 ID# 1868321896
2009 15 09 15:38 - $120.00 Exceeding maximum speed limit, ID# 6588616816, Limit: 25 MPH, Current MPH : 26

And if we do it right (1)

overshoot (39700) | more than 5 years ago | (#29430905)

Basically this is an early change over to a system that will work regardless of fuel source.

We can prevent that changeover entirely by making gasoline-fueled vehicles cheap compared to other types.

Re:Ummmm (5, Insightful)

clampolo (1159617) | more than 5 years ago | (#29430949)

I have a better idea. Let's tax campaign contributions from auto makers, auto unions, and gasoline manufacturers at 50% and the proceeds will go to fund the roads.

Re:Ummmm (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | more than 5 years ago | (#29430999)

Those cars are lighter and cause less wear and tear on the roads. If anything gas taxes should be increased to offset the loss or this tax should set by vehicle mass.

Re:Ummmm (1)

FatAlb3rt (533682) | more than 5 years ago | (#29430655)

Google Chevy Volt

Re:Ummmm (1)

geekoid (135745) | more than 5 years ago | (#29430667)

Except as cars get more efficient, the get less taxes. Anyone looking ahead will recognize that eventual cars will be all electric.

So you need to replace the lost revenue.

Re:Ummmm (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#29430859)

So just tax the electricity then.

Re:Ummmm (5, Insightful)

trigeek (662294) | more than 5 years ago | (#29430687)

The general thought process is that as cars get better gas mileage, the revenues from the gas tax will decline.

I personally don't see a problem with continuing to use the gas tax, but increasing it: It encourages people to drive more fuel efficient cars. I don't see this monitoring technology as being useful.

Re:Ummmm (2, Interesting)

Grishnakh (216268) | more than 5 years ago | (#29430765)

I personally don't see a problem with continuing to use the gas tax, but increasing it: It encourages people to drive more fuel efficient cars.

But all the people driving gas-guzzlers will whine if you do that. They think people driving 3000-lb. Priuses should be paying the same gas tax as 100,000-lb tractor trailers and 7000-lb. Hummers.

Re:Ummmm (1)

MightyYar (622222) | more than 5 years ago | (#29430921)

As a short-term solution (i.e. the next 10 or 15 years), I agree... simply increase the gas tax to keep the revenue neutral.

Eventually this will become infeasible and too burdensome for the trucking companies (and thus our food prices) and we will need another system. I don't know what's wrong with an odometer reading, but that's just me. The feds could even collect it through the states via the existing registration process so that there is no added bureaucracy.

Another option is to put electronic toll readers everywhere and make their use compulsory. This seems like an expensive solution, however.

I'm sure that they are concerned about people's ability to pay. Perhaps a standard payroll deduction could be taken for the average gas use, and then you can deduct you vehicle registration cost directly from your federal tax paid.

Re:Ummmm (1)

mcgrew (92797) | more than 5 years ago | (#29430709)

As well as the state taxes.

Re:Ummmm (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#29430993)

Isn't that what the Federal Gasoline tax does?

Yes. I was just in a Road User Study (http://www.roaduserstudy.org) hosted by the University of Iowa. Supposedly, there is growing concern that with the fuel efficiency of cars changing, hybrids, hydrogen and electric cars, the gasoline tax will be harder to track, also it doesn't take into consideration the difference in how effective the vehicle burns the fuel vs. the distance travelled on a road. Technically an owner of a Honda Civic pays less in "road" tax (aka gas tax) then an owner of a Grand Cherokee. Equal amount of road used, but the Cherokee, having worse fuel efficiency, will eat more guess, and therefore pay more in taxes.

- Jeff

Re:Ummmm (5, Insightful)

Artraze (600366) | more than 5 years ago | (#29430997)

No.

The Federal Gasoline tax does not "mandate for all drivers to install GPS tracking devices that would report driving habits to roadside RFID scanning devices". This tax proposal is little more than a way of netting some GPS companies gigabucks and getting GPS driving logs of every driver. Why else would they not JUST USE THE F**KING ODOMETER.

P.S. If you think that law enforcement isn't salivating of the idea that the could subpoena a driver's entire history you are beyond naive.

hacking (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#29430585)

With the RFID hacking efforts, one could potentially change the identification number so that your car reported its mileage on another vehicle. Then some old fart is wondering why he's paying thousands in taxes when he just drives from home to the pharmacy and the occasional trip to the local buffet restaurant.

Re:hacking (1)

MadnessASAP (1052274) | more than 5 years ago | (#29431001)

That will be about as effective as changing the license plate on your car. How far do you think you would get before a police officer caught on?

Per-mile vehicle tax system (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#29430587)

Already exist, it's called the fuel tax.

Miles * weight is what they want, so tax gasoline (5, Insightful)

noidentity (188756) | more than 5 years ago | (#29430589)

Why do number of miles driven matter? I'd think the central concern is wear on roads, which is also dependent on the weight of the vehicle. So they want to charge based on weight*miles. Guess what? A vehicle's gasoline usage is closely related to this; big heavy vehicle, more gasoline used per mile. So they could just increase the gasoline tax.

Re:Miles * weight is what they want, so tax gasoli (0)

rotide (1015173) | more than 5 years ago | (#29430695)

Quick hint.. What happens when gasoline isn't the primary fuel source for vehicles using Federally funded roads? GPS, while it's too big brothery and invasive, would charge you for miles driven and not for how much _gasoline_ you use.

Re:Miles * weight is what they want, so tax gasoli (1)

i.r.id10t (595143) | more than 5 years ago | (#29430737)

You honestly think they wouldn't charge both taxes?

Re:Miles * weight is what they want, so tax gasoli (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#29430747)

Wear is a minor concern. Revenue is the real problem. Since people have started buying more fuel-efficient cars, and driving less (something that the government has been pushing), there is less revenue from gas taxes. It's almost like there are consequences that people didn't intend. Imagine that.

Re:Miles * weight is what they want, so tax gasoli (4, Informative)

RyanFenton (230700) | more than 5 years ago | (#29430755)

The state legislatures are getting in a lather over the idea that gas-electric hybrids will reduce their gas-tax-based state income. It's all rather reminiscent of the year 2000 panic over computer glitches - based in a sliver of truth, but WAAAAY overestimated. They're looking to use these mileage-based taxes as a way to future-proof, but as you mentioned, the better solution is to just increase gas taxes proportionally with the fraction of gas being used thanks to improved technology, so revenue can keep up with increased expenses, while keeping the burden on those who do the most practical use, rather than taxing a hybrid the same as a cement truck.

Ryan Fenton

Re:Miles * weight is what they want, so tax gasoli (1)

geekoid (135745) | more than 5 years ago | (#29430887)

WHy do you think they will be taxed the same?

Most likely it will be based on category, so the cement truck is charged more then a light hybrid.

And Gas vehicals are on their way out. Slowly, but definitely going.

As far as gas tax goes, CA has seen a pretty large drop in gas tax revenue over the last 10 years.
The issue could be solved temporarily by raising fuel costs, but that's not a long term solution.

Re:Miles * weight is what they want, so tax gasoli (1)

zamboni1138 (308944) | more than 5 years ago | (#29430763)

Because everybody and their dog in Portland is/has been buying a Prius (or other hybrid), and the State isn't getting what it used to from the gas tax. Of course our vehicle registration fee is a joke compared to our neighbors to the North (the State of Washington).

Re:Miles * weight is what they want, so tax gasoli (1)

tsstahl (812393) | more than 5 years ago | (#29430867)

Great. Now my view of the horizon will be clouded by tax cheats with blimps tied to their bumpers.

Re:Miles * weight is what they want, so tax gasoli (1)

fiannaFailMan (702447) | more than 5 years ago | (#29430889)

Good point. Trucks cause the most damage. In Europe they have tax incentives for haulage/trucking companies to use tri-axle trailers and extra axles on the tractor units since they spread the load out better and do less damage to the road. You never seen these in the US (I've never seen them in California anyway).

Re:Miles * weight is what they want, so tax gasoli (1)

Bobfrankly1 (1043848) | more than 5 years ago | (#29430945)

Unless you drive an EV like the Volt or the Tesla...

Tax me harder! (1)

Citizen of Earth (569446) | more than 5 years ago | (#29430591)

It seems to me that gasoline taxes cover this situation adequately without Big Brother being a back-seat driver.

RFID? KISS! (4, Insightful)

0100010001010011 (652467) | more than 5 years ago | (#29430597)

Quite a few states have emissions testing every year or every other year. Make them get a sticker that also has the mileage. The next year, you figure out the difference. Pay the tax. Odometer fails it's the same as if ODB readiness fails.

How often are these RFID checkpoints going to fail? Devices fall off cars, etc.

Let me guess, there's a GPS tracking company in someones district.

Re:RFID? KISS! (5, Insightful)

Temkin (112574) | more than 5 years ago | (#29430651)

My family owns a couple miles of private dirt roads. You're going to tax me for driving on my own road?

Re:RFID? KISS! (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#29430773)

You are currenlty taxed to support the public roads when you drive on your private roads now. The gasoline tax (which you pay whether you drive on your private roads, public roads, or use it in your lawnmower) is for public road maintenance for the amount of wear you impose upon the public road system. An odometer system wouldn't be any more more a kludge but has the benefit of still being fairly accurate for hybrid, electric, and alternative fuel vehicles. And has the benefit of not tracking every move people make

Re:RFID? KISS! (2, Insightful)

tsstahl (812393) | more than 5 years ago | (#29430821)

We already do with existing gas taxes. Unless you push, or mule team those couple miles.

Re:RFID? KISS! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#29430849)

Why not? We already tax you for the land you own.

Re:RFID? KISS! (1)

HashDefine (590370) | more than 5 years ago | (#29430901)

My family owns a couple miles of private dirt roads. You're going to tax me for driving on my own road?

No, Taxing you would not be appropriate as long as you can ensure that your C02 emissions do not damage anyone else, but in the real world they do. The environment is a public good in question not the land you own.

The problems with a blind gasoline taxes are that it might hurt the poor people a lot more since they potentially spend a much larger portion of the income on gasoline, with mileage based approach you can dole out a basic allowance to everyone and then tax the people who choose to drive more than n miles.

Re:RFID? KISS! (1, Troll)

geekoid (135745) | more than 5 years ago | (#29430947)

Yes, too fucking bad.

Sucks to be an edge case.

Undoubtedly, Farmers will be given a tax break, so them driving on their roads won't be taxed. I say this becasue they always have been in the past.
If that is true, then you are a very minor edge case.

However, if you whine enough.. I mean get a lobby together, no doubt there will be a way to do a 'long form' version that allowes you to remove some of the taxes at the end of the year.

All this is pretty much how thinks have shaken out in the past. NO guarantee, of course.

Re:RFID? KISS! (1)

rolfwind (528248) | more than 5 years ago | (#29430873)

Quite a few states have emissions testing every year or every other year. Make them get a sticker that also has the mileage. The next year, you figure out the difference. Pay the tax. Odometer fails it's the same as if ODB readiness fails.

I'm really starting to despise your type. Government demands blatantly unreasonable tax to bolster it's fat ass, and people such as yourself immediately offer a "compromise" that makes "everyone happy."

Except it always seems to creep in one direction: big-ass government nickel and diming everywhere.

No new systems, bureacracies, or bullshit, where 70% of the money is spent administering it. Add 10 cents to the gas tax and be done with it. Or better yet, find a way to cut costs.

WTF (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#29430599)

How is this better, in any way, than a higher gas tax? A gas tax is easier to implement (and of course already implemented, so there is no additional infrastructure/bureaucracy required to increase it,) doesn't have privacy concerns, and encourages better gas mileage to boot. I guess some elements of the auto industry might like it since it de-emphasizes fuel economy of cars...

Vehcile milage can be calculated without GPS (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#29430605)

Anything more than an odometer or fuel tax doesn't pass the smell test.

GPS could only add value for law enforcment and automating speeding tickets.

Re:Vehcile milage can be calculated without GPS (1)

denis-The-menace (471988) | more than 5 years ago | (#29430879)

It's not confusing enough for the sheeple.

Or like your hint, the odometer does not support ulterior motives.

Re:Vehcile milage can be calculated without GPS (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#29430893)

The question in the states' cases is NOT how much you drive your car.
 

The question that the states want to answer is how much you drive in their particular state. Otherwise, they get entangled with charging you for driving in other states, and that is believed to likely to be illegal.
 

Of course, they could use it for speeding tickets, tracking you around, and other evil stuff. But they also could use EZ-Pass/I-Pass/etc. the same way right now, and without touching your car at all.

This'll go over well (4, Insightful)

jgtg32a (1173373) | more than 5 years ago | (#29430607)

Are they planning on buying everyone a GPS device because I just don't see how this study can cost $154.5 Million

Re:This'll go over well (1)

tsstahl (812393) | more than 5 years ago | (#29430897)

Gubmint econ 101: .5 mil for the actual study; 2 grad students and a prof back East somewhere. The rest is for bribing, I mean convincing, all the people standing in the way of implementation.

Goodby privacy (5, Insightful)

merreborn (853723) | more than 5 years ago | (#29430613)

the [Oregon] report urged a mandate for all drivers to install GPS tracking devices that would report driving habits to roadside RFID scanning devices.

You want us to give The Man complete GPS records of all driving?

Am I the only one who finds that terrifying?

Re:Goodby privacy (-1, Flamebait)

geekoid (135745) | more than 5 years ago | (#29430707)

no, a lot of people who use the term 'The Man', think the government is one entity and wears tin foil hats are scaredy cats as well.

Re:Goodby privacy (2, Informative)

Improv (2467) | more than 5 years ago | (#29430857)

I generally don't like the inclination to scream about privacy at the drop of a pin, but collection of GPS records do make me rather uncomfortable and I don't think it should be done.

I don't think the private sector should do this either except possibly in the broadest sense (e.g. it is ok for them to monitor if you're leaving the state because it might impact their insurance, the probability you're stealing the vehicle, etc, but not ok if they're trying to collect detailed information on where you go).

Yes (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#29430619)

Clearly we do. Every chance the US Voting Public gets, it votes for more and more government. Every single election candidates come out openly for more government control of everything, up to and including yard sales already. Why would we stop there? We're headed towards 1984 as fast as we can, and hell with that silly bit of toilet paper called "The Constitution".
    Nick

citizens mull... (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#29430621)

ass fucking every member of congress with a flame thrower

No GPS thanks (5, Insightful)

Hatta (162192) | more than 5 years ago | (#29430635)

I'm not particularly opposed to an tax on my odometer, but GPS is way over the line. You want to know how much I drive? Fine. You want to know where I drive? Fuck off.

Besides, the gasoline tax is already a mileage tax. It has the added bonus of being a bigger burden on those who drive low efficiency vehicles.

from the "More of your freedoms at risk" dept. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#29430637)

They actually already have this, it's called Property and Gasoline taxes.

Gas tax anyone? (2, Interesting)

Snowblindeye (1085701) | more than 5 years ago | (#29430641)

Brilliant Idea. Cause if we want to levy more taxes on the people that drive more, we need to track every car and build an extensive system of RFID scanners that covers the nation.

Of course every car already has a mileage based tracker build in. Its called the gas tank. You simply raise the gas tax, and you're done. In the process you also reward people with fuel efficient cars, and you make it easier for alternative fuels and electric cars to be competitive.

I suppose higher gas taxes have no lobby, while the RFID industry obviously has one. /sigh

already discussed (3, Informative)

Red Flayer (890720) | more than 5 years ago | (#29430643)

Since related articles were omitted for this story... For previous discussion on slashdot, please check here [slashdot.org] .

Please feel free to read that discussion and put your copypasta in this thread so we all know not to mod them up. :)

Two Words: (4, Insightful)

blcamp (211756) | more than 5 years ago | (#29430647)

HELL NO.

GAS Tax? (1)

blueskies (525815) | more than 5 years ago | (#29430657)

If they could come up with some way to tax gas purchases, it seems like it would track miles driven. Of course, they'd have to come up with a whole new administration to collect this tax on gas....

Re:GAS Tax? (1)

Duradin (1261418) | more than 5 years ago | (#29430935)

Why tax gas? Tax the the cars. Then all the smug Prius owners can pay their fair share for road maintenance along with all the dirty Earth killers burning dead dinosaurs.

 

Diverted taxes (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#29430671)

The money diverted from the fuel excise tax on non-road related projects must be made up for with a brand new VMT tax, the report argued.

Or they could pass a resolution that all fuel tax is used only for road-related projects.

Hmm... (1)

brkello (642429) | more than 5 years ago | (#29430683)

I'd like the public option (or even better, single payer). But I think I will pass on the car surveillance system. We already have a tax on how much we travel, it is called taxing gas. Large vehicles that waste gas and are harder on the roads naturally get taxed more than smaller fuel-efficient vehicles. I see nothing wrong with this system.

Hmm, maybe they are worried about tax revenue once electric cars come out? That would make a little bit of sense then. But I'd rather just have them read the odometer once a year than track me. On the upside though, if my car was ever stolen, the government would know where it is!

Re:Hmm... (1)

night_flyer (453866) | more than 5 years ago | (#29430775)

then you are paying taxes on the electricity you use to "fuel" the electric cars

Odometer? (1)

grommit (97148) | more than 5 years ago | (#29430685)

Or, instead of forcing consumers to buy some expensive gadget that could potentially be used for invasion of privacy, we could just use the simple odometer that is installed in every vehicle nowadays. The extra time spent having a person verify the odometer reading every year when the tag is renewed is nowhere near as wasteful as creating a whole new electronic system. That is, of course, if you're going to insist on having this sort of tax.

Re:Odometer? (1)

evilphish_mi (1282588) | more than 5 years ago | (#29430853)

actualy an even better idea would be to drop the idea all together.

Intended for abuse (4, Insightful)

bcmm (768152) | more than 5 years ago | (#29430725)

Since this does nothing relevant that gasoline taxation doesn't already do, one can presume that it is intended as a tracking device.

If this is actually introduced, it will sooner or later be used to track down some horrible terrorist/paedophile on the run, and no one will object. The next year, it'll be available to track down whoever they want to track down, and if attitudes wiretapping are anything to go by, they won't need a warrant. Lucky it's such a blindingly stupid idea that they'll never actually implement it, right?

Right?

Go Green- (2, Interesting)

georgenh16 (1531259) | more than 5 years ago | (#29430729)

Recycle Congress.

Glenn Beck would have a field day... (1)

arbies (1222718) | more than 5 years ago | (#29430731)

Yeah.. like a society who wants the "Gov'ment to keep its hands off my Medicare" will let "THE MAN" put GPS into cars. Glenn Beck would have a field day with that one.

Re:Glenn Beck would have a field day... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#29430863)

Funny how Republicans usually get a tag on the story when the gov't does something Slashdotters don't like, but when it's introduced by a Democrat the "Democrats" tag doesn't make it up there...

It's a lawsuit waiting to happen. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#29430733)

I'm sure that there will be an ACLU lawsuit all over this. If not, there should be.

What kind of fucked up idea is this anyway?

And I suspect that if it comes to pass the tracking unit in *my* car, it would somehow mysteriously fail.

Sweet merciful crap! (5, Interesting)

jtownatpunk.net (245670) | more than 5 years ago | (#29430743)

How the fuck can ANY study cost $154,500,000 That's one hundred and fifty four million, five hundred thousand dollars. I don't care WHAT they're proposing. A traffic STUDY with that kind of price tag should get a resounding and unanimous "FUCK YOU, YOU FUCKING FUCKS!" from anyone voting on it.

I normally don't use so much profanity on slashdot but it's not like I can get any more obscene than what's being proposed.

How does this work in my positive-earth car? (1)

whoever57 (658626) | more than 5 years ago | (#29430753)

Will these proposed devices be capable of being fitted in a positive earth vehicle? I suppose I could convert it to negative earth, but that would detract from its originality

Congress mulls all sorts of crap, get over it (1)

indros13 (531405) | more than 5 years ago | (#29430761)

First, who spends the time digging through the Congressional Record for this kind of stuff? Congress considers thousands of ideas every year, from the brilliant (health care reform) to the idiotic (Bridges to Nowhere). Most are DOA. Second, this bill would establish a "pilot program" for alternatives to a fuel tax. What's the harm in trying out some different ideas? Third, check opencongress.org and you find that this bill has (OMGWTFBBQ!) been referred to three committees. What a scary threat to our rights!

OK, this is unexcusable on a 'tech' site (1)

geekoid (135745) | more than 5 years ago | (#29430807)

If you where actually technically suave you would know that more efficient vehicles means less gass tax revenue.

That's what they are loking to deal with.

Now the GPS side will never happen because it just really isn't feasible to collect and audit that much data.
More likely when you get a smog* check you will have your mileage noted and a tax spread out from then until the next check.
Possible you just pay an estimated tax for none business vehicles with the option of doing it in a detailed way.
If they based a tax on 12K miles, that would be close enough for most people to warrant not going to a odometer check.

*As more and more cars go electric, the smog check will be completly replace with the OD check.

Anyways, to rave becasue we have a gas tax is very short sighted and typical of people who aren't in government.

Odometer, maybe. GPS, no f'ing way. (1)

AJWM (19027) | more than 5 years ago | (#29430809)

Mileage can easily be determined by looking at odometer readings. You can even do that at annual plate renewal time, although yeah you could encode it into an RFID scheme too.

Calling for GPS is shenanigans, either on the part of somebody trying to sell GPS chips or on the part of the government for tracking purposes. Or both.

how about... (5, Insightful)

night_flyer (453866) | more than 5 years ago | (#29430817)

Insisting that the gov't spend the gas tax money they collect for roads, to pay to repair roads instead of funneling it off to pet projects that have nothing to do with roads.

RFID (1)

SilverHatHacker (1381259) | more than 5 years ago | (#29430819)

I'd just add an RFID-blocking cage to my car interior (think tin foil). They could probably still trace me if they really wanted too, but it would stop the reporting to the roadside stations.

Send that Oregonian animal back into a tree (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#29430823)

Nothing more than a slaver and travel baron violating my Matter of Right to Public Vehicular Travel.

The Right of Owner determines the use and tax to the renter; does that bastard think the State has a controlling interest in the automobile and the road to convert them into private securities?

Typical behavior of a somone that would deny the people are the fact that built the roads without any due to maintenance, just so the book-keeping would maintain a private entity to fleece the public for the cause of commerce in driver licensing to enter heavy vessels to trod hard on the pavement. Send all the heavy cargo back to the rails where it belongs, you undercutting and lazy legislators.

Since we have data (1)

Shadowhawk (30195) | more than 5 years ago | (#29430845)

We'll just automatically apply speeding tickets when you go over the speed limit.

Help me understand (1)

overshoot (39700) | more than 5 years ago | (#29430855)

How this is not an attempt to reduce the cost of high-fuel-consumption vehicles (SUVs, anyone?) relative to low-consumption vehicles.

Instead of spending billions on tracking everyone's movements, how about just raising fuel taxes? (Oh, right, see above.)

How many ways can this go wrong? (2, Insightful)

Bobfrankly1 (1043848) | more than 5 years ago | (#29430909)

Can't seem to evade these cops, it's almost like they've got a tracking device on me....
You mean to tell me Mr. Officer, that you're giving me a ticket for speeding two weeks ago?
I'm being taxed on miles traveled after I was taxed for the price of having my car towed? It was a flatbed, the tires didn't touch the ground!
Wow, I've never seen 15 minute parking enforced so timely and yet so viciously...they've got tow-trucks lined up around the corner just waiting...

Just check the milliage (1)

ZipprHead (106133) | more than 5 years ago | (#29430931)

"install GPS tracking devices that would report driving habits to roadside RFID scanning devices."

Why? Cars already have to go in for inspection, just check the mileage then and tax appropriately.

Another poster said something about taxing gas more. Not to say we shouldn't be taxing gas more, but that doesn't really work as gas consumed does not reflect mileage driven.

Just thinking here... (1)

richardkelleher (1184251) | more than 5 years ago | (#29430937)

If you want to tax those who drive the most (or really those that pollute the most) wouldn't a straight gas tax work. Sounds like a mileage tax is just a way to reduce the tax on really big vehicles.

Again shifting the tax burden away from those who drive Escalades to the Portland airport to fly to San Fransisco for the opera and onto those who drive the VW buses from Eugene to Oakland for a Dead show. Just seems unfair some how. Are you sure this guy is a Democrat!

Stupid idea. (1)

Ralph Spoilsport (673134) | more than 5 years ago | (#29430959)

So, does this mean that a 100% non-gas vehicle, like, a bicycle, would be taxed an infinite amount? Or a 100% electric vehicle?

And disabling the GPS would be trivial.

Idiots.

RS

Just spoof it (1)

dloyer (547728) | more than 5 years ago | (#29430971)

Just wait until someone sells a box that spoofs the gps signal and tells your tracker that you never left the parking spot.

It might be a problem for any aircraft on final approach...

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