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South Park's Episode 201 — the Expurgated Version

timothy posted more than 4 years ago | from the but-officer-the-threat-was-oblique dept.

Censorship 1224

Yesterday we mentioned the controversy facing Matt Stone and Trey Parker after last week's South Park (episode 200) depicted Muhammad, founder of Islam, concealed in a bear suit. Today, penguinman1337 writes "Apparently, all is not well over at Comedy Central. The heavily censored version of episode 201 that aired last night has a lot of people angry, including the show's creators." From their note: "In the 14 years we've been doing South Park we have never done a show that we couldn't stand behind. We delivered our version of the show to Comedy Central and they made a determination to alter the episode. It wasn't some meta-joke on our part. Comedy Central added the bleeps."

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I wonder how long until it "accidentally" leaks (4, Interesting)

Rei (128717) | more than 4 years ago | (#31946894)

onto BitTorrent.

Re:I wonder how long until it "accidentally" leaks (0, Offtopic)

Jmanamj (1077749) | more than 4 years ago | (#31946924)

Already have it in my utorrent queue!

It will be interesting to see how long before we see the un-fucked-with version released.

Re:I wonder how long until it "accidentally" leaks (0)

s0litaire (1205168) | more than 4 years ago | (#31946966)

Thinking the same thing too...

Would not put it past those 2 :)

Re:I wonder how long until it "accidentally" leaks (1)

none295 (521820) | more than 4 years ago | (#31947114)

In the mean time, fan edit it. Use old show dialog/graphics to replace the censored bits. Heck use your favorite preacher or non-preacher as replacement material.

The problem is they completely removed the ending dialog, basically wasting everyone's half hour of life.

Re:I wonder how long until it "accidentally" leaks (4, Informative)

OS24Ever (245667) | more than 4 years ago | (#31947204)

You realize, the original episode that showed Mohammed before it wasn't cool to show Mohommed is on their website? here it is [southparkstudios.com] . Completely un-editied.

I'm expecting the 201/202 episodes to be posted the same way.

Re:I wonder how long until it "accidentally" leaks (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31947300)

>>We apologize that south park studios cannot stream this episode.

Re:I wonder how long until it "accidentally" leaks (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31947366)

it is Not Up for streaming

Re:I wonder how long until it "accidentally" leaks (1, Redundant)

PopeRatzo (965947) | more than 4 years ago | (#31947426)

eztv FTW

You don't say (0, Flamebait)

Monkeedude1212 (1560403) | more than 4 years ago | (#31946914)

They Censored a South Park Episode? Stop the presses. No one has ever done that before!

Re:You don't say (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31946972)

At the risk of my good karma, you're a moron. They didn't censor the part with Jesus watching porn, or Buda doing lines of coke, they censored the speaking of the word "prophet muhammed" and the "I learned something today" speech that didn't even mention muhammed. All because people are scared of offending muslims.

Re:You don't say (0, Flamebait)

jasmusic (786052) | more than 4 years ago | (#31947000)

America isn't supposed to be this chicken shit. Fuck the pedophile Muhammed. May he burn in hell forever and ever.

Re:You don't say (0, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31947326)

No, not "Flamebait." FUCK the PEDOPHILE MUHAMMED.

Re:You don't say (5, Informative)

MrMista_B (891430) | more than 4 years ago | (#31947100)

Because while Christians will turn the other cheek, and Buddhists likewise, Muslims will fucking kill you.

Re:You don't say (1, Insightful)

xaxa (988988) | more than 4 years ago | (#31947172)

Because while Christians will turn the other cheek

Really? I think someone needs to tell the gun-toting Americans...

Re:You don't say (3, Insightful)

StrategicIrony (1183007) | more than 4 years ago | (#31947198)

I think that's supposed to read

"are supposed to turn the other cheek"

The christianists in the bible belt haven't followed Jeebus for a long ass time.

Re:You don't say (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31947248)

I think that's supposed to read

"are supposed to turn the other cheek"

The christianists in the bible belt haven't followed Jeebus for a long ass time.

Sure, but by that same token, I seriously doubt the Koran explicitly advocates killing people indiscriminately.

Re:You don't say (4, Informative)

SanityInAnarchy (655584) | more than 4 years ago | (#31947356)

Both of them do, actually. The Bible advocates stoning many people under various circumstances, and the Qur'an has a few specific instructions for dealing with infidels, including killing apostates.

Re:You don't say (5, Funny)

jaxtherat (1165473) | more than 4 years ago | (#31947376)

RTFK

Re:You don't say (3, Insightful)

Rijnzael (1294596) | more than 4 years ago | (#31947378)

I also doubt that as well. Nonetheless, many Islamic scholars who wish to justify the hatred they feel and the violence they desire against those they perceive as enemies have and continue to advocate such indiscriminate killing. I think this Youtube video adequately describes some of the problems with Islam as a whole: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NyNQ1zc-q74 [youtube.com]

Re:You don't say (1)

CannonballHead (842625) | more than 4 years ago | (#31947294)

Turn-other-cheek is generally taken to refer to personal insults and the like.

And I see no logical reason to assume that because X says he is Y, that all Y are like X or that all Y even accept that X really is Y... nor, for that matter, any logical reason to lump X into Y just because X claims he is Y. I can claim to be an atheist that believes in God, but that doesn't mean most people will believe me.

Re:You don't say (1)

Just Some Guy (3352) | more than 4 years ago | (#31947314)

Really? How many death threats have they gotten from making fun of Jesus and Christians, and how many episodes were pulled or censored in response?

Re:You don't say (4, Insightful)

uncanny (954868) | more than 4 years ago | (#31947330)

Why is this modded troll? are you kidding me? maybe the "nerds" on here get the luxury of working only with other nerds, however i have to work with two conservative, gun crazy people who sit there and every day complain about "the government is trying to disarm the american people, we need to buy more guns". One day one of them said "we need to just round up all the muslims and shoot them" holy crap, dont realize if you know this, but that's called ethnic cleansing!! Yeah, there are "gun-toting americans" that i'm more afraid to be around then any of the muslims i went to school with! sorry for the rant

Re:You don't say (5, Insightful)

Le Marteau (206396) | more than 4 years ago | (#31947126)

> All because people are scared of offending muslims.

The are not scared of offending Muslims, per se. They are scared of being murdered. Their fear is not unfounded and is with precedent.

Re:You don't say (3, Interesting)

MightyMartian (840721) | more than 4 years ago | (#31947362)

Never the less, there has to be a point where the West stands up for its hard won values, and not just against Islamists, but against governments who are equally terrified of our liberties.

What this whole debacle, and every single time some group or another decides their religious beliefs trump free speech demonstrates is pathetic cowardice and utter immaturity. I truly pity those so frightened of words that they feel they have to threaten violence. I can't imagine being that craven and worthless.

Re:You don't say (4, Insightful)

eln (21727) | more than 4 years ago | (#31947086)

According to the statement by Matt and Trey, the final speech (which in the broadcast version was nothing but an extremely long beep) didn't even mention Muhammed, it was about intimidation and fear. Comedy Central really went way overboard on the censoring of this episode. Hopefully whenever their current contract expires they can take South Park to a network that isn't run by a bunch of gutless cowards (if such a thing even exists anymore).

Personally, I thought the whole two-part episode kind of sucked anyway, but the overzealous censoring of the second part was just ridiculous.

Re:You don't say (1)

larry bagina (561269) | more than 4 years ago | (#31947210)

I thought the censored speeches at the end was funny (no doubt better than the original feel good stuff) but I think it was wrong for Comedy Central to have done it.

Re:You don't say (1)

uncanny (954868) | more than 4 years ago | (#31947354)

adult swim, it brought back futurama and family guy, why not be the savior of freedom of speech and expression for south park!

I think that is the best part. (1)

khasim (1285) | more than 4 years ago | (#31947424)

Comedy Central censors a bit about intimidation and fear ... because Comedy Central is afraid of the intimidation by groups claiming offense by other material in that episode.

The next best bit was whether they could depict Mohammad if the depiction was depicted inside a depiction of a truck.

They have sucked in the past, but this was pure genius.

Muslims... You don't say (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31947132)

Muslims told everyone else how to behave and what they are allowed to say?

You don't say?

I thought it was a coincidence that many of the most theocratic, oppressive, and evil regimes justify their existence with Islam.

This was of course the point of the South Park episode. They insulted every religion in the world in that episode, and only one threatened violence and managed to get their bit censored. It's 2010 and Islam is stuck in the 1300s. It's impact on the world is violent, pushy, and fascist.

Re:Muslims... You don't say (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31947244)

You're pretty ignorant if you believe they offended "every religion in the world". *cough* Confucianism *cough* Daoism *cough* unimaginable other amounts of religions based off of Native American, African, tribes or other versions of Christianity, Judiasm, etc. etc. etc. [/offtopic]

Re:Muslims... You don't say (1)

Peach Rings (1782482) | more than 4 years ago | (#31947406)

They did make fun of Lao Tzu (Taoism) in Super Best Friends.

Re:Muslims... You don't say (1)

interkin3tic (1469267) | more than 4 years ago | (#31947420)

You're pretty ignorant if you believe they offended "every religion in the world"

Sure, not specifically, but just the episode where Mel Gibson craps on cartman's face, to pick one at random might have offended some Zoroastrian out there.

Anyway, let's reserve "pretty ignorant" for when we're not talking about a show on comedy central. Most of us don't consider "pretty ignorant" to mean "havent' watched every single southpark episode." It's an easy generalization to make.

Re:You don't say (3, Insightful)

jayhawk88 (160512) | more than 4 years ago | (#31947140)

It's also interesting in the way they chose to censor it. Tom Cruise got censored when he "received Mohammed's goo", but it was done in the exact same way Mohammed in the bear suit was, implying a joke. Presumably Matt and Trey did not have Tom transform into Mohammed, since not showing Mohammed was the joke to begin with; perhaps he transformed into a bear suit too or something along those lines. Whatever was really there, CC had no need to censor the image of Cruise, since Muslims would not have had a problem with Cruise in a bear suit or whatever. Censoring him in the same way was, again, a joke.

As for the end speech being entirely bleeped, if it's true that it didn't mention Mohammed at all, then bleeping it makes no sense at all. This is the network that had no problem with 216 utterances of the word shit after all; what could Stan and Kyle possibly been saying that was so offensive? Again, it seemed like this was a joke, poking fun at the whole censorship thing.

What's disturbing here is that, if it's true CC made these censors without Matt and Trey's knowledge, then they were not only censoring, but adding or changing jokes in the episode as well. Censorship is one thing, but creatively changing an episode...I would think that from the creators eyes that would be even worse, and I can't believe CC would dare do such a thing.

Despite the statement, I'm still not convinced this isn't all some big hoax or joke. The censoring done in the episode just doesn't make any sense, unless it's part of the episode, jokes about the whole situation.

Re:You don't say (1)

Xeno man (1614779) | more than 4 years ago | (#31947412)

Censor shit and fuck, that is expected and acceptable. What they never done before is censor the word "Muhammed". Muhammed is the most popular given name on Earth and now it is worth censoring? Even one episode before it didn't seem to be a problem and frankly it really ruined the episode. It made it really hard to tell where the joke censoring started and the bullshit censoring ended. I also wasn't 100% sure if the 30 seconds of bleeping at the end were part of the joke or not when I watched it but became really irritating to watch and I'm more irritated now to know Comedy Central were fucking around with the message.

You Can View The Beavis And Butthead Version (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31946930)

of South Park's response to the threat. [youtube.com]

Enjoy.

Yours In Ishfahan,
K. Trout

What's worse? (0, Flamebait)

Singularity42 (1658297) | more than 4 years ago | (#31946936)

Believing in a winged horse, or applying artificial scarcity to something that can be copied easily.

This will kill South Park (1, Flamebait)

thren (1667979) | more than 4 years ago | (#31946948)

The <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cartoon_Wars_Part_II">manatees</a> will stop working if even 1 idea ball is removed

Knee bone is connected to the... (4, Insightful)

denzacar (181829) | more than 4 years ago | (#31946950)

There is no knee-jerk but knee-jerk and jerks are its prophets.

Anonymous Coward (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31946952)

Lets have all of the Muslim population of the World....*COUGH*, I mean the United States go back to Afganistan, and then we can watch shows that make fun of religious fanatics! Just a thought

Throw their weight around (4, Interesting)

MBGMorden (803437) | more than 4 years ago | (#31946964)

Honestly, Trey Parker and Matt Stone basically prop up Comedy Central. They only have, what, 3 shows that are really big? The Daily Show, The Colbert Report, and South Park. South Park seems to be the top even in that category. Comedy Central needs them more than the other way around. Hell South Park has enough following that it could be profitably distributed as a web series and still make plenty of money from ads and merchandise sales.

Re:Throw their weight around (1)

Chaos Incarnate (772793) | more than 4 years ago | (#31947058)

They're getting what will be a fourth (I hope), Futurama, in June.

Re:Throw their weight around (3, Insightful)

rolfwind (528248) | more than 4 years ago | (#31947180)

I think you overestimate the current profitability of the online audience... hell, South Park even made fun the difficulty to monetize online success in "Canada on Strike", a relatively recent episode.

Otherwise, I agree with you, those 3 shows carry comedy central. Comedy Central tries to strike out on other good shows but they usually suck, whether cartoons (Drawn Together, Ugly Americans) or shows like Tosh.0.

Hell, reruns of Futurama is their 4th biggest thing, but seeing the same 60 episodes gets old fast... hopefully the new ones will be good.

Re:Throw their weight around (1)

interkin3tic (1469267) | more than 4 years ago | (#31947196)

They only have, what, 3 shows that are really big? The Daily Show, The Colbert Report, and South Park.

What would you expect? This is the same network that sucessfully pressured Dave Chappelle until he quit. The same network that had reruns of SNL and then decided to instead pick up Mad TV reruns. And that was in just the two or three years I had cable.

Re:Throw their weight around (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31947264)

As someone who used to work at CC, I'll tell ya they know for sure they need South Park. There are very strict rules about what southpark content can be posted online when, and so on and so forth. However, the legal dept doesn't always answer to the biz guys. That, or the whole thing could just be some kinda PR stunt.

Still, a lot of it I'm sure it based around detailed, multi-year contractual agreements between CC and SP. No network, however much they needed a show, would put themselves in a scenario where legal doesn't have final say in what gets aired.

So throwing their weight around isn't exactly the same as an at will employee threatening to quit if they don't get Hawaiian shirt Fridays.

Re:Throw their weight around (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31947346)

Could always move to TBS. :)

Religion: source of all evil (0, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31946984)

fuck Muhammad. Or I should say, fuck the people that take following his dumb ass so seriously.

Re:Religion: source of all evil (2, Insightful)

Paul server guy (1128251) | more than 4 years ago | (#31947176)

Too bad you posted that AC - Or are you afraid as well?

Give them an inch (4, Insightful)

interkin3tic (1469267) | more than 4 years ago | (#31947010)

Ah, comedy central has made it clear that in response to death threats, they'll censor themselves. I'm sure that will be the last time religious nuts get their panties in a twist and threaten them with violence because they're angry. After all, religious fundamentalism goes hand in hand with being reasonable.

Wonder if we'll ever see Colbert gagged because some right-wing "hutatree" terrorist realized they were being made fun of...

Re:Give them an inch (5, Funny)

feepness (543479) | more than 4 years ago | (#31947148)

Ah, comedy central has made it clear that in response to death threats, they'll censor themselves.

Someone needs to death threat them into releasing the episode.

Re:Give them an inch (5, Funny)

Kenja (541830) | more than 4 years ago | (#31947158)

So we respond in kind. Threaten violence if they censor stuff. I'm sure they'll respond in a reasonable manor.

The media really are pussies (5, Insightful)

Sycraft-fu (314770) | more than 4 years ago | (#31947026)

I am more than a little tired of this crap of "Oh we have to be culturally sensitive towards the Muslims." No, we don't. We don't need to be culturally sensitive to anyone. I liked Philip Pullman's talk about this general idea when he said "No one has the right to live without being shocked, no one has the right to spend their life without being offended." (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQ3VcbAfd4w&feature=player_embedded).

The media needs to learn that about the Muslims as well. They aren't a special group any more than Christians or Atheists or anyone else. If they want to get whiny about people making fun of them the answer needs to be "Shut up, nobody cares," and then go back to making fun.

A very important part of free speech is the ability to make fun of things, including, maybe even especially, the things people hold sacred.

Re:The media really are pussies (1)

Dragoniz3r (992309) | more than 4 years ago | (#31947112)

But... but... but... if we make fun of them then the middle east will continue to hate us and they'll blow up more of our buildings!!! and then we'll have to invade their countries again to make them stop hating us!!

Re:The media really are pussies (1)

Jorl17 (1716772) | more than 4 years ago | (#31947142)

There's a problem: it doesn't depend on us. It'd all be fine if we could all cope with the fact that we're mocked at; but the muslims have a different culture and some of them aren't used to coping with that. What's the problem with not coping? Banging is the problem, because they can cause terror.
You can't just come to /. and say: "Grow up, you shouldn't bother with that.". You need to understand that they won't listen to you and that they can effectively attack people because of it, as I see it.
We need to make them see that, indeed, people should control themselves when they're mocked at. On the other hand, you can't just skip over the whole "making see" process and suddenly start showing them Muhammad in a bear suit -- that's just ridiculous. Imagine you're used to never being mocked and, suddenly, without knowing that's possible, or even acceptable, people start stripping your clothes off and laughing, what could happen? Bad things, because you weren't taught how to behave in such a situation.

Many Muslims are in a situation similar to what we went through with Crusades and the like. It's a phase (and they aren't nearly as bad as we were back then, really) -- it's a transition phase and we need to help them go through it; baby steps.

So, you see, I agree with you, just not with the method that was implicit in your text. And this applies to all pseudo-religions, as I, myself, am an atheist-bastard.

Re:The media really are pussies (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31947202)

Many Muslims are in a situation similar to what we went through with Crusades and the like. It's a phase (and they aren't nearly as bad as we were back then, really)

"we" were? Wowbagger, is that you? Personally, I wasn't alive during the Crusades, but I'm glad you were and are here to tell us about it.

In any case, here among us non-immortal people who are currently alive: anyone who is offended by things like this needs to grow the fuck up.

Re:The media really are pussies (0, Troll)

MightyMartian (840721) | more than 4 years ago | (#31947408)

In any case, here among us non-immortal people who are currently alive: anyone who is offended by things like this needs to grow the fuck up.

Or remove themselves to some place occupied by equally cowardly co-religionists, where they can hide themselves in an imposed monoculture and leave everyone else to behave like adults.

Re:The media really are pussies (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31947216)

True except yes they are definitely taught how to behave in those situations.

Re:The media really are pussies (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31947328)

Mohammad with a lit bomb in his turban: *-O)):~{>

Is this OK or do I deserve to die?

Re:The media really are pussies (4, Insightful)

couchslug (175151) | more than 4 years ago | (#31947184)

"A very important part of free speech is the ability to make fun of things, including, maybe even especially, the things people hold sacred."

An even more important part of free speech is the right to attack and ridicule any belief and any person. This is vital to freedom because otherwise restraints on speech will be exploited to censor debate and stop opposition.

As for the superstitions of the desert, it would be nice if their followers had but one throat and my hands were on it.

Re:The media really are pussies (5, Funny)

interkin3tic (1469267) | more than 4 years ago | (#31947234)

The media needs to learn that about the Muslims as well. They aren't a special group any more than Christians or Atheists or anyone else. If they want to get whiny about people making fun of them the answer needs to be "Shut up, nobody cares," and then go back to making fun.

As an agnostic I'm possibly offended that agnostics weren't specifically mentioned in that statement at all. Maybe offended. I mean, I have no real proof one way or the other.

Re:The media really are pussies (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31947274)

Cool story, nigger.

The terrorists have won (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31947044)

The heavily censored version of episode 201 that aired last night has a lot of people angry, including the show's creators.

The terrorists have won.

Re:The terrorists have won (5, Informative)

gyrogeerloose (849181) | more than 4 years ago | (#31947338)

The terrorists have won.

They won on October 26, 2001, the day that George W. Bush signed the USA PATRIOT Act [wikipedia.org] into law.

Terrible. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31947046)

Censoring South Park in this manner only serves to justify the terrorist's methods, and makes the show unwatchable.

Something funny about all this (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31947064)

Did anyone else read that and think why would Comedy Central bleep the ending? It sounds like maybe they are stirring up their own controversy

Re:Something funny about all this (4, Interesting)

eln (21727) | more than 4 years ago | (#31947122)

Maybe since the ending speech (according to the link) was all about intimidation and fear, Comedy Central thought it would be too blatantly hypocritical to actually air it.

Re:Something funny about all this (1)

sznupi (719324) | more than 4 years ago | (#31947228)

I think I wish now for a full episode made of blips, essentially...

Mohamad == pedo bear (5, Funny)

QuantumG (50515) | more than 4 years ago | (#31947070)

Come get me you extremist fucktards.

Re:Mohamad == pedo bear (0, Troll)

geekoid (135745) | more than 4 years ago | (#31947160)

As soon as Mohammad wipes my jiz off his beard, I'll send him by.

Re:Mohamad == pedo bear (0, Redundant)

Mashiki (184564) | more than 4 years ago | (#31947368)

He's a bit busy screwing 9yr old girls right now, I called the cops but they refused because of the "M" word.

Re:Mohamad == pedo bear (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31947254)

The Muslim extremists only really get pissed if you post images of Muhammad. They don't go after people who simply call them "pedos" and "fucktards".

Prove you are not a chickenshit, and post offensive pictures of Muhammad on your domain.

Otherwise, please shut the fuck up and stop polluting the thread.

Re:Mohamad == pedo bear (2, Interesting)

QuantumG (50515) | more than 4 years ago | (#31947310)

http://quantumg.net/OhMaome.jpg [quantumg.net]

Been there since Mar 23 2008...

The real question... (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31947078)

Does Mohammed shit in the woods?

The terrorists win! (5, Insightful)

NetNinja (469346) | more than 4 years ago | (#31947098)

And this is what happens when you let terrorists censor you.

Re:The terrorists win! (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31947398)

He who would trade liberty for some temporary security, deserves neither liberty nor security. -Benjamin Franklin

1984? (4, Interesting)

adbge (1693228) | more than 4 years ago | (#31947110)

This kind of draconian censorship is unacceptable. Go tell Comedy Central why you'll no longer be watching:

http://www.comedycentral.com/help/questionsCC.jhtml [comedycentral.com]

Re:1984? (2, Insightful)

Beelzebud (1361137) | more than 4 years ago | (#31947134)

On please. Go back and re-read 1984, and tell me how a comedy channel is the same thing as a fascist dictatorship... If this was government censorship, you might have a point.

Re:1984? (1)

flabordec (984984) | more than 4 years ago | (#31947404)

Man the guns! Destroy this fascist, draconian dictatorship that is Comedy Central! Do not allow them to control what we think by bleeping parts of episodes they air just because they received a death threat!! Because, you know, adbge would continue making fun of Islamics even if they threatened to kill him.

Free Publicity Rules! (3, Insightful)

Beelzebud (1361137) | more than 4 years ago | (#31947156)

To me this smells like one giant PR stunt.

Re:Free Publicity Rules! (1, Funny)

BitHive (578094) | more than 4 years ago | (#31947182)

Or maybe stupid shit just happens. You don't need a conspiracy for everything. Let me guess, Ron Paul supporter?

Pathetic (4, Insightful)

kuwan (443684) | more than 4 years ago | (#31947190)

What Comedy Central did was absolutely pathetic. Parker & Stone had already self-censored the episode by not actually showing any pictures of Muhammad and the way they did it was absolutely hilarious. But apparently you can't even speak the work "Muhammad" on Comedy Central. That Comedy Central allows them to ridicule anything and everything - any and all other religions are open game - but when it comes to anything Islam-related suddenly there's a whole new set of rules. Hypocrisy and cowardice at its finest.

I hope that the uncensored version makes its way out soon.

some one had to say it... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31947214)

In Soviet Russia, they censor the terrorists
In America, the terrorists censor you

Paging all CC workers (1)

tesla_reincarnated (1773220) | more than 4 years ago | (#31947220)

We need someone from the inside to wiki-leak it.

The media makes it worse... (4, Insightful)

socz (1057222) | more than 4 years ago | (#31947230)

This morning I heard "so who is really to blame? The creators of south park who write the offensive satire or those who are making the threats of possible violence and death? Well, obviously those making threats are wrong, but what about the creators?"

So lets see, at least in the United States of America we have the beleif of "Freedom of Speech" right? That means we can dissent when we feel especially strong about something.

So I figure, for anyone who says "the creators are wrong in their satire" just opens the door for "those hippies supporting marijuana" (Viva Marijuana was the sign I saw this morning on the way to work) to also be "censored."

Oh but that's totally different right? Lets move to 'scientology.' Why should they not be allowed to censor people? Political groups? Schools? Religions with abuse scandals? Where/when do we stop censoring?

The best and most straightforward argument I have heard regarding this is:
"South Park has made fun of Christians, Jews, people of different ethnicities and organizations. But none other than the Muslims have threatened violence before." That should tell us where the real problem lies.

From my point of view, when I first saw South Park I was offended (Jesus Christ Vs. Santa Claus). But as time passed and I gave it a chance... eventually viewing it when it came on Comedy Central I enjoyed it. As a matter of fact, I regularly recommend it to people when key issues come up. Such as their red cross/catholic scandal episode.

Finally, what happened with Issac Hayes was tragic but eye opening. He shows that "I can be part of something (great) that covers a lot of subjects - that consequently offend everyone at some point or other, as long as it doesn't offend me or my beliefs."

I asked the question (2, Insightful)

Huzzah! (1548443) | more than 4 years ago | (#31947238)

of a guy who was making and selling intentionally offensive/controversial items (Jesus dildos and the like) why he didn't have a dildo in Mohammed's likeness. He said that he was a coward because he didn't want to die, and making Christians mad was OK because they wouldn't walk up and stab him in the chest.

I infer from that that those who enjoy christian-bashing would quit if the christians started being equally forgiving as followers of Islam are.

Re:I asked the question (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31947416)

The christians have already had their fun. It's the muslim's turn. Presumably it will be the mormons or scientologists next.

The article is "censored" too (1)

nawitus (1621237) | more than 4 years ago | (#31947278)

Well, I live in Finland, and http://www.southparkstudios.com/news/3878 [southparkstudios.com] gets redirected to some .fi site which just gives an error "Due to copyright and other legal reasons, South Park video content cannot be viewed outside the United States.". So basically I can't even read their news section or TFA. Anyone have a mirror?

Re:The article is "censored" too (1)

Dunbal (464142) | more than 4 years ago | (#31947396)

Try this [xepisodes.com] link, mate. Greetings from Costa Rica. It worked for me.

Re:The article is "censored" too (1)

Mashiki (184564) | more than 4 years ago | (#31947414)

Posted on: 04.22.10
A Statement from Matt and Trey

In the 14 years we've been doing South Park we have never done a show that we couldn't stand behind. We delivered our version of the show to Comedy Central and they made a determination to alter the episode. It wasn't some meta-joke on our part. Comedy Central added the bleeps. In fact, Kyle's customary final speech was about intimidation and fear. It didn't mention Muhammad at all but it got bleeped too. We'll be back next week with a whole new show about something completely different and we'll see what happens to it.

That's it in the entirity. Try going to http://www.thecomedynetwork.ca/ [thecomedynetwork.ca] they have most of the same stuff posted there.

The Comedy Network is a Terrorist Organization. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31947292)

To open the floodgates that allow your country to be pushed around by psychotic religious fundies in this manner is unacceptable.

          Comedy Central has proved through this action that they believe the American People should bend to the will of a terrorist organization who will threaten them for treating them just like everyone else in the world.

          Shame on you.

Color me surprised (1)

Bemopolis (698691) | more than 4 years ago | (#31947318)

Another religious Southern white dude ruins America. Shocker. At least this one isn't president.

LOL ISLAM (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31947322)

Death to Islam!!!

They will push us, and everyone who will not suck islams cock, to that end. Just you watch...

I'd rather destroy them while it's still a 'choice', and not a 'neccesity'. ala the 3rd reich. ;)

Fuck Allah, the pork eating hypocrite. :P

The West is running scared (1)

yorktown (947019) | more than 4 years ago | (#31947344)

The fact that Comedy Central engages in censorship should surprise no one. After all, how many major newspapers in the U.S reprinted the Jyllands-Posten Muhammed cartoons? Not many. [wikipedia.org] And they refused to print the Jyllands-Posten Muhammad cartoons out of fear of what the Muslims would do.

Hitoshi Igarashi (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31947364)

Know him? He was stabbed to death in the early nineties. He was also the Japanese translator for "The Satanic Versus". The Italian translator was stabbed but I believed he survived. Two book stores were bombed in Berkeley because of "The Satanic Versus".

Bottom line is that if they live up to their threats they go after everybody. So to say that people at Comedy Central, or perhaps even cable companies who broadcast Comedy Central are expected to put their lives on the line for South Park is just asking way too much...if "they" live up to their threats.

But that's the American way, isn't it...let the other person give up their life for my uncensored South Park viewing benefit.

sigh...

Next Episode... (1)

Cha0$ (846040) | more than 4 years ago | (#31947380)

Matt and Trey should make another episode where all the characters start using the name Muhammad as a generic nickname, like dude, and they all call each other Muhammad. Then they should introduce a bunch of random characters as the episode goes on, and one of them is inconspicuously the 'real' Muhammad, but they never say who it is. That should pretty much force Comedy Central to either censor the entire episode or admit what they did was stupid.

Religion is a virus. (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31947384)

Islam is just a particularly stupid and virulent version of it.

Why is Islam special? (3, Insightful)

adamofgreyskull (640712) | more than 4 years ago | (#31947388)

I'm not being funny, but South Park has made fun of a lot of other religions [wikipedia.org] and as far as I know, have not received death threats from any of them. This is what I remember, but you can see for yourself at Wikipedia:
  • Atheism
  • Christianity - (Jesus's public access show, etc.)
  • Mormonism - (Complete deconstruction/mockery of the articles of faith, mockery of John Smith)
  • Catholicism - (General mockery, representation of priests as homosexual paedophiles, queen spider controlling the religion)
  • Scientology - (Do I need to elaborate?)

What's more, they've even depicted Muhammad before!! In the episode Super Best Friends [wikipedia.org] . It boggles the mind that followers of a religion of love can be so hateful over something so mind-bogglingly ridiculous.

Re:Why is Islam special? (2, Informative)

Dunbal (464142) | more than 4 years ago | (#31947432)

Hell, in the same episode they have a "Jesus", "Moses", "Krishna", "John Smith", "Lao Tze", etc. It's not like Mohammed was singled out.

Send your complaints to Comedy Central (4, Informative)

Henry Pate (523798) | more than 4 years ago | (#31947434)

Questions and Comments form [comedycentral.com]

Islam is dangerous. (3, Interesting)

unity100 (970058) | more than 4 years ago | (#31947444)

If any of you have actually read koran, you will know - it is not only a religious text, intending to govern inner space of an individual. It is a fully laden constitution, complete with civil and criminal law. Everything, ranging from how to distribute inheritance to what 'rights' minorities can have in an islamic society, is tied to concrete rules there. Curiously, most of the rules contained therein are similar with hedjaz tribal customs and laws (particularly quraish tribe) from pro mohammad times.

However, because koran is the 'unchanged' word of god (so says islam), it is unobjectionable. Add to that the fact that islam based on koran is put forth as the only way to live for muslims in koran, it makes islam impossible to coexist with any other social system or law. This is the cause of the friction in countries that are not from middle east, have modern legislations, and muslim minorities.

Egyptian reformers tried to deal with these, tried to 'modernize' islam, and 'reinterpret' koran in the light of modern principles. Results were disastrous. Some of them were killed, some of them had to flee the country, and some of them had to shut up. The struggle continues even to this day. Because koran is put forth as unchanged word of god, it is impossible to find any excuse to reinterpret it. And because you cant reinterpret it, you cant make it compatible with modern principles and views.

And this creates the basis of power for islamism, ie the noticeable segment of muslim organizations that intend to create a one world sharia government. It is impossible to argue against them, because of the above issues.

Ironically, muslims also suffer oppression from this, because the direct interpretation of koran, well, comes up medieval. If you attempt to fully adhere to islam, numerous civil oppressions become inevitable, due to the rulings set in koran. However, mild muslims, a noticeable percentage of muslim population around the world, also cant argue against this, because it is set in koran, and koran is unchanged word of god.

Until these issues are solved, islam will be creating problems and not be able to fit in.

(any muslim slashdotters, please spare me the 'you dont know real islam' shit, i was a muslim once and i studied koran at length, with cross references to mohammad's hadith, unless many of so called muslims which use that bullshit excuse despite not having ever read koran once. so save it).

Lets censor the fundamentalists (2, Interesting)

jonfr (888673) | more than 4 years ago | (#31947450)

I am tired of this nonsense. I suggest that we start to censor the fundamentalists like they try to censor our free speech.

Good offence is the best defence in some cases.

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