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Pakistan Court Orders Facebook Ban Over Mohammed Images

timothy posted more than 4 years ago | from the certainly-should-block-wikipedia-too-then dept.

Censorship 949

jitendraharlalka writes with this excerpt from Al Jazeera English: "A Pakistani court has issued a ban on the social networking site Facebook after a user-generated contest page encouraged members to post caricatures of Prophet Mohammed. The Lahore High Court on Wednesday instructed the Pakistani Telecommunications Authority (PTA) to ban the site after the Islamic Lawyers Movement complained that a page called 'Draw Mohammed Day' is blasphemous. ... 'We have already blocked the URL link and issued instruction to Internet service providers,' Khurram Mehran, a spokesperson for the PTA, said."

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Censorship (2, Insightful)

micronix1 (590179) | more than 4 years ago | (#32270656)

They should block Google too then.

Seems reasonable (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32270674)

A theocracy would probably want to ban intentional mass blasphemy, especially when it was done for commercial purposes.

Re:Seems reasonable (5, Insightful)

jcr (53032) | more than 4 years ago | (#32270706)

There is no such thing as a reasonable theocracy.

-jcr

Re:Seems reasonable (3, Insightful)

Cheezymadman (1083175) | more than 4 years ago | (#32270780)

There isn't even such thing as a reasonable theist.

Re:Seems reasonable (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32270812)

Human rights is pretty tricky to observe as well.

Re:Seems reasonable (1)

K. S. Kyosuke (729550) | more than 4 years ago | (#32270958)

What has that to do with the above?

Re:Seems reasonable (1)

haderytn (1232484) | more than 4 years ago | (#32270872)

There is no such thing as reason.

Re:Seems reasonable (3, Funny)

gyrogeerloose (849181) | more than 4 years ago | (#32270938)

That's unreasonable.

Re:Seems reasonable (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32270828)

Meh. There's not such thing as reasonable government. Period. Reasonable covername is an oxymoron just like army intelligence or living dead.

Mohammed? (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32270686)

You mean the pedophile?

Re:Mohammed? (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32270912)

You're supposed to say "You mean the pedophile (peace be upon him)?"

You insensitive clod!

LOL.... (3, Insightful)

Em Emalb (452530) | more than 4 years ago | (#32270690)

LOLMohammad?

Someone has had to have done that somewhere, right?

I don't get it. I mean, sure, I respect the Muslim religion, just as I respect Christianity, Buddhism*, etc.

But fuck man, relax. It's just those heathen bastards (who are gonna go to hell according to you anyway) so let them have their fun. Please, tell me, exactly HOW does this defile Mohammad? Dude's been dead for a long time. Trust me, he don't give a damn.

*Has this been deemed an official religion?

Re:LOL.... (5, Informative)

Culture20 (968837) | more than 4 years ago | (#32270732)

exactly HOW does this defile Mohammad?

The actual problem is that an image of Mohammed might lead to Mohammed worship instead of worship of Allah. Of course, that's not the way it's treated any more.

Re:LOL.... (1)

negRo_slim (636783) | more than 4 years ago | (#32270880)

Best part of all this... It's just one troll page among many. There's a whole multinational sub culture of trolling that exists on Facebook with obvious roots in 4chan.

It's amazing that a bunch of punk kids from Australia, US and UK can have this kind of impact, lol.

Re:LOL.... (2, Insightful)

Jah-Wren Ryel (80510) | more than 4 years ago | (#32271052)

It's amazing that a bunch of punk kids from Australia, US and UK can have this kind of impact, lol.

Its not them per se, its a slow news day so they got lots of publicity from CNN and Fox at which point it became front page news and the ultra-conservatives couldn't ignore that. That's kinda the way "news" works - its designed to either make you mad or make you sad. This one has been a vicious circle where one group gets to get mad about what another group does in response to news making them mad.

Re:LOL.... (5, Interesting)

Jah-Wren Ryel (80510) | more than 4 years ago | (#32270994)

The actual problem is that an image of Mohammed might lead to Mohammed worship instead of worship of Allah. Of course, that's not the way it's treated any more.

That's partly true. There are plenty of images of Mohamed in arabic history books. There are even rulings by various religious authorities that such images are fine. Of course there are also rulings by the more crazy authorities that those images in the books are not OK.

But there is also a whole bunch of attitude about insulting Mohamed that is in addition to the idolatry prohibition. Its comparable to all the ultra-conservative catholics freaking out about Scorsese's "The Last Temptation of Christ" or Serrano's "Piss Christ" - those guys both got plenty of death threats in response to their work.

Re:LOL.... (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32271026)

Let me get this straight.
-Representation of allah is forbidden.
-to avoid muslims worshipping mohammad instead of allah, the rule that applied to allah now (since 16th century) also applies to mohammad.

Re:LOL.... (3, Insightful)

melikamp (631205) | more than 4 years ago | (#32271056)

What I cannot wrap my head around are the instances where radicals want people in other countries, with different laws, to obey a radical Islamic law. WTF? How would they feel if the United States used violence to make them obey laws they don't care about? Oh, nevermind...

Re:LOL.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32270748)

And what's not an official religion? People who celebrate Friday?

Re:LOL.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32270900)

And what's not an official religion? People who celebrate Friday?

Freyja's Day! I think you're onto something!

"Sorry, I must observe Freyja's day. And Thor's Day. And Woden's Day. And Tiw's day and Saturn's day too. I must also celebrate the Sun's Day and the Moon's Day while I'm at it."

Re:LOL.... (2, Insightful)

Monkeedude1212 (1560403) | more than 4 years ago | (#32270856)

To answer your *, yes, Buddhism pretty much is a religion. Though you'd be hard pressed to find any idol or deities associated with it. It aims to answer the same basic questions and tries to guide you in the same aspects of life.

And also yes, Mohammed has been depicted quite a few times before, but not usually without reprimand or on such large scales. There was a cartoonist who depicted him, with a bomb for a turban, and that caused quite an uproar, as you can imagine. Not too long ago either.

It is just religious fanatics who are threateningly upset by it. If someone went around to all the Jewish homes in New York and put Ham on the door handles, you bet it'd make the news. That's kind of whats happening here, it's just one of those things that would be like being disrespectful on purpose.

I can understand their anger, but not normally their reaction. Can't act like Christians are any less barbaric, they are some of the strongest supporters of the military, and the military is occupying the middle east.

Disclaimer: You can spare the "I'm Christian and I don't support the military" and the likes kind of comments. This is all generalization, and stereotyping. I know not everyone feels the same way, and neither do the Muslims. There are quite a large number of Muslims who don't really care if you draw Mohammed, its your undoing to them.

Re:LOL.... (0)

Vinegar Joe (998110) | more than 4 years ago | (#32271032)

To answer your *, yes, Buddhism pretty much is a religion. Though you'd be hard pressed to find any idol or deities associated with it.

Are you serious?

http://travelsintaiwan.blogspot.com/2008/01/big-buddha-of-baguashan-changhua.html [blogspot.com]
http://www.discoverhongkong.com/eng/attractions/outlying-giant-buddha.html [discoverhongkong.com]
http://www.sacred-destinations.com/thailand/bangkok-wat-pho [sacred-destinations.com]
http://www.malaysiasite.nl/buddhaeng.htm [malaysiasite.nl]

Re:LOL.... (1)

Monkeedude1212 (1560403) | more than 4 years ago | (#32271050)

Buddha is not a Diety.

Re:LOL.... (5, Insightful)

Opportunist (166417) | more than 4 years ago | (#32270916)

I respect the Muslim religion, just as I respect Christianity, Buddhism*, etc.

I don't. Adults having imaginary friends sounds more like a serious mental condition that needs professional treatment, not respect.

"religion" in the traditional sense of the word... (0)

IANAAC (692242) | more than 4 years ago | (#32271136)

sure.

But there are religions that have no deity, or "imaginary friends" as you've stated.

what's wrong with imaginary friends? (2, Funny)

Phantom of the Opera (1867) | more than 4 years ago | (#32271146)

As long as you know your friends are imaginary, what is the harm? Even children know that their imaginary friends exist in a different reality than other people do. Just imagine a Christian with a reasonably constructed, imaginary Jesus. "Hey Jesus, what should I do? Oh? Not be an asshat? Great!"

Re:LOL.... (1)

gyrogeerloose (849181) | more than 4 years ago | (#32270974)

I respect the Muslim religion, just as I respect Christianity, Buddhism*, etc.

Be careful what you say here. In my case, that would be "not at all," which would no doubt get a fatwah slapped on my ass.

Re:LOL.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32271084)

LOLMohammad?

Someone has had to have done that somewhere, right?

I don't get it. I mean, sure, I respect the Muslim religion, just as I respect Christianity, Buddhism*, etc.

But fuck man, relax. It's just those heathen bastards (who are gonna go to hell according to you anyway) so let them have their fun. Please, tell me, exactly HOW does this defile Mohammad? Dude's been dead for a long time. Trust me, he don't give a damn.

*Has this been deemed an official religion?

Its just as much a religion as the magic man in the sky is.

everyone draw a religious dude (0, Redundant)

Phantom of the Opera (1867) | more than 4 years ago | (#32270692)

I wonder what the reaction would have been if it had 'Draw a Religious Figure Day', that had some of Mohammud but some of any other random religious figure.

Re:everyone draw a religious dude (1)

jschwrtz (1648849) | more than 4 years ago | (#32270820)

i want to draw a picture of a crazy sex orgy with religious figures of all denominations that day and see if it upsets the right-leaning facebook friends i have. i wonder if they realize that this is about censorship, not "those crazy muslims"

Re:everyone draw a religious dude (4, Insightful)

Vinegar Joe (998110) | more than 4 years ago | (#32270842)

How about a photo? Like maybe Andreas Serrano's "Piss Christ".......as far as I know, Serrano is still walking the streets (no bodyguards) without fear of being beheaded.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piss_Christ [wikipedia.org]

Re:everyone draw a religious dude (1, Insightful)

Jah-Wren Ryel (80510) | more than 4 years ago | (#32271104)

How about a photo? Like maybe Andreas Serrano's "Piss Christ".......as far as I know, Serrano is still walking the streets (no bodyguards) without fear of being beheaded.

On the flipside, Michael Moore had to hire a handful of bodyguards after he released Fahrenheit 9/11.

Or how about Jesse Helms stating that Bill Clinton had "better bring a bodyguard" if he comes to North Carolina?

Re:everyone draw a religious dude (1)

K. S. Kyosuke (729550) | more than 4 years ago | (#32270984)

I wonder what the reaction would have been if it had 'Draw a Religious Figure Day', that had some of Mohammud but some of any other random religious figure.

That would mean even more fun and more fun is always good!

Re:everyone draw a religious dude (1)

melikamp (631205) | more than 4 years ago | (#32271010)

'O'
-|-
| |
Muhammad

'O'
-|-
| |
Allah

Great, now to sit back and wait for death threats to start rolling in.

Where is it? (1)

TTA89 (961123) | more than 4 years ago | (#32270694)

I can't find it on Facebook!! What is the group called?

Re:Where is it? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32270726)

"Everybody Draw Mohammed Day!"

Re:Where is it? (2, Insightful)

Edisman (726822) | more than 4 years ago | (#32270742)

Here [facebook.com]

Also, a little background, courtesy of Wikipedia [wikipedia.org]

Re:Where is it? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32270744)

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Everybody-Draw-Mohammed-Day/121369914543425

and... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32270698)

...nothing of value was lost.

Durka durka (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32270702)

Muhammad jihad

What A Mess (-1, Troll)

WrongSizeGlass (838941) | more than 4 years ago | (#32270716)

This is just going to end badly for some people. Why engage extremists who are looking for a fight? They are looking for some fools to "volunteer" to receive their wrath, and these Facebook yuksters are raising both hands.

I don't share the view of the extremists, but how does not drawing the Prophet Mohamed hurt anyone? Surely the bear suit was funnier than any accurate depiction South Park could have come up with (though I was disappointed they didn't use the Sexual Harassment Panda bear suit). My parents taught me that sticking my hand into a fire was hot, that I'd get hurt and that I shouldn't do it. Surely these Facebook taunters learned that too?

Re:What A Mess (5, Insightful)

Em Emalb (452530) | more than 4 years ago | (#32270734)

I don't share the view of the extremists, but how does not drawing the Prophet Mohamed hurt anyone?

I don't share the view of the extremists, but how does DRAWING the Prophet Mohammad hurt anyone?

Re:What A Mess (-1, Troll)

WrongSizeGlass (838941) | more than 4 years ago | (#32270836)

I don't share the view of the extremists, but how does DRAWING the Prophet Mohammad hurt anyone?

It offends their religious sensibilities. I'll never understand why respecting someone else's religious views (or lack there of) is such a bad thing?

Everybody Draw Mohammed Day is only being done to prove those Muslims who who are offended by it. Disrespecting their religious views just to get a rise out of them is counterproductive, and when someone gets hurt or killed those who are on the receiving end of the violence will act as though they are surprised by it.

Don't poke a bear with a stick - it never ends well.

Re:What A Mess (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32270882)

Or, maybe, those progressive Muslims who get their facebook banned will have one more reason to not like the old guard.

Re:What A Mess (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32270928)

OK ... I think that women should be free, not slaves. Evolution is pretty obvious, killing innocents is a sin, I could go on ...

Why do THEY get to offend my religious sensibilities? Why should their ideas get precedence?

Re:What A Mess (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32271130)

Correct. If I had mod points, I wouldn't be ACing, obviously.

Re:What A Mess (5, Insightful)

P0ltergeist333 (1473899) | more than 4 years ago | (#32270930)

Respect the status quo, never question authority or religion. Never do anything controversial. People have a right to not be offended.- Things a total tool says.

Re:What A Mess (1)

LandDolphin (1202876) | more than 4 years ago | (#32270978)

End fine if you poke the bear with a lot of sticks, sticks that also happened to have sharp points too.

Re:What A Mess (4, Insightful)

hrimhari (1241292) | more than 4 years ago | (#32271028)

I don't support any of the two views (extremists and provocateurs), but the message you are passing is:

"Certain religious people have some sensibility to something. If you provoke them and they kill you, it's your fault".

It's that kind of message that encourages the provocateurs, not the sensibility. It's just disrespectful (while maybe a service) to make fun of other people's sensibilities, religious or not. But it's simply unacceptable to consider such a reaction acceptable.

Religion is free to tell their believers what they cannot do. But they cross the line when they want non-believers to abide to their laws.

Re:What A Mess (1)

Bragador (1036480) | more than 4 years ago | (#32270896)

I'm going to blatantly copy and paste an answer from Kwlest http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20100518205646AAeQc1L [yahoo.com]

----

I'm a Muslim & I'm glad you asked this question - (sorry if my answer is too long)

Some people who call them selves Muslims have blown this out of proportion, letting their Anger overcome them.

As Muslims if we call for protests on the drawings of Prophet Mohamed we should have protested the same way when the movie passion of Christ was made as it is degradation of one of the Greatest prophets sent by God

Sadly similar to some Christians and Jews who do not know their religion properly there is a group of Muslims who do not know what they are doing or why they are doing so; in the process they have done more harm to Islam than the original drawing.

But here is the reason why you should not draw a picture of a Prophet (notice I said prophet and not just Mohamed)

A prophet is a Human sent by God to spread the word of God and if one does a painting of this man then with due time others would start idolizing this picture and praying to it instead of God, associating partners with God is an unforgivable sin

it is best to avoid drawing pictures of prophets as this would result in hanging such paintings/Drawings in important places and respecting it as if it were holy

Having said that, drawing inappropriate pictures of anyone for that matter is morally incorrect, imagine I draw a picture of someone’s mother or father in a degrading manner how offensive is that to the persons children, they may not react the same way but it is equally degrading

Why would a non Muslim want to draw a picture of Prophet Mohamed in a wrong manner (if not to anger Muslims) you can call it freedom but Freedom is a trial from God and to miss use it is to be answerable to God and we have no right to kill or hurt such a person

When Prophet Mohamed visited a town and the people of that town stoned him God sent the Angel Gabriel and asked the prophet if you wish god has sent me to punish them and our beloved prophet said No, Maybe some day they will realize their mistake and accept the right path therefore I forgive them

When the prophet was not angry of attacks against him why should we act in Anger

I conclude with a saying from the Quran

O you who believe seek help through perseverance and Prayer; surely, ALLAH is with those who patiently persevere.” [Quran 02:153]

Lets be patient and Allah is surely with those who are patient as mentioned in above verse of the Quran and we should not worry about their plans against Islam, we all should pray and Ask Allah to save us from their evil plans against Islam

Re:What A Mess (2, Informative)

Mordok-DestroyerOfWo (1000167) | more than 4 years ago | (#32271106)

Why would a non Muslim want to draw a picture of Prophet Mohamed in a wrong manner (if not to anger Muslims) you can call it freedom but Freedom is a trial from God and to miss use it is to be answerable to God and we have no right to kill or hurt such a person

We do it to express our freedom. You need to respect that we feel the same way about freedom of speech in the West as Muslims feel about Mohammed. We are willing to protect it at any cost. In all honesty if the Muslim extremists didn't get their knickers in a bunch every time somebody drew a half-assed picture of Mohammed there wouldn't even be an issue. However since they feel the need to censor us in our own countries we feel the need to prove that we still have the freedom to ridicule anyone.

My religious tolerance ends when you start trying to take away my freedoms. And with Scientology.

Re:What A Mess (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32270762)

The greater question is why should someone fear doing something because somewhere in the world they don't like it? Why should your choices be affected by the morals of someone 5000 miles away.

Re:What A Mess (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32270766)

Why not engage the cunts? Isn't freedom of drawing worth fighting for?

Re:What A Mess (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32270798)

So you saying I should be scared of extremists and not do what I want to do? That religion cannot tell me what to do. I respect it and all others... but a rule/principal that cuases killings/riots/threats around the world is just crazy. I think if any country has Muslim population of more than 25% starts being just crazy........

Re:What A Mess (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32270894)

I think Michael Crichton put it quite succinctly at one point or another. If I could remember which book, I'd look it up. This is paraphrased:

"No-one deserves to be raped, but sometimes you have to ask what a woman is doing in the bad part of town with the wrong sort of clothes at 4 am in the morning"

My take: You go out to piss off a religious extremist, you get what you asked for.

My advice: Taunt safely. Bear-baiting can be fun, as long as you're out of reach of the bear.

Re:What A Mess (1)

ageoffri (723674) | more than 4 years ago | (#32270854)

Why should someone not of a particular cult be forced to follow the rules of that cult? Sure it is respectful to not draw Mohamed but respect also must be earned. The extremist who target artist with death threats and actual attempts on their lives are terrorist.

Your example of sticking your hand into a fire isn't even close. This is more like dealing with a school bully, no matter what you do that bully will be after you. How crazy is it to make threats over drawings? These crazies need to be exposed as what they are and there is no reason to kowtow to them.

Re:What A Mess (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32270874)

Because its a form of control that serves no other purpose than to please those who would be your masters. If they are given even an inch, they'd redefine their language and theocracy to say they own you.

Re:What A Mess (2, Insightful)

Domini (103836) | more than 4 years ago | (#32270992)

How does not sharing your point of view hurt anyone?

Enough said.

Re:What A Mess (5, Insightful)

TheMeuge (645043) | more than 4 years ago | (#32271002)

My parents taught me that sticking my hand into a fire was hot, that I'd get hurt and that I shouldn't do it. Surely these Facebook taunters learned that too?

That's not being prudent. That's being a coward.

Surely you're not suggesting that we relinquish our right to draw WHATEVER THE FUCK WE PLEASE, because someone is threatening us with bodily harm if we draw something that displeases them.

It is only natural for people to resist when their most basic right of self-expression is violated.

At this point, western democracies need to make a stand against the violence of radical Islam, even if it takes such comical form. If we fold any time they threaten us with violence, then we will live according to THEIR rules in no time.

Re:What A Mess (1)

Domini (103836) | more than 4 years ago | (#32271090)

My parents taught me that if I can't stand the fire, I should stay out of the kitchen.

I guess banning Facebook for themselves accomplishes this.

(This will not stop the fire from spreading however..)

Looks like they aren't using BGP this time as (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32270722)

it works fine here.

Blasphemy? (4, Insightful)

Omnifarious (11933) | more than 4 years ago | (#32270724)

How anybody who isn't a member of a religion could be committing blasphemy within the framework of that religion is beyond me.

Re:Blasphemy? (3, Insightful)

Bragador (1036480) | more than 4 years ago | (#32270772)

They believe they have the truth. So, even if you don't believe, you would be sinning against their prophet and Allah. For them, you are simply blind. You don't have the right to a different opinion since yours would be false.

It's the same thing with Christians that follow the rules by the book.

Re:Blasphemy? (2, Insightful)

Omnifarious (11933) | more than 4 years ago | (#32271012)

So, basically, everybody is Muslim already whether they like it or not?

Re:Blasphemy? (1)

sznupi (719324) | more than 4 years ago | (#32271108)

...It's the same thing with Christians that follow the rules by the book.

And those that don't either can't be called strictly Christians or...give the "by the book" group power, give them validity; so there's really not much difference.

Re:Blasphemy? (1)

sznupi (719324) | more than 4 years ago | (#32271080)

Every religion is the "true" one according to its followers. "Blasphemy", in this context, is really only the case when it is done to the mythology held dear by...those who determine whether it is blasphemy or not.

Just poking them in the eye - no reason to (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32270740)

We could just as well as said 'draw jesus fucking magdalene' or jesus jacking off cartoon - or the three wise men making out with mary.

Why not just be - and support it when the cause is just (like the danish cartoons). If we start trying to do something just to offend someone .. it is just unfair.

My late entry (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32270754)

{$$}8-)>~

... Please don't behead me.

Here's some more information (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32270758)

from one of the more erudite promoters of draw Muhammad day, thunderf00t.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z7ok4njJXI8

Bomb me (4, Insightful)

DeadJesusRodeo (1813846) | more than 4 years ago | (#32270760)

-
( ) - Hi! I'm the Prophet Mohammed! I KILL YOU!
-
|
/|\
|
/ \

Now kill everyone on Slashdot for Allah because of my "art".

New idea... (1)

lazydog512 (1815340) | more than 4 years ago | (#32270770)

So now the Anarchist's Cookbook should have a watermark of caricatures of Mohammed. Not only does the writer get a good free speech exercise, it prevents al-queda from learning howto make bombs! Do it with top secret nuclear documents, as well.

Read your history (0, Troll)

Itninja (937614) | more than 4 years ago | (#32270782)

Before people cry 'dude relax...what's the big deal?', they need to read their history. Remember that Islam is many centuries younger than Christianity. If one looks at Christianity from circa 1550 they will see atrocities, brutalizing of the irreverent, and murdering of heretics. Sometimes en masse. Heck, even so-called Christian nations felt Jesus' image was too sacred to display on-screen until the early 1900's

And before you say, 'yeah but this is 2010, they should be over that in these modern times!', remember that the real world is not like a game of Civilization; not all cultures started at the same time. In a few centuries, or less, Islam will be mellowed out.

Re:Read your history (1)

ducomputergeek (595742) | more than 4 years ago | (#32270848)

Yeah, but the question is how much damage are they going to cause before they get to an Islamic Enlightenment.

Re:Read your history (1)

Itninja (937614) | more than 4 years ago | (#32271078)

Probably a lot, sadly enough. There is kind of a J-curve with these kinds of things. But the enlightenment has to be organic. If the world tries to force it, it will just get worse.

Re:Read your history (1)

jnnnnn (1079877) | more than 4 years ago | (#32270888)

In a few centuries, or less, Islam will be mellowed out.

I hope Scientology never gets a turn...

Re:Read your history (1)

Bobfrankly1 (1043848) | more than 4 years ago | (#32270906)

In a few centuries, or less, Islam will be mellowed out.

Yeah, by then, it'll be the scientologists terrorizing people over making images of Tom Cruise.

Re:Read your history (1)

SupremoMan (912191) | more than 4 years ago | (#32270968)

No, in few centuries they will be mellowed out by today's standards. They will still be centuries behind.

Re:Read your history (1)

rm999 (775449) | more than 4 years ago | (#32271008)

Culture doesn't move linearly like that. Globalization should, and has to some extent, modernized much of the world. The problem in much of the Middle East isn't that the people are extremist, it is that the Governments are.

Re:Read your history (1)

broter (72865) | more than 4 years ago | (#32271014)

[snip] If one looks at Christianity from circa 1550 they will see atrocities, brutalizing of the irreverent, and murdering of heretics. Sometimes en masse. [snip]

Yeah, and there has been a lot of repair work done to civilization since the Renaissance. We've pretty much gotten back to end of the Roman empire when Christians started mucking things up. Now, it would be irresponsible to let someone come along and vandalize it all over again.

And before you say, 'yeah but this is 2010, they should be over that in these modern times!', remember that the real world is not like a game of Civilization; not all cultures started at the same time. In a few centuries, or less, Islam will be mellowed out.

Actually, every culture is continuous from day to day. So culture did start at the same time and has been going ever since. It just changes locally over time. That's the thing about humans: we don't do very well without culture, so everyone has one... and every "peoples" has had one. What do you think the arab people we doing before Mo came along?

There's no good reason to believe that any particular culture will mimic that of Western culture like a blueprint. Western culture is the way it is because of internal and external pressures over its history. Christianity won out over a more tolerant society at its beginning and so can fundamentalist Islam now.

The only question is how much pressure can those of us who value liberty put on it, and where should it be pressed.

Re:Read your history (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32271128)

Yeah, and there has been a lot of repair work done to civilization since the Renaissance. We've pretty much gotten back to end of the Roman empire when Christians started mucking things up.

That's, uh, an interesting view of history.

Re:Read your history (1)

KarlIsNotMyName (1529477) | more than 4 years ago | (#32271044)

Weren't they way ahead of the west in math and science while we were having our "dark ages"?

Anyway, judging them by their calendar is faulty. Wouldn't the Jews then be in interstellar space by now?

Re:Read your history (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32271102)

So what? I can't take a time machine and go back to 1500 and tell those guys to relax, but I can do something about these guys right now.

Ugh (1)

U8MyData (1281010) | more than 4 years ago | (#32270786)

...and this is what? Last time I checked it was the 21st century. I wish there was a solution to this mess, but I fear there never will be...

Finally, progress! (1)

webbiedave (1631473) | more than 4 years ago | (#32270788)

At least they didn't demand the killing of the page owner!

As an Athiest who supports secularism. (4, Insightful)

Zombie Ryushu (803103) | more than 4 years ago | (#32270802)

I don't agree with how Thunderf00t is conveying his message but he has made an important point. Islamic Censorship has gone way way too far. I support free speech, and secular, rational thinking. I do think that religion is sort of the Human biological equivalent of a computer virus, or malware. (Most Windows users on the face of the Earth are infected with malware of some sort. Equivalently, most Human brains are infected with a Malware called Religion. The virus is different in different parts of the world, but its still a virus.

Computer malware makes computers function in ways it shouldn't to propagate the virus. Religion makes Humans behave in ways or experience things in ways they shouldn't. Computer viruses are created by malicious Humans to steal money, and cover commit other crimes. Religions exist to steal money, and rationalize the committing of other crimes that would not normally be acceptable in secular culture.

Re:As an Athiest who supports secularism. (1)

ClintJCL (264898) | more than 4 years ago | (#32270852)

I support censoring people who don't close their open parenthesis :) ))))))))))))))

Here's what I don't get... (5, Insightful)

RyanFenton (230700) | more than 4 years ago | (#32270806)

I can definitely understand iconoclasm - the desire to prevent mere symbols from being more important than the core idea. Applied to Islam, it would be a prophet's desire that his message not be cheapened by allowing it to be tied too deeply with its imperfect messenger.

What I don't understand is how that is turned around and transformed into these series of death threats (and actions, and laws) that in effect make the depiction of the man more important than the depiction of the beliefs he was supposed to represent.

Is that really the first priority for those who want to spread the ultimate revealed truth of the universe - playing image police against every person who is not a believer? Seems a rather silly priority to have in the context.

Ryan Fenton

Re:Here's what I don't get... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32270922)

See also so-called Christians who spend every waking moment hating poor people and teh gheyz. Not exactly a Christ-like outlook.

Re:Here's what I don't get... (1)

Bugamn (1769722) | more than 4 years ago | (#32271086)

It seems to me that the iconoclasm lost its meaning and become a kind of icon on itself.

Duh! (4, Funny)

Bobfrankly1 (1043848) | more than 4 years ago | (#32270832)

Hello, it's called FACEbook! How long did you think it would be before Mohammed's face ended up on there?!

Theocracy (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32270886)

While not explicitly stated in the Qur'an, depiction of Mahomet is more or less banned by the religion (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Depictions_of_Muhammad ).
So religous extremists tend to get mad - and as radicals muslims (as radical christians) tend to see the whole world as subject to their law... Well, things happens.

If christian religous nuts (says, the guys from Rapture Ready, for example) had established a theocracy somewhere... Don't you think they would try to shut down Facebook if there was a "Draw Jesus doing bad things" ?

The problem here is that somehow, religous people have a theocracy running. The nature of the religion behing it is kinda irrelevant.
I wouldn't be happy living in a theocracy - even, say, a Bouddhist one. Or in any regim that see its rules & viewpoints as absolutes...

Every site, everywhere (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32270902)

I'd like to see caricatures of mohammed everywhere. Give these nutters a choice of abandon your stupid ideas, or leave the internet. I've had enough of religion. Enough.

What does it take? (2, Insightful)

LoudMusic (199347) | more than 4 years ago | (#32270982)

What does it take to get Facebook banned in the US? I'm totally behind that project. /me checks his Facebook account.

Okay, let me get it right. (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32271036)

Now if I want to keep islamic scriptkiddies, hacktivists and religious freaks off my website, all I have to do is post some pictures of muhammed and the governments will help me to keep them out of my server? Sweet!

Actually, the Facebook contest is WRONG!!! (0, Troll)

pandrijeczko (588093) | more than 4 years ago | (#32271038)

I'm Christian by birth, non-practicing & gave up on organised religion a long time ago because I'm a perfectly nice, law-abiding & considerate citizen without it - and anyone who knocks at my home trying to gain my interest in their religion, gets told to politely "Sod off".

However, if other people want to be part of an organised religion then I have no problem with that and don't consider it my place to inflict my irreligious views on them.

But quite clearly, the Facebook contest was done to *DELIBERATELY* incite religious harassment of Moslems and that is wrong, pure & simple. It's a well published fact that Moslems are offended by caricatures of Mohammed and I don't see how it's that important to feel the need to launch some kind of protest to force it down the throats of everyone, Muslim or non-Muslim.

Sorry, but if it was caricatures of disabled people or soldiers or killed in Afghanistan, then everyone would be up-in-arms about it and someone would be offended by it.

I'm all for Free Speech but I'm more for people demonstrating some intelligence & compassion when it comes to accepting others who look different or have different beliefs - inciting hatred is pathetic!

Re:Actually, the Facebook contest is WRONG!!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32271160)

I'm Christian by birth

How does that work?

Privacy (1)

asylumx (881307) | more than 4 years ago | (#32271062)

Guess they are concerned for Mohammed's privacy...?

how can you tell it's Mohammed? (1)

kylemonger (686302) | more than 4 years ago | (#32271068)

If no one knows what Mohammed looks like, how can you tell if someone is drawing a picture of him? Can I make a sketch of Lady Gaga and then scrawl "Mohammed" under it and expect a fatwa? More interestingly, can I scrawl "Mohammed" under someone else's drawing and have them killed?

Ban Slashdot too! (1)

Eil (82413) | more than 4 years ago | (#32271148)

8-D -- Prophet Mohammed

I find your lack of faith disturbing. (1)

lophophore (4087) | more than 4 years ago | (#32271154)

Maybe the Pakistanis should go all Vader on Facebook.

"I find your lack of faith disturbing."

More fairy tales.

Uggh.

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