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The Pirate Bay's Founding Organization Shuts Down

kdawson posted about 4 years ago | from the mission-pretty-much-accomplished dept.

Piracy 107

kcurtis sent the news that Piratbryån, the lobbying organization out of which The Pirate Bay sprang, has disbanded. (The torrent tracker is alive and well.) "Piratbyrån had many purposes, but could be described as a pro-piracy lobbying organization. It was founded in response to Antipiratbyrån, the local anti-piracy outfit in Sweden. The goal was to start a debate on copyright issues and how they affect society. Until then, most press in Sweden would simply take everything Antipiratbyrån said for granted. Internationally, Piratbyrån is mostly known for launching The Pirate Bay in the fall of 2003, just a few months after the group itself was founded. ... The final decision to disband the group came after Ibi Kopimi Botani, a prominent member and co-founder of the group, passed away. Without one of its greatest minds, the group would never be the same again, Piratbyrån's members felt."

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107 comments

Argh, Matey! (4, Funny)

WrongSizeGlass (838941) | about 4 years ago | (#32710634)

Abandon ship!!

Re:Argh, Matey! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#32710806)

What the fuck is going on in toronto!
We need media coverage!

Re:Argh, Matey! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#32710834)

A handful of university retards deciding to get hassled by the duly appointed peace officers of a town is hardly worthy of more than a passing mention of the attempted riot.

Re:Argh, Matey! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#32710904)

Riots were started by a trolling party. Peaceful protestors are now having their rights violated.
Being detained without access to legal counsel.

Re:Argh, Matey! (5, Funny)

value_added (719364) | about 4 years ago | (#32710836)

Our chief weapons are fear, surprise and ... oh, wait. Wrong skit. I'll come in again.

Our chief weapons are rum, sodomy, and the lash. They're Swedish? I'll come in again.

Our chief weapons are an unprouncable name, a role in giving a voice to millions of file-sharers who believed that copying is not a crime, and Ibi Kopimi Botani. He's dead? Fucking hell. I'll come in again.

Our chief weapons are culture, clusters and chaos. Ok, that sucks, but it was straight from the article. I'll come in again.

Our chief weapons are torrents.

Re:Parent not funny at all (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#32710864)

Please mod him down

Re:Argh, Matey! (1)

Errtu76 (776778) | about 4 years ago | (#32711100)

Our chief weapons are torrents.

And lawsuits. And the free publicity they create.

And the way they poke them with the soft cushions!

Re:Argh, Matey! (2, Insightful)

DrVxD (184537) | about 4 years ago | (#32711610)

And lawsuits. And the free publicity they create.

TANSTAAFL (There Ain't No Such Thing as a Free Lawsuit)

Re:Argh, Matey! (1)

blai (1380673) | about 4 years ago | (#32712754)

I'll licence it under GPL v3 - I promise!

try again (4, Funny)

commodoresloat (172735) | about 4 years ago | (#32711316)

our chief weapons are BORK BORK BORK

Re:Argh, Matey! (1)

MoldySpore (1280634) | about 4 years ago | (#32712078)

"If you'd played by the rules - the ghost pirate rules - and just run away, none of this would be happening! But nooo, you had to go nuts and kill a guy!"

Re:Argh, Matey! (1)

the_womble (580291) | about 4 years ago | (#32714494)

Our chief weapons are rum, sodomy, and the lash. They're Swedish? I'll come in again.

Rum, sodomy and the lash are associated with the navy, not pirates.

Re:Argh, Matey! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#32712288)

ITYM: Åbåndon ship!!

Mynd you, DMCÅ lawsuits Kan be pretty nasti...

In Memoriam eh? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#32710636)

Yup, they were sued and chose to stand down.

Re:In Memoriam eh? (2, Informative)

X0563511 (793323) | about 4 years ago | (#32713342)

Er, no. One of the founders died and the remainders thought that it just wasn't the same.

Try reading.

Re:In Memoriam eh? (1)

Lorens (597774) | about 4 years ago | (#32713716)

One of the founders died and the remainders thought that it just wasn't the same.

Try reading.

Reading carefully, it seems that the *only* surviving member thought it wouldn't be the same. Funny, I thought they were more than two . . .

Re:In Memoriam eh? (1)

worx101 (1799560) | about 4 years ago | (#32713788)

Nope, they gave up and used his death as an excuse.

Re:In Memoriam eh? (1)

hkmwbz (531650) | about 4 years ago | (#32713812)

Nope, they had been discussing this for a long time. The death of one of the founders was just the last straw. Other organizations have picked up the things they were doing anyway.

Hmm.. (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#32710642)

Without one of its greatest minds, the group would never be the same again, Piratbyrån's member felt.

That seems pretty weak of them. If someone died and their protege decided to give up, I'm pretty sure they'd be pissed (if they were still alive). I know I'd be pissed.

Re:Hmm.. (1)

nurb432 (527695) | about 4 years ago | (#32710794)

Or they felt they were not competent enough on their own yet, and calling it quits was(is) better then a long drawn out death.

Re:Hmm.. (1)

worx101 (1799560) | about 4 years ago | (#32713794)

But they could have at least TRIED

Re:Hmm.. (1)

hkmwbz (531650) | about 4 years ago | (#32713818)

And what would the point of that be? Try what? Do you even know what the group was trying to achieve?

Re:Hmm.. (5, Informative)

Yvanhoe (564877) | about 4 years ago | (#32711286)

The group founded the Pirate Bay who is alive and well and had good ties with the pirate party which, with 9% of ballots in Sweden, is alive and well. The original group was slowly becoming obsolete in the best way possible. The death of the founding member just made that more evident. Closing the group is more a way to show respect and to not cling on the past than a failure.

Re:Hmm.. (3, Informative)

Kjella (173770) | about 4 years ago | (#32712084)

The group founded the Pirate Bay who is alive and well and had good ties with the pirate party which, with 9% of ballots in Sweden, is alive and well.

The Pirate Party got 7.13% in the EU election, but they've been struggling to get visibility in polls in the run for the national election in September with 1-2% support when mentioned. The minimum limit is 4%, so they're okayish but it's a long way to go to become an established political party in parliament. In general many support their politics but they have taken a neutral stance outside their core politics to remain united so many end up voting left/right instead.

That said, they're not that far off as it sounds. While in the US there is problems with third parties with how the system works, it's a little bit like that with the 4% limit too as below that you get no representation and a lot of people won't vote for a party that "doesn't matter". If they start making people think they actually can make it and have a positive upswing in the polls they can get a positive feedback loop going and climb rapidly.

Polls aside, they are doing grassroot activity and they do have a good recruitment among young voters so they're alive and healthy that way. But gaining new voters by aging is a slow process, only something like 1/70th of the voters are replaced each year. But if all else fails, that bears promise for 2014...

Ninjas did it. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#32712526)

What you say makes no sense. There's only 1 explanation for the death of their Commodore: assassinated by Ninjas. Hell, I wouldn't doubt if their Commodore was secretly a Ninja himself only to suicide at the rigt moment to disrupt the Ebb and Flow of all political parties, waiting for the right time for The Pirate Party to expand and then kill itself like an overgrown fungus that releases too much Alcohol into it's environment. Damn Ninjas everywhere doing this. Brilliant tho'... They kill every seed of spirit this way: let it grow, overgrow beyond resources, then kill it all at once. This is how the 2-party system redirects inherint non-associated Libertarian political movements to allign into the Rite-less DNC and RNC parties, just to give them mis/contra-representation that poses all kinds of new political disputes and unwarranted liabilities under the facade of progress, and kill the movements in one fell swoop.

Re:Hmm.. (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#32712326)

Or you could see the joke and realize it's not a real person.

Kopimi = copy me

bus factor (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#32712406)

Without one of its greatest minds, the group would never be the same again, Piratbyrån's member felt.

That seems pretty weak of them. If someone died and their protege decided to give up, I'm pretty sure they'd be pissed (if they were still alive). I know I'd be pissed.

Shrug. A lot of organizations and projects have a low bus factor.

Re:Hmm.. (3, Insightful)

Tom (822) | about 4 years ago | (#32713596)

I am in a situation that is a bit comparable. I didn't die, but I left, and people decided to continue what I started. It is hard to describe how much it hurts every day to watch them. I built this group up and introduced most of what made them successful. Some gets continued, most gets twisted, some outright abused.

No, I'd much rather feel good if they had shut it down, or at least replaced it with something entirely their making. In this particular case, they didn't really have that option, though.

No, just continuing something for the sake of continuing it is not always what would please the original founder(s).

Re:Hmm.. (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#32715228)

and people decided to continue what I started. It is hard to describe how much it hurts every day to watch them. I built this group up and introduced most of what made them successful. Some gets continued, most gets twisted, some outright abused.

Just imagine how Jesus and Mohammad feel.

Re:Hmm.. (1)

tom17 (659054) | about 4 years ago | (#32717068)

I'm jealous of your username. A plain Tom these days is hard to find :(

Re:Hmm.. (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#32718402)

Wait ... are you the myspace Tom?

Re:Hmm.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#32722466)

I am in a situation that is a bit comparable. I didn't die, but I left, and people decided to continue what I started. It is hard to describe how much it hurts every day to watch them. I built this group up and introduced most of what made them successful. Some gets continued, most gets twisted, some outright abused.

Jesus?!? Is that you?

Re:Hmm.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#32714010)

Without one of its greatest minds, the group would never be the same again, Piratbyrån's member felt.

That seems pretty weak of them. If someone died and their protege decided to give up, I'm pretty sure they'd be pissed (if they were still alive). I know I'd be pissed.

OK mods, how the FUCK is THAT "Insightful"? Eh? Here I'll show you again just to make the point...

If someone died [...] they'd be pissed (if they were still alive)

No, they'd be alive thus rendering the whole thing moot.

Or they'd be dead and not give a shit.

Re:Hmm.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#32714108)

There are only nine million people in Sweden. You can probably count the number of people willing to fight for copyleft politically on one thumb.

Re:Hmm.. (1)

jim_v2000 (818799) | about 4 years ago | (#32717768)

Ah yes, great minds that come up with ideas like "Hey, wouldn't it be great if we set up a website that would be used almost exclusively for people to illegally trade copyright materials? And wouldn't it be great if we named that site after a word commonly used to refer to the practice of copyright infringement?"

Random Dude (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#32710646)

Fools! Ibi Kopimi Botani probably wanted his friends to pirate the shit out of everything in case he died.

Re:Random Dude (5, Funny)

an unsound mind (1419599) | about 4 years ago | (#32710756)

His name is "Kopimi" and they didn't keep a seeded copy handy? THOSE FOOLS!

Re:Random Dude (1)

haruchai (17472) | about 4 years ago | (#32710810)

Sad to say, your joke is flying over the heads of our fellow Slashdotters. And me without mod points.

it's a sad day for pirates everywhere (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#32710656)

What with the ACTA reaching the final stages, the Tenenbaum case, and the destruction of TPB, the future seems bleak for proponents of free information

Re:it's a sad day for pirates everywhere (4, Insightful)

sqrt(2) (786011) | about 4 years ago | (#32710680)

Although this is a sad day, as we've seen time and time again the loss of any one entity does not make a dent in bittorrent, or the exchange of ideas over the free internet. It's not a fight the content cartels or their shills in government can win.

Re:it's a sad day for pirates everywhere (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#32711186)

You seem to be missing the point, they shut down because it had done what it needed to do. Rise public awareness about copy-right, and whit the pirates in the parliament it had done so.
They where talking about shutting down for a while, now seemed to be a good moment.
This isn't a bad thing, its a good thing, because it means that the goals that where defined in 2003 have been competed.

Re:it's a sad day for pirates everywhere (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#32711248)

grow up you dumbassed freeloading cunt

Re:it's a sad day for pirates everywhere (2, Insightful)

Gazoogleheimer (1466831) | about 4 years ago | (#32713928)

I would like to note that "exchange of ideas over the free internet" is, notably, somewhat idealistic.

Re:it's a sad day for pirates everywhere (4, Informative)

morgan_greywolf (835522) | about 4 years ago | (#32710682)

Um, what destruction of TPB? Still works for me.

Re:it's a sad day for pirates everywhere (1)

Sanhedran (1803634) | about 4 years ago | (#32710766)

The Pirate Bay is redundant nowadays, especially when so many torrents posted there have the private flag set.

Re:it's a sad day for pirates everywhere (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#32711282)

I read that as have the pirate flag set. I didn't know they had one. Or is it implied?

Re:it's a sad day for pirates everywhere (1)

w00tsauce (1482311) | about 4 years ago | (#32712610)

Private torrents aren't allowed silly. Likewise, private trackers are blacklisted when you upload a torrent to TPB.

Re:it's a sad day for pirates everywhere (4, Informative)

Arancaytar (966377) | about 4 years ago | (#32710784)

Piratbyran is not the Pirate Bay; they just founded it. Ever since 2004 their only connection was being hosted on the same servers, and that only until they moved.

Long story short; TPB is alive and well and living in... well, wherever the hell their servers are this week.

Crying (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#32710670)

I'll be crying [not] for a while.

Pirate Party Still Alive (4, Informative)

RobinEggs (1453925) | about 4 years ago | (#32710678)

It's not like this is the end; the Pirate Party still has seats in the European Parliament. If they thought letting this particular organization die made the most sense in absence of some central figures, then I'm not sure I agree but it's not the end of their political movement and it damn sure won't be the end of their member's activity in similar organizations.

Nobody sold out, nobody quit; the majority of their membership will hopefully move on to different groups with the same goals.

Re:Pirate Party Still Alive (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#32710702)

The Pirate Party and Piratbyrån are unrelated organizations.

Re:Pirate Party Still Alive (1)

RobinEggs (1453925) | about 4 years ago | (#32710752)

The Pirate Party and Piratbyrån are unrelated organizations.

Yes, of course. I was simply pointing out that the underlying goals of Piratbyrån are still gaining momentum quickly, and will likely change the world with or without that particular group. Piratbyrån did a lot to get things started, and things won't end with their dissolution.

Re:Pirate Party Still Alive (3, Informative)

nawitus (1621237) | about 4 years ago | (#32710706)

The global pirate movement is only starting to gather momentum. This particular organization hasn't been very important for a few years now. For example, the Pirate Party of Finland has good chances to elect a member to the parliament in the elections next year.

Re:Pirate Party Still Alive (0, Troll)

JockTroll (996521) | about 4 years ago | (#32710840)

How long has it been "gathering momentum"? The media industry is going fast, after a slow start, and with its massive economic and political power it's winning everywhere. It has changed Swedish laws with no effort at all - imagine that, changing the laws of an entire sovereign nation, without democratic recourse. This is real power, no seat in the European Parliament can stand against it.
So the PP of Finland has "good chances" to elect ONE member NEXT YEAR? Do you realize that by next year there will be nothing to save? And what is ONE voice in a national parliament going to do against an overwhelming pro-business majority and international treaties that cannot be revoked by popular vote?

You want to act? Grab your weapons.

Re:Pirate Party Still Alive (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#32711154)

Lock and load boys, this is rebellion

Re:Pirate Party Still Alive (1)

icebraining (1313345) | about 4 years ago | (#32711388)

You do know that the European Parliament shot down ACTA by a very large margin in the last vote? My MEP isn't from any Pirate Party (our isn't a real party, just a movement), and yet he voted vehemently with them.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_EdNQ3oQR0_c/S_ryDNvviXI/AAAAAAAAEYc/9qJtwvzKrWA/s1600/2010+be+autocolantes+(13).JPG [blogspot.com]

It's a poster from one of our political parties. It says "Share your files".

Re:Pirate Party Still Alive (1)

Voulnet (1630793) | about 4 years ago | (#32711560)

I like this.

Re:Pirate Party Still Alive (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#32710774)

That is the main idea. Piracy movement gets its sources from the Anarchist movements of the 1800's, so they cannot depend on one leader or on one organization. They are a loose federation of different organizations with different platforms that get together sometime against a common enemy.
This is not some retarded pathetic loser meth-head child-abusers movement like the Nazi-Fascist-Racist Tea Party! So, the piracy and the Anarchist movement doesn't need leaders or organizations, it only needs the will from many people to fight against the big corporations, the press, the governments and all the reactionary hordes of Fox News followers.
The piracy and the Anarchist movement obviously will feel sad because of the Piratbryan closure, but will not die because of it.

Re:Pirate Party Still Alive (2, Funny)

icebraining (1313345) | about 4 years ago | (#32711946)

The word 'loose' actually well applied in a /. post? I can't believe my eyes!

Re:Pirate Party Still Alive (1)

hedwards (940851) | about 4 years ago | (#32712234)

I think you might be loosing your mind.

Re:Pirate Party Still Alive (1)

maxwell demon (590494) | about 4 years ago | (#32713376)

The word 'loose' actually well applied in a /. post? I can't believe my eyes!

Well, he probably wanted to write "lose" there, but made a typo. :-)

Re:Pirate Party Still Alive (5, Insightful)

dattaway (3088) | about 4 years ago | (#32710798)

Pirates never die. They simply board another ship. aaarrrggg!

"pirate party still has seats?" (1)

unity100 (970058) | about 4 years ago | (#32710850)

man. they are expected to become coalition partner in next swedish elections. not only that, you can understand that they were a huge factor in effecting the eu parl resolution that banned various cartel imposed measures of acta europe wide, like the 3 strikes measures.

the genie is out of the bottle.

Re:Pirate Party Still Alive (1)

Reziac (43301) | about 4 years ago | (#32710906)

They have actually achieved some seats? Tell me more, I haven't heard. I live in a cave. ;)

Re:Pirate Party Still Alive (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#32711136)

Christian Engström is a low performer as an MEP.

Anonymous Coward (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#32710690)

And nothing of value was lost.

liability? (1)

fyoder (857358) | about 4 years ago | (#32710696)

According to the fine article, the death of Ibi Kopimi Botani was the final catalyst for a decision which had been discussed for years. Apparently Piratbyrån existed not to find answers but to find questions, and since it has found all the relevant questions, its work is done.

It does sound a little lame, and I think people can be forgiven for wondering if association with a pro-piracy group wasn't hurting The Pirate Bay, and thus got axed as the pirates find themselves sailing stormy litigious seas.

The day the music died (-1, Offtopic)

wasabioss (1196799) | about 4 years ago | (#32710716)

I met a girl who sang the blues
And I asked her for some happy songs,
But she just smiled and turned away.
I went down to the music store
Where I'd heard the music years before,
But the man there said the music wouldn't play.
 
And in the streets: the children screamed,
The lovers cried, and the poets dreamed.
But not a word was spoken;
The church bells all were broken.
And the three men I admire most:
The father, son, and the holy ghost,
They caught the last train for the coast
The day the music died.
 
And they were singing,
"bye-bye, miss american pie."
Drove my chevy to the levee,
But the levee was dry.
And them good old boys were drinkin' whiskey and rye
Singin', "this'll be the day that I die.
"this'll be the day that I die."

depending on one person (3, Interesting)

fermion (181285) | about 4 years ago | (#32710732)

This is why organizations should not depend on one or a few people. In my life when I part of something that is run by a single person, even if that single person is me, i don't see much value in it. As soon as the person goes, so will the organization. The tea party in the US has it right. Funding from corporations that are destined to live as long as the US, but no formal leadership. Gingrich did it wrong with contract for America because eventually people could not stand his sins, and they lost it all. He went from being a person who was too poor to pay child support and whose children had to beg for food to one of the most powerful men in the world, but the conservative movement paid the price.

Re:depending on one person (2, Interesting)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | about 4 years ago | (#32710796)

The alternative can be even worse, though. A suitably constructed organization can be nigh-immortal; but making an organization immutable is a task requiring extraordinary cunning, skill, and more than a bit of luck. It generally isn't possible.

You don't want to be more brittle than you have to be; but having shutdown conditions that kick in if you have fulfilled, or can no longer move toward fulfilling, your objective is superior to shambling on in ossified organizational undeath until your environment eventually kills you.

Surviving your founder is pretty easy. Retaining correct function post-founder is much harder.

Re:depending on one person (3, Insightful)

lokpest (1136949) | about 4 years ago | (#32710882)

The organization's existence was never an end in itself. Those who were involved have moved on to other similar projects.

Organization exist for a purpose, when/if that purpose dont exist anymore its time to wrap up, close down and move on to new adventures.

Re:depending on one person (1)

Kjella (173770) | about 4 years ago | (#32711210)

This is why organizations should not depend on one or a few people. In my life when I part of something that is run by a single person, even if that single person is me, i don't see much value in it.

As much as you'd like to think that everyone in an organization or a company should be equally important, it's not true. There's always a few that really blaze the trail and many that tag along. If you're small, the organization may shut down or the company may fold. But being big doesn't mean it'll be the same if someone else takes over. You can look at Apple without Steve Jobs. You can try imagining the FSF without Stallman, or Linux without Linus. They'd go on but they wouldn't be the same. I think the cause and effect goes the other way around, if nobody else really cares about what you do then you'll be alone. If they do care, they might but not until you tell them you're stepping down and vacating the position. Most of the time - unless you're doing a really poor job, people want you to continue and not let you push it over on someone else. In the end I don't think many organizations have really succeeded by stopping up and turning the trailblazers into regulars, it's more that the trailblazers have built a big enough wake that you'll survive losing them.

As for Piratbyrån, there is now a political party (Piratpartiet) that's doing very much the same as what Piratbyråen would do so I doubt this is a big loss.

Re:depending on one person (1)

Tom (822) | about 4 years ago | (#32713574)

But this is not an organization that was intended to survive. It was intended to start a discussion and spread a message. It had a limited mission from the start.

I applaud them for realizing they had come as far as they would, and close down. It shows that they really cherish their ideals, and don't cling on to something that has been completed, just because they think it still needs a tiny bit of finish.

Pirate Bryan? (2, Funny)

CODiNE (27417) | about 4 years ago | (#32710788)

It's a group not a dude? Then they'll splinter off and start new groups? Like maybe... Pirate BOB??

I'm confused.

Who is Ibi Kopimi Botani & how did he die? (1)

Klinky (636952) | about 4 years ago | (#32710800)

Not to put too much tin foil on, but it's very hard to find many references to this person being connected to Piratbyran. He must have been a very behind the scenes kind of guy. Though could it be this person never existed or that they have faked their death to avoid legal issues. Just putting that out there in the lunatic fringe!

Ibrahim Botani (5, Informative)

Jah-Wren Ryel (80510) | about 4 years ago | (#32710830)

The man's real name was Ibrahim Botani - the pseudonym "Kopimi" was adopted because many pirates refer to themselves as kopimists - "kopi mi" --> "copy me."

Here's a somewhat autobiographical post in his blog. [blogspot.com] Unfortunately for most of slashdot's readership, it's not written in english.

Re:Ibrahim Botani (2, Informative)

Husgaard (858362) | about 4 years ago | (#32711098)

There has not been much happening in Piratbyrån for the last few years anyway.

Many of the active people from Piratbyrån have become active in The Pirate Party [piratpartiet.se] or other clusters like Werebuild [werebuild.eu] , The Julia Group [juliagruppen.se] or Telecomix [telecomix.org] . (The Telecomix Crypto Munitions Bureau [telecomix.org] held the conference recently discussed here [slashdot.org] where security flaws in some VPN tools used for filesharer anonymity were exposed.)

My guess it that the core people in Piratbyrån felt that this cluster was no longer needed and used the death of their friend as an excuse to shut it down, as a post-mortem honour to him.

Re:Ibrahim Botani -actor in The Stars We Are also? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#32711294)

The Stars We Are [imdb.com]
Note: His co-star in the this film Kalle Grogarn has also died. Looks like Henrik Hirseland is next on the list...!

So the best way to honor someone's memory ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#32710832)

... is to disband a group they co-founded?

I'm sorry, but I don't follow that. Isn't it better to move forward, and carry on the ideals that made you want to join with them in support of a cause in the first place?

Please, someone enlighten me.

Heavens bless him/her (4, Insightful)

unity100 (970058) | about 4 years ago | (#32710838)

Now, the pirate party is not only a reality in swedish politics, but is an entity in many countries, and has presence in european parliament. thanks to people like him, it has become a reality. its effects will far outreach the initial intent.

A variation of an old saying... (1)

N0Man74 (1620447) | about 4 years ago | (#32710898)

I've heard of the captain going down with the ship, but in this case, the ship is going down with the captain!

Re:A variation of an old saying... (1)

KlaymenDK (713149) | about 4 years ago | (#32711310)

Well, if the ship's not sinking, the rats must be the ones not leaving...

Which is it? (1)

p0p0 (1841106) | about 4 years ago | (#32710914)

Is it "PiratBYRAN" or "PiratBRYAN" ? Summary has both.

Re:Which is it? (1)

kers (847541) | about 4 years ago | (#32711168)

Actually, it is PiratBYRÅN.

Re:Which is it? (1)

KlaymenDK (713149) | about 4 years ago | (#32711374)

It's definitely "byran", or rather "byrån", that being the Swedish word for "bureau".

Re:Which is it? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#32711622)

Actually, "byrån" = "the bureau". Gotta love those suffixed definite articles.

CAPTCHA: "article". Wow, that's just this side of preternatural. :)

They'd had their day anyway (4, Insightful)

Hazelfield (1557317) | about 4 years ago | (#32711124)

Piratbyrån were among the first to question the propaganda from record companies, politicians and lawyers. For that, they deserve respect and praise. They started the Pirate Bay, and they inspired the founders of the Swedish Pirate Party. Those organizations are today much more important than Piratbyrån, with the Pirate Bay being the largest bittorrent tracker in the world and the Piracy Party holding two seats in the European Parliament. Piratbyrån's disbandment will in practice have very little effect on the political struggle for online freedom.

That's alright however, because that's how it's supposed to work. It's in the spirit of copyleft - "here are our ideas, please copy them and do whatever you like with them. Build something better on top on what we've created, and share it with others." Piratbyrån simply have had their day, and that's not just my opinion but theirs as well. Co-founders Marcin de Kaminski [dekaminski.se] and Rasmus Fleischer [copyriot.se] have both posted blog entries in Swedish to that same effect.

I'm sorry to hear about the loss of Ibrahim Botani, but I'm not sorry that Piratbyrån shuts down now, because they've already won. Their mission is accomplished, namely that they got the common people to discuss file sharing and Internet freedom. Other people can and will continue where they left off. I'd just like to say, thank you guys for all the things you've done. You've opened our eyes and been an inspiration for the whole world.

Re:They'd had their day anyway (2, Interesting)

interval1066 (668936) | about 4 years ago | (#32711486)

I think one of the funniest thoughts I've been able to cull from the whole deal is the mental picture I've formed of the record label execs and the toasts they're having right now to celebrate this; as if they've somehow driven the final nail in the coffin of file sharing.

Re:They'd had their day anyway (1)

jim_v2000 (818799) | about 4 years ago | (#32717830)

The thing that bothers me about people who are all about the "spirit of copyleft" is that they're aren't happy to just release their own ideas. They want to force everyone to abandon copyright and release their ideas/work into the public domain, with imho, is just not right.

so he's dead and nobody is saying why (1)

jollyreaper (513215) | about 4 years ago | (#32711306)

Default assumption is suicide. Secondary assumption is that this is an elaborate prank. Time will tell.

Kopimi? Really? (1)

matthiasvegh (1800634) | about 4 years ago | (#32711552)

The guy's name is really kopimi? epic. I now declare this Kopimi day!

Saving Pirate Brian ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#32712494)

Tthe title is the joke, that's all.

TPB's tracker is NOT "alive and well" (1)

mister_playboy (1474163) | about 4 years ago | (#32713112)

It has been shut down since last November [torrentfreak.com] .

Re:TPB's tracker is NOT "alive and well" (1)

hkmwbz (531650) | about 4 years ago | (#32713842)

TPB still has a tracker, though.

Sounds like a bunch of damned leechers... (1)

b0r0din (304712) | about 4 years ago | (#32713674)

The minute everyone has what they want, they drop connection and go their own separate ways.

Just one note (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#32714216)

The Pirate Party in Sweden is not just about filesharing, they also oppose patents in general and software patents in particular.

Name explained (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#32714920)

Piratbyrån = Pirate Bureau

Oh (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#32714940)

Well that's a shame, but haven't we all moved on from The Pirate Bay to more legit sources for downloading? Like Steam and Direct2Drive alongside Hulu, BBC iPlayer and things like this. There's also websites like DubLi which offer super deals on consoles and TVs. This isn't really news....

Lionshare (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#32716838)

I prefer Lionshare over Piratebay

Thepiratebay is not a tracker. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#32723076)

"torrent tracker"?

The pirate bay not longer operate a tracker, it is a torrent index only.

(No, I did not read the other comments first.)

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