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Australia's Privacy Boss Slams Gov't Data-Retention Scheme

timothy posted more than 4 years ago | from the here-we've-got-czars-instead-of-bosses dept.

Privacy 82

mask.of.sanity writes "The Australian Government's privacy commissioner has slammed its plans to implement a data retention scheme, in which it would ask telcos and internet providers to store the browsing and calling logs of Australian subscribers. He said the scheme would put user privacy in jeopardy because data will lie around at the behest of law enforcement. The Aussie scheme would be based on that which exists in Europe under the EU Directive. The directive aims to give law enforcement authorities the ability to ascertain the identity of a person using a public network to communicate by mobile, fixed line, email, or internet. The directive defines 'data' to be collected as 'traffic data and location data and the related data necessary to identify the subscriber or user.'"

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What about Google's.. (2, Insightful)

JDmetro (1745882) | more than 4 years ago | (#34059828)

data retention scheme? Personally I trust the Aussie government more than Google.

Re:What about Google's.. (1)

Nazlfrag (1035012) | more than 4 years ago | (#34064058)

As an Australian, I have to differ. I prefer someone who's trying to push me advertising over someone who's out to take my liberty.

What about Google's data retention scheme? (-1, Redundant)

JDmetro (1745882) | more than 4 years ago | (#34059834)

Who do you trust more the Aussie government or Google?

Sheesh I didn't mean to double post (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#34071042)

/. screwed up.

Frosty Piss!!!! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#34059840)

Frosty Piss!!!!

Down the Slippery Slope we go (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#34059862)

First the Great Firewall of Australia and now this. One step forward (ie NBN) and two steps backward.

Austrailia (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#34059886)

We can clearly see that there is no bi-univocal correspondence between linear signifying links or archi-writing, depending on the author, and this multireferential, multi-dimensional machinic catalysis. The symmetry of scale, the transversality, the pathic non-discursive character of their expansion: all these dimensions remove us from the logic of the excluded middle and reinforce us in our dismissal of the ontological binarism we criticised previously.

"Law Enforcement Agencies" (2, Interesting)

atomicstrawberry (955148) | more than 4 years ago | (#34059900)

... which is to say record labels and motion picture companies.

Re:"Law Enforcement Agencies" (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#34061230)

Media barons don't give a shit about Australia. It has more to do with the fact that the Australian government is attempting to install an authoritarian regime. They've done worse than this, though, introducing laws that contravene the geneva conventions which not even influential groups like scientology could overturn.

Currently, the government has the ability to put you into a mental hospital with no oversight, based on a single family member's judgement. Perfect for when the schools start teaching about how we need to keep tabs on our parents!

I estimate that within 20 years, Australia will be a christan theorocracy, and that we will see a halt in all movement towards liberal policies, assuming no revolutions or effective demonstrations occur.

Captcha: dictator
Slashdot captchas really creep me out.

Re:"Law Enforcement Agencies" (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#34061942)

If it becomes a Christian theocracy I'll move there. The road it's currently on -- one of iron-fisted ruling, the removal of freedoms and a general government invasion into the lives of its people -- is certainly not a Christian one. If you're an avid and serious Bible reader then you likely understand what the founding father of America understood; freedom and the ability of the people to govern themselves are cornerstones of a great nation.

If you'd like to see behind the veil, here it is. Political incumbents intrinsically want more power. Power fuels pride except in all but the greatest of men. Therefore these leaders implement power-transferring laws under the guise of protection of the common good. They may fancy themselves "Christians", but these values are anything but.

Re:"Law Enforcement Agencies" (1)

walshy007 (906710) | more than 4 years ago | (#34063240)

Since this was modded insightful, I'll bite, what geneva conventions has australia broken?

Most mental institutions tend to check you out when you get there, if they don't release you it tends to be a good sign that maybe they were right in putting you there. Last I checked there weren't masses of people tossing their perfectly mentally able parents etc in there either.

By the general rant against mental health institutions and putting scientology in a positive light, would I be correct in saying you are in fact a scientologist? Would go a long way to explaining the hatred.

Re:"Law Enforcement Agencies" (1)

BrokenHalo (565198) | more than 4 years ago | (#34064460)

I can't supply an answer about the Geneva conventions, but Australia does indeed have a long and well-documented history of incarcerating people in mental institutions with no judicial oversight. The situation might be better in the US (certain novels notwithstanding [wikipedia.org] ), but Australia's record is pretty grisly.

Re:"Law Enforcement Agencies" (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#34067692)

You speak as if "liberal" is something "good". Given the choice between living in a Christian theocracy, and the liberal ideal of Utopia, I'd have a really tough time choosing.

Who taught grammar? (-1, Offtopic)

jojoba_oil (1071932) | more than 4 years ago | (#34059912)

"in which it would asked telcos and internet to"

Try that again? I'm not even sure I know what's being attempted. The rest of TFS is similarly bad. I think it has something to do with privacy in Australia.

Then again, privacy hasn't been popular among governments anywhere in the world lately, so I could be mistaken.

Well... (1)

xclr8r (658786) | more than 4 years ago | (#34059914)

If he was in the U.S. He would be canned soon. It's nice to see someone fighting the good fight. Hope he keeps on keeping on.

Just a waste of money (2, Informative)

Freaky Spook (811861) | more than 4 years ago | (#34059928)

This dragnet approach is pretty pointless. All it does is cost people time and money.

With the amount of browsing I do I would probably be able to look at my entire history and find illegal things I have accidentally or unintentionally stumbled across over the years, not to mention what kind of traffic I have generated when I have got the odd virus/worm.

It doesn't really protect the community either as anyone who wants to go to the trouble of hiding what they do online can do so very simply so in sense something like this is akin to listening to everyone's phone conversations and not realising the people you are trying to get are sending each other letters.

Australia really needs a Bill of Rights created, and in this day and age of Communications and identity it strongly worded to protect peoples individuals rights online from government, corporate and other individuals.

Re:Just a waste of money (1)

SuricouRaven (1897204) | more than 4 years ago | (#34061036)

Depends. Is the idea to prevent crime, or maximise the prosecution rate to make the government look good? If the latter, it could be useful having access to a wealth of dirt so vast. Everyone has done something illegal, after all. Could be a powerful tool for the police: "Look, we might be able to secure a conviction or we might not - but if you don't plead guilty, we know about those movies you downloaded last month, and those comments you made a year ago threatening your ex. Make this easy for us, because if you fight, we'll just move on to another charge."

It will not get through during this parliament (1)

Gadget_Guy (627405) | more than 4 years ago | (#34059942)

I very much doubt that the Greens will vote for this. The Liberal/National coalition will support the idea, but will be compelled to vote against it just to annoy the Labor government (although once it gets publicly linked to those kiddy-porn loving, WMD-owning, union-member, terrorist boat-people then that might give the Coalition the excuse to vote for it).

Re:It will not get through during this parliament (1)

Nazlfrag (1035012) | more than 4 years ago | (#34064172)

Like every slashdot story about how oppresive Australia is, this will never pass the House let alone the Senate. Sure, they want an opressive Orwellian regieme but somehow our parliamentary system actually seems to work and put a stop to the idiocy before it gets close to becoming law.

Re:It will not get through during this parliament (1)

BrokenHalo (565198) | more than 4 years ago | (#34064612)

It's a pretty sad indictment of our system that the best that we can hope for is a government that is incapable of governing. I often fantasise that the world is ready for anarchy, but of course the corporations and Big Money would never stand for that, and would quickly start making their own "justice".

Re:It will not get through during this parliament (1)

drsmithy (35869) | more than 4 years ago | (#34078452)

Sure, they want an opressive Orwellian regieme but somehow our parliamentary system actually seems to work and put a stop to the idiocy before it gets close to becoming law.

These sorts of schemes almost never have any serious support in the major parties, they're nearly always pandering to independents to get their support on more "important" issues. Hence, as soon as said "issue" has been resolved, they wither and eventually die.

Not just an invasion of privacy (2)

BadAnalogyGuy (945258) | more than 4 years ago | (#34059950)

This is not only an invasion of privacy, but it is also an incredible burden on the businesses who must retain the records. Having a mountain of data is only useful for fishing expeditions.

The right way to do this would be to allow for monitoring with the blessing of a warrant. If that is not enough, there is likely an overreach of law enforcement and it should be curtailed immediately.

Third Link (2, Informative)

cappp (1822388) | more than 4 years ago | (#34059954)

The third link directs to a discussion of the implimentation of the EU Directive in Sweden, not the Directive itself. For that you can just click here [europa.eu] (pdf).

It's probably important to note that the EU Directive specifically mandates that

2. No data revealing the content of the communication may be retained pursuant to this Directive.

What's the chance (1)

Netshroud (1856624) | more than 4 years ago | (#34059972)

the government doesn't listen.... again?

Man... (2, Funny)

rakuen (1230808) | more than 4 years ago | (#34059986)

You want to see what I view on the internet, man? I will show you things, man. Crazy things, man. Things you never even dreamed of, man. Your mind won't be able to handle it, man! Game over, man! Game OVER, man!

Re:Man... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#34061148)

No [youtube.com] kidding [youtube.com] !

[Yes, it's safe for work, but your mind will never be the same afterwards]

Re:Man... (1)

BrokenHalo (565198) | more than 4 years ago | (#34064766)

Excrement! Well posted, Mr. AC. I would mod you up, but I've already posted here...

Re:Man... (1)

zcold (916632) | more than 4 years ago | (#34063612)

Ive..... Seeen things..... Attack ships off the coast of orion!

Man... (-1, Redundant)

rakuen (1230808) | more than 4 years ago | (#34060004)

You want to see what I see on the Internet, man? I will show you things, man. Crazy things, man. Things you've never even seen before, man. You won't be able to handle it, man. Your mind will melt, man! Game over, man! Game OVER, man!

Re:Man... (1)

rakuen (1230808) | more than 4 years ago | (#34062346)

Slashdot ate my freaking comment the first time, man. :[

hmm (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#34060072)

Moggy : Gosh Big Bro,you sure know alot.

Mogster : Yeah, I know.

lol (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#34060098)

frist p0st

Goodbye Australia. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#34060106)

I have an option to move back to Australia, my home .. or stay abroad. If this goes ahead, goodbye Australia. The country is being run by a bunch of morons. *cough* conroy *cough*

FP (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#34060116)

First post!

hmm (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#34060122)

Moggy : Gosh Big Bro, you sure know alot.

Mogster : Yeah, I know.

frist psot (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#34060124)

autralla is pants. and so is timothy and the rest of slashdot's "editors"

As an Australian (1)

Lord_of_the_nerf (895604) | more than 4 years ago | (#34060136)

Whether you think it's valid or not, I implore the international community to ignore anything our government says/does about the internet.

Thank you.

just another confirmation (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#34060140)

Once again australia seems to be the most third world backwards country outside of the usual crop
onya aussies

Typical... (1)

BrokenHalo (565198) | more than 4 years ago | (#34060142)

...for an Australian government of any stripe to take a bad idea from another country and repeat it here, as if it'll somehow work out all right this time. Nobody ever learns from anyone else's mistakes - which is probably why history keeps repeating itself.

Re:Typical... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#34067952)

Wait - aren't you misquoting Einstein? I caught that . . .

HE SLAMMED IT!!! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#34060150)

Why do most of the headlines have to use a word like "SLAM"?

fml (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#34060172)

What is wrong with our gumbiment!

Why bother? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#34060234)

Just arrange an echelon feed...

Techostratasphere (2, Funny)

tick-tock-atona (1145909) | more than 4 years ago | (#34060256)

Using the example of a Gmail account, Google public policy and government affairs spokesperson Istar Vij used the example of deleting an email from a Gmail account. "Once it's deleted and gone from our backup servers, it's gone," she said. "From the entire techostratasphere?" Fisher asked. "If I stored data with my Gmail account and I deleted it, it will be gone," Vij replied.

Thank god our elected representatives know what they are talking about.

Win (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#34060278)

FIRST!!!1!onw!1!

HTTPS? (1)

vikisonline (1917814) | more than 4 years ago | (#34060280)

How does this work when most email sites (at least gmail) now use https by default. They cant possibly log that. Or will they at one point force isps to do man in the middle. That way you will never get a valid certificate and know when you are giving away your login to the wrong website...

Re:HTTPS? (1)

GumphMaster (772693) | more than 4 years ago | (#34068488)

From the summary;

The directive defines 'data' to be collected as 'traffic data and location data and the related data necessary to identify the subscriber or user.'"

All that is required is record the fact that IP xyz contacted IP abc using protocol def, that IP xyz belonged to ISP subscriber vikisonline at the time, and that vikisonline is at this physical address. No need to break encryption. If the other end, IP abc, is in Australia then they will also be required to record that IP xyz connected and that this connection authenticated to account viksionline. This is a traffic analysis mother lode. With both ends of this conversation they now can derive the fact that ISP user vikisonline has account Y at service X and daisy-chain to other services. Then they can gain a warrant to force each service actually eavesdrop on everything you do online because they can actually identify it all.

First poast, suckas! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#34060290)

Anon Coward is back.

Https would make this quiet useless anyways (1)

vikisonline (1917814) | more than 4 years ago | (#34060294)

With https this would be really useless anyways. Unless they force ISPs to do a man in the middle attack. But then now everyone there would be really open to fake websites, because people would just get used to getting a false certificate warning on every page (much like if you browse on rogers's 3g network in canada...)

Re:Https would make this quiet useless anyways (1)

John Hasler (414242) | more than 4 years ago | (#34061312)

> With https this would be really useless anyways.

There is still a log of where you connected and when. That seems to be what they want, for traffic analysis.

Re:Https would make this quiet useless anyways (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#34062130)

I believe this was exactly the governments plan. For some reason the thought of all ISP's man-in-the-middleing every financial (and all the rest) transaction didn't seem to be mentioned as an issue.

That being said I suspect that when it gets down to it there will be some massive exception and like most internet related legislation none of the ISP's will implement anything.

First Post... (-1, Offtopic)

SigmaTao (629358) | more than 4 years ago | (#34060300)

Oh bugger they know who I am now...

Lonely article (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#34060332)

This has been here for hours and not got a single comment. I just felt sorry for it.

Hello editors... (-1, Offtopic)

deesine (722173) | more than 4 years ago | (#34060358)

It's not like this post was originally not in English. Is that a record for first sentence errors?

Sorry I can't comment (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#34060402)

They are watching...

Just wait for the NBN to make this even easier.

The Two Party System fails us (3, Interesting)

CuteSteveJobs (1343851) | more than 4 years ago | (#34060414)

Aussie PM Julia Gillard is Kevin Rudd's successor. She supports the filter, but put plans on hold for the election. Now the election is over and she's back, complete with a reappointed Stephen Conroy as Minister for Communications.

Gillard really should have lost the election, but the right-wing opposition party was lead by Tony Abbott; a pro-business anti-worker fundamentalist misogynist racist buffoon firmly in the pockets of big business and the tobacco industry, but an economic ignorance that was laughable. Every time Abbott opened his mouth he drove voters away. Like Palin in America, when a right-wing party is out of office they get captured by the crazies and swing further to the right thinking that will win them more voters. Of course it doesn't, and Abbott lost.

And so Gillard won by default... and now the filter is back. You would think the opposition would kick out Abbott and put in someone more centrist, but they refuse to admit they made a mistake and they're clinging on to him. Meanwhile the censorship regime rolls on. Both parties are pro-censorship. What are we to do?
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/opinion/gillard-ushers-in-the-era-of-farce/story-e6frfhqf-1225896276726 [heraldsun.com.au]

Fat lot of good will come of that (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#34060420)

The Privacy Commissioner might mean well - but will most likely be overruled by the powers that be. Despite breaching the Privacy Act the Australia Card collected and collated private data - in breach of the law. Until publicly embarrassed by whistle-blowing IT staff (disclosure - I was one of them) several government data bases were mined, including the one created by Xerox from the birth and death records. Yes it was stopped - but (Packer's) Data Warehouse was never prosecuted or forced to destroy the records they made off with.
Given the size of the Australian gambling industry's, and the US funded Christian right's, lobbying fund for promoting the internet censoring plans - I very much doubt the latest plans will be stymied.

Cue Neil Young's "Revolution Blues"

encrypt everything (2, Insightful)

evanism (600676) | more than 4 years ago | (#34060458)

Ozzie here. I swear I have been having more trouble with my email since I've begun encrypting everything. I'd swear these Gestapo bastards are using these laws retrospectively and have been forcing ISPs to do this for some time. I am ashamed to be an Australian. Every year we take a step closer to the steep cliff of tyranny.

Where are the wowsers? (2, Insightful)

ghostdoc (1235612) | more than 4 years ago | (#34060466)

('wowser' is a uniquely Aussie term for a strong supporter of interventionist government policy).

Any discussion of online privacy/retention/etc tends to be one-sided, from my experience so far, largely because wowsers seem to be almost universally technology-illiterate. If the government proposed to keep a photocopy of every letter you ever received or sent, there'd be a howling outcry (well actually probably not, since the only people that send letters any more are government agencies and utility companies, but you get the picture).

In discussions on the Conroy Filter, any explanations about how it won't work tends to fall on deaf ears, or gets the standard Conroy response of 'so you propose we do nothing then?', and the assumption is that the internet is full of vile perverts who should be castrated. The point being that the debate is not on technical feasibility, or even benefits, but on perceived moral stance.

With any opposition to government surveillance, the standard response of 'if you've done nothing wrong you've got nothing to hide' should be ringing across the ether...except it appears that no-one who knows enough to comment on this issue is ignorant enough to declare that (well, not as many as you'd expect).

So it seems there's a Digital Divide right there...if the debate is pitched in terms of details and technical specifics, it only attracts knowledgeable commentary, and that tends to be broadly anti-censorship and pro-privacy. If the debate is pitched in simple terms, it attracts wowsers.

Which would suggest that wowsers tend to be older, since young people are more familiar with technology? Or is it education?

Re:Where are the wowsers? (1)

geefau (986367) | more than 4 years ago | (#34068298)

After the NBN roll out continues across Australia, will it will be technically easier for the government to implement a filter (because NBN Co. [nbnco.com.au] controls the network hardware [nbnco.com.au] )?

Re:Where are the wowsers? (1)

drsmithy (35869) | more than 4 years ago | (#34078434)

('wowser' is a uniquely Aussie term for a strong supporter of interventionist government policy).

Er, no. A 'wowser' is typical right-wing, puritanical, fundie-Christian, save-the-children, hand-wringing moron. It's got nothing to do with whether or not they agree with Government policy (and given the current Government, they probably don't, since such people wouldn't support the godless Labor heathens in a pink fit).

Wow (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#34060468)

Slam, scam, Scamdot? What is it im getting at here...

Traffic, location and related data (0)

PietjeJantje (917584) | more than 4 years ago | (#34060484)

Here's an example of such data as captured from a potential terrorrrrrrirst:

Traffic: All goes to suckitup.is

Location: Roaming wifi

Related data: The Fifth of November

Finally! (1)

olderchurch (242469) | more than 4 years ago | (#34060488)

Somebody gets a clue about the impact of data retention. If only somebody with enough cloud in the EU will take the same stance...

First Post? (0, Offtopic)

dcollins (135727) | more than 4 years ago | (#34060516)

Either (a) no one's made a comment in 3 hours since this story was posted, or (b) something's glitched up on Slashdot and this won't go through.

good (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#34060526)

This program very good, a high-tech.

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Boobies (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#34060542)

Good for aussieland

Related data (1)

Calydor (739835) | more than 4 years ago | (#34060584)

and the related data necessary to identify the subscriber or user

And what better way to identify beyond reasonable doubt who the user is than to save all emails to check for signatures, record all calls to compare voices, and so on. Right?

The EU directive may be going down in flames (1)

bradley13 (1118935) | more than 4 years ago | (#34060664)

Note that the EU directive is being fought - successfully - by activist in individual countries. In March, Germany ruled the directive to be unconstitutional: [eff.org]

From the linked article dated March 10, 2010: Last week, the German Constitutional Court issued a much-anticipated decision, striking down its data retention law as violating human rights. It was an important victory for Europe’s Freedom Not Fear movement, which was formed to oppose the EU Data Retention Directive. But it was also a reminder of the political work which remains to be done to defeat it.

Heher (-1, Offtopic)

Lord Maud'Dib (611577) | more than 4 years ago | (#34060732)

Typical aussie bullshit!

Comment system (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#34060744)

Broken?

Cheap Storage (1)

Sooner Boomer (96864) | more than 4 years ago | (#34060764)

I blame WD, Seagate, et al. Now that you can buy 1TB drives for less than $50, and single drives up to (and soon exceeding) 3TB, it is easy and relatively inexpensive to archive everything the users do. Soon, if storage continues to be cheaper per TB, it may become possible, even mandantory to log every keystroke. Of course, there will always be excluded classes, politically and economically, from such laws. But then I'm a cynical old fart, who has seen technology become increasingly invasive, and privacy fleeting.

don't shoot the messenger ... (1)

freaker_TuC (7632) | more than 4 years ago | (#34074188)

"People kill people, Guns don't kill people", sounds familiar ?

Don't shoot the hard-drive manufacturers because their products get abused by another totalarian government.

It's still those "for the citizens" which demand these draconian rules of data retention, not Seagate, WD or any company making storage cheaper.

Technology has become to a fase where it's being used against us all, should we therefor blame Intel, Asus and all the mainboard manufacturers in the same time?

Our own (elected) people, with their own agenda, are turning against us in any form of politics; that's where the problems lie at.

Privacy doesn't exist anymore, it's an utopia in almost any part of the world.
The only privacy you've really got, for now, is between your ears.

A step in the right direction (1)

akanothing (1332641) | more than 4 years ago | (#34060824)

Thank-you Timothy Pilgrim for this statement I will listen to you intently in the future.
Are there any Europeans who can offer an opinion on their system?

May be offtopic, but... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#34060834)

Doesn't anyone else find it creepy that nobody has commented whatsoever yet? Slashdot's comment system broke?

Don't tell me somebody hit the database comment ID maximum again...

Privacy boss? (1)

commlinx (1068272) | more than 4 years ago | (#34060896)

Judging from the TFA this Timothy Pilgrim sounds like a reasonable guy.

Using the phrase "privacy boss" is probably a bit strong though for the head of an organisation that only regulates existing legislation. They only advise the government on new policy, which of course they can ignore. Data retention will obviously save children and stop the terrorists so I suspect that will be the case here.

slashdot (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#34060944)

broken. is.

He can complain all he likes (1)

serps (517783) | more than 4 years ago | (#34060972)

I wasn't aware that the privacy commissioner actually had any power. Perhaps he's just realised, and that's why he's grumpy.

The rise of Squid? (3, Interesting)

eric31415927 (861917) | more than 4 years ago | (#34061052)

We have a similar law in Canada, whereby law enforcement can review a person's web browsing (and email?) for up to two years.

I see a business model for selling anonymous web browsing via proxy servers.
Commercial proxy servers already exist to get around Hulu barriers and the like.
If such servers market themselves as "anonymous," they should find more paying customers.

Re:The rise of Squid? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#34061548)

I see a business model for selling anonymous web browsing via proxy servers.
If such servers market themselves as "anonymous," they should find more paying customers.

Do you mean like iPredator [ https://www.ipredator.se ] ?

Re:The rise of Squid? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#34061572)

I don't know the current landscape, but there was a time not too long ago when the majority of the 'anonymous' web proxies were run by various intelligence agencies.

Re:The rise of Squid? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#34063518)

#1 you can not run a proxy service, accept money and still consider it anonymous, you will be slammed for one of the vagaries of money laundering.
#2 the safest place for your information to be bouncing through is something handled by an intelligence agency unless you are a REAL terrorist, everything will be black, paws off for those with agendas not related to actual security
#3 every traceroute in the early INTERNET days bounced through D.C. to a parking garage that was a peer point, you KNEW what was happening then, but BBN was theirs anyhow (forgot the specifics now, but if you are persistent you can find infos)
#4 the crusader cops, politicians and copyright fear mongers are bringing about a locked down, encrypted INTERNET that the real intelligence guys can't get at

Enjoy the FAIL, this is big fail, everyone is adapting to zero trust

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