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Facebook Unveils Timeline, Updated Open Graph

timothy posted more than 3 years ago | from the user-trying-vs-user-testing dept.

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An anonymous reader writes "Facebook today announced a new Timeline feature and a new type of social app under its Open Graph. They're not available yet, but almost all the details are finally official."

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MySpace 3.0? (4, Funny)

ZxCv (6138) | more than 3 years ago | (#37484206)

The only thing missing from the new profile is the ability to set huge animated gifs as my background.

Re:MySpace 3.0? (1)

Baloroth (2370816) | more than 3 years ago | (#37485008)

Damnit, why did you have to go and say that? Well, lets just hope no Facebook devs read Slashdot...

Re:MySpace 3.0? (0)

Moryath (553296) | more than 3 years ago | (#37485238)

They don't read anywhere else, or have any UI or UX pros on their staff, so chances are... yeah, they're going to be Myspace 3.0 in short order. Which is sad, because most of us left Ghettospace to get away from all the "virtual bling" fuckwittery.

Re:MySpace 3.0? (1)

tehcyder (746570) | more than 3 years ago | (#37490584)

The only thing missing from the new profile is the ability to set huge animated gifs as my background.

Yes! And while they're about it, how about reviving the blink tag?

Re:MySpace 3.0? (1)

vjl (40603) | more than 3 years ago | (#37505124)

Actually, that is/was one of the nice things about Facebook - it didn't allow the horrible customizations to one's profile like MySpace did. But it *did* used to offer more customizations [none of them as bad as MySpace]. They have removed most of the ability to make profiles look non-standard, much to the frustration of some users [but not me!]. While their new ticker is not good, I do think that the FB devs are very aware that they don't want FB profiles to look as bad as MySpace ones have.

social replaced religion (2)

alen (225700) | more than 3 years ago | (#37484218)

in the old days people would go to a religious place to think about their importance and place in the universe. in the 21st century you show off your entire life to the world on the internet

Re:social replaced religion (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37484412)

In soviet now, people build shrines to themselves.

Re:social replaced religion (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37484420)

I still prefer the second option.

Re:social replaced religion (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37488092)

It's for old people who are on the way to Alzheimers, so that they can look up if they have been to the crapper today.
My Peepaw and my Meemaw are on Facebook.
How more uncool can it get?

Re:social replaced religion (1)

AmonTheMetalhead (1277044) | more than 3 years ago | (#37488698)

I use FB (yea yea) but you'll be hard pressed to find much about me on my profile other then the fact that I listen to Metal and like photography. Not everyone on FB posts their whole life on there, the things I post are things I want the world to see, such as a new song by a small band or some pictures I took (which are creative commons).

As for going to a religious place, not everyone believes in that nonsense.

Re:social replaced religion (1)

Chrisq (894406) | more than 3 years ago | (#37488840)

I use FB (yea yea) but you'll be hard pressed to find much about me on my profile other then the fact that I listen to Metal and like photography

No I wouldn't describe the photos in detail on my profile either

Re:social replaced religion (1)

tehcyder (746570) | more than 3 years ago | (#37490614)

I use FB (yea yea) but you'll be hard pressed to find much about me on my profile other then the fact that I listen to Metal and like photography. Not everyone on FB posts their whole life on there, the things I post are things I want the world to see, such as a new song by a small band or some pictures I took (which are creative commons). .

With your user name it's either that or you're a robot.

Re:social replaced religion (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37489726)

in the old days people would go to a religious place to think about their importance and place in the universe. in the 21st century you show off your entire life to the world on the internet

we're much older now, and no longer have imaginary friends

Re:social replaced religion (1)

Fujisawa Sensei (207127) | more than 3 years ago | (#37505842)

Tell that to the Republican Party.

Re:social replaced religion (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37504274)

"importance and place in the universe" vs. "show off your entire life to the world"

OK. What's the similarity? Sharing the happenings of one's life does not necessarily have anything to do with, nor contradict, pondering one's importance and place in the universe.

Facebook Timeline... (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37484222)

Forgive me if my memory is failing me, but didn't Facebook HAVE a timeline about 5ish years ago? You know, back when you could do quizes on your friends' interests, you put your home address up because only your University friends would see it, and there were NO RELATIVES?

Saw that, want to leave now (3, Insightful)

H3lldr0p (40304) | more than 3 years ago | (#37484280)

It's simple. The companies FB has partnered with to mine that data want their jobs to be easier. So it's now up to the users to put the connections in there that they either couldn't (due to too much noise, legal concerns, what have you) or didn't want to spend the money on developing. That's what this is all about. Make it voluntary and in most instances you've made it legal. Make it necessary and you have the users doing the hard work for you.

Given how much effort it takes just to get a simple feed of stuff from friends, the way it used to be, I have the feeling that this portends the end of usefulness for the facebook. Perhaps the Oatmeal is right, by 2014 it's nothing but old women playing games who have the time to put those connections together.

Re:Saw that, want to leave now (2)

Haedrian (1676506) | more than 3 years ago | (#37484658)

Is there ANYONE else who finds the idea of putting your whole life in plain view for the world to see a good idea?

I mean before it was bad enough, "Everyone can see your pictures" bla bla bla, but this?

Becoming a stalker just got easier.

Re:Saw that, want to leave now (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37484880)

Good point. I'll just go hide in my cave from here on out, shooting anyone who gets near enough to look at the rock covering it.

Or I'll just come to the conclusion that social norms have changed, and society didn't feel the need to ask you for permission. Shall I get off your lawn now and stop blaring that hippity-hop music?

Re:Saw that, want to leave now (1)

Chrisq (894406) | more than 3 years ago | (#37488844)

Good point. I'll just go hide in my cave from here on out, shooting anyone who gets near enough to look at the rock covering it.

What! Are you a Muslim?

Re:Saw that, want to leave now (1)

jo42 (227475) | more than 3 years ago | (#37485400)

putting your whole life in plain view for the world to see

These people need to, somehow, validate their existence in the universe, i.e. they need to know that someone gives a crap that they exist and what they do. The unfortunate part of all this is that there are several hundred million people that have this mental illness...

Re:Saw that, want to leave now (1)

BasilBrush (643681) | more than 3 years ago | (#37485786)

Hate to break it to you, but most people do have at least a few people who care they exist and are interested in what they do. They call them family and friends.

Re:Saw that, want to leave now (2)

N1AK (864906) | more than 3 years ago | (#37488690)

You're welcome to believe you're so much better and 'above' all there ultimately pointless biological and socialogical derived inclinations. Personally, anyone sharing a view like that on a public forum like Slashdot looks like a blatant hypocrite to me. The number of people alive who don't need to validate their existence or care what people think of them and what they do is tiny; in fact they would be the people that society typically brands as having mental issues.

Re:Saw that, want to leave now (1)

moozey (2437812) | more than 3 years ago | (#37488280)

Are there honestly still people who don't understand that there are privacy settings on Facebook? Jesus...

Re:Saw that, want to leave now (1)

Haedrian (1676506) | more than 3 years ago | (#37493320)

When they sit still enough and stop reverting, changing position or being burried under more stuff...

Re:Saw that, want to leave now (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37493390)

Is there ANYONE else who finds the idea of putting your whole life in plain view for the world to see a good idea?

I mean before it was bad enough, "Everyone can see your pictures" bla bla bla, but this?

Becoming a stalker just got easier.

Who says it has to be your own life? I think I'm going to make my life a whole lot more exciting than it actually is. Put up a picture from the summit of Everest with the caption "Summited Everest 6:35 am". A week later a picture of a tornado with the caption "chased tornadoes for 6 hours, this is as close as we got". Then it's a picture of the rapids in the Grand Canyon, then sailing off Newport, then surfing at Mavericks. And so on. If they're going to mine data make it useless data.

Re:Saw that, want to leave now (2)

SaDan (81097) | more than 3 years ago | (#37484782)

Given how much effort it takes just to get a simple feed of stuff from friends, the way it used to be, I have the feeling that this portends the end of usefulness for the facebook.

I agree, which is why I submitted the request to have my account removed yesterday. It's just too much BS in my browser anymore, which is why I left MySpace years ago for facebook.

Time to invest... (1)

Moheeheeko (1682914) | more than 3 years ago | (#37484328)

In google stock, if you can afford it that is.

Re:Time to invest... (1)

poetmatt (793785) | more than 3 years ago | (#37484376)

uh that would have been back when google+ hit 20million users in a ridiculously small amount of time, not now. You're a bit late now :)

Re:Time to invest... (1)

Lunix Nutcase (1092239) | more than 3 years ago | (#37484522)

Their stock didn't go up due to that. In fact it went down more than $100 a share, or16%, from the time google+ launched to that milestone.

Stock price measures many things ... (1)

perpenso (1613749) | more than 3 years ago | (#37484810)

Their stock didn't go up due to that. In fact it went down more than $100 a share, or16%, from the time google+ launched to that milestone.

Stock price measures many things. Market factors, industry factors and company factors. The first two are beyond Google's control. The phrase "a rising tide lifts all boats" is often used to say not to read too much into a rising stock price when everyone else is also going up. The same is true when everyone is going down.

Content Uncontrolled (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37484340)

Here's the primary problem with this: Uncontrolled Content Publishing

When I'm online, whether I'm using FB, Twitter, my blog, or whatever, if I put something out there, I *mean* to do it. I consciously make an effort to say "I'm at X", "I'm doing Y", or "I'm interested in Z." With these sorts of systems in place, your personal self-content ends up being a huge stream of consciousness instead of curtailed snippets of meaning. Not that all of my status updates, posts, and so forth are meaningful, but they meant something to me, and at least I had a particular effort in publishing them.

I realize that content controls and other mechanisms may come with this to help filter and whittle the stream into something manageable, but the vast majority of people won't, and it'll turn it into a mess. I don't give a damn what you're listening to, I don't care what website you're cooking a recipe from tonight, and I sure as hell don't care that you, once again, checked into your own house. Folks like this will be dumped in a big hurry.

I "get" what FB is after, but I fear for the worst of it to be implemented and used by the masses. Everyone has a voice, but not everyone should be heard. Even I'm irrelevant to the majority.

Re:Content Uncontrolled (1)

2names (531755) | more than 3 years ago | (#37484430)

"Even I'm irrelevant to the majority."

Thanks for finally owning up, Steve.

Re:Content Uncontrolled (1)

aliloln (973288) | more than 3 years ago | (#37484488)

I agree that what we put online should be conscious. That said, people have intentionally set up whatever is automatically publishing to Facebook. I have a Facebook account and actually use it for a active group (works like a forum, kind of like Slashdot), and to look at pictures of friends' kids. Facebook does not know my real email address, the contents of my address book, my phone number, or where I'm eating lunch.

I'm not sure why anyone thinks FB should know where you are, but there are people who enjoy these features (bless their hearts). Of course, everyone else blocks these people...

Re:Content Uncontrolled (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37484662)

".... and to look at pictures of friends' kids."

Creepy man.... creepy.

Re:Content Uncontrolled (1)

Demonoid-Penguin (1669014) | more than 3 years ago | (#37488302)

Facebook does not know my real email address, the contents of my address book, my phone number, or where I'm eating lunch.

Maybe not - but it's pretty trivial to obtain, for those they sell your data to. Facebook has a limited amount of data that you type in. Add in login times and ip address/es. Others data sources (the sort that Facebook sells information to, can add to, and validate that information. And proxies are only as anonymous as any of the routing hops. Then there's your Fffacebook fffriends (any of them use MS live?)

That's tin foil hat stuff of course and should be dismissed as paranoia.... Except it's also abilities currently being hawked for data mining - both for "anti-terrorism" and "marketing". You may believe you're only half serious - but it's likely you're much less so.

Re:Content Uncontrolled (1)

thedonger (1317951) | more than 3 years ago | (#37484524)

Here's the primary problem with this: Uncontrolled Content Publishing

Hey, welcome to the internet era. We still have the same amount of useful information; what we gained was a shit-ton of noise (my comments included).

  • I'm thinking about kittens!
  • Time to vacuum the house!
  • I'm an armchair [quarterback; president; reality television show producer] and this is how [they] SHOULD HAVE [done something about which I have little to no real world experience].
  • LOL Took a huge dump (see picture)

The internet has made me hate people way more than I ever thought possible.

Re:Content Uncontrolled (3, Insightful)

cornface (900179) | more than 3 years ago | (#37484712)

Everytime I see someone complaining about people annoying them on Facebook it cracks me up, because the people that are annoying you are people you intentionally befriended. These are your peers. Perhaps turning away from your computer screen for a few minutes for a nice long gaze into the mirror would be useful.

Re:Content Uncontrolled (1)

m50d (797211) | more than 3 years ago | (#37489954)

There's a social pressure element. My mum(*) knows better than to call me every half-hour to say something inane, but that knowledge doesn't seem to have crossed over into Facebook. But for social reasons it wouldn't do to "unfriend" her.

(*)This example is not actually true

Re:Content Uncontrolled (1)

BasilBrush (643681) | more than 3 years ago | (#37485910)

I don't have any posts like those on my newsfeed. Your problem is the people you call your friends, not Facebook.

[Well I did once have someone who posted "Going to the fridge" and another who did nothing but play stupid farmyard games. But they were rapidly hidden. Just like email, the tools are there to improve the signal to noise ratio.]

My GF says.. (2)

synapse7 (1075571) | more than 3 years ago | (#37484470)

"Everybody hates the new layout and are leaving". Seems odd FB would make such a change right as Google+ registration opens.

Re:My GF says.. (2)

Lunix Nutcase (1092239) | more than 3 years ago | (#37484542)

And does your girlfriend have any actual data to back that up or is this like when nerds say "i don't know anyone who uses windows" to try to claim that linux was a success on the desktop?

Re:My GF says.. (1)

WillAffleckUW (858324) | more than 3 years ago | (#37484932)

I was listening in to his FB conversation with his GF since she hadn't explicitly blocked it, even tho he had, and that's pretty much what she said.

Other than the part about STDs he failed to mention.

I mean, seriously, use a rubber. Especially for furry "action", ok?

(yes, newfacebook is pervy)

Re:My GF says.. (2)

Demonoid-Penguin (1669014) | more than 3 years ago | (#37488334)

And does your girlfriend have any actual data to back that up or is this like when nerds say "i don't know anyone who uses windows" to try to claim that linux was a success on the desktop?

You're misquoting me - what I said was I don't associate with anyone who does Windows - I give them spare change and leave my old tech on the nature strip for them. I just don't associate with them - there's a difference.

Re:My GF says.. (1)

synapse7 (1075571) | more than 3 years ago | (#37491126)

I suppose her FB wall, or story or graph or whatever they are calling posts now days... But Will Affleck knew this...

Re:My GF says.. (-1, Troll)

swb (14022) | more than 3 years ago | (#37484862)

She also says you have a little dick and don't cum unless she fingers your ass.

Re:My GF says.. (2)

BasilBrush (643681) | more than 3 years ago | (#37485934)

Deja vu. The interface that everyone is now missing, they were complaining about when it was new last year. People hate change initially, then get used to the new status quo.

Re:My GF says.. (1)

MightyYar (622222) | more than 3 years ago | (#37487238)

I still hated the last interface when they switched to the new one. I did not get used to it, and had to click "by date" every goddamn time I logged on. Now I can't make that complaint since they completely removed "by date" as an option.

Terrible.

Re:My GF says.. (1)

Demonoid-Penguin (1669014) | more than 3 years ago | (#37488326)

"Everybody hates the new layout and are leaving". Seems odd FB would make such a change right as Google+ registration opens.

Isn't FB planning on some sort of a public share offering soon - won't that be when the whole venture starts to generate an income? Maybe they're just trying to protect and extremely speculative investment - whereas Google+ could go bellyup tomorrow without making much difference to Google's core business.

Myspace is back? (2)

Haedrian (1676506) | more than 3 years ago | (#37484548)

Does it come with auto-on 20 second clips of poor bitrated versions of favourite songs?

You are the product (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37484640)

Not the consumer. Google or Facebook, it doesn't matter.

Re:You are the product (2)

SaDan (81097) | more than 3 years ago | (#37484848)

Very true, but I'm willing to put up with a certain amount of crap for a free service that can be used for education and entertainment. MySpace stepped over that line pretty quick years ago, and now facebook has just crossed the line. Google+, however, isn't as bad. Yet.

Re:You are the product (1)

BasilBrush (643681) | more than 3 years ago | (#37485964)

Trouble is very few of my friends are on Google+. Where people hang out is far more important than features of the site.

Re:You are the product (1)

chrismcb (983081) | more than 3 years ago | (#37485490)

Ok fine, whatever... "I'm the product."

BUT if they don't retain me, they no longer have a product to sell to their "customer's."

This whole "you are the product" argument is just plain dumb. FB and Google and everyone else still need to do work to keep their product happy. When they are doing that, then you are the customer.

Stop whining (-1, Flamebait)

jbov (2202938) | more than 3 years ago | (#37484704)

I guess you're cool on slashdot as long as you complain about everything Facebook does, regardless of whether it is good or bad. So keep complaining about how it is getting too much like MySpace, or Twitter. Keep complaining about how Facebook is further diminishing your privacy each time a new feature is added. Be sure to include some conspiracy theory. Most importantly, threaten to close your account. Then you'll be really cool.

Get over yourself. It is no secret that what you put on Facebook is not private. It is not secret that they use your data to drive targeted advertising campaigns.

You will not cancel your account, so stop threatening to. No one on here gives an ish. Zuckerberg isn't reading your slashdot post either. He doesn't give an ish. So go try your, "I swear I'll walk out of here right now!", on your girlfriend or the guy trying to sell you a used car. You may have better luck.

The timeline is innovative. It allows you to showcase the most memorable or important times of your life. It gives a better idea of who someone is than their most recent status updates. With the current interface, every post is given equal importance. Why would you complain about a new feature that allows you to give prominence to the posts that best define your life? Lastly, this is a feature that sets it apart from the other Twitter style status updates. It fixes a major flaw IMHO. FTFA: "Zuckerberg says the Timeline is “a place that you are proud to call your home.” While the current Facebook profile is completely based on showing all the latest updates, the Timeline is meant to highlight all the important updates of your life."

Re:Stop whining (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37484808)

I'm 99% sure that none of my friends really *want* this level of detail in their profiles. FB is a simple way to connect and chat, and share pictures for 99% of it's members. Forcing this functionality is only going to piss off users.

And I don't care if you don't care that I nuked my facebook account. Yes, I really did. You're stating the obvious point. FB doesn't give a rats a$s what it's users want, it's just doing it's own thing and what it thinks is "best".

Re:Stop whining (1)

jbov (2202938) | more than 3 years ago | (#37485100)

Forcing what functionality? Giving visitors full control of what displays on their profile page? Allowing them to pick what is important? Allowing them to make posts for past events to fill in missing information?

Which of these will your friends not want? What level of detail are you referring to? There is no detail in the timeline that you cannot find already. It is just a matter of allowing users to weight their items.

How does the timeline not fit into the "connect and chat, and share pictures". Also, where did you get your statistics that this is the only thing 99% of members want. Did you forget this? http://socialtimes.com/facebook-gamers-hours-per-month_b24156 [socialtimes.com]

Re:Stop whining (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37486006)

Forcing what functionality? Take the wall within a wall as an example. Take the need to go in and edit notifications after they forced basically a "summary" system. Take the ever bloating javascript "utility" that allows users to do "more" with their wall. Hell, you can't drag a mouse across the latest iteration of the feeds page without triggering 2-3 pop-ups. There's no way to disable any of that crap with the exception of the notifications. And I don't much care that there's still a choice there, FB changed what I had, and made me go through the effort to undo what they thought was "best". And they use that tactic ALL THE DAMN TIME. It's gotten old.

See above for what my friends will not want.

Timeline is just a tiny part of the garbage that FB is deploying. See the other posts around here. Timeline doesn't NOT fit in, it's just more bloat. That, and as many others have noted, they're basically putting all the effort on users to organize their stuff more so they can have a more complete picture of your history for targeted ads and products. Think about how much more information they'll have when everyone starts dating all their content specifically. Suddenly you have a *large* cross-section of things that happen to mine for even more intrusive details about users.

No thanks. Opting out now, and wondering why I didn't long ago.

Re:Stop whining (1)

jbov (2202938) | more than 3 years ago | (#37487116)

Fair enough. Honestly, I don't like 99% of the interface changes they make, but I think the timeline looks very promising and innovative. The concept of being able to weight you posts to display information in a non-chronological order just makes sense to me. I can't think of any recent web projects I've done that didn't need a way for the client's data entry folks to provide a custom sort order.

I agree with you about moving the mouse and triggering popups. Also, the AJAX loading of more comments and messages makes it almost impossible to click on links on the bottom of the page. If you have an account, go into your messages and try to click on Archived in the footer. You can't, whether using the Page Down button, or the mouse, as soon as you reach the bottom off the page it loads more messages. You cannot click the link until you've reached the end of the message list.

Re:Stop whining (1)

FreonTrip (694097) | more than 3 years ago | (#37484980)

I guess you're cool on slashdot as long as you complain about everything Facebook does, regardless of whether it is good or bad. So keep complaining about how it is getting too much like MySpace, or Twitter. Keep complaining about how Facebook is further diminishing your privacy each time a new feature is added. Be sure to include some conspiracy theory. Most importantly, threaten to close your account. Then you'll be really cool.

Complaints can actually be well-founded, and those who dislike the subject of a news story are just as welcome to contribute their opinion. I might suggest that Slashdot's main audience is a little beyond caring about who thinks they're "cool" - didn't you see the tag out front? "News for Nerds"? If you want a hivemind, seek out Reddit or 4chan, though there are plenty of good people in both of those communities too.

Get over yourself. It is no secret that what you put on Facebook is not private. It is not secret that they use your data to drive targeted advertising campaigns.

An open mission or goal can still be objectionable. Dismissing someone's objections doesn't actually mean you've won an argument, or even started one. Doing so simply makes you look arrogant and presumptuous.

You will not cancel your account, so stop threatening to. No one on here gives an ish. Zuckerberg isn't reading your slashdot post either. He doesn't give an ish. So go try your, "I swear I'll walk out of here right now!", on your girlfriend or the guy trying to sell you a used car. You may have better luck.

An "ish"? This is a site for grownups, and you can use four letter words. For example, I don't care one fucking bit for your sneering tone.

Zuckerberg won't read the post, but others will, and ultimately he has investors, employees, and business partners who can be rattled by widespread criticism and rejection of new functionality that's too unpleasant. If nobody talked about things they disliked, or expressed the objections you resent so vociferously, then no one would learn otherwise, and things would simply die off without an apparent cause, or stupidity would be perpetuated. And, for what it's worth, I deleted my Facebook account after reading about the F8 conference.

The timeline is innovative. It allows you to showcase the most memorable or important times of your life. It gives a better idea of who someone is than their most recent status updates. With the current interface, every post is given equal importance. Why would you complain about a new feature that allows you to give prominence to the posts that best define your life? Lastly, this is a feature that sets it apart from the other Twitter style status updates. It fixes a major flaw IMHO. FTFA: "Zuckerberg says the Timeline is “a place that you are proud to call your home.” While the current Facebook profile is completely based on showing all the latest updates, the Timeline is meant to highlight all the important updates of your life."

The timeline sounds time-consuming. I have hobbies, a job, a family, grad school, friends (real ones!). Why would I want to spend more time pondering what's important to the grand scheme of my life every time I want to send out a brief status update? Why would I want to assign a label like "home" to a web page dedicated solely to devouring data about my life to serve up to marketers and advertisers? Why should I bother with a new paradigm that would ultimately make my life more exposed, complicated, and tedious? Every overhaul Facebook rolls out makes the experience more complicated, when all it originally did was serve as a kind of community bulletin board for an inner circle. It's a metastasizing freakshow, and I'm just plain done.

Re:Stop whining (2)

jbov (2202938) | more than 3 years ago | (#37485370)

Complaints can actually be well-founded, and those who dislike the subject of a news story are just as welcome to contribute their opinion.

My point is that there were no valid complaints. In all of the posts before mine, it was the typical knee jerk reaction. Everyone complained, but no one provided any real argument as to why. You were the first one to provide something of substance, about it being "time consuming". Although, I don't see much substance in it. You can post status updates normally, since newer items will be appear at the top unless you chose to weight them.

Zuckerberg won't read the post, but others will, and ultimately he has investors, employees, and business partners who can be rattled by widespread criticism and rejection of new functionality that's too unpleasant. If nobody talked about things they disliked, or expressed the objections you resent so vociferously, then no one would learn otherwise, and things would simply die off without an apparent cause, or stupidity would be perpetuated.

Maybe, maybe not. It is likely that they get their feedback from people posting complaints on Facebook itself. Regardless of that, with constructive complaints, the first few posts on here were a waste. In order for the system you described to work, people need to express what they like or do not like constructively.

An "ish"? This is a site for grownups, and you can use four letter words. For example, I don't care one fucking bit for your sneering tone.

Thanks for proving my point about being cool, by showing me how you can swear on-line, and suggesting I do the same.

Re:Stop whining (0)

FreonTrip (694097) | more than 3 years ago | (#37485488)

Thanks for proving my point about being cool, by showing me how you can swear on-line, and suggesting I do the same.

I didn't actually prove anything there, save that I was personally irritated by a euphemism for a curse word. Constructive complaints are being created 'round the world by tech journalists paid to express lucid, well-constructed thoughts and opinions. I'm a geologist by profession. The byzantine intricacies of social media, and Facebook's ongoing "bad little boy who acts guilty for being caught stealing a cookie, then goes right back to doing it" routine, are beyond my regular study or interest. But that doesn't mean I'm going to give Facebook the benefit of the doubt any more.

You're all right. You can stay on my lawn.

Re:Stop whining (-1, Flamebait)

Johann Lau (1040920) | more than 3 years ago | (#37485228)

what's your fucking point? your whole argument is what YOU think would be cool. "wah wah wah, don't do this, do that." no arguments other than your whinyness. well, who are you then? you seem to be ignorant with knickers in a bunch.. why would I replace my own judgement with yours? what a joke.

The timeline is innovative.

oh really, how so?

It allows you to showcase the most memorable or important times of your life.

you could say that about every fucking thing. you can say this about a felt tip marker, or a CD burner.... this is exactly the mindless drivel that is expected, of course.

facebook was invented by tools, and tools gobble it up.

thanks for proving that once again.

Re:Stop whining (-1)

Johann Lau (1040920) | more than 3 years ago | (#37486442)

ohh look, a tool found the mod button.... nothing to SAY though, huh? figures.

Re:Stop whining (0)

jbov (2202938) | more than 3 years ago | (#37486986)

Nothing here worth replying to. Thanks. Good luck social networking with your magic marker.

Re:Stop whining (-1)

Johann Lau (1040920) | more than 3 years ago | (#37487118)

"Nothing here worth replying to."

yeah, as if you could. for example, as if you could point out what's innovative about the timeline. but yeah, asking you to actually back your empty claims up is not worth replying to, your whole original post was kinda void and null. I just thought I'd let you know you're a tool.

"Good luck social networking with your magic marker."

oh, so that's your reply? hahaha. what abou email? RSS? do you really think clicking +1 somewhere establishes a SOCIAL relationship? facebook doesn't even hold a candle to a forum. from 2000.

Re:Stop whining (2)

jbov (2202938) | more than 3 years ago | (#37487144)

I already said what was innovative about the timeline. I don't need to repeat myself. You could also try reading the article for yourself.

I'm not sure why you are comparing a forum, or e-mail, or RSS to social networking.

Warning - M$ & Failbook Astroturfer (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37485836)

How much does M$ and Failbook pay you to astroturf for them using multiple accounts? [slashdot.org]

--
Friends don't help friends install M$ junk
Friends do assist M$ addicted friends in committing suicide

Re:Warning - M$ & Failbook Astroturfer (1)

jbov (2202938) | more than 3 years ago | (#37487076)

I don't have multiple accounts. I don't get paid anything. I haven't run anything but Debian for ten years, with the exception of a Windows testing box and a Linux Mint installation. I don't like Facebook or MS, but that isn't the point. The point is that as soon as something is said about Facebook, the same old crap comes out in the slashdot comments, regardless of the article. Blanket statements are made about privacy, or similarities to MySpace, that have nothing to do with the article. It is tiresome to read the same crap every time, as if saying facebook is the new myspace is somehow an original clever statement. Please, it's old already.

Like the first comment, about MySpace 3.0. When did MySpace implement or plan to implement this timeline? Then there are the comments about the new timeline and privacy. The timeline does nothing more to unveil private information than facebook already does. It is as if no one actually reads the articles before posting.

Sorry for being objective enough to realize that even the bad guys could have good ideas sometimes.

That being said, I do use facebook. My clients use facebook for their businesses. I post information on there that I don't consider private. Would I like it to be different in some ways? Yes. I'm not going to make useless posts on slashdot threatening to cancel my facebook account, though.

similar feature (1)

true_majik (588374) | more than 3 years ago | (#37484804)

For those that listen to Leo Laporte on TWiT, didn't he mention something similar by some big-name company? This was maybe 2 or 3 months ago. It also used Facebook as a source. Anybody remember what it was?

I love how it lets you listen in to friends chats (3, Interesting)

WillAffleckUW (858324) | more than 3 years ago | (#37484890)

Even if you only "know" both of them thru some passing knowledge, you can see their private chats and messages so long as 1 of the 2 or (for multi person messages, at least 1) of them has not blocked it explicity.

Oh wait, I meant "dislike".

Re:I love how it lets you listen in to friends cha (1)

BasilBrush (643681) | more than 3 years ago | (#37485840)

How do you do that then?

Re:I love how it lets you listen in to friends cha (3, Interesting)

WillAffleckUW (858324) | more than 3 years ago | (#37485916)

US version only. Click on Friends - check subscriptions - enable only those you want enabled. Shows up on Home in the upper right corner.

Note if one friend has permissions (by default) enabled, you still get to hear both friends even tho one turned it off.

Re:I love how it lets you listen in to friends cha (1)

BasilBrush (643681) | more than 3 years ago | (#37486056)

I don't see anything to do with chats there.

Re:I love how it lets you listen in to friends cha (1)

WillAffleckUW (858324) | more than 3 years ago | (#37486140)

You have to have chat on - if you disabled it (because it's really annoying) you won't see it.

Re:I love how it lets you listen in to friends cha (1)

nthitz (840462) | more than 3 years ago | (#37493492)

Chat != Wall posts

Re:I love how it lets you listen in to friends cha (1)

WillAffleckUW (858324) | more than 3 years ago | (#37493872)

of course chat doesn't equal wall posts.

However, multi-person chats and chats between two people that are friends without permissions both turned off to you do in fact show up.

Had fun for a couple of days repeating what I overheard in my status so that my friends realized the whole world could hear them - or their moms might find out ...

I can attest to this (1)

tkprit (8581) | more than 3 years ago | (#37496956)

last night; I did the unthinkable and turned adblock off and chat on, then subscribed/all to several ppl I don't normally interact with. Saw some of their chats in the clear on the news ticker. Had a bit of fun myself emailing one the contents of her chat [with a person I'd never heard of before]... the girl thought I was "hacking" her, LOL, but I told her how to do it as well.

But apparently FB cleaned this up; I haven't been able to replicate it today.

The best part; ppl I warned about it DIDN'T CARE if "only FB" could see the chats; they were concerned primarily that their chats might be broadcast to the world. *facepalm*

comment subject (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37485126)

who uses facebook anymore?

Re:comment subject (1)

wjcofkc (964165) | more than 3 years ago | (#37485172)

I can only hope your from the near future.

Bells&whistles or improving privacy features? (1)

darthium (834988) | more than 3 years ago | (#37485372)

There's one annoying behavior in FB, not fixed until the last time I verified it. When you comment something on a person's wall, such comment appears in all your contact walls, and there was no way to avoid it, supposedly because the owner of such wall must decide that, not you. How hard was to build, via programming, a feature that would allow the option 'This message will be visible only in this wall' or 'Do not allow this comment to be forwarded to other walls'?

Re:Bells&whistles or improving privacy feature (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37485452)

Do you even use Facebook??? You seem to be confusing walls and the news feed...

Re:Bells&whistles or improving privacy feature (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37499590)

I don't use facebook a lot, but the problem is posting in one wall or discussion, and it being sent to wathever it is (another walls or feeds) of other people.

I don;t want to send a private message to a single person, I wanted to be part of such discussion, but such messages I posted, should not be forwarded beyond the scope of such discussion.

That's a very simple extra option to be available when you send the message.

Re:Bells&whistles or improving privacy feature (1)

Osty (16825) | more than 3 years ago | (#37485902)

Walls are public. If you want to send a message to a user privately, send them a message. Durr.

Re:Bells&whistles or improving privacy feature (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37487878)

it's because you're friend's wall is set to be viewable by 'friends of friends', by your friend.

Amid all the FUD... (3, Interesting)

duerra (684053) | more than 3 years ago | (#37485888)

... is the really, really slick new timeline features. I'm having a hard time coming up with anything negative to say about the new timeline based layout. For those of you that have enabled it, what are your thoughts? I'm actually very impressed, and I think Facebook just leveled from my perspective.

Re:Amid all the FUD... (1)

farnsworth (558449) | more than 3 years ago | (#37488120)

I'm having a hard time coming up with anything negative to say about the new timeline based layout. For those of you that have enabled it, what are your thoughts?

I don't use Facebook, so maybe I'm not the best person to answer your question. But, I was there today and attended several sessions, so I saw a lot more about how they are thinking about this stuff. It is really slick. From a technical and UI point of view, it's a really nice combination of the existing Facebook and Twitter and Google+.

The abstract purpose of the timeline was made lucidly clear, and it's pretty obvious that, if you don't think too much about how it is appealing to essentially ones naturally narcissistic slants, it's totally great in many ways. However, exactly how it works was less clear. What other people see of your timeline was characterized differently throughout the day. This could be just poor communication, or internal confusion about how it works. It was mentioned that other people will get a magically generated view of your timeline that matches interests relevant to them. My take on this was that, eg, you, a sailing fan but not into technology, if you were to be friends with Larry Ellison, his timeline to you would be populated with tons of sailing stuff but nothing about Oracle. That was contradicted at other talks, so I'm not really sure. It seems kind of mushy either way. Perhaps the speakers were just mixing up pronouns...

If you are someone who has a decent attention to detail, and decent taste, and will carefully curate all your stuff, it seems like it will be great. However, I suspect that comprises about 0.5% of all facebook users. What will the "giant photo" be on the majority of timelines? Who will make sure that this giant single document containing years of data will be appropriately "shared"? What does it look like when something profoundly bad happens to someone (dealing with death, divorce, etc)?

It reminds me of Windows Metro -- In the absolute best case, it's beautiful and great and highly functional. How will the average case work, though? My prediction is, "far from great".

Aside: The keynote was completely lame. A large group of Facebook employees were laughing uproariously to the unfunny jokes, and applauding and cheering to slides before the slide even appeared. I've never noticed this at any other tech keynote, is it normally done this way?

Re:Amid all the FUD... (1)

Bertie (87778) | more than 3 years ago | (#37489126)

If you think that's good, you should check out Memolane [memolane.com] . They've been doing this with Facebook and quite a few other sites for a while.

Re:Amid all the FUD... (1)

tbannist (230135) | more than 3 years ago | (#37490016)

It's slick, but really who's going to use it? Would you set it up and then expect all of your friends and family to go and look at your personal timeline? If you're a celebrity, maybe there's some value in paying someone else to set it up for you as a promotional tool. However, I suspect for the vast majority of users they will neither have the inclination to set it up at all, nor the look at anyone else's timeline. It seems to be gimmicky to me. The first few people to set it up will get some people looking at it because it's new, and they'll get some appreciative comments and then I think it will become "old news" and unused except by people who are looking to use it for some other purpose. For example the promotion video was pretty slick and might be useful for creating a video for a Barr Mitzvah, Wedding, 80th birthday or Funeral. I don't see a whole lot of use beyond that type of special occasion, though.

Re:Amid all the FUD... (1)

duerra (684053) | more than 3 years ago | (#37494142)

As I understand it, it's not on anybody to "use" - it will be the default layout for all user profiles going forward, so everybody will get that for free. Anybody using FB to upload pictures, do checkins, updating their status' and whatever else will automatically benefit from the feature. Doing nothing but enabling the timeline for my profile, the default items on the timeline that they displayed were actually very relevant to events in my life, gave me a sense of nostalgia, and in general made me feel good about what they were doing. It far and away beats the old model of simply scrolling down a person's profile and chronologically seeing any and every story or link they've ever shared. You can still see these less eventful posts with a simple click, but by default their algorithm seems to just pick out more major events to prominently display on the timeline (work changes, if you got engaged or married, photos uploaded of you, etc.).

Still this morning, I start to wonder if the younger generation will start to rely on Facebook for itemizing life events instead of, say, scrapbooking or keeping a diary.

Re:Amid all the FUD... (1)

tbannist (230135) | more than 3 years ago | (#37495162)

Again the question is who is going to use it? Who will want to go and see your timeline other than you? It still seems to be a feature that's slick but ultimately not very relevant. It might be nice when you feel nostalgic and want to see the highlights of your Facebook life but beyond that it seems mostly useful to people you probably don't want looking at it. In other words, it's most useful to people who don't know you.

I'm a web designer and stopped supporting facebook (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37486436)

I have stopped supporting any Facebook applications. They change their API too often, their own examples don't work half the time, and I know that connecting a website up to Facebook is just giving them revenue in the form of user data. Yeah, I've lost some work, but I'm so much happier now...

Fancy... (1)

Roogna (9643) | more than 3 years ago | (#37487148)

It's the kind of thing I'd love to see an open version of, that I could run on my own servers and leave to my children. Sadly, filling in all that data for FB's use just ain't going to happen.

So The Truman show has finally become a reality... (1)

damian2k (2358426) | more than 3 years ago | (#37488138)

with Zuckerberg being the puppet master, selling off access to our life stories to corporate marketers.

The painful past. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37488472)

If only every life was a straight progression from happiness to more happiness. Most people don't date and marry and then make a baby with the first person they meet. Who wants a public timeline with a huge tragedy like a lost child or a spouse that leaves you, or a series of dating relationships that look creepy when two years buzz by in twelve seconds? But those kinds of events are what many people live through. Unless it becomes so tailored that it is no longer representative of a person's life, rather with their current way of living and looking at themselves in context, it's going to get turned off immediately by most users.

Control over timeline (1)

jbov (2202938) | more than 3 years ago | (#37488914)

I had a similar train of thought while reading the article. Although, I was thinking of a painful present. If I understand correctly, a user has full control over his or her timeline. Here is the quote from Zuckerberg, "You have complete control of everything on your Timeline,".

The idea is to show the important, or happy, parts of your life. While reading the article, I was thinking about a the son of a relative that just died. If you look at his profile now, all you see is sadness. This is because the content is sorted in a descending chronological order. He is a better man than that. A timeline would show you when volunteers showed up to help him rebuild his business that was destroyed by fire, or a photo of the first dollar he made thereafter, or his wedding day.

As a person, each of us is more than our immediate past. As I see it, the timeline allows you to say who you are as a whole. So, you can showcase when you were married, or your first child was born, or the last fishing trip you took with your uncle before he passed away. This is certainly better than only showing the past four weeks when you lost your job, lost your dog, got a divorce, and got a DUI.

Facebook is still around? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37504886)

Why?

I tried it occasionally for a year, didn't see the ROI, and haven't gone back.

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