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Anonymous Hacks Finland

Unknown Lamer posted more than 2 years ago | from the anonymous-releases-membership-rolls dept.

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First time accepted submitter spuguli writes with more exploits of Anonymous. "From Helsingin Sanomat: 'A data leak was uncovered in Finland on Saturday, in which personal details ... of around 16,000 people were uploaded onto a file-sharing website.' Anonymous has claimed responsibility for the cracking of several databases."

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Correction (2, Funny)

ttong (2459466) | more than 2 years ago | (#37982818)

Fins hack Finland. Nothing to see here, move along.

Re:Correction - Correction (0)

Mjlner (609829) | more than 2 years ago | (#37982956)

Finns hack Finland.

A fin is a limb on a fish.

Re:Correction - Correction (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37982998)

Aint no difference to me.. a fin is actually more useful than a finn...

Re:Correction - Correction (1, Funny)

sjames (1099) | more than 2 years ago | (#37983076)

Can't you feel 'em circlin', honey
Can't you feel 'em schoolin' around
You got fins to the left, fins to the right
And you're the only bait in town

Re:Correction - Correction (1)

fatphil (181876) | more than 2 years ago | (#37983344)

Maybe one or more Finns hack one lame website organised by and for Finns.

Re:Correction (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37984394)

You know, if I were going to ever illegally hack into a computer system with potential jail time as a penalty, I think doing it as Anonymous is a clever thing (duh!)

When has any illegal hack ever been done by anybody who showed proof of their actual identity, on purpose?

They tried hacking into my DB too... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37982828)

...but, as recommended, I expected us.

The main story is... (4, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37982842)

The National Bureau of Investigation published a slightly obfuscated list of the 16,000 victims, which brought down their website. They had 60,000 simultaneous connection attempts to the site. The question is how would the officials communicate with the public if it were a real national disaster.

Re:The main story is... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37983214)

The question is how would the officials communicate with the public if it were a real national disaster.

If it were a real national disaster I expect them to stop with the pretense and stop behaving like they can handle the situation alone. Then some IT guy will get the task to reach out to the public by any means necessary which would mean that he would publish the information on The Pirate Bay, Facebook, Youtube and/or any other server farm that can handle the load.

Re:The main story is... (2)

nepka (2501324) | more than 2 years ago | (#37983224)

If they had used Amazon or other good cloud hosting service, it would had scaled automatically. Cloud hosting does has good sides too.

Re:The main story is... (1)

ivoras (455934) | more than 2 years ago | (#37983504)

Yes, with backup copies on the Google, IBM and Dell clouds in case Amazon goes down (I'm not making this up: it happens).

Re:The main story is... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37983572)

Why does the Pentagon even bother with their home-grown systems? When push comes to shove, you want tried and true high-availability with economical pricing.

Re:The main story is... (1)

fa2k (881632) | more than 2 years ago | (#37984162)

If they had used Amazon or other good cloud hosting service, it would had scaled automatically.

Not if it happened in the middle of the holiday shopping season, when Amazon needs many of their servers for themselves. The hosting is not unlimited at all, just a large pool of servers.

Guess Anon (1)

Alunral (2477578) | more than 2 years ago | (#37982850)

Guess Anon just wanted some names. Wonder what use this could've had at all. Can't be much use, if they know who the people are, unless they plan on just selling the information, which won't do much anyway.

Re:Guess Anon (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37982864)

They put the info into the wild. How would they then sell it?

Re:Guess Anon (1)

mark_elf (2009518) | more than 2 years ago | (#37982900)

If I'm not mistaken, they did it for the lulz.

Re:Guess Anon (3, Informative)

nepka (2501324) | more than 2 years ago | (#37983234)

No, they did it to promote their own political agenda. Pastebin is here http://pastebin.com/ZGf00sJS [pastebin.com]

At least before "Anonymous" hacked evil companies or countries. Now some idiot is just pushing his own political agenda.

Re:Guess Anon (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37983394)

At least before "Anonymous" hacked evil companies or countries. Now some idiot is just pushing his own political agenda.

What you meant to say is, it was ok when their political agenda matched yours.

Re:Guess Anon (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37983280)

I doubt this is actually Anon doing anything. This is a bunch of leftist kiddie hackers claiming credit over something and (ab)using Anonymous name.

Re:Guess Anon (1)

nepka (2501324) | more than 2 years ago | (#37983306)

Yeah, and while you're at it could you tell us all who owns the Anonymous name?

Re:Guess Anon (1)

psiclops (1011105) | more than 2 years ago | (#37983378)

jerry rodgers. i mean ooops, i said nothing....

Kids (1)

tsa (15680) | more than 2 years ago | (#37982854)

Kids these days have far too much power. And shouldn't they be in school instead of ruining the lives of other people?

Re:Kids (2)

raedeon (1246638) | more than 2 years ago | (#37982884)

Kids? I'm 26

Re:Kids (1)

tsa (15680) | more than 2 years ago | (#37982906)

If you weren't a kid you wouldn't have said that.

Re:Kids (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37982930)

Guilt by association. Got anymore logical fallacies?

Re:Kids (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37984220)

You sure showed him.

Re:Kids (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37982914)

We weren't talking about your age, son.

Re:Kids (0)

psiclops (1011105) | more than 2 years ago | (#37983546)

26 inches is impressive.

Re:Kids (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37983898)

Except it was millimeters.

Re:Kids (0)

queBurro (1499731) | more than 2 years ago | (#37983912)

and 26 cm's isn't?

Re:Kids (0)

ciderbrew (1860166) | more than 2 years ago | (#37984114)

Sounds like a pain the arse.

Re:Kids (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37984484)

That may be, but you're certainly not Anonymous.

Re:Kids (4, Insightful)

DigiShaman (671371) | more than 2 years ago | (#37982958)

"Idle hands are the devil's tools." Other cultures have similar sayings. Basically, when people are not busy working (or learning), they find themselves more likely to cause mischief. Nothing new here.

Re:Kids (1)

Xest (935314) | more than 2 years ago | (#37983808)

I disagree, the problem is that historically kids have had too little power, having everything decided for them by adults who supposedly know better.

What we're seeing is a backlash from this, when kids finally find a way of gaining freedom whether it's through something like the internet or simply by becoming old enough to get away from their parents, then they don't know how to handle the responsibility of that freedom.

This is for example why England's young have such a binge drinking problem, because we have a culture of not letting kids near alcohol whatsoever under any circumstances, whilst those countries such as in Europe who may let their young have a glass of wine at christmas, or slowly drink alcohol in a relaxed manner at other times, have far less problems with it as the kids become old enough to buy their own.

Re:Kids (1)

Oswald McWeany (2428506) | more than 2 years ago | (#37984136)

I'm English and I grew up as a kid with a glass of wine with Sunday dinner and a shandy on a hot summer afternoon.

I would toast in New Years with some sherry- and drink Champagne on the major celebrations.

This isn't too unusual in England- if less common than in France or other continental countries.

Compare it to America though where a parent can (and would be) thrown in jail if they so much as let their kid take a sip of beer.

There is a little bit of binge drinking in the college years in America- but nothing like we see in the British isles. The binge drinking is more than just kids rebelling- it is a cultural aspect.

Re:Kids (1)

TangoMargarine (1617195) | more than 2 years ago | (#37984568)

So basically, it's "The Crucible."

Strike Witches (-1, Offtopic)

identity0 (77976) | more than 2 years ago | (#37982866)

I shall make sure that any reference to Finland shall contain a reference to this war heroine [donmai.us] before any posts about some open-source hacker.

Geography (5, Funny)

DaleCooper82 (860396) | more than 2 years ago | (#37982870)

How on Earth could they miss Mexico and end up in Finland instead?

Re:Geography (2)

The Master Control P (655590) | more than 2 years ago | (#37983188)

Yeah, I saw in google news that they called that off. Something about the Zetas being a bunch of vicious psychopaths who promised to murder 10 innocent people for every one of them exposed.

Can we please either send in the military or end the idiotic drug prohibition, which has brought about a massive wave of organized crime (just like last time)?

Re:Geography (2)

sleigher (961421) | more than 2 years ago | (#37983746)

Just like last time? No! Way worse than last time. Yes the gangs in Chicago and New York were ruthless and all that, but they didn't leave heads on stakes to prove a point. The level of violence has exceeded prohibition by such a large amount that it is almost criminal for our government to either sit by and do nothing, or to continue prohibition. Especially when much of this is about pot for crying out loud. I mean really? Let the people get stoned if they want. What the fuck is the problem? You let them get drunk!

Re:Geography (1)

TubeSteak (669689) | more than 2 years ago | (#37984456)

Something about the Zetas being a bunch of vicious psychopaths who promised to murder 10 innocent people for every one of them exposed.

http://news.google.com/news/story?q=anonymous+mexico+released&ncl=dDDFCRps7NE7hAMKfHxwafes1bMuM [google.com]

After the release of the Anonymous threats, the kidnapped member was released with a note that promised to kill 10 people for every name exposed by the group.

Sounds like their plan worked

Re:Geography (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37984074)

It was their new branch - anonypuss. The chicken shit talk big but do silly crap all hackers.

Perhaps Finland should have used Linux (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37982896)

Perhaps Finland should have used Linux

Re:Perhaps Finland should have used Linux (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37982950)

Finland invented Linux!

Re:Perhaps Finland should have used Linux (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37983018)

No kidding, genius.

Re:Perhaps Finland should have used Linux (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37983598)

But does it run linux?

OMG!!! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37982924)

We're on slashdot!

Anonymous Finland denies the hack (4, Informative)

amazeofdeath (1102843) | more than 2 years ago | (#37982944)

"Hello,
This is Anonymous Finland messaging you once again (actually not, the earlier messages were not written nor released by us.)

We have no opinions on any politicians all.
We have not hacked any Finnish websites.
We find antisec childish, among with lulzsec that was nothing but a bunch of bought exploits."

http://pastebin.com/X98zQ4Ea [pastebin.com]

Re:Anonymous Finland denies the hack (2, Informative)

nepka (2501324) | more than 2 years ago | (#37983244)

Lol, what a circlejerk again. There's no "anonymous finland". Anyone can claim to be anonymous.

Re:Anonymous Finland denies the hack (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37983552)

I am Anonymous Finland!

Re:Anonymous Finland denies the hack (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37983630)

Any one can claim that they are an nigerian prince, but that does't make it true.

Re:Anonymous Finland denies the hack (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37983722)

I am anonnymous and I'm saying I didn't do it.

Re:Anonymous Finland denies the hack (3, Insightful)

poity (465672) | more than 2 years ago | (#37984338)

You see, Anonymous and their supporters will accept the "Anyone can be Anonymous" position only when it's in their favor -- for example when law enforcement makes a public effort to arrest them, then no voice represents Anonymous, Anonymous is anyone. But when a hack occurs that's morally nebulous to a majority of people, out comes the ablative armor of a unified voice of denial.

In a thread about suspected Anonymous members being arrested your post would be +5 Insightful. But here you get down modded because their supporters deem this information counter productive to their damage control efforts. They can't have it both ways and have reasonable people believe them.

Re:Anonymous Finland denies the hack (1)

DocZayus (1046358) | more than 2 years ago | (#37983510)

That pastebin is so badly written, I almost expected to be asked for money to unlock some Nigerian king's money.

Re:Anonymous Finland denies the hack (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37983532)

They don't seem to understand the point of anonymous very well.

Re:Anonymous Finland denies the hack (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37983852)

Hello,
This is the Really Anonymous Finland messaging you -

We really don't like any politicians. Really. Those responsible sending out false information have been sacked and are no longer Anonymous.

Why not try a holiday in Finland this year?

Re:Anonymous Finland denies the hack (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37984436)

Who do they think they are for speaking for every Finnish anon?
I thought the point was that anybody could join and do what they please.

Is this even a hack? Is this even a data leak? (1)

Bossk-Office (1025872) | more than 2 years ago | (#37982970)

Is this even a data leak? "Names and social security numbers" -- I'm sure that information is all publicly available. Couldn't anyone simply run a few thousand social security numbers by some official government lookup web service and get these names? Now, TFA says "personal information, SUCH AS names and social security numbers". When I see a wording like that in a context like this, I'm convinced that "names and social security numbers" is precisely all it is!

Re:Is this even a hack? Is this even a data leak? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37982990)

Full names, street addresses, social security numbers, phone numbers. Basically everything you need to steal someone's identity.

Re:Is this even a hack? Is this even a data leak? (1)

Bossk-Office (1025872) | more than 2 years ago | (#37983014)

I'm sure these people's full names, street addresses and social security numbers are public information by law, and you can already look it up online. And at least half the population have their phone numbers publicly listed in a phone book or its online equivalent ...

Re:Is this even a hack? Is this even a data leak? (2)

gl4ss (559668) | more than 2 years ago | (#37983078)

no. the social security numbers are not public, neither are the addresses or phone numbers. and especially that they're on some db isn't public information.

they're so widely spread though that they might just as well be. but they are NOT public. also the institutions which had assembled these lists broke the law by leaking them.

you know whats the funny thing here? the fucking police spread the information and link to db..

Re:Is this even a hack? Is this even a data leak? (2)

nepka (2501324) | more than 2 years ago | (#37983254)

you know whats the funny thing here? the fucking police spread the information and link to db..

No they didn't. What they released only had first names and birth date so people can look up if they are possibly listed. It doesn't even contain anyone's last name.

Re:Is this even a hack? Is this even a data leak? (1)

m.ducharme (1082683) | more than 2 years ago | (#37984346)

no. the social security numbers are not public, neither are the addresses or phone numbers. and especially that they're on some db isn't public information.

Depends on the jurisdiction. I would bet the social security numbers aren't public, but the rest of it probably is. In fact, I have handy access to a database with names, addresses and numbers of thousands of people, and you probably do to; the phone book.

Re:Is this even a hack? Is this even a data leak? (1)

nepka (2501324) | more than 2 years ago | (#37983276)

I'm sure these people's full names, street addresses and social security numbers are public information by law, and you can already look it up online. And at least half the population have their phone numbers publicly listed in a phone book or its online equivalent ...

No they aren't. Social security numbers especially should be kept secret. While street addresses can be look up, everyone has the right to block such look ups. You don't need to give a reason and it's easy to do online. I have done so. It can make things a bit more difficult (for example if you forget your key inside and call someone to open the door, they can't check by calling that you actually live there), but anyone is free to choose. Since this leak comes from private databases, it would had bypassed that block and spread private addresses to anyone. That would be especially worrying for someone who has someone stalking him/her. Phone numbers are the same thing. People are free to decide if they want their number public or not.

Re:Is this even a hack? Is this even a data leak? (1)

m.ducharme (1082683) | more than 2 years ago | (#37984384)

In my jurisdiction, phone numbers can be blocked (private information) though not many people do. Your address however, is very certainly public information if you live in a Land Titles jurisdiction. Anybody and their dog can stop by the land titles office, spend a few bucks, and find out who lives at my address. Canadian privacy laws specifically exclude addresses from the list of protected personal information.

The moral of the story is, don't just assume that all your information is private, check the laws.

Re:Is this even a hack? Is this even a data leak? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37983740)

Yes, and just to be curious chart the whereabouts of these individuals. Just grepped
sixty in my hometown, a lot of those living nearby. Maybe I should buy a t-shirt saying something
like "Hi! gays have more fun, and I just went black and ain't goin' back". Just to balance the t-shirts I see around here
that go way beyond freedom of speech IMO.
( Unfortunately, there is not enough paint thinner in the world to make me think that "Kill all fanatics" makes sense :) )

As a side note, the three people who torched a homeless guy recently in Helsinki dont sure look like immigrants.
Maybe a justified leak IMO.

Re:Is this even a hack? Is this even a data leak? (2)

Zironic (1112127) | more than 2 years ago | (#37983066)

You can not legally give out a persons full social security number through the internet in the Nordic countries, so no.

Leak, not a hack (4, Interesting)

Bostik (92589) | more than 2 years ago | (#37983200)

Bit of background: Finland has pretty strict privacy laws, and compiling personal detail lists, such as this, is subject to regulation. Very few care about that. What really matters is that storing such lists has certain requirements - and disseminating them is explicitly unlawful.

The leaked list is apparently a compilation of 10 (or more) smaller lists. Criminal Bureau are going after the person who compiled and published the list, and the morons who compiled the original lists will probably get off with less than a slap on their wrists.

The original compilations have been passed around via mailing lists. I'll let that sink in.

[Puts on the cynic hat]
What should be a wake-up call to enforce the collection and dissemination rules will be used to drum up the threat of Anonymous and increased possibility to get spammed. The real problem, namely the near-criminal negligence with which this type of data is handled, will be ignored.

In a nutshell: someone who had access to multiple lists exposed a systematic indifference to privacy laws and the utter ignorance of decent practices. The leak itself will be vilified, while the practices which allowed this to happen with such trivial effort are unlikely to be addressed.

Re:Is this even a hack? Is this even a data leak? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37983232)

Social security numbers are not and whilst companies are very careful to obey the law in terms of securely storing the numbers of their employees and those of their customers that they must (e.g. banks but also ISPs and others that send invoices to their customers), they're more than happy to provide more convenient customer service by letting you identify yourself over the phone by just giving your name and social security number. Thus I know that I could at least harass someone if I had theirs because I could pretend to be them on the phone and handle urgent issues simply over the phone - such as "my credit card has been stolen, I'm sorry, I don't remember the card number but my social security no. is blah, blah" (I know this since I once lost mine and did it just like that).

It is probably a hoax (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37982982)

The two linked leaks are not necessarily connected. The Pastebin leak is of a neo-nazi website's database, and claims responsibility of the much, much larger leak of 16,000 names. However, I have good grounds to believe they are just claiming the leak in their name without having actually done it, because they fail to disclose the missing evidence of where these 16,000 names originated from. The police, the media and individual citizens have been investigating this, but it is not yet known where they originated from.

Because the PasteBin text fails to address where did this leak originate, it is probable that they did not do it. Instead, they are riding the publicity to further a political (anti-nationalist) agenda.

Re:It is probably a hoax (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37983022)

Finnish newspaper Iltalehti [iltalehti.fi] (in Finnish) is now reporting that the attempt by some members of Anonymous to claim the leak is a hoax. Actually, the person or group claiming responsibility did probably do neither of the leaks. The "new" leak was actually published already three weeks ago, and someone just copied that leak and tried to gain news coverage for his political ends.

Surprisingly sane newspaper website (2)

Kidbro (80868) | more than 2 years ago | (#37982988)

The most astonishing thing with this story is the medium. This is the first time in quite a while I've seen an easy to read, easy to navigate web page (from a news organization) where the actual content gets the majority share of my screen real estate.
It also was so quick to load that I couldn't really believe that it was done, and for a long while after it had finished I simply sat staring at the page wondering when the rest (the crap!) would arrive. It never did.

Good job, Helsingin Sanomat.

Re:Surprisingly sane newspaper website (1)

dropadrop (1057046) | more than 2 years ago | (#37983024)

Seems you where looking at their archive / english site. The main finnish site is as bad as most others (ok, it did get a bit better in a recent update)...

http://www.hs.fi/

Re:Surprisingly sane newspaper website (1)

Kidbro (80868) | more than 2 years ago | (#37983070)

Ah, I stand corrected. I clicked the link in TFS (what a thing to do!). But yes, the main one, while better than most others, is still quite bad, I agree.

I should thank you for enlightening me, but I think I'd have preferred blissful ignorance ;-)

Did they get Linus Torvalds? (1)

Ramin_HAL9001 (1677134) | more than 2 years ago | (#37983004)

16,000 people, out of a population of about 5.4 million, that's about a 0.3% chances they got him, or perhaps one of his family's personal information.

Re:Did they get Linus Torvalds? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37983158)

Considering the list was of people applying for membership to a Neo-Nazi group, no. He's been a member for quite a while.

Re:Did they get Linus Torvalds? (1)

Reservoir Penguin (611789) | more than 2 years ago | (#37983396)

Maybe his family, but he himself recently became a naturalized US citizen.

Discuss their evildoing (2)

qxcv (2422318) | more than 2 years ago | (#37983100)

The person who did this uses the alias anomuumi. It is a generic term used when individuals who hang around at the Finnish message board forums discuss their evildoing.

-- Mikko Hyppönen on his deep understanding of Internet culture.

Re:Discuss their evildoing (1)

HairyNevus (992803) | more than 2 years ago | (#37983166)

I figured it translated to "anonymous", too (I assume that's what you're implying). But Google says Finnish for anonymous is 'nimetön'.... *shrugs*

Re:Discuss their evildoing (2)

weicco (645927) | more than 2 years ago | (#37983248)

Yes, anonymous = nimetÃn. Anomuumi is not actually a word at all. It can be a mix of the word "anonymous" and "muumi" where "muumi" means Moomin but I'm not sure about this. Basically it's just common nickname which a lot of people use. In fact, I used it some years ago at Helsingin Sanomat forum but I'm not the Anomuumi in question here.

And what comes to the incident, my knowledge is that Anonymous has already denied that they had anything to do with this.

Re:Discuss their evildoing (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37983256)

In translates to "Ano-Moomin" (as in Moomin characters). A wordplay on Anonymous / Anonyymi (direct translation which is just as right as "nimetön")

Re:Discuss their evildoing (1)

migla (1099771) | more than 2 years ago | (#37983278)

"nimetÃn" is "nameless", literally translated. The word "anonyymi" is official too, but not "anonuumi". I think spelling it anonuumi is a (possibly deliberate) colloquialization.

Re:Discuss their evildoing (1)

nepka (2501324) | more than 2 years ago | (#37983296)

Well, anonyymi is more correct. "Anomuumi" is ano + muumi [194.68.145.1] .

Great job messing things up! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37983108)

Well done! ...at epic failing, I suppose.

Article from helsingin sanomat has nothing to do with the second link.

1. Personal information of 16 000 people was hacked. Probably from an education system that has peoples names, adresses, social security numbers, etc. probably leaked from a dumb ass email user who attached an excel containing private data to mass mailing list.

2. Applications to join neo-nazi national party was hacked. At least one secretary has resigned from his position in another party.

First link connects to issue 1, second link to issue 2. I am completely missing the point how the two different issues are connected unlike the story suggests.

Re:Great job messing things up! (-1, Troll)

nepka (2501324) | more than 2 years ago | (#37983302)

Welcome to Slashdot, stories here don't really care about facts!

You morons! You are playing right into their plot! (4, Insightful)

Gopal.V (532678) | more than 2 years ago | (#37983186)

Wrong forum to say this, but listen to me, all you call yourselves Anonymous!

Forget about "V for Vendetta". Now, take a history lesson from someone who's not of the first world and grew up in a communist paradise [notmysock.org] .

Guy Fawkes did British revolutionaries a complete disservice. First up, he was a religious nutjob who wanted to kill a king for religious intolerance. The end result of which was that finally the king had a real good & proper reason to hunt down the catholics. The ordinary catholics ended up in a long drawn struggle and bore most of the collateral damage out of the actions of an anarchistic commune. Those thirteen proved to be as bad for the catholics as the original.

With the new "Guy Fawkes" vigilantes are similarly giving ammunition to the government to grab control of the internet, choke down every protest fair or otherwise. You assholes aren't fighting authority, you're just the reason giving their oppression legitimacy in the eyes of the people who don't want to be accidentally your targets for the lulz.

And here's some advice from my dad, "If you really want to be a rebel, live for the rebellion, don't die for it". Now, if you want to be a martyr instead ... don't take me down with you.

Re:You morons! You are playing right into their pl (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37983506)

First, mod parent up.

Second, how do you know the people giving ammunition to "legitimize" additional regulations and to choke down on other forms of protest aren't the same ones doing the regulating and choking? It's all just a circle jerk - liberals make reasons to add regulations - because in the end it's all about squeezing the population for more money.

Re:You morons! You are playing right into their pl (2)

psiclops (1011105) | more than 2 years ago | (#37983564)

cool, that makes me feel better about being too lazy to stand up for anything. now i know that doing so would only make things worse.

Re:You morons! You are playing right into their pl (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37983602)

The OP's logic only holds if the government win in the end. If Anonymous always find a way around filters and privacy laws, bring injustice to the eyes of the people despite government control of the media, and manage to stop a totalitarian government taking over, then they should be fighting.

If a totalitarian government ever forms they will take away your weapons (whether they be rifles or Anonymity) no matter what you do. It's better to use them now to stop that future from ever forming

Re:You morons! You are playing right into their pl (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37983998)

...you're missing an important point...
Anon doesn't "bring injustice to the eyes of the people". You seem to believe that Anon is a protest movement - it is not. Even if it were, do you really want a faceless group of unknown people to "save" you from "injustice" (the definitions are up to Anon)? Are you really OK with a secret independent unaccountable group messing with your personal data?

Here's the kicker - even if you are OK with Anon doing their thing, I'm not. There are lots of people like me. We don't want to worry about someone exposing our personal data to the public, or hacking our bank, etc. You probably think of people like me as collateral damage and pawns. Well, Anon has done nothing BUT create collateral damage - there is no objective. They say it themselves. What is wrong with you, that you can overlook things like PURPOSE and METHOD when evaluating a movement's validity?

Re:You morons! You are playing right into their pl (1)

openfrog (897716) | more than 2 years ago | (#37984102)

Well said. The idea of 'Anonymous' being counter-productive and merely a pretext for authoritarian moves (think of the fire of the Reichstag being used by Hitler so seize control of the parliament) has been repeated for a few months here on Slashdot.

Now, if there were a group called Anonymous and if they were convinced by such words, odds are that you could very well continue to see more hacks perpetrated in the name of Anonymous. That's the second vicious twist in this terrible idea, which consequences are the same, providing a pretext to convince the masses that Internet controlling legislation is a good thing.

Stupid stupid stupid.

Not much of a leak (1)

Kiuas (1084567) | more than 2 years ago | (#37983370)

As is usual with these types of news the story has been blown out of proportion. Other then some social security numbers, nothing "personal" was leaked. The information in the leak ios mostly data like adresses and phone numbers which are puiblicly available in the first place.

Yes, someone could in theory use the leaked SSNs to do something malicious but that's extremely difficult. Don't get me wrong, I don't like the fact that these sorts of leaks are becomming more and more common even though you'd think the security would've improved by now, but this time it seems we got lucky. Hopefully whoever is responsible for the security of whereever the data was leaked has learned his/her lesson.

Also, as far as I know this was done by a single individual, not "anonymous".

Re:Not much of a leak (1)

LilWolf (847434) | more than 2 years ago | (#37983684)

Yes, someone could in theory use the leaked SSNs to do something malicious but that's extremely difficult.

Oh please. All they have to do is sign up for an e-commerce website, put in the SSN number and they can order stuff with a bill and not have to pay for any of it.

Signing up for a mobile number with that information is very easy and once you have one of those, you can take out small loans from some of the shadier companies. Sure, it's not world ending stuff, but it'll be a pain in the ass for anyone to deal with.

Do something useful for once Anon (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37983408)

Why not take down paedophile rings, drug cartels that dumb down society, dictators who impose moronic taxes?

Re:Do something useful for once Anon (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37983848)

You are anonymous. Do it faggot!

How ironic (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37983550)

Quote " We have no tolerance for any group based on racial, sexual and religion discrimination as well as for all the people belonging to them and sharing their ideologies"

How ironic coming from a bunch of people who are targetting others for their beliefs and chosen way of life.

Again, the actions of this affects innocent by-standards.

Re:How ironic (1, Offtopic)

MysteriousPreacher (702266) | more than 2 years ago | (#37983930)

I posted as the AC, and I'd like to add that I now totally disagree with what I wrote. I eat babies.

You see the problem inherent in ascribing uniform beliefs to amorphous groups?

Reasons for acts never published (1)

jago25_98 (566531) | more than 2 years ago | (#37983842)

When a protest group, terrorist group or even a lone gunman does something to hit the news I always want to know what it is exactly they are trying to bring attention to.

Is it co-conspiratorial to report the reason, thus giving the action a voice? Or is it serving the people who want to know?

Finland is a server now? (1)

rebelwarlock (1319465) | more than 2 years ago | (#37983856)

I like how the summary makes it sound like Finland is a single computer that was hacked into.

Irresponsible (1)

Cloud K (125581) | more than 2 years ago | (#37983928)

Whether this is the "real" Anonymous or not (how can something that has no set identity be real or not?), they're kind of getting out of hand.

Sometimes they have an agreeable cause (in my opinion, but that's just the thing, it's an opinion) but all the people calling for regulation and full traceability of the internet will be pointing at this "Anonymous" lot and saying "That's why".

They like to make themselves feared, but it's just going to drive more people towards wanting to do anything to protect the internet / their children / etc from them.

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