×

Announcing: Slashdot Deals - Explore geek apps, games, gadgets and more. (what is this?)

Thank you!

We are sorry to see you leave - Beta is different and we value the time you took to try it out. Before you decide to go, please take a look at some value-adds for Beta and learn more about it. Thank you for reading Slashdot, and for making the site better!

Disposable VPN: Tor Gateways With EC2 Free Tiers

timothy posted about a year and a half ago | from the getting-the-message-across dept.

Censorship 78

The established regime in Turkey (not to mention many other countries: take your pick) may not like any-to-many communications, but luckily established regimes don't always get the final word. An anonymous reader writes "Lahana is my little side project to help people access the Internet and Tor via Amazon EC2 free tier-based VPNs. It's a couple of scripts that set up a new VPN in a couple of minutes that automatically tunnels everything through Tor. It's easy to share credentials with groups of people and for most people is free to set up and use. I built it with Turkey in mind, but it no doubt has other uses."

Sorry! There are no comments related to the filter you selected.

Wouldn't it be more "accessible" (3, Insightful)

eksith (2776419) | about a year and a half ago | (#43893041)

If there was more of ad-hoc mesh of peers connecting Jordan to neighbors? The "Internet" may be blocked, but that's still within. An "extranet" may be harder to block/filter etc... This still has to go through Jordan's tubes, which they, or any other country really, can cut at any point as well.

Re:Wouldn't it be more "accessible" (1)

eksith (2776419) | about a year and a half ago | (#43893057)

Ah, for anyone thinking I've lost my marbles talking about Jordan: Well, I briefly did, but found them again! I'm thinking more in the lines of this story [7iber.com] , which is still applicable. I guess my brain decided to merge the two.

Attention - Young Turks (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43893043)

Turks - don't let your movement fizzle and be subject to intimidation and co-opting by lunatic fringes. That is where America's occupy movement failed. Do not stop until the establishment makes concessions for you and fears you. There is a lot at stake here, if you lose, you will be reduced to a state not unlike that of Saudi Arabia.
 
  -- Ethanol-fueled

Re:Attention - Young Turks (2, Informative)

game kid (805301) | about a year and a half ago | (#43893111)

At the very least, Erdogan's Pave-A-Park Plan is incredibly tacky. It demonstrates everything wrong with an oblivious and uncompassionate government, in orange-juice-concentrate form. I mean, replace a nice park [wikipedia.org] with a historical symbol of war [wikipedia.org] (as if we should remind ourselves to be perpetually on such footing)...and then put a...shopping mall...inside...?

wat.

Re:Attention - Young Turks (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43893225)

Strength Through Shopping, citizen!

Re:Attention - Young Turks (1)

Neo-Rio-101 (700494) | about a year and a half ago | (#43893265)

Strength Through Shopping, citizen!

Democracy can't function without a consumption-based culture!

Re:Attention - Young Turks (1)

stenvar (2789879) | about a year and a half ago | (#43894421)

Democracy can't function without a consumption-based culture!

Yes. Democracy can't function without individual liberty. If you give people individual liberty, many of them will choose to consume and many others will choose to market and sell to them. Furthermore, the economy will be doing well enough to support and enable such behaviors. So, yes, democracy and consumerism are inextricably linked. You can't have democracy and liberty without lots of people making stupid choices, including (over-)consumption.

Re:Attention - Young Turks (1)

cheater512 (783349) | about a year and a half ago | (#43893997)

If you've never been to Istanbul, damn it needs every park it can get.
Not terribly 'green'. I could just be spoilt by Australia however.

Re:Attention - Young Turks (4, Interesting)

Archon-X (264195) | about a year and a half ago | (#43893347)

I flew 3,500km this weekend to support the Turks w/ their cause. It's absolutely not just 'Young Turks' - it's young, old, male, female, working class, middle class, upper class - aethiest, christian, islam - all in it together.

The US-based occupy movements were formed on arguably shaky foundations. This isn't - the park was simply a trigger point for what has been a 10 year gradual decay of rights, liberties and privledges.

It's certainly far from Attaturk's legacy.

Re:Attention - Young Turks (1)

TubeSteak (669689) | about a year and a half ago | (#43893665)

Don't expect much comprehension from Americans.
Turkey is an American ally, so American media is doing what it can to ignore the uprising.

Turkey probably wishes their protests were getting as much coverage as
Jordan, Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, Yemen, and Bahrain (is that all of 'em?) did.

In case anyone is wondering why the Turkish military hasn't removed the Prime Minister already [economist.com]

Re:Attention - Young Turks (1)

tibman (623933) | about a year and a half ago | (#43898179)

They are an ally? I remember them denying fly-over permission for the Iraq Invasion.

Those are the best allies (1)

jotaeleemeese (303437) | about a year and a half ago | (#43959159)

The ones that tell you when you are wrong and don't partake in your idiocies.

Re:Attention - Young Turks (1)

Decker-Mage (782424) | about a year and a half ago | (#43898619)

Thank ye for that pointer. Far more revealing were the comments to the article.

Re:Attention - Young Turks (4, Informative)

DNS-and-BIND (461968) | about a year and a half ago | (#43893755)

Occupy Wall Street was the voice of the 99% rising up against the 1%. The elite used police thugs to bring an end to the uppity commoners. It's sad you've fallen for the false narrative provided by Fox News.

Re:Attention - Young Turks (2)

Pubstar (2525396) | about a year and a half ago | (#43893865)

Yes and no. While I do know that they were fighting for what they believe in, the lack of a central figure leading the movement and lack of a cohesive set of goals, it came off the wrong way. It was a bunch of people yelling their own grievances, and they were just drowning each other out. But, as they said, they didn't want a central figure, because it was about all of them being equal... or something like that.

Re:Attention - Young Turks (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43894547)

Regardless, OWS isn't exactly over yet. The conditions that caused it to happen are mostly still in place, as not all the grievances have been addressed. It's merely lost momentum for the meantime as the overall situation gets reassessed. The question is whether or not the relief valve has been replaced by the bolt of a more oppressive authority once the pressure cooker starts to heat up again. If it happens the next time around, it might not be the big kumbaya party we have been familiar with.

Now if it they wanted to make it go away for sure, then a lot of issues regarding economics, personal freedom, and social justice would have to be fixed. (And definitely not "fixed" as in rigged, as they are now.) That's why it happened in the first place.

Re:Attention - Young Turks (3, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43895105)

OWS did two things: It helped Corrections Corporation of America fill the beds with felonies handed out like candy and it gave local PDs the excuse to do some riot practice on citizens.

Maybe if OWS did what Beck's Restoring Honor rallies did -- get a permit, lodge a protest dressed in decent clothes and presentable facial hair (the scraggly beards with the last 2-3 meals encrusted in it doesn't help matters), and when done with the march, LEAVE. Beck got two million people into and out of DC, zero arrests, zero murders, zero rapes, zero people stabbed, and DC was actually left cleaner.

The teabaggers may be a laughingstock, but they didn't leave tents in public places until cities had a sanitation issue, nor did they stop day to day business, getting them a lot of bad press.

Had OWS played by the same rules that everyone else did, they might have had a shot at a Congresscritter's ear or two. However trying to do a re-enactment of Woodstock did nothing for their cause, and in fact made Congress move away from ever wanting to hear a word from anything Occupy*. In my neck of the woods, even the KKK and Nazi parties have the ability to do their marches; they just get the permits ahead of time.

Lesson learned: Dress the part, shave the beard, cover the tattoos, get a haircut, and conduct oneself properly, and maybe one will get a message across, and maybe there will be discussion, not riot teams showing up.

Re:Attention - Young Turks (2, Insightful)

poetmatt (793785) | about a year and a half ago | (#43895401)

"get a permit, lodge a protest dressed in decent clothes and presentable facial hair (the scraggly beards with the last 2-3 meals encrusted in it doesn't help matters), and when done with the march, LEAVE."

Uh, have you ever heard of civil disobedience? this statement I quoted from above is the exact opposite of what a protest is for. Meanwhile, Teabaggers have funding from incredibly wealthy vested interests so they had tons more publicity. OWS coverage was minimized due to the same people's interests.

lesson wrong: anonymous.

While shouting is not going to get a protest message across, you can't expect everyone to magically dress like a lawyer when they protest.

Re:Attention - Young Turks (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43895571)

It's good to see that you've fallen victim to the establishment's method of maintaining power: pitting us against each other.

You fall for their vilification of the tea party.

The tea party falls for their vilification of OWS.

It's very important we keep both groups apart, otherwise they might find they have a common goal in liberty.

 

Re:Attention - Young Turks (1)

poetmatt (793785) | about a year and a half ago | (#43896561)

uh, what?

people are always pitted against eachother. Even in a vested interests situation.

+1 for craziest strawman I've ever read.

Re:Attention - Young Turks (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43896007)

When I think of all the great US Civil Rights Activists I can't think of any of note that made such a mess as OWS idiots. When Dr. King marched did he protesters shit in public? I would have paid good money to be on the riot line and cracked some pot head skulls.

OWS is not about liberty, but Anarchy. There is a difference.

And 99% was a slogan, not a real cause. Face it, without the 1% the 99% could not exist. Want your taxes to go up 200% or more?

Re:Attention - Young Turks (1)

tnk1 (899206) | about a year and a half ago | (#43896209)

The whole, "get a haircut and dress well", may be overdoing it. However, the point was valid. OWS looked like it was a bunch of people who were squatting in a park with only vaguely defined goals and who purported to represent "everyone else".

I think half of the issue with this is that when you represent the 99%, you might want to come across as more than a bunch of incompetent extremists. Most of the "99%" has a job and had better things to do with their time than sit around without a goal. People are going to be wary of those who want to overturn the existing order, but only seem to have the vaguest notion about what needs to be done, or even the vaguest notion on how to organize a protest.

If they had been successful somehow, without their own organization and goals, they just would be tearing it down and having nothing to replace it with. And when that happens, those who are organized and waiting in the wings for someone to topple the powers that be will step in. Sometimes, that's okay, but frequently, there is a good reason those opportunists are outside the existing power structure. They're dangerous, and no one in their right mind would let them come to the table unless the table was upturned and the people around it scattered.

Point being, I'm not going to support some movement who looks like their only goal is to change the current order, one way or another, but not tell me what they want to replace it with. Just like the people who want us to "Throw the Bums Out", you are left to wonder why that would be in any way sufficient. What keeps one set of bums from being replaced with another set of them?

Next time, while beard trimming and sanitation would be a good idea, start with an actual set of goals that people can get behind. Getting a little angry is not a bad thing, but follow it up with something constructive.

Re:Attention - Young Turks (1)

Em Adespoton (792954) | about a year and a half ago | (#43898165)

While shouting is not going to get a protest message across, you can't expect everyone to magically dress like a lawyer when they protest.

Actually, that'd be an EXCELLENT flashmob protest: get everyone to dress like a trial lawyer (complete with briefcase.... I bet the media would LOVE it, and the police would think twice before treating them like riot fodder.

Civil disobedience should have purpose (1)

jotaeleemeese (303437) | about a year and a half ago | (#43959215)

Otherwise is not effective, it becomes just er, disobedience.

Here in London the people that occupied a space in front of St Pauls Cathedral and later on in Finsbury Park (both at the heart of the financial heart of London) were demonized, but in all honesty their nonsensical antics, purposeless rantings on national TV and lack of clear political aims and grievances made it a piece of cake to portrait them like a bunch of nutcases.

You may say whatever you want about the Tea Parters, but you can't say the money is what makes them stand. They know what they want, they organize and fight for it, and they have shaped part of the political landscape in the US (to the point that their pressure has lost the Republicans 2 Presidential elections. May that continue).

Political organization requires far more than a flash mob called with Facebook.

Re:Attention - Young Turks (1)

Archon-X (264195) | about a year and a half ago | (#43893887)

I',m not trying to enter into a pissing contest - all I am attemtping to illustrate is the incfedible support for this movement - it is most definitely larger, and much more intense than occupy ever was.

You can see this in even one clip i shot from last night: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ZBsdYCOLuY [youtube.com]

Re:Attention - Young Turks (2)

gl4ss (559668) | about a year and a half ago | (#43893919)

occupy movement was way under 1%... not that much about the 99%. and no goal. for fucks sake they didn't even ask anyone to resign.

Re:Attention - Young Turks (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43895049)

Hurr durr the 99% are keeping you down. It's a giant global conspiracy against the commoners! Hey, please do not breed. Better yet, die along side the Fox News crowd you hate so much.

Re:Attention - Young Turks (1)

AHuxley (892839) | about a year and a half ago | (#43893757)

Do you really think the people who did Balyoz, Ergenekon, the Susurluk scandal, the derin devlet will just sit back?
You will all be labeled like the "Mountain Turks" where and get to enjoy the wonderful new EU ready prison system.
Gone are the huge dormitories, hello solitary confinement.
You will be worked on like the US-based occupy movements where - everyone will be catalogued, leaders found, turned or misdirected, the movement stopped.
Tor will not save you from any state friendly with the NSA (the USA used Turkey eg Karamursel as the UK GCHQ used Cyprus) - generations going back to Adana flights, U2 from Turkey, generations of sigint collection help will not be forgotten by the USA and UK.
Recall the West faced the TPLA, TPLF in the 1970's....

Re:Attention - Young Turks (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43894855)

Must be cool to have the financial means to fly around the world to be a wretched bum abroad, on demand!

And utter lack of any goal, laziness (5, Insightful)

raymorris (2726007) | about a year and a half ago | (#43893537)

"That is where America's occupy movement failed."

That, and the fact that they had no goal, nothing specific they were trying to accomplish other than to complain that some people (ie college grads) earn more than others (mostly dropouts and liberal arts majors). Also, their complete laziness - refusal to DO anything other than sit in a park smoking weed.

So yeah, Turks, don't fall into those two traps. Find an actual solution to advocate for, then do something about it. It seems that getting high and whining doesn't improve your life effectively.

Re:And utter lack of any goal, laziness (1)

Achra (846023) | about a year and a half ago | (#43893703)

THIS. I wish I hadn't burned my mod points earlier today, this needs to be modded up.

Re:And utter lack of any goal, laziness (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43894535)

Your post, at best, is wild generalization in a clear attempt to shitwash a group and rewrite history with a brain damaged one.

Your post sucks: 2/10

Re:And utter lack of any goal, laziness (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43894875)

Surely you mean "down twinkles"?

I supported the general sentiment behind OWS when it started, but it's undeniable that it fell apart into a rambling mess of incoherent and unachievable demands (e.g. forgive huge student debts wilfully incurred for useless libarts degrees) very quickly. In the beginning there were some rational protesters, but it quickly became populated by the hard left and confused young socialists/anarchists, who proceeded to turn it into a comical demonstration of why leaderless movements that have to vote on everything - whilst at all times being sure to check their privilege and ensuring they don't hurt anybody's feelings - do not scale or achieve anything.

Re:And utter lack of any goal, laziness (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43896909)

If you were there, and participated in OWS, then ok, you can say it's an unfair generalization of whatever OWS was doing.

But no two ways about it, this is objective truth: The GP's post accurately and perfectly portrays the entirety of OWS' communication with the outside world. In every single case without exception, if you were not participating in OWS, then "We're mad that we don't make as much money as college grads" is the only thing OWS ever told you. It was the entirety of their message and they ruthlessly stonewalled anyone who asked for more information. If you say that internally they had some other effort, and that they kept it a secret, and they were murdering anyone who they thought might leak their agenda, then ok. Perhaps they really were security experts and hid their agenda well. I don't believe it, but it's possible.

But "give us money for nothin'" is all they ever said any time an outsider, the press, etc asked them WTF they were doing.

Re:And utter lack of any goal, laziness (1)

toxickitty (1758282) | about a year and a half ago | (#43895279)

And hear I always though it was savage beatings by police.

Re:And utter lack of any goal, laziness (1)

wytcld (179112) | about a year and a half ago | (#43895803)

Most people in America now have an opinion on the topic of "The 1% vs. the 99%." This was not the case before Occupy. Making it part of the political conversation was the chief goal of the Occupy events. They succeeded. And at very small cost compared, for example, to the massive subsidies given to Tea Party groups and right-wing think tanks by the Koch brothers in support of injection of their own memes into the national conversation.

So a few thousand people, in a few months of their time, accomplished work equivalent to $100s of millions in expenditures. That's good ROI. If they also got to indulge in some recreational drumming while they accomplished this ... well, the Kochs enjoy many cultural and recreational activities too. The notion that only the excessively rich deserve to enjoy life is a problem, isn't it?

Re:Attention - Young Turks (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43894155)

Americans - remove the beam from your own eyes before you criticize the mote in others.

Re:Attention - Young Turks (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43895551)

Sorry, since illegally becoming a Christian nation sometime in the 50's, as a country we are very selective with regards to which parts of the Bible we acknowledge.

Re:Attention - Young Turks (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43894413)

Turks - don't let your movement fizzle and be subject to intimidation and co-opting by lunatic fringes. That is where America's occupy movement failed.

America's Occupy movement was peddling the same anti-liberty, anti-free market drivel socialists and communists have been peddling for a century. They failed because they simply don't have a cause.

Re:Attention - Young Turks (1)

Builder (103701) | about a year and a half ago | (#43895123)

What, like in Egypt ?

still need a credit card to use free tier (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43893161)

or at least that's what aws website says

Re:still need a credit card to use free tier (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43893259)

Last time I checked Amazon EC2 accepted a prepaid credit card bought for cash from a UK supermarket.

Re:still need a credit card to use free tier (3, Informative)

Giant Electronic Bra (1229876) | about a year and a half ago | (#43893509)

They want a phone number to verify against now. You can use a prepaid card AFAIK still, but that won't help you stay anonymous...

Re:still need a credit card to use free tier (1)

AHuxley (892839) | about a year and a half ago | (#43893791)

Re but that won't help you stay anonymous
All the electronic chatter is a gift for the clandestine services - they get the message (both ends), the time, location, computer ports, OS used - later a voice print, CCTV for facial recognition, some unique hardware ID or helpful software tag/meta if the user is sloppy.

Re:still need a credit card to use free tier (1)

Pubstar (2525396) | about a year and a half ago | (#43893883)

Well here I can get gift cards without I'd if I pay cash, and places like RadioShack have cameras, but they are never recording. Use a voice modulator and a live boot Linux CD, spoof your hardware IDs, and you're set.
Note: I worked at 3 different RadioShacks, and the video was on playback in the office, but it was never recording.

Re:still need a credit card to use free tier (2)

Giant Electronic Bra (1229876) | about a year and a half ago | (#43895313)

No, they CALL the number and verify your information. That means, unless you've figured out a way to get anonymous 'burner' phone in the US that actually works, you'll be associated with the AWS account. Obviously if you're REALLY determined it IS possible to get active phones that aren't linked to you, but it isn't exactly easy and can raise the suspicion of law enforcement itself.

Of course if your goal is to provide proxy/tor services for people overseas none of this matters anyway.

Re:still need a credit card to use free tier (1)

clonehappy (655530) | about a year and a half ago | (#43896377)

No, they CALL the number and verify your information. That means, unless you've figured out a way to get anonymous 'burner' phone in the US that actually works, you'll be associated with the AWS account. Obviously if you're REALLY determined it IS possible to get active phones that aren't linked to you, but it isn't exactly easy and can raise the suspicion of law enforcement itself.

Right, in this case I doubt it would matter. However, obtaining an anonymous "burner" is honestly no harder than walking into a gas station or convenience store that you've never been in before and buying a prepaid with cash.

Re:still need a credit card to use free tier (1)

Giant Electronic Bra (1229876) | about a year and a half ago | (#43896841)

Well, I can't speak for other areas of the US or other countries, but in Vermont you MUST present ID to buy a pre-paid. Dunno if that's a legal requirement or what, but its universal, they record your ID before they will activate the phone. I don't doubt that if you slipped a convenience store clerk a few bills they'd scare you up a phone that wasn't linked to you, and there are plenty of homeless people wandering around with phones, etc you can probably acquire with minimal effort if you REALLY want to. Its just not as simple as paying cash.

Re:still need a credit card to use free tier (1)

clonehappy (655530) | about a year and a half ago | (#43896977)

Interesting, I didn't know that. I knew certain countries overseas had similar requirements, but I didn't know any US states were so restrictive.

I'm a cell phone geek (or junkie if you ask my friends), and I've purchased countless cheap Androids and such just to toy around with at Wal-Mart and other big-box retailers here in the midwest and have never once had to produce ID. Then you can just phone up customer service, which is a free call on the new phone, and activate it before you leave the parking lot.

Re:still need a credit card to use free tier (1)

Giant Electronic Bra (1229876) | about a year and a half ago | (#43897631)

Yeah, I'm far behind in general phone-fu, there may well be fairly simple ways to accomplish that here, it just seems like the convenience store route is not so easy. As I say, I'm far from sure it is legally mandated, VT usually has pretty lax regulations on stuff like that (no gun laws at all basically beyond "don't shoot in the direction of houses or in town!", etc). I guess you could certainly buy a phone at various box stores without a plan, they're happy to take your money. Verizon I KNOW will not activate a smart phone without a data plan though, and for that they require a contract, which means a John Hancock etc. AT&T and Sprint etc exists, and Sprint in particular is pretty lose on plans and contracts, you can definitely activate a phone without a contract and buy data service. The coverage sucks and good luck getting 3G, let alone 4G, but perhaps you can buy minutes without getting IDed. No doubt where there is sufficient will there is a way...

Re:still need a credit card to use free tier (1)

Pubstar (2525396) | about a year and a half ago | (#43897127)

California has no such requirement. They do need to take your name and address, but RadioShack doesn't mind taking down John Doe 1234 Main St

Re:still need a credit card to use free tier (1)

Giant Electronic Bra (1229876) | about a year and a half ago | (#43897995)

Yeah, VT is weird. For instance you can STILL get a driver's license here that is nothing but a flimsy plastic card with no picture and the info printed on it with no lamination. You can alter it with a pencil. OTOH some depts have bizarre and complicated paperwork requirements that defy all common sense. You also cannot buy those prepaid cash cards in VT, although if you buy a 'Greendot' card or something out of state it WILL work, you just can't add money to them...

Re:still need a credit card to use free tier (1)

Pubstar (2525396) | about a year and a half ago | (#43900951)

Speaking of those, we had some guy buy $2000 in greendot cards every week. He also bought a ton of other stuff in the store, so management told me not to ask any questions about him.

Re:still need a credit card to use free tier (1)

Giant Electronic Bra (1229876) | about a year and a half ago | (#43901835)

Nice!

Hacking time (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43893171)

Yay! Free, difficult to trace access for all my cybercrime.

Amazon EC 2 IP reputation gets even worse (4, Insightful)

lordsilence (682367) | about a year and a half ago | (#43893217)

It's a good idea, but it'll also creates a hassle with spammers, bots, scrapers and other malicious users that will use Amazon EC2 to do bad stuff.
The IP reputation of Amazon EC2 was already bad (with many services blocking EC2 pre-emptively) now it's going to get even worse.
 
In the past malicious amazon ec2 users would at least have to put some effort into learning EC2. Now they can just use the TOR layer instead to use amazon IPs.

Re:Amazon EC 2 IP reputation gets even worse (4, Insightful)

Jah-Wren Ryel (80510) | about a year and a half ago | (#43893935)

The IP reputation of Amazon EC2 was already bad (with many services blocking EC2 pre-emptively) now it's going to get even worse.

This VM is a VPN link from one or more users to a TOR bridge. Where the packets hit the un-encrypted internet has nothing to do with where the VM is hosted, it will only be TOR exit nodes. This VM will have minimal impact on the "reputation" of EC2 because TOR's entire purpose is to hide the origin.

Re:Amazon EC 2 IP reputation gets even worse (1)

Arancaytar (966377) | about a year and a half ago | (#43894037)

That's completely impossible unless the bridge were also configured as an exit node. Since the whole point of the exercise is to get INTO the Tor network in a way that cannot be easily blocked, that'd be a stupid setup.

Re:Amazon EC 2 IP reputation gets even worse (4, Interesting)

bloodhawk (813939) | about a year and a half ago | (#43894071)

It's a good idea, but it'll also creates a hassle with spammers, bots, scrapers and other malicious users that will use Amazon EC2 to do bad stuff. The IP reputation of Amazon EC2 was already bad (with many services blocking EC2 pre-emptively) now it's going to get even worse. In the past malicious amazon ec2 users would at least have to put some effort into learning EC2. Now they can just use the TOR layer instead to use amazon IPs.

We have already blocked EC2 addresses from accessing any of public sites where I work due to the sheer volume of bots and site scrapers coming from there. I would not be surprised if many other places around the world are actively doing the same.

RE: Connectivity (5, Informative)

Archon-X (264195) | about a year and a half ago | (#43893355)

Actually, connectivity here is pretty damned great. The movement is a lot, lot bigger than the US-Occupy efforts - and is supported by many companies and businesses.

Yesterday for the rallies / riots, TurkCell had installed several mobile cell-repeaters. Even during the most intense of confrontations with the cops, I had perfect cell, data and voice reception.

Re: Connectivity (1)

Weezul (52464) | about a year and a half ago | (#43894961)

Worse, this sounds *far* less secure than using Tor's official bridge system, which does exactly the same thing.

Amazon might not share your data with Turkey directly. If however Turkey asks the CIA, etc., the CIA, etc. might very well take your data form Amazon using an NSL and send it to Turkey.

If you want a fast insecure VPN that's good enough for most things, then simply VPN through Amazon's EC2 or whatever.

If you want a more secure but slower VPN, then simply use Tor directly. If Tor seems blocked, follow the Tor bridge usage instructions.

Next move: block EC2 IP ranges? (3, Interesting)

manu0601 (2221348) | about a year and a half ago | (#43893359)

What prevents Turk government to block EC2 IP ranges?

Re:Next move: block EC2 IP ranges? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43894147)

The fact that telecoms there are against government.

So can I run Web/IRC off this? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43893401)

Will this help in my situation? My web/irc server has been getting attacked occasionally by a "competitor" who has access to enough of a botnet to DDOS and get my IP blackholed by my provider (linode) for 24 hours. Then they spread disinformation that their IRC is "more stable". Would moving to AWS Mini and/or using TOR help in this situation? Or should I just move to a major IRC provider that allows people to own their own channels and discuss sexual psychology/issues/erotica/etc? Thanks in advance for any advice, especially as my budget is zero beyond what I currently pay.

I suppose (being a smartass here) (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43893415)

That Western-American-Christian freedom is still better Eastern-Old World (Persian-Arabic)-Muslim freedom.

Don't do anything on those Amazon VPNs that will get you noticed in America like downloading Disney flicks from the 1940's my Turkish brothers. Otherwise feel free to use it to rebel against your own societies serving the ends of our Overlords just the same. (Sarcasm)

couparangus (-1, Offtopic)

raju3244 (2701607) | about a year and a half ago | (#43893417)

Oh it is very nice site i like this site very much so you can see this site..... is very educational site and college and university information you can get easily. Please read it. www.couparangus.com.au

Re:couparangus (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43894119)

Dipshit Spammer, really? A .com.au? I think the client should know about the tactics his SEO provider is up to...

Registrar Name MYOB Australia E1 Pty Ltd
Registrant SIDDIQUI, ZAHEER-UD-DIN
Registrant ID ABN 81878833525
Eligibility Type Registered Business
Registrant Contact ID AURC00053675
Registrant Contact Name Zaheer Siddiqui
Registrant Contact Email zaheer3@gmail.com

Coupar Angus Traders (ABN 81878833525) [business.gov.au] Sunbury, Victoria.
Mobile Phone: 0433 217 358 [aussieweb.com.au]

Cloud.TorProject anyone? (4, Informative)

fuzzel (18438) | about a year and a half ago | (#43893457)

Strange, this "article" does not even mention the official Tor Project Cloud effort: https://cloud.torproject.org/ [torproject.org]

Block the whole range (1, Interesting)

Giant Electronic Bra (1229876) | about a year and a half ago | (#43893501)

How long would it be before all of AWS was just blocked at the national firewall level? Its not like these regimes give a crud what else they accidentally block. Most of them would as soon just block the whole thing if they could...

TOR in a single Providers Stack (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43893821)

would be vuln to correlation analysis

High % of Amazon nodes == security weakness? (1)

divec (48748) | about a year and a half ago | (#43894243)

The essence of Tor is that your message passes through multiple nodes (say 3), none of which knows your message's origin and destination (and indeed content). But this breaks down if all the nodes are controlled by the same sysadmin.

Surely if we end up with a high proportion of nodes on Amazon, then some communications will be routed entirely between Amazon nodes. Then this breaks the anonymity model, allowing the secret policeman to log (or subpoena) the user's traffic.

Re:High % of Amazon nodes == security weakness? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43900945)

THIS IS NOT A TOR NODE.

You are spinning up a simple VPN server that you would connect to - the VPN servers other end then connects to TOR.

Traffic -> VPN -> AWS VM WITH VPN + TOR -> TOR NODES -> EXIT NODE -> INTERNET.

If you really need a VPN and know why you do (3, Insightful)

symbolset (646467) | about a year and a half ago | (#43894301)

Then using somebody else's ain't gonna work.

Violates TOS (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43895351)

But hey, it's Tor, so who cares about anyone's desires but your own, right?

Re:Violates TOS (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43896249)

Wait, running a server on amazon's virtual server cloud violates the virtual server TOS? who'da thunk!

VPN Tor (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43898091)

What has always bothered me was how does one know if the VPN or Tor gateway is in the hands of freedom lovers or snoopers?
Only if one sets up a gateway themselves can one know for sure, but that pointing a neon sign to oneself saying "Here's another freedom lover!"
So we need some way of checking on the veracity of a VPN or Tor to ensure that it is not some compromised agent who will snoop and report!
Where do we get REAL freedom?

Censorship vs. Internet: Internet wins every time (1)

Smerta (1855348) | about a year and a half ago | (#43901757)

Anyone remember this quote?

"The Net interprets censorship as damage and routes around it."

Awesome.

my work for the junkies against crime means i need (1)

Wilfred Satan (2932619) | about a year and a half ago | (#43913005)

I need one of these so bad ,to stop the filthy police force interfering in my freedom of electronic speech.
Check for New Comments
Slashdot Login

Need an Account?

Forgot your password?