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Russia Proposes Banning Foul Language On the Internet

timothy posted about 9 months ago | from the nsa-and-uk-have-ruined-all-soviet-union-jokes dept.

Censorship 239

eldavojohn writes "In a country where it's illegal to insult a government official, State Duma Deputy Yelena Mizulina has proposed an amendment to ban swearing on social networks, bulletin boards and all websites. The website would be blocked if the offending material had not been removed within 24 hours. The name of the law this would be added to? "On the protection of children from information harmful to their health and development." Mizulina's title in regards to this legislation? Chairwoman of the Committee on Family, Women and Children (No joke!). Of course, Yelena Mizulina is no stranger to unwarranted censorship as she was behind the law banning gay propaganda to minors and invoked laws to try to silence critics on twitter. The article also notes, 'United Russia deputy Vitaly Milonov put forward a similar initiative on 25 July. He proposed to tighten control over social networks and allow people to dating sites through their passports.'"

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Obligartory (5, Funny)

ifranto (851514) | about 9 months ago | (#44422771)

In Soviet Russia, foul language bans you!

Re:Obligartory (-1)

superwiz (655733) | about 9 months ago | (#44422895)

In Soviet Russia, foul language bans you!

Soviet Russia hasn't existed for 22 years now. Post-Soviet Russia is legal and can buy liquor now. It's Soviet America, in case you still haven't heard.

Dear Russia, (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#44422775)

Go F**k Yourself. And, after that, Go s**k your own d**k. Idiots. Is this enough to be arrested there? Just wondering... ..|..

Re:Dear Russia, (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#44422867)

Be careful before joking on the Internet. In the US that is enough to send you to jail.

Re:Dear Russia, (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#44422907)

I don't live on the Land of "Freedom", I can curse as much I f*cking want here :)

Re:Dear Russia, (5, Funny)

lxs (131946) | about 9 months ago | (#44423327)

Anonymous Cowards proclaiming their freedom to swear and not even daring to spell out "fuck" properly. Cunts.

Re:Dear Russia, (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#44423567)

Anonymous Cowards proclaiming their freedom to swear and not even daring to spell out "fuck" properly. Cunts.

But that's how they spell it in their country. D*mned arrogant *mericans! Don't even have the letter "*" in their alphabet!

Re:Dear Russia, (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#44423009)

Be careful before joking on the Internet. In the US that is enough to send you to jail.

And you ass clowns want to take control of TLD's away from ICANN and give it to the UN, who would place it under control of the Security Council.
Which is the US, France, China, Russia, and the UK. How THAT is supposed to avoid rampant censorship of the internet is beyond me.

Re:Dear Russia, (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#44423073)

Better with the UN than with the U$A...

Re:Dear Russia, (1)

CanHasDIY (1672858) | about 9 months ago | (#44423247)

Better with the UN than with the U$A...

That's like saying it's better to leave your kids in the care of Albert Fish [wikipedia.org] than John Gacy. [wikipedia.org]

Re:Dear Russia, (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#44423771)

Better with the UN than with the U$A...

That's like saying it's better to leave your kids in the care of Albert Fish [wikipedia.org] than John Gacy. [wikipedia.org]

Well, Michael Jackson is dead now.

Re:Dear Russia, (1)

epyT-R (613989) | about 9 months ago | (#44423563)

Nope, unless you want freedom loving organizations like the islamic controlled 'human rights commission' to have say in running things.. While rampant socialist (and, yes, that includes the corporate sponsored variety) censorship and 'political correctness' are squeezing through the cracks and politician-punched holes in the US constitution, the other major powers represented by the UN are decidedly NOT in favor of things like free speech or calling out the emperor's stupidity for what it is. America is getting pretty bad, I agree, but this problem is way worse elsewhere.

Re:Dear Russia, (1)

Thor Ablestar (321949) | about 9 months ago | (#44423607)

And you ass clowns want to take control of TLD's away from ICANN

I personally don't care. There are 2 kinds of Internet activity. First one uses some domain names given by authorities according to specific rules and revoked or banned by censors. The second one uses cryptographic hashes as addresses and cannot be banned.

And the faster the censors kill the DNS the sooner the uncensorable Internet will appear.

Re:Dear Russia, (5, Insightful)

BrokenHalo (565198) | about 9 months ago | (#44422941)

Go F**k Yourself. And, after that, Go s**k your own d**k

I think you might need to get some of the crap out of your keyboard. Your "U", "I" and "C" keys seem to be outputting asterisks for some reason.

Re:Dear Russia, (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#44423037)

That's just because his password contains u, c, and i.

Re:Dear Russia, (1)

CanHasDIY (1672858) | about 9 months ago | (#44423313)

Go F**k Yourself. And, after that, Go s**k your own d**k

I think you might need to get some of the crap out of your keyboard. Your "U", "I" and "C" keys seem to be outputting asterisks for some reason.

[Insert Slashdot/UTF-8 support joke here]

Re:Dear Russia, (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#44423523)

Go F**k Yourself. And, after that, Go s**k your own d**k

I think you might need to get some of the crap out of your keyboard. Your "U", "I" and "C" keys seem to be outputting asterisks for some reason.

[Insert Slashdot/UTF-8 support joke here]

On Slashdot, Russian profanity looks like this . [slashdot.org].

I guess it's already banned, or at least an illegal character set.

Re:Dear Russia, (1)

cold fjord (826450) | about 9 months ago | (#44423751)

Go F**k Yourself. And, after that, Go s**k your own d**k

I think you might need to get some of the crap out of your keyboard. Your "U", "I" and "C" keys seem to be outputting asterisks for some reason.

That's not garbage in the keyboard, it's backed up garbage between the ears. It probably has a tendency to leak out of the mouth too.

Re:Dear Russia, (1)

nospam007 (722110) | about 9 months ago | (#44423213)

"Go F**k Yourself."

You mean " "?

Re:Dear Russia, (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#44423527)

Well, you fill in the blanks and it says something about your personality. I code a lot so what popped in my head was
"Go fork yourself. And, after that, go seek your own disks."

I suppose that someone who does food processing might see "go soak your own ducks" and so on.

Bye bye (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#44422787)

fucking Slashdot.

Re:Bye bye (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#44423587)

Don't let the door hit you on the ass on your way out. BTW, Fuck Russia!

The Future (1)

hey (83763) | about 9 months ago | (#44422795)

I can see the future of the internet. There will always be somebody in authority wanting to ban something.

Re:The Future (1)

nine-times (778537) | about 9 months ago | (#44422861)

... and claiming that they want to ban it in order to protect children. Because then it puts any opponents to the ban in the position of seeming to say, "I don't want to protect children."

And I think what you'll find is that, in each case, the proposed ban is just a way to get a foot in the door, so that they can build more invasive systems for monitoring and filtering what we access in general.

Re:The Future (1)

PolygamousRanchKid (1290638) | about 9 months ago | (#44422939)

Because then it puts any opponents to the ban in the position of seeming to say, "I don't want to protect children."

Well, I'd just answer, "Why don't you protect your own children, instead of outsourcing your parental responsibilities to the rest of society?"

"Charity begins in the home."

Re:The Future (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#44423315)

I saw an article in the local paper about how parents want to install a monitor with the local ISP to track and filter their children's internet activities.

WHERE IN THE FUCK ARE THE PARENTS???

You don't want little Johnny on the internet at 3 am? Monitor your fucking children, and stop pushing your failures onto the rest of us. What it almost always boils down to in that situation is that parents don't want to be the bad guy, they want to be their kids' friends.

Re:The Future (1)

Dins (2538550) | about 9 months ago | (#44423455)

I am my 15 year old son's friend. We share common interests (computers, video games, technology, etc.) and so we get along great. But his computer is in the basement right next to mine and it's going to be that way until he moves out. It has worked well, and while I did have parental control software on it when he was younger, I removed all of it and gave him admin access a couple years ago. Raise them right, give them some freedom, but supervise, and it all works out. Can he access porn when I'm not around? Sure. But at 15 1/2 I'm not too worried about it.

Re:The Future (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#44423695)

Ironic that underage/young adults are the ones that are more likely to use foul languages.
Some of us in the older generations can do a lot more personal insults without resorting to foul languages.

Re:The Future (2)

Capt James McCarthy (860294) | about 9 months ago | (#44422963)

I can see the future of the internet. There will always be somebody in authority wanting to ban something.

It will also be nothing but teletubbies. Plus, you get an award for logging in.

My response: (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#44422801)

Fuck off, Russia.

In the immortal words of Frost... (1)

RogueWarrior65 (678876) | about 9 months ago | (#44422819)

"Well what the hell are we supposed to use? Harsh language?" ...aww crap....dang....errrm....!@#$%^&*(

In the immortal words of George Carlin (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#44423365)

Shit, Piss, Fuck, Cunt, Cocksucker, Motherfucker, and Tits...

And Tits doesn't even belong on the list, you know.

Right... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#44422823)

Good fucking luck.

Fuck you, Russia. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#44422835)

Nothing more need be said.

I always thought... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#44422849)

I always thought French was a foul language... Is Russia planning to ban French?

NOTE: to those who miss the subtlety... I'm trying to point out the absurdity of trying to ban anything from the internet... Especially, if it is being banned for reasons of being offensive...

Re:I always thought... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#44422957)

The French tried to ban foul language on the Internet, but then they gave up right away.

Re:I always thought... (1)

BrokenHalo (565198) | about 9 months ago | (#44422971)

I always thought French was a foul language... Is Russia planning to ban French?

French isn't a foul language, it's just that speaking it makes my nose bleed. ;)

It Can't Work (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#44422863)

Various things stated in one language may mean something different in a different language. For example, I once read that the phrase "black hole" --a well-accepted thing in Science-- qualifies as "foul language" in Russia.

Re:It Can't Work (1)

NoNonAlphaCharsHere (2201864) | about 9 months ago | (#44423061)

I once listened to a series of lectures about string theory, and one of the Japanese lecturers kept referring to "brack hos".

Re:It Can't Work (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#44423429)

Was he referring to Obama's mistresses?

Good Job Russia! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#44422881)

Good! I'm fucking sick and goddamn tired of all of these sons of bitches who have to use that profane language shit on the fucking internet. I'm fucking glad that those Russian bastards are going to do something about those cock sucking motherfuckers!

That's the BBC too then (1)

Skiron (735617) | about 9 months ago | (#44422883)

Fuck [bbc.co.uk] Why the capital 'F' I do not know.

Re:That's the BBC too then (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#44423363)

Because it's a quote, and on BBC News quotes are actual quotes.

In defense of the cursers (1)

TWiTfan (2887093) | about 9 months ago | (#44422889)

They DO live in Russia, after all. Come to think of it, that probably explains the drinking too.

Well, nice knowing them (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#44422903)

And suddenly the number of Russian speakers in Google Analytics drop to zero, as every American social media site is blocked. The Russians better figure out another way of posting to YouTube, as some of there stuff is hilarious.

Re:Well, nice knowing them (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#44423703)

It'd be a shame not to have Youtube posts from Russia. The videos of last winter's Siberian meteor were particularly informative. I never knew that "yebat" was Russian for "meteor".

Start with Dota in game voice chat (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#44422923)

Put some voice recognition on there scanning for russian cursing.

It would have the same fate as Professor Frink's sarcasm detector.

Wow (1)

superwiz (655733) | about 9 months ago | (#44422933)

Are they planning to make the Internet the only place in Russia that's free of cursing? Cursing is more endemic to Russia than drinking.

This will work! (1)

dingonix (997394) | about 9 months ago | (#44422967)

This will definitely work. They won't even need to resort to a filter. I'm sure that all of the teenagers, who are just learning to swear, will see the newly published rules and follow the rules. The culture of the internet will accept such a proposal, much in the same way that we have chosen to always post well reasoned, researched contributions.

No Joke? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#44422975)

In a parallel analisys fo the topic:

What is wrong with "Committee on Family, Women and Children"?. I am a man and I did not understand what is wrong.
Children, women and family (and men too and elders) are what is important in the world. A Committe of humankind.

Looks like a committee of Money, Weathy Slavery and Exploration would be a more serious committee for the author.

I think it is time that we need a more human approach in the politics.

Re:No Joke? (1)

Svenia (3001819) | about 9 months ago | (#44423041)

I've never understood how things like this weren't sexist as well. Are the elderly not family? Are husbands not family? At my school we had (past tense) an organization called "the women's center" that would help women find financial aid and loan out books free of charge. I'm not opposed to feminism or women's rights, but isn't that just as sexist? Like black history month and affirmative action are racist?

Maybe I'm just ignorant, I'm sure if that's the case someone here will be more than happy to inform me.

Re:No Joke? (1)

pla (258480) | about 9 months ago | (#44423571)

I'm not opposed to feminism or women's rights, but isn't that just as sexist? Like black history month and affirmative action are racist?

Any serious answer to that will involve the word "privilege". The person writing it will use that word in a way that doesn't match any definition you have ever heard used before. As they explain their use, your blood pressure will steadily increase until your eyes start bulging and you start screaming at the monitor at the almost inconceivable suppression of rational thought it must take someone to memorize such a large volume of internally inconsistent drivel.

Re:No Joke? (1)

sageres (561626) | about 9 months ago | (#44423407)

"Committee on Family, Women and Children" was a standard Soviet pressure-tool for dissimination of propaganda and criticism of NATO nations at any convenience. See also "Committee of Peace".

I Swear (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#44423069)

Russia is the only country who gets things right anymore.

HaveSexWith that HumanWaste! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#44423095)

Or DoublePlusUngood, as George Orwell's characters would say.

Dear Putin, (0)

RyuuzakiTetsuya (195424) | about 9 months ago | (#44423119)

мÑfÐÐÌÐ!

Ð--ÐÑÐнÐÑÑOE, ÐÐРнРÑ...ÑfÐ!

Re:Dear Putin, (1)

RyuuzakiTetsuya (195424) | about 9 months ago | (#44423143)

how cute, slashdot doesn't support UTF-8 in 2013. :(

either that OR PUTIN HAS GOTTEN TO THEM

Re:Dear Putin, (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#44423307)

The NSA proxy doesn't support Russian yet. They are working to fix this and plan to add a regression test.

Re:Dear Putin, (1)

sageres (561626) | about 9 months ago | (#44423431)

LMAO I would think RUSSIAN would be the very first language the proxy would support... if not written in.

Re:Dear Putin, (1)

sageres (561626) | about 9 months ago | (#44423329)

I even tried KOI-8R -- it does not work.

I think it is because you can get so many "interesting" symbols from a standard unicode table to represent almost anything, but than again -- Slashdot was never censored.

Re:Dear Putin, (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#44423449)

how cute, slashdot doesn't support UTF-8 in 2013. :(

either that OR PUTIN HAS GOTTEN TO THEM

"Never attribute to malice, that which can be reasonably explained by stupidity."

We russians don't curse - (3, Informative)

Thor Ablestar (321949) | about 9 months ago | (#44423131)

- we just use bad words as ordinary speech (My russkie matom ne rugaemsya - my matom razgovarivaem).

And all this curse-banning circus has the only purpose that isn't exposed: To promote Internet filters that will be (and are) used for any purpose THEY like. No wonder that I2P NetDB contains more Russian nodes than any other country's.

Re:We russians don't curse - (1)

sageres (561626) | about 9 months ago | (#44423275)

I agree. To prohibit such speech, they have to implement Censorship. it is an excuse to take away even more liberty.
(Po russki is more eloquant (sorry Slashdot won't allow cyrillics) -- Etot nakaz ne ot blyat' s Dubi a ot sutenyerov s Kremlya.

Dear Russia, (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#44423149)

Ебать тебя, ёбаная Россея.

Well (1)

no-body (127863) | about 9 months ago | (#44423215)

People/humans interpreting sound as "foul" are foul in their brain structure and need to clean up their neural wiring. Similar all that religious junk going around and what else have you.

Re:Well (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#44423415)

People interpreting ink stains on a dried out mess of wood pulp as "First Amendment rights" are equally insane, I suppose ...

Obligatory... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#44423253)

Coming soon to the UK.

while this particular instance is funny.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#44423285)

the trend is not

everywhere you see "authority figures" attempting to censor, control, spy on, ban, and criminalize the modern means of free, anonymous communication

The reason is that anonymity is the only real defense the powerless have against the powerful.

What "we the people" or "the 99%" or however you want to call those who aren't oligarchs or wannabe oligarchs need is a decentralized communications medium outside the control of any corporation or government.

Once the technology is accessible to the non-geeks the oligarchs will have the choice, give up any pretense of legitimacy and go full North Korea or live with the fact that an accessible means of communication is outside of their control.

freenet and tor are starts but they are tied to the existing oligarchy controlled infrastructure, we need peer-to-peer mesh networks that are so ubiquitous that there isn't any way to realistically shut them down

And this is.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#44423287)

exactly why the U.S will never hand over control of the Internet to anyone else.

They can spoony right off (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#44423293)

I wish people would understand that if you ban one curse word, people will just use another.

Alternatives? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#44423333)

If it's just the foul words, then work around them.

  * Consume feces and expire!
  * Perform coitus upon yourself!
  * You present-day Oedipus!

You don't say! (1)

Impy the Impiuos Imp (442658) | about 9 months ago | (#44423343)

> In a country where it's illegal to insult a government official,
> scum-sucking, pimple-biting, turd-chugging, goat-humping, measel-loaded festering fistula of a human State Duma
> Deputy Yelena Mizulina has proposed an amendment to ban swearing on social networks, bulletin boards and all websites.

FTFY

State duma != Russia (4, Insightful)

anne on E. mouse cow (867445) | about 9 months ago | (#44423403)

News sites should quit doing this, Russia is a land mass and can not ban anything, the asshats in the State Duma otoh might come up with crap like this.

'USA thinks it should invade North Korea'

See how that works, propagandist news style that is 99% lie.

Lame Excuse to censor (2)

sl4shd0rk (755837) | about 9 months ago | (#44423435)

"The website would be blocked if the offending material had not been removed within 24 hours. "

Snowden better get his shit straight soon. He's not going to be able to reach anything but fuzzy kitten websites within a couple weeks and even then... one bad translation of "Pussy" and there goes lolcats.

Illegal to insult a government official? (1)

Bearhouse (1034238) | about 9 months ago | (#44423497)

Lame attempt to spice up the intro.
It's the same in many countries, including many democracies such as France, India...

Regardless of your constitutional rights, I suggest it's also a very bad idea in the US of A.

That said, I have travelled and worked a lot in the USA and Russia, plus other more 'exotic' spots such as the Middle East, (including Israel), North Africa, Central and South America....
Never had any problem with the police or other officials, at all...
(Indeed, one time in the USA, the officer who stopped me for doing an illegal u turn coming out of a "gentleman's bar" was kind enough to escort me to the hotel, since I did not know the way and my colleagues were totally hammered...)

Be polite. It works.

How? (2)

lvxferre (2470098) | about 9 months ago | (#44423503)

So, let's pretend for a moment that banning foul language isn't completely ridiculous, but a worthy goal from Russian government. There's still a practical problem... how?

First of all, the censorsh... (oops, "child protection") department will need to monitor consistently all sites in the Russosphere, and maybe some in the Anglosphere. Some of those won't reside in Russian Federation, and RF's gov asking the responsible countries' govs for info about the criminal swearing scum will at least result in a "lolshto" (lol, what?) from the other govs.

Second, does Mizulina really think this is feasible? How? Censors? Well, good luck, they would need all Russian tech-savvy population for that... (exactly the ones they want to control).

Filters? Hell, it's hard to make those for Latin-based languages, but almost impossible for Cyrillic-based ones! Let's say you ban a swear word in Russian (I would use examples, but /. filters all Cyrillic letters). They would need to filter the word itself, anny misspell (intentional or not), different transliterations to Latin, Volapük encoding (a leetspeak-like transliteration using Latin letters that resemble Cyrillic ones), plus, any tactics the internet use regardless of language to avoid filters (like writing pr0n, FML, phuck...).

To show the infeasibility of that, I used a three-letters swearing, khuj ("dick") as example. Just on top of my mind, I got twelve variations - you can bet any Russian native can bring a dozen more. (Here: http://pastebin.com/bcH2bg2S [pastebin.com] ).

Third and last: if they do manage to make a comprehensible list of swear words with all the variations, just imagine the amount of false positives on an international scale - like Russian gov annoying Brazilian one because someone wrote "curva" in a fucking blog! (just "curve" in Portuguese, but an acceptable transliteration for kurva ["whore"] in Russian).

Frankly... I'm not worried with this censorship being implemented at all, but rather, the intentions behind it.

Foul language, sex and violence - the new DRM! (2)

itsdapead (734413) | about 9 months ago | (#44423529)

All this internet censorship of foul language, gratuitous sex and graphic violence (possibly all at the same time) is really just HBO's latest scheme to stop people torrenting Game of Thrones...

Committee name says it all (1)

egamma (572162) | about 9 months ago | (#44423601)

Committee name includes family, women, and children. Perhaps if their families included men the children wouldn't need the government to protect them.

Language is not constant (4, Interesting)

Rakishi (759894) | about 9 months ago | (#44423649)

If you ban all curse words then people will simply invent new curse words and, most likely, words that you can't ban. Or words that if they ban them have hilarious side effects. Like, say, Putin.

Go putin yourself. You're such a putin. Your mother is such a putin.

This women (1)

jonfr (888673) | about 9 months ago | (#44423669)

This women can go and fuck herself. This is a excellent example what is happening in Russia, as this is nothing but censorship China style. Democracy is dead in Russia today, thanks to Putin and his evil minions.

This is what we have to look forward to in the UK (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#44423733)

Britain, here we F78king come...

Violence (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#44423763)

Violence it the true obsenity.

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