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Feds Confiscate Investigative Reporter's Confidential Files During Raid

Soulskill posted 1 year,6 days | from the freedom-of-the-press-void-where-prohibited dept.

Government 622

schwit1 writes "Using a warrant to search for guns, Homeland security officers and Maryland police confiscated a journalist's confidential files. The reporter had written a series of articles critical of the TSA. It appears that the raid was specifically designed to get her files, which contain identifying information about her sources in the TSA. 'In particular, the files included notes that were used to expose how the Federal Air Marshal Service had lied to Congress about the number of airline flights there were actually protecting against another terrorist attack,' Hudson [the reporter] wrote in a summary about the raid provided to The Daily Caller. Recalling the experience during an interview this week, Hudson said: 'When they called and told me about it, I just about had a heart attack.' She said she asked Bosch [the investigator heading the raid] why they took the files. He responded that they needed to run them by TSA to make sure it was 'legitimate' for her to have them. '"Legitimate" for me to have my own notes?' she said incredulously on Wednesday. Asked how many sources she thinks may have been exposed, Hudson said: 'A lot. More than one. There were a lot of names in those files. This guy basically came in here and took my anonymous sources and turned them over — took my whistleblowers — and turned it over to the agency they were blowing the whistle on,' Hudson said. 'And these guys still work there.'"

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I donâ(TM)t suppose... (5, Insightful)

Frosty Piss (770223) | 1 year,6 days | (#45239841)

I donâ(TM)t suppose this critical file of confidential sources and interview information was encrypted?

Re:I donâ(TM)t suppose... (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,6 days | (#45239931)

It's okay, I donâ(TM)t either.

Re:I donâ(TM)t suppose... (2, Insightful)

MysteriousPreacher (702266) | 1 year,6 days | (#45239951)

Doesn't seem that way.

I mean, seriously? What kind of journalist, investigating malfeasance by federal agencies, would have the names of her sources in plain text? Sounds like someone on the local newspaper who would ordinarily be writing the horoscopes and gardening news.

Re:I donâ(TM)t suppose... (5, Insightful)

CanHasDIY (1672858) | 1 year,6 days | (#45239983)

Doesn't seem that way.

I mean, seriously? What kind of journalist, investigating malfeasance by federal agencies, would have the names of her sources in plain text?

The kind who isn't a computer expert.

I know it's hard to do considering the crowd here, but try and keep in mind - most people, journalists included, barely even know what encryption is, let alone how to use it properly.

Regardless, her Constitutional rights should have negated any need for encrypting her work. That is what we should take away from this.

Re:I donâ(TM)t suppose... (5, Insightful)

ColdWetDog (752185) | 1 year,6 days | (#45240149)

I sure hope to hell that they are teaching the basics of encryption in journalism classes these days....

Re:I donâ(TM)t suppose... (1)

CanHasDIY (1672858) | 1 year,6 days | (#45240221)

I sure hope to hell that they are teaching the basics of encryption in journalism classes these days....

Really, it should be a required course for damn near any degree program, considering.

PS love the new sig, depressing as it may be.

Re:I donâ(TM)t suppose... (3, Insightful)

spire3661 (1038968) | 1 year,6 days | (#45240217)

Its an increasingly relevant part of their job NOW, TODAY. If you are a journalist investigating sensitive stuff, and you dont know how to encrypt, you are an utter failure and should find a new line of work.

Re:I donâ(TM)t suppose... (2)

CanHasDIY (1672858) | 1 year,6 days | (#45240291)

I do not disagree in the least.

However, as has been pointed out by others, it's kinda hard to encrypt notes written on good ol' fashioned paper.

So, learn encryption, and buy a good safe.

Re:I donâ(TM)t suppose... (1)

MysteriousPreacher (702266) | 1 year,6 days | (#45240269)

Encryption per se doesn't even need to come in to this. Just don't have the real names visible on the documents. Come up with nicknames and never use the real names.

If needing to reference the real names, she could keep a list somewhere nicely hidden. Not ideal, in fact pretty flimsy, but better than having a big 'ol stack of documents containing informant names sitting right on her home office desk.

Re:I donâ(TM)t suppose... (5, Insightful)

CanHasDIY (1672858) | 1 year,6 days | (#45240323)

Encryption per se doesn't even need to come in to this. Just don't have the real names visible on the documents. Come up with nicknames and never use the real names.

That's what really struck me about this: She knew she was investigating something that certain, powerful people in government would not like her to investigate, yet didn't even have the good sense to use aliases for her sources?

Not that it excuses the government for flagrantly violating her rights, but shit, man, you don't have to make it easy for them!

Re:I donâ(TM)t suppose... (1)

wisnoskij (1206448) | 1 year,6 days | (#45240301)

I know of no rights that prevent a warranted search and seizure.

Re:I donâ(TM)t suppose... (5, Insightful)

Nerdfest (867930) | 1 year,6 days | (#45240011)

The kind that isn't aware that she lives in a police state. You can continue to delude yourselves if you like, but it's pretty clear at this point that that's what the US has become. It's no longer a matter of 'if this continues'; it's here.

Re:I donâ(TM)t suppose... (3, Insightful)

Ralph Wiggam (22354) | 1 year,6 days | (#45240129)

This sucks. And I'm interested to see the follow up on it. But if you think the US is a police state, then you don't know what a police state is.

This reporter was writing articles exposing government misconduct, and she's a free woman who is publicizing her story on the internet. That doesn't happen in a police state.

Re:I donâ(TM)t suppose... (5, Insightful)

fche (36607) | 1 year,6 days | (#45240215)

If one can expect a SWAT raid for exercising one's freedoms, the exact details of the oppression are insignificant.

Re:I donâ(TM)t suppose... (5, Insightful)

Nerdfest (867930) | 1 year,6 days | (#45240225)

You may want to look up "Free speech zones", "Constitution free zones", and VIPR Teams. You may want to read up on what the NSA is doing. I've got a pretty good idea of what a police state is. If you get the equivalent of "papers please" when driving through your own country, you're pretty much there and raiding journalists puts it over the top. You may think that she needs to be thrown in jail for that to be the case, but the chilling effect on both journalists and whistleblowers will be served just fine by the raid alone.

Re:I donâ(TM)t suppose... (1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,6 days | (#45240261)

The kind that isn't aware that she lives in a police state.

A journalist making a living by exposing the excesses and lies of the TSA is unaware we're living in a police state? Methinks that's not the answer.

WTF? (4, Insightful)

s.petry (762400) | 1 year,6 days | (#45240051)

I mean, seriously? What kind of journalist, investigating malfeasance by federal agencies, would have the names of her sources in plain text? Sounds like someone on the local newspaper who would ordinarily be writing the horoscopes and gardening news.

Wait a minute! You are implying it's the Journalists fault and not the Government's fault who illegally confiscated her materials? Either that or you are diverting the argument from the Government Employees breaking the law.

You should be ranting and raving to get Government Employees people fired and put in jail for breaking the law, not complaining about the journalists.

Are you happy that your tax dollars were just spent in illegal activities? Just not care as long as it's not you getting fucked?

Re:WTF? (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,6 days | (#45240077)

Or maybe he's just looking at reality. This shouldn't happen, but it does; use encryption.

Re:WTF? (1)

MysteriousPreacher (702266) | 1 year,6 days | (#45240211)

Okay, Poe's law and all that. I read a lot of colossally dumb stuff, and I struggle to separate the dumb stuff from fine comedy.

Are you serious?

Re:WTF? (1)

idontgno (624372) | 1 year,6 days | (#45240245)

Okay, Poe's law and all that. I write a lot of colossally dumb stuff, and I struggle to separate the dumb stuff from fine comedy.

FTFY.

Re:WTF? (1)

MysteriousPreacher (702266) | 1 year,6 days | (#45240309)

I see what you did thar.

Re:I donâ(TM)t suppose... (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,6 days | (#45240121)

You are blaming the victim here.

Re:I donâ(TM)t suppose... (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,6 days | (#45240127)

Blame Microsoft, blame Apple, blame IBM, blame academia, blame developers. We failed the citizens (and by extension this reporter) in not making encryption a default user-friendly standard.

Re:I donâ(TM)t suppose... (1)

roc97007 (608802) | 1 year,6 days | (#45240143)

> I mean, seriously? What kind of journalist, investigating malfeasance by federal agencies, would have the names of her sources in plain text?

Or, even at her residence at all. I don't think she was thinking this through. It's the TSA for god's sake!

Now, the cool way to do it would be to have a set of bogus contacts in the clear at the residence, with the real list heavily encrypted and sitting on a server in Peru.

Re:I donâ(TM)t suppose... (1)

nytes (231372) | 1 year,6 days | (#45240103)

I can never remember to run the encryption software on my dead tree files, either.

But it looks like investigative journalism of government activities in this country is pretty much dead. It was a good run of 200+ years, but now it's over.

Re:I donâ(TM)t suppose... (1)

JoeSchmoe999 (782579) | 1 year,6 days | (#45240107)

I don't suppose that you noted that the files in question were (believe it or not) on dead plants. Every tried encrypting dead plants?

USA (5, Funny)

Jmc23 (2353706) | 1 year,6 days | (#45239843)

Leader of the free world!!!

All Hail Glorious Leader Obummer! (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,6 days | (#45239865)

Enjoy Obummer's America you fucking retarded liberals.

All praise to the Glorious Leader!

Re:All Hail Glorious Leader Obummer! (1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,6 days | (#45239959)

You are so retarded! This has nothing to do with a specific president. The whole country is a fucked up fascist state. Get out while you can.

Re:All Hail Glorious Leader Obummer! (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,6 days | (#45240139)

yea because things like this didn't happen under any other president in recent memory right?

Re: All Hail Glorious Leader Obummer! (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,6 days | (#45240239)

The difference is in prior presidencies, the people doing this crap were fired, or arrested all the way up to the president resigning. Meanwhile, this joker keeps blaming everyone else and playing his golf.

Re: All Hail Glorious Leader Obummer! (3, Insightful)

paiute (550198) | 1 year,6 days | (#45240275)

The difference is in prior presidencies, the people doing this crap were fired, or arrested all the way up to the president resigning. Meanwhile, this joker keeps blaming everyone else and playing his golf.

Seriously? Did you just beam in?

Re:All Hail Glorious Leader Obummer! (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,6 days | (#45240243)

>>>/pol/

Constitution free zone (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,6 days | (#45239847)

'"Legitimate" for me to have my own notes?' she said incredulously on Wednesday.

Depends, how large are these constitution free border zones again?

Re:Constitution free zone (2)

Desler (1608317) | 1 year,6 days | (#45239883)

This is just the natural evolution of the "free speech zone".

Re:Constitution free zone (4, Insightful)

gandhi_2 (1108023) | 1 year,6 days | (#45240041)

The irony of getting a warrant to raid a jornalist for "guns".....

But hey, a judge signed it... so it must be legit.

Re:Constitution free zone (-1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,6 days | (#45240331)

A single failing in the warrant process and you're ready to throw it out?

Re:Constitution free zone (2)

MysteriousPreacher (702266) | 1 year,6 days | (#45239921)

Wherever the DHS claims terrorists may lurk, which is fucking everywhere.

Proletarier aller LÃnder, vereinigt Euch!

I smell a lawsuit here (5, Insightful)

themushroom (197365) | 1 year,6 days | (#45239855)

A raid to steal a reporter's notes (verses a Watergate sneak-theft)? That crosses the line into jackboot thuggery.

Re:I smell a lawsuit here (2)

timeOday (582209) | 1 year,6 days | (#45239939)

A "pre-dawn" raid even. WTF? They're going for style points?

Re:I smell a lawsuit here (5, Insightful)

dlt074 (548126) | 1 year,6 days | (#45240057)

no, that's just when you do raids. your target is more likely to be asleep or very tired waiting up for you all night. simple military tactics. welcome to the police state and a Constitution free US of A.

Re:I smell a lawsuit here (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,6 days | (#45239969)

How can a warrant to search for guns be turned into let me take these files too? Have we lost all control over law enforcement that they can now do anything that they want?

and it begs the question (4, Insightful)

themushroom (197365) | 1 year,6 days | (#45240003)

What imaginary guns were they looking for? Where'd the intell saying there were imaginary guns come from?

Re:I smell a lawsuit here (1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,6 days | (#45240163)

Have we lost all control over government that they can now do anything that they want?
 
FTFY. And, btw, the answer is yes.

Re:I smell a lawsuit here (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,6 days | (#45240263)

I was afraid that someone was going to answer with that.

Re:I smell a lawsuit here (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,6 days | (#45239977)

It's "versus", and lawsuits don't help if the information's out already. Damage done, horse bolted, and so on.

Re: I smell a lawsuit here (1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,6 days | (#45240071)

The damage is done. They are already lining up the whistleblowers to give out random felonies. Then all that a judge will do is to let them laugh while handing the material back. Nothing short of jailing the mastermind and firing the officers will do justice to this situation.

Re:I smell a lawsuit here (2)

intermodal (534361) | 1 year,6 days | (#45240081)

That ship sailed years ago. It's just now becoming common knowledge.

If you want a picture of the future, (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,6 days | (#45239857)

imagine a boot stamping on a human face, forever.

Re:If you want a picture of the future, (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,6 days | (#45239973)

MOD PARENT UP

Incompetence abounds! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,6 days | (#45239867)

Solution 1: have backups, you dumb shit.
Solution 2: hide your stuff.
Solution 3: don't get raided.

Re:Incompetence abounds! (5, Insightful)

harvestsun (2948641) | 1 year,6 days | (#45239957)

1. The issue is not that she lost her information, it's that her confidential anonymous sources have now been potentially revealed to the agency they were blowing the whistle on.
2. Where can you hide your stuff that law enforcement cannot find it if they try hard enough?
3. The government can find any excuse to raid you if they want (in this case, because in 1986 her husband was found guilty of resisting arrest). And once they do find an excuse, what can you do when an elite, armored team shows up at your doorstep?

There is nothing you as an individual can do to retaliate against this, other than speaking out (as she is doing). If you really want to prevent this from happening, choose to live somewhere else, or just be a nice little citizen and never try to rock the boat.

Media (5, Insightful)

thestudio_bob (894258) | 1 year,6 days | (#45239877)

Our government began abusing other countries and the media ignored it.
Our government began abusing it's citizens and the media ignored it.
Our government began abusing the media...

Re:Media (1)

Sintar (826545) | 1 year,6 days | (#45240069)

Seems as if media is the only thing keeping our country from becoming a hypocrisy and a police state. Seriously what's next, the president going to decide to kill all the Mexicans death march style. This is bullshhh and Seems like that's where were headed. This corruption and deceit has got to stop. Were all here together get over your differences and get the f*%$ along already.

Whistleblower Protection (5, Interesting)

imnes (605429) | 1 year,6 days | (#45239891)

I guess we'll get to see if the whistleblower protection program actually works.

http://www.whistleblowers.gov/ [whistleblowers.gov]

Re:Whistleblower Protection (4, Insightful)

jayhawk88 (160512) | 1 year,6 days | (#45239929)

Spoiler Alert: It won't.

Re:Whistleblower Protection (1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,6 days | (#45239979)

Don't be silly. Since we the citizens have already been designated as "the enemy", this is a classic case of espionage.
Definitely a death penalty case for the traitors involved.

Re:Whistleblower Protection (4, Funny)

mosb1000 (710161) | 1 year,6 days | (#45240115)

Don't be ridiculous, US laws don't protect enemy combatants.

Re:Whistleblower Protection (3, Informative)

idontgno (624372) | 1 year,6 days | (#45240283)

Also, the government is not subject to any law it finds inconvenient, limiting, or uncomfortable. Or any damn law it feels like ignoring.

Re:Whistleblower Protection (1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,6 days | (#45240133)

I think Russia has a better program.

Re:Whistleblower Protection (1)

msauve (701917) | 1 year,6 days | (#45240173)

I'm not clicking that, so I have a question. Is that the site you go to in order to register with the government as a whistleblower?</sarcasm>

information security, dear (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,6 days | (#45239895)

This looks to be well outside of the intent of the law, if not outside the reach of the national security letter, but the writing's been on the wall for a while now that even this government is out of control and can no longer be trusted at all, with any information, whatsoever.

Better to have off-site backups and have everything encrypted. Journalists critical of any government anywhere, take heed.

Re:information security, dear (1)

compro01 (777531) | 1 year,6 days | (#45239903)

Or better, be off-site yourself.

Re:information security, dear (1)

Nutria (679911) | 1 year,6 days | (#45240325)

To where, though? Russia?

And these guys still work there. (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,6 days | (#45239913)

Bet not

Nazi police state (5, Interesting)

MRe_nl (306212) | 1 year,6 days | (#45239917)

"Hitler's police state worked on the rule that if you said nothing, no harm, could come to you. If you had doubts about the way the country was going, you kept them to yourself - or paid the price".

http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/nazi_police_state.htm [historylea...site.co.uk]

Re:Nazi police state (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,6 days | (#45240021)

Hitler had a time machine and tried to rule 1930's Germany the same way as 2050's United States of America.

Another knell (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,6 days | (#45239975)

It's hard to tell if the farcical's becoming outrageous or vice-versa. But good God those sources deserved better protection from that woman if the file was, in fact, unencrypted. That's easily as execrable as the pretext of a raid to seize a journalist's files.

Encrypt, dammit! (1)

ugen (93902) | 1 year,6 days | (#45239999)

“That explains the one file they took but does not explain why they took four other files with my handwritten and typed interview notes with confidential sources, that I staked my reputation as a journalist to protect under the auspices of the First Amendment of the Constitution,”. Ok, so she swore to protect them and yet did not bother with even basic encryption? And then did not notice the loss of files for quite some time (article suggests a month after the raid, until she was notified by investigators that they took those files)

  Well, perhaps she should not be trusted with confidential information, if she can't be bothered to take even basic care of it.

  And yes, I am all against jackbooted government agents busting doors and grabbing whatever they please, but that does not absolve individual from responsibility to protect data.

Re:Encrypt, dammit! (1)

Antipater (2053064) | 1 year,6 days | (#45240167)

Do you often encrypt your handwritten notes?

Re:Encrypt, dammit! (1)

WoodstockJeff (568111) | 1 year,6 days | (#45240181)

Encrypting hand-written and typed notes.... Isn't that called "shorthand"? Or maybe "bad handwriting"?

Light sensitive flash paper, maybe... Try to copy them, and POOF!

"And these guys still work there" (1)

Kagato (116051) | 1 year,6 days | (#45240009)

I would assume not for long unfortunately. It's also quite likely the feds will gin up some very expensive to defend gun charges against the husband.

Re:"And these guys still work there" (1)

SargentDU (1161355) | 1 year,6 days | (#45240113)

I supposed she was talking about those who performed the raid as still working there. And if they went there for guns, taking her notes would be off limits would not they be?

Where is the public outrage? (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,6 days | (#45240037)

Were this the previous administration (Bush) using jackbooted tactics like this there would be a huge uproar in the US press and public. Why do they tolerate it now? It's just as dangerous to freedom, and to people's rights and a free press as it would have been 8 years go.

Re:Where is the public outrage? (1)

Nutria (679911) | 1 year,6 days | (#45240295)

Do you really need to ask that?

Re:Where is the public outrage? (4, Insightful)

RabidReindeer (2625839) | 1 year,6 days | (#45240307)

Were this the previous administration (Bush) using jackbooted tactics like this there would be a huge uproar in the US press and public. Why do they tolerate it now? It's just as dangerous to freedom, and to people's rights and a free press as it would have been 8 years go.

I'm sorry to say that you are wrong. Bush invented things like "Free Speech Zones" and while he wasn't the first executive to attempt to control the press, he was outstandingly successful. I don't recall hearing the term "embedded" (a/k/a captive) reporter in pre-Bush military campaigns and the whole Patriot Act thing got passed without even a squeak.

That's what I hate about Obama. Hope and Change? No Hope! It's just Bush continued with a smoother tongue and a suntan.

Screwed (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,6 days | (#45240043)

Welcome to the USSA Incorporated, please check your opinions at the border. You can pay the fine on an installment plan.

Holy shit (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,6 days | (#45240055)

Someone do a blog post for reporters on the use of true crypt. MF.

Room 101 is coming (1)

Bodhammer (559311) | 1 year,6 days | (#45240061)

“ You asked me once, what was in Room 101. I told you that you knew the answer already. Everyone knows it. The thing that is in Room 101 is the worst thing in the world."
— O'Brien

The best defense... (5, Insightful)

goathumper (1284632) | 1 year,6 days | (#45240083)

At this point, the best defense is a good offense. They know by now their identities are compromised to their employer, so whatever they said that could be construed to be negative against the TSA will be used against them. Otherwise, it's just a waiting game to find out how much harassment and attrition will be leveled against them to force them to resign, if not downright fire them.

Except if they go public with it. In unison. Loudly. Right now.

Turn the tables. Then again, that approach will be heavily dependent on how the media will cover it, and what the spinsters have to say. Yes - there are risks. Yes - these are probably people with families and commitments and responsibilities that would be at risk. Then again, as of this raid, they already are.

In my mind, this was a stupid move by the establishment. The whistleblowers now have nothing to lose. Absolutely nothing.

Re:The best defense... (1)

CanHasDIY (1672858) | 1 year,6 days | (#45240205)

Turn the tables. Then again, that approach will be heavily dependent on how the media will cover it, and what the spinsters have to say.

I'd recommend taking the story to RT, Democracy Now!, and Youtube.

The oligarchs might control most of the media, but they don't control all of it.

The First Causalty of War Is The Truth (1)

FudRucker (866063) | 1 year,6 days | (#45240091)

they are murdering the truth.

lieing, thieving, murdering tyrannical bastards is what has taken control of this country

It's a game (2)

mosb1000 (710161) | 1 year,6 days | (#45240095)

How many constitutionally guaranteed rights can the DHS violate with a single action? Quite a few it turns out. . .

Come on.....Citing The Daily Caller? (0)

jmd (14060) | 1 year,6 days | (#45240099)

Just read some of the comments and you'll see the audience of this rag. Slashdot can do better than to post this crap. If Ann Coulter is associated with it..... I'm NOT.

Lots of holes in the desert being dug (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,6 days | (#45240105)

But, hey. Gotta keep the family rat-free, right?

So...looking for paper guns, then? (1)

CCarrot (1562079) | 1 year,6 days | (#45240117)

"Using a warrant to search for guns, Homeland security officers and Maryland police confiscated a journalist's confidential files. "

I thought warrants had to be specific as to what they're looking for and allowed to confiscate? Somehow I can't make the mental connection between the stated purpose (guns) and a pile of papers, which were probably not left out in plain sight...

On the other hand, cat's out of the bag now, so there's no reasonable reparation possible. The notes can't be un-read, and I am sure that multiple copies were made the moment they got them back to the office...so what is a reasonable legal response? I suppose if any lawsuits develop against the sources, perhaps all evidence collected on them after this date should be tossed out as inadmissible due to illegal search and seizure? As in, they would not have begun gathering intel on the sources without the notes to point the finger at them, and the notes were seized outside warrant...

But what do I know, IANAL, just a crime show junkie :)

People yammering about the NSA need to understand (2)

Nutria (679911) | 1 year,6 days | (#45240125)

what the REAL threat to American freedom is: government bureaucrats desperately wanting to stay in power hooking up with jackbooted thugs cloaked in the mantle of the state, stomping all over Liberty.

Time to leave (5, Interesting)

comrade1 (748430) | 1 year,6 days | (#45240165)

If you have desirable skills, it's time to leave the u.s. If you can't leave then move your data and services outside the u.s. I don't mean to godwin, but I spent most of my life wondering when I would have left Germany if I lived there during the rise of the Nazis, and how I can apply this to my own life. Two of my great-grandparents fled and lost some modest lands, and one of my grandfather's land was invaded by the Germans. He went back to fight the Germans while in the u.s. army. I often wondered at what point my great-grandparents decided it was time to give up and leave Germany. They left a comfortable aristocratic life and became immigrants in the u.s., owning a neighborhood grocery store. They made a new and somewhat comfortable life for themselves in the u.s. but gave up more to leave. About 6 years ago I decided to leave the u.s. and move to Switzerland, one of the last bastions of freedom in the West. I was lucky - it's difficult to get a work permit here, and will be even more difficult after the elections coming up. So, if you can, just leave. Don't be a cog in the evil that the u.s. has become. If you can't leave, then do what you can to not support it.

Re:Time to leave (1)

jmd (14060) | 1 year,6 days | (#45240297)

So, if you can, just leave. Don't be a cog in the evil that the u.s. has become. If you can't leave, then do what you can to not support it.

At present I'm tying up loose ends to leave. This has been a long time coming. By the summer of 2014 I'll be gone.

P.S. I'm also dropping out of the western culture.

Land of the Brave and Home of the Free (1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,6 days | (#45240171)

My ass! Land of the Immoral and Home of the Cowards!

Obama will be outraged (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,6 days | (#45240197)

I predict that President Obama will publicly announce his shock and outrage. "I am as upset as anyone," he will say. "We will get to the bottom of this."

Then absolutely nothing will happen.

Theoretically, "the buck stops" at the President's desk. But he is acting like he is just as much an outsider as any common voter, not like he has the power to order these agencies to cut the shenanigans.

I don't know whether he ordered this or approves. But if he takes no action, I can and will blame him for that. He's the head of the Executive branch and he can damned well be held accountable for actions of people he is in charge of.

Ask yourself this: "If Obama did want this to happen, what would he be doing differently than what he is actually doing?"

you voted for this (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,6 days | (#45240201)

Pickaninny President!

Enjoy your 'hope and change'!!!

Search Warrant Scope (2)

sfm (195458) | 1 year,6 days | (#45240237)

A warrant should be very specific about what items are to be siezed. If the warrant was for guns, how does that get extended to files ?

Re:Search Warrant Scope (5, Insightful)

idontgno (624372) | 1 year,6 days | (#45240327)

"Because."

And also, "Just because."

And finally, "Do you want some of this too? If not, shut up, mind your own business, and move along, Citizen."

And this is how it happens (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,6 days | (#45240255)

No matter what the law is found to be later, now the ones in power have a way to get what they want. They use mindless cops at the street level. What kind of policeman in his right fucking mind supports this type of raid? Right, mindless cops.

The 'department of securing the homeland from terrorists', and local police raided a journalist's house looking for guns, but left with her personal files. Why should she have thought these people to be legitimate law enforcement? I'd have called the cops after they left. I'd also get with a few lawyers and go ahead and get the lawsuit-ball rolling.

This makes me want to get with some of my buddies and raid homes, claiming to be law enforcement, and just take things from these weak people that are simply trying to live a safe life, obeying the rules.

But again, I'd like to say a nice "FUCK YOU" to the local street-level cops that support this type of behavior. It's because of you that America is scary.

felony offense (4, Insightful)

neghvar1 (1705616) | 1 year,6 days | (#45240257)

Lying on an affidavit is perjury and gathering evidence is limited to what the warrant states. Other evidence outside the scope of the warrant requires another warrant before it can be taken. Otherwise that evidence is inadmissible.

Re:felony offense (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,6 days | (#45240333)

That would be useful if they intended to use the evidence gathered in court. I have a feeling they don't intend to use the stolen documents in court.

Re:felony offense (1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,6 days | (#45240337)

That isn't the problem. The problem is the information is going to go places other than courts.

How dissapointing (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,6 days | (#45240279)

What happended to USA?
This is downright wrong.

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