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Sweden Is Closing Many Prisons Due to Lack of Prisoners

Unknown Lamer posted 1 year,12 days | from the literal-land-of-the-free dept.

Crime 752

rtoz writes "Sweden is taking steps to close many prisons due to lack of prisoners. This year alone, four prisons and a detention center got closed in Sweden. The percentage of the population in Sweden prison is significantly lower than in most other countries. ... Though the Swedish Government is taking steps to close the prisons, the crime rate in Sweden has increased slightly. It seems they are planning to take steps for preventing crime rather than focusing on jailing people involved in criminal activities."

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can they (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,12 days | (#45397753)

be outsourced? This is EXACTLY what USA need.

Sure (5, Funny)

mrwolf007 (1116997) | 1 year,11 days | (#45398161)

But they just dont have enough space for all the NSA employees.

Hey California, I have a solution for you (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,12 days | (#45397757)

California has a problem with overcrowded prisons. Sweden has a problem with prisons being unoccupied.

I sense an opportunity for a good capitalist.

Re:Hey California, I have a solution for you (5, Funny)

EdIII (1114411) | 1 year,11 days | (#45397837)

Swedish Prison?

That sounds better at this point than trying to survive in the US economy with fuckwits running the show....

(I mean all of them, not one side)

Re:Hey California, I have a solution for you (0)

SlovakWakko (1025878) | 1 year,11 days | (#45397965)

(I mean all of them, not one side)

Thanks for being politically correct. We wouldn't want to label politicians "good" and "bad" :)

Re:Hey California, I have a solution for you (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,11 days | (#45398065)

politically correct

I see what you did there.

Re:Hey California, I have a solution for you (4, Funny)

Neil Boekend (1854906) | 1 year,11 days | (#45398165)

Just label 'em "bad" and let $deity sort it out.

Re:Hey California, I have a solution for you (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,11 days | (#45397977)

California has a problem with overcrowded prisons. Sweden has a problem with prisons being unoccupied.

I sense an opportunity for a good capitalist.

No, keep your filth right where it is.
What the US should be doing is disarming its law ENFORCEMENT agency and let it become again a police force.
What the US should be doing is let less and less people go to prison. And those that go, shoudl go to be rehabilitated into civil society. In other words the US should be inspired by european moral values and not the shitty "eye for eye, tooth for tooth" bullshit ideology that underlies its entire judicial system. Designed only to put people into prison for minor deeds.

Re:Hey California, I have a solution for you (2, Informative)

Dionysus (12737) | 1 year,11 days | (#45398077)

What the US should be doing is disarming its law ENFORCEMENT agency and let it become again a police force.

But according to Fox News, how can you be a democracy if the police is unarmed? [youtube.com]

Re: Hey California, I have a solution for you (-1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,11 days | (#45398091)

Holy shit! You used "European" and "moral values" in the same sentence. I just about crapped my pants laughing. Thanks for that, I was in need of a good laugh.

Re:Hey California, I have a solution for you (2)

davester666 (731373) | 1 year,11 days | (#45398001)

And a good catapultist.

Re: Hey California, I have a solution for you (1)

Mitsoid (837831) | 1 year,11 days | (#45398153)

I see the kinda words you're flinging around.. And I approve!

Re:Hey California, I have a solution for you (2)

mendax (114116) | 1 year,11 days | (#45398033)

I doubt California could afford it. What Sweden spends per prisoner is probably double what California does. I suspect a Swedish dungeon affords better conditions than a California one.

Re:Hey California, I have a solution for you (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,11 days | (#45398167)

California can't afford the prisoners they have now.

fixed that for you... (0)

globaljustin (574257) | 1 year,11 days | (#45398093)

I sense an opportunity for a bad capitalist.

profiting off of human misery is unsustainable...at some point with mathematical certainty you will have to put business profit over human suffering

capitalism is not an excuse to abuse & profit from human misery

capitalism is a macroeconomic contextualization of resource management...it is a concept that transcends an individual economic system or governemnt

everything about your comment is wrong

Re: fixed that for you... (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,11 days | (#45398143)

whoosh

the wrong way (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,12 days | (#45397761)

how un-american

this is not good news (5, Funny)

Laxori666 (748529) | 1 year,12 days | (#45397763)

Just think of how many jobs will be lost by the closing of these prisons! Surely there must be something we can do to prevent this calamity from continuing. Maybe the government should subsidize crime to encourage more criminals so that these jobs are safe. Or make a bunch of things illegal that aren't, currently, to increase the incarceration rate. Cause more jobs = better economy as we all know.

Re:this is not good news (2)

EdIII (1114411) | 1 year,11 days | (#45397843)

You know it might just be possible that Swedish prisons were actually working to rehabilitate the prisoners. Victims of their own success?

Re:this is not good news (1)

Quasimodem (719423) | 1 year,11 days | (#45398041)

We don't want any of that! If all the criminals are rehabilitated, our police will have no one to push around but law-abiding citizens . . . Oops! Too late.

Re:this is not good news (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,11 days | (#45398053)

Just put a criminal at the head of the department of justice, and your prisons will fill up again.

Works for the U.S.

end of scarcity (2, Insightful)

globaljustin (574257) | 1 year,11 days | (#45398131)

Cause more jobs = better economy as we all know.

right?

I understand what you're saying and i'm starting to become more sure about an idea that's been around for awhile...

I think the economic concept of ***scarcity*** itself is being rendered statistically irrelevant because of technology

technology is solving so many of our problems that we really don't **need** to work as much as we used to...

at least theoretically...right? or WTF else do we bother making and using these flaming gadgets?

look at food production...technology can become so efficient that it can always keep pace with demand...what then? wouldn't it be a crime **NOT** to give food freely?

we have the technology as humans to feed and clothe every living human in perpetuity now...strip away the B.S. and it is true

people talk of things like "divide and conquer" and "artificial scarcity" or "making a market" all the time, but I think we all need to reconsider **how much we are being held back as a species**

it has gotten really, really bad, IMHO...

**WHAT IF WE DON'T NEED TO WORK AS HARD ANYMORE???**

would your boss tell you that? what about the company that profits from the scarcity a particular technology solves?

technology has worked...it is solving most of our immediate problems...scarcity for the most basic essentials of human existence is no longer a evolutionary factor in modern countries to survival for most...the food is there...

as the trope goes, the problem is "human error" in this system...

false dichotomy in summary (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,12 days | (#45397767)

You can both prevent crime and jail offenders. This is NOT a situation where you have to pick one or the other.

Re:false dichotomy in summary (1)

Todd Palin (1402501) | 1 year,11 days | (#45397773)

How is this working out for the USA?

Re:false dichotomy in summary (0)

noh8rz10 (2716597) | 1 year,11 days | (#45397791)

as somebody who has spent more than a year in prison cumulatively, let me assure you that I am motivated never to return!

Re:false dichotomy in summary (0, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,11 days | (#45397809)

Bullshit! You've never set foot in a prison, you psycho. What you do do, however, is use a variety of accounts to spew your tourettes-like invective.

Re:false dichotomy in summary (1)

muphin (842524) | 1 year,11 days | (#45397955)

he could have worked there :p

Re:false dichotomy in summary (1)

cheater512 (783349) | 1 year,11 days | (#45397963)

Yeah but you were dumb enough to go there to begin with.

Oh and I'm pretty sure everyone says that after being in prison.
They ALL hope they don't get caught next time. :P

Re:false dichotomy in summary (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,11 days | (#45397925)

better if the US had a homogeneous culture

Re:false dichotomy in summary (2)

drhank1980 (1225872) | 1 year,11 days | (#45398127)

Actually crime in the USA is also down [fbi.gov] .

I am not saying our extremely high incarceration rate is the primary cause for the reduction in crime. But in spite of what is commonly reported about America, crime is actually improving. I would expect if we did a similar reduction in sentences for drug offenders, and have some better support for those getting out of jail we would have gotten a bigger reduction probably at a lower cost, but being "soft on crime" does not help anyone win elections

Re:false dichotomy in summary (1)

gl4ss (559668) | 1 year,11 days | (#45397829)

but why would you if you're paid per prisoner and per processed "customer"?

Re: false dichotomy in summary (1)

FishTankX (1539069) | 1 year,11 days | (#45398121)

But one has to recieve priority over the other.

Tragic... (5, Insightful)

dyingtolive (1393037) | 1 year,12 days | (#45397769)

Well, tragic that the prison industry is too profitable in the US to follow suit, anyway.

Re:Tragic... (5, Insightful)

Yvanhoe (564877) | 1 year,11 days | (#45397871)

Slavery had to be replaced by something.

Re:Tragic... (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,11 days | (#45398173)

Sounds more like the trend of legalizing everything, means nothing is a crime. Of course that means that politicians will be looking for ever more things to legalize to get elected.

Those damn socialist! (4, Insightful)

musixman (1713146) | 1 year,12 days | (#45397771)

See what happens when you provide free health care, childcare & social services to prevent crimes based on poverty and drug use!

Re:Those damn socialist! (5, Insightful)

EdIII (1114411) | 1 year,11 days | (#45397887)

Drug use is not the problem, nor is it something that needs to be prevented. In fact, you get rid of the bullshit, it practically prevents itself.

The vast majority of all drug use is not harmful to society. Let's face some facts here. Alcohol is far more dangerous to health and safety than most drugs have ever been combined. Let's also be realistic and set aside marijuana into another category; Use and Distribution. Only its distribution is associated with crimes beyond the act of distribution itself. Crimes associated with use are less prevalent and damaging than crimes associated with alcohol. IIRC, several campuses have outright admitted they wished there was more weed usage than alcohol usage for that same reason.

An artificial economy created by prohibition is responsible for the crimes. If an addict could get meth/heroin/coke cheaply at a pharmacy along with the opportunity for help that would eliminate most of the problems.

We never did learn any lessons from prohibition of alcohol did we?

Re:Those damn socialist! (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,11 days | (#45397975)

He's clearly referring to heavy drugs. Meth addicts will do stupid things for their next fix.

Re:Those damn socialist! (5, Insightful)

EdIII (1114411) | 1 year,11 days | (#45398019)

He's clearly referring to heavy drugs. Meth addicts will do stupid things for their next fix.

That's the whole point. If the "stupid" thing a meth addict has to do is panhandle for 20 minutes, walk to Walgreens, by a little baggie and kit, that's far less damaging to society.

All of those "stupid" things are completely eliminated when you get rid of drug prohibition.

Do you need to stupid things, pay exorbitant amounts of money, enable organized crime, slink in the shadows, etc. to get some fucking beer? Or do you go down to the liquor store, slap down a few bucks, and get fucked up in your own home peaceably?

Re:Those damn socialist! (2, Insightful)

EdIII (1114411) | 1 year,11 days | (#45398073)

Sorry to double post here, but if meth was available at a pharmacy, maybe the worst stupid thing to happen would be a meth addict shoplifting some drugs. By shoplifting I mean grabbing it from the pharmacist when they open the cupboard that has it stocked. Same way spray paint is protected these days (and that is truly stupid).

If it was legal and cheap, than there would be no place for a "criminal" to go and get it outside of legal means. Jay and Silent Bob would not make a living on the corner handing shit out anymore. I just don't see the stupid things that can be done anymore to obtain it in a society where it's legalized.

You know what is far more fucking addictive than meth? FOOD. Food is outright the most addictive substance known to man with horrifying withdrawal symptoms that are always fatal.

Yet, I don't see a pandemic of homeless people going insane and stabbing people to go and get food. They seem to get by with the homeless shelters, food pantries, and existing charities/foundations just fine.

I know that if I saw a homeless person crying and literally going insane with hunger approach me that my only option available to me would be to feed him/her. It's the only option.

Re:Those damn socialist! (1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,11 days | (#45398075)

If the meth was easily obtainable and sold at a price close to its actual cost, they wouldn't have to do those stupid things. Meth and other drugs are so expensive because they are illegal. If a major drug company was allowed to make and sell it, you'd see it over the counter sold for $11 for a 30 day supply. Or even if it was $5 a day, that's affordable for most people.

Re:Those damn socialist! (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,11 days | (#45397999)

Ya I 100% agree with you, "drug use" was the wrong term. "Incarceration for drug use" is more what I meant.

Re:Those damn socialist! (4, Insightful)

phoenix_rizzen (256998) | 1 year,11 days | (#45398007)

Wait. So, prohibition is bad. But the one drug that is no longer prohibited is now the worst offender of all? Me thinks you need to rethink that argument.

Re:Those damn socialist! (1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,11 days | (#45398141)

Me thinks you need to rethink that argument.

Why? You can believe that prohibition is bad while at the same time claiming that alcohol is more harmful than a lot of drugs that are or have been illegal.

I personally say prohibition is bad solely because it infringes upon people's freedoms, not because the illegal drugs aren't harmful.

Re:Those damn socialist! (1)

VortexCortex (1117377) | 1 year,11 days | (#45398051)

We never did learn any lessons from prohibition of alcohol did we?

No, we learned it from prohibition of cocaine and caffeine -- Except the drink companies wouldn't budge on the caffeine front.

Lesson learned: Habit forming substances are OK as long as we can profit from them.... How do you keep folks from growing their own weed though? I mean it's WEED.

Re:Those damn socialist! (-1, Flamebait)

epyT-R (613989) | 1 year,11 days | (#45398003)

Gee guys there's just a little more to it than free this and free that.. It comes at a heavy price: 75% tax, the criminalizing of 'politically incorrect' speech as 'hate,' and, handing out favors to specific groups based on arbitrary attributes under the guise of 'equality.'

Sweden has some cultural issues to work out too. The PC is so bad there that swedes who vocally or politically defend their native cultures (from say islamic 'immigrants') are branded as fascist, nationalist bigots. Men there are treated like shit in divorce proceedings, in fact in any proceeding that involves conflict with women. There's a reason the US used sweden as the place to get julian assange up on fake sexual assault charges... basically there's little jurisprudence and it would've been a nice easy way to grab him and get him extradited.

Yeah, the USA has problems, and has fallen far from the ideals of its constitution, but for the moment, I'd rather be here than any of the 'People's Republics.'

Uh... (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,11 days | (#45397775)

Actual rational thinking from a government? I was beginning to think that didn't happen anymore... but then I'm in the US.

Hope to see that in Egypt (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,11 days | (#45397781)

amazing

Remember when... (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,11 days | (#45397783)

Remember when American schoolchildren were taught that communism was evil (and by extension, socialism was suspect) because the Soviet Union, had more prisoners per capita than the Land of the Free and the Home of the Brave?

All those precious moments of a Cold War youth, and all I have to show for them is that I saw them go down the memory hole.

Re:Remember when... (1, Informative)

sumdumass (711423) | 1 year,11 days | (#45398047)

No, i do not remember that and you do not either unless your teachers were morons.

Communist first got a bad name in the US durring the 1919 failed attemp to overthrow yhe US government. After the communist party was broken up and most foreing member were deported, the remaining members went underground or joined the socialist party. Then WWII happened and afterwards the openly communist in Europe joined the socialists due to a large stigma communism had right after the war and with the start of the vold war.

If you actually had a teacher mentioning something about Russian jails, it was most likely about how lots of people were jailed for speaking thier minds(free speech) which a lot fifferent then you think you heard.

Re:Remember when... (2)

H0p313ss (811249) | 1 year,11 days | (#45398157)

[citation needed]

Repulsive! Government Waste! (4, Funny)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | 1 year,11 days | (#45397787)

This is the sort of thing you see in countries deeply afflicted with the European-socialist culture of dependency and waste. First, the state wastefully builds a bunch of white-elephant infrastructure projects, rather than embarking on an Efficient private contract; because it's somebody else's money they are spending.

Then, when those projects stand empty, the state just expects somebody to give them customers (we worked so hard, don't we deserve to succeed?) and then throws up its hands in limp-wristed failure and admits defeat, rather than going out there and making customers through good, old-fashioned, hard work and brutal overcriminalization of all sorts of petty offenses.

This, my friends, is what a sick society looks like. I bet they try to hide their shame by cooking up a bunch of fancy statistics about how good their human development index rankings, life expectancy, and similar ivory-tower nonsense are; but you can't hide moral sickness this profound.

Re:Repulsive! Government Waste! (5, Insightful)

dyingtolive (1393037) | 1 year,11 days | (#45397805)

The most disturbing thing to me is that, on a different site, that comment could be construed as both, serious AND insightful.

Re:Repulsive! Government Waste! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,11 days | (#45398037)

I don't want to ruin your little dream here but have you seen Sweden's Debt/GDP ration? and then compare it to USA? Maybe the Tea Party is not THAT wrong after all.

Re:Repulsive! Government Waste! (5, Informative)

dyingtolive (1393037) | 1 year,11 days | (#45398117)

You're totally right, I haven't seen them. I'm talking out my ass. Let me look at them. Thank god we have Wikipedia for these things.

Sweden: -17.632
United States: 87.859

Wow. Yup, just like you said. Theirs is negative and the US's is so much higher. What was I thinking? Hey, I gotta read up more about this Debt to GDP thingy so I stop making an ass of myself and be smart too. Good thing I still have wikipedia open:

A low debt-to-GDP ratio indicates an economy that produces and sells goods and services sufficient to pay back debts without incurring further debt. Governments aim for low debt-to-GDP ratios, but geopolitical and economic considerations - including interest rates, war, recessions, and other variables - influence the borrowing practices of a nation and the choice to incur further debt.

...huh.

Re:Repulsive! Government Waste! (1)

EdIII (1114411) | 1 year,11 days | (#45397901)

What is profoundly sickening is that you would be cheered on by a tearful crowd in some places right now...

(I'm thinking Iowa)

Re:Repulsive! Government Waste! (1)

MacTO (1161105) | 1 year,11 days | (#45397915)

They clearly need to dump more money into university research on increasing criminal activity.

Re:Repulsive! Government Waste! (0)

clarkkent09 (1104833) | 1 year,11 days | (#45397953)

So the point of your joke is that the US high prison inmate rate per capita is the result of excessive reliance on private enterprise and not enough government regulation and welfare state?

There are countries far more socialist than Sweden that have a prison and murder rate per capita far higher than the US. Venezuela is as socialist as it gets outside Cuba and North Korea and the government controls far more of the economy for the "benefit" of the poor and yet its murder rate is more than 10 times higher than the US.

There are factors outside economic/political system that affect the crime rate. US excessive "war on drugs" as well as much higher use of drugs that in Sweden is one, the violent culture of gangs in inner cities (also related to drugs) etc. Also, I would guess that the % of Swedish people living in the US who are in prison is comparable to the % of Swedish people living in Sweden who are in prison, but I shouldn't say that since true statistics are often racist.

Re:Repulsive! Government Waste! (4, Interesting)

HalfFlat (121672) | 1 year,11 days | (#45397997)

There are countries far more socialist than Sweden that have a prison and murder rate per capita far higher than the US.

Well, no. No, there isn't. Because the US is in fact the world leader in per capita incarceration rate. The US is, in this metric, really number one.

Murder is another story. If you compare the US though with its economic peers, you have to go a long way down the per-capita GDP axis [diegobasch.com] before you find another country with a higher per-capita homicide rate.

Re:Repulsive! Government Waste! (1, Redundant)

clarkkent09 (1104833) | 1 year,11 days | (#45398087)

The US has a higher incarceration rate due to harsher sentences, not necessarily due to higher crime rate. Overall crime rate in UK and Germany (far better comparison to the US than Sweden) are higher than in the US. US has lower burglary and robbery rates than Australia or Canada. Take 20 worst gangland ghettos out of the equation and US compares favorably to most major developed countries in any crime statistic. Whatever the reasons for the harsh sentences (in particular for drug use), which is the true reason for the US record incarceration rate, they are not obviously related to welfare state which was the actual point of my post.

Re:Repulsive! Government Waste! (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,11 days | (#45398133)

I also reflect favorable outcomes to my arguments when I create statistic altering exceptions.

Re:Repulsive! Government Waste! (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,11 days | (#45398061)

Then, when those projects stand empty, the state just expects somebody to give them customers (we worked so hard, don't we deserve to succeed?) and then throws up its hands in limp-wristed failure and admits defeat, rather than going out there and making customers through good, old-fashioned, hard work and brutal overcriminalization of all sorts of petty offenses.

There is no empty buildings...
We had a project called million-programme where we buildt over a million apartments in the 1960. They are not empty there is a contant demand for them becourse private comapnies dont want to build becoruse it is not profitable enougth. Is that better? And im actually mean "profitable enougth". Do we want refugess to be homeless? Do we want people to have it better? The anwser is YES! There is s reason that we have taxes in Sweden. we want to do these things to help those who cant not help them selfs. They dont have to be as efficent as the private industry, I like paying taxes. I like seeing my fellow freinds and people having a batter life.

People who work hard are allowed to "succesed"(what ever that is? making money?) but are people who can not, be course of social inequality and monetary in equality are they not allowed to have healthy life? We are a society, not a nation of individualists.

But then again, you can always migrate to united states and live and die, thiere. We don't have to have the same opinion ion what is the best for the individual.

Start jailing the rapists (0, Troll)

Suiggy (1544213) | 1 year,11 days | (#45397797)

Maybe they should start prosecuting all of the immigrant child rapists instead of letting them get away with it. Oh no, can't do that because it would be deemed "racist."

http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=sv&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.friatider.se%2F11-aring-gruppvaldtogs-pa-badhus&act=url [google.com]

85% of reported rapes in Sweden are perpetrated by Muslim immigrants.

http://www.newsmax.com/jameswalsh/europe-immigration-muslim-obama/2013/05/29/id/506837 [newsmax.com]

Re:Start jailing the rapists (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,11 days | (#45397815)

Quoting newsmax? Way to discredit yourself.

Re:Start jailing the rapists (2, Insightful)

Suiggy (1544213) | 1 year,11 days | (#45397859)

It's not my fault the vast majority of yellow press will avoid reporting on anything that goes contrary to the politically correct narrative.

Re:Start jailing the rapists (3, Insightful)

Microlith (54737) | 1 year,11 days | (#45397969)

Yeah, right, IT'S A CONSPIRACY! Come back when you have a source more credible than Newsmax.

Re:Start jailing the rapists (3, Funny)

whistlingtony (691548) | 1 year,11 days | (#45398039)

It is your fault for quoting Newsmax. :D

Seriously, look a the link itself. "europe-immigration-muslim-obama". I mean.... come on... sheesh.

Re:Start jailing the rapists (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,11 days | (#45397847)

Good point.

Re:Start jailing therapists (2, Funny)

_merlin (160982) | 1 year,11 days | (#45397895)

Yes, we should start jailing therapists. Their extortionate "professional rates" suck the lifeblood out of the economy. People would be better off spending this money on hookers and gigolos who give guaranteed relief. Oh wait, not "therapists" but "the rapists". Well, if people were more inclined to hire hookers, that problem could be solved, too!

Re:Start jailing therapists (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,11 days | (#45397933)

I always found it odd that a profession counting Sigmund Freud among its ranks named themselves "the rapists".

Re:Start jailing therapists (1)

sumdumass (711423) | 1 year,11 days | (#45398085)

I also want to know why so many people have a problem with rap music artists.

Re:Start jailing the rapists (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,11 days | (#45397947)

85% of reported rapes in Sweden are perpetrated by Muslim immigrants.

Except those committed by Australians.

Re:Start jailing the rapists (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,11 days | (#45398089)

85% of reported rapes in Sweden are perpetrated by Muslim immigrants.

Except those committed by Australians.

When it comes to that: note that's actually a single Australian to allegedly commit the rest of 15%.
(large grin)

Re:Start jailing the rapists (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,11 days | (#45398027)

Jailing the rapists would be racist. Not jailing anyone would be sexist. The solution is to jail random white men.

Re:Start jailing the rapists (1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,11 days | (#45398071)

Terrible as this is, when I see the words 'rape' and 'Sweden' together, the first thing I think is: 'insurance scam'.

In the mid 90's, I was told by a Greek colleague that, whilst desirable, female Swedish tourists were avoided like the plague by the local Greek males thanks to their propensity for crying 'rape'.
Turned out it was a long standing scam, they took out rape insurance prior to their holiday, suckered some local lothario at their holiday destination, cried rape, got the lothario arrested, then claimed on the policy back in Sweden.

I see from a quick Google search, that this is still probably going on.

I've no doubt that some of the stuff pointed to in your links is true, we have a similar problem here in Britain with sections of the Muslim population, as an example, Google: Muslim paedophile rings Britain.

[FWIW, the existence of these 'rings' was 'common knowledge' at least as far back as the early 90's - I was told about them as an example of the 'depraved' behaviour of 'British' Muslims which appalled a number of the foreign Muslim students at the University I worked in at the time (I won't even go into the skewed logic employed that 'as western women do not dress like women (burquas etc) they're not 'true' women', ergo we can do what we like with them as they're then in a category not covered by our religious rulebook.')
Amusingly (if I can use that word in this context), this was posited by the foreign Muslim students as an example of the corrupting influence of the West, and, please note, I'm not talking about rabid card carrying 'We hate the West' types - though considering what we've subsequently done to one of the countries that a number of them came from, I think that'll have changed to our detriment ].

Solution (1)

jxander (2605655) | 1 year,11 days | (#45397851)

As an American, I'm sure we could let them have some of ours. We have way more prisoners than we know what to do with.

OTOH our neighbors are fine with jailing a MS pati (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,11 days | (#45397857)

On the other hand, our neighbors to the West are fine with jailing a MS patient for using pot to help her with her condition: http://www.thelocal.se/20080125/9775

well in the usa people went to prison for healthca (2)

Joe_Dragon (2206452) | 1 year,11 days | (#45397867)

As they where locked out of other choices.

Also some homeless people go in and out of jails as well.

Outsource it to the Americans (5, Interesting)

renzhi (2216300) | 1 year,11 days | (#45397869)

Why closing them? They should outsource/rent to the Americans, I'm sure they could make some money and create more jobs at the same time.

Re:Outsource it to the Americans (1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,11 days | (#45397893)

American prisoners would fight to the death for a stay in Swedish prisons. I'm not sure on which side that I would stand...

Re:Outsource it to the Americans (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,11 days | (#45397951)

A couple of airplanes full of American prisoners could probably take over Sweden.

Re:Outsource it to the Americans (-1)

Tim99 (984437) | 1 year,11 days | (#45398021)

Really? The majority of Swedish men have had military training and many of them have assault rifles at home (not necessarily ammunition, but that can be made available from the local barracks). Wikipedia Link [wikipedia.org]

Re:Outsource it to the Americans (2)

dryeo (100693) | 1 year,11 days | (#45398125)

You might want to look at a map sometime. Sweden is a ways away from Switzerland.

Re:Outsource it to the Americans (2)

whistlingtony (691548) | 1 year,11 days | (#45398025)

"A couple of airplanes full of American prisoners could probably take over Sweden."

Well, that's obviously not true. But assuming it was, what would that tell us? What would that prove?

I think your statement tells us more about you than about Sweden. And I think it tells us that you're an idiot.

Re:Outsource it to the Americans (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,11 days | (#45397987)

Lets compromise and send the NSA instead to be locked up indefinitely.

mental health (2)

Joe_Dragon (2206452) | 1 year,11 days | (#45397883)

does Sweden have mental health centers to help people unlike the us that shout some down and the people just moved to prisons.

Re: mental health (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,11 days | (#45397961)

The issue in USA is that poor black are sent to prison. Just check the laws. Same drug gives 10 times bigger sentence for blacks. Used to be 100.

Re: mental health (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,11 days | (#45398105)

The issue in USA is that poor black are sent to prison. Just check the laws. Same drug gives 10 times bigger sentence for blacks. Used to be 100.

Let me guess: the prison terms for common offenses were just multiplied by 10?

Re:mental health (1, Flamebait)

Frobnicator (565869) | 1 year,11 days | (#45398011)

Yes, mental health is covered by the government-run health system.

On one hand, as a country Sweden has solved a great many social woes by implementing broad social care and welfare programs.

On the other hand, they have the highest tax rate in the world [wikipedia.org] in order to sustain all the social services. National taxes alone account for nearly 50% of an individual's income, with regional and local taxes potentially adding another 30%.

In recent years the social services have rapidly been switching to private for-profit models and the costs have started to skyrocket. So there is that side to consider.

Re:mental health (1)

dryeo (100693) | 1 year,11 days | (#45398149)

The real question is what is the standard of living like after paying those taxes, including how much net is left.
If your income goes up with the taxes, eg make 50% more before taxes, then it's not so bad. Same with if expenses drop so even though you have less money, you need less money as you don't have to pay for certain things such as quality health care.

This is a bad idea (4, Funny)

SlovakWakko (1025878) | 1 year,11 days | (#45397971)

Don't mess with the equilibrium. Less criminals means less need for cops means more unemplyed cops who usually go into organized crime means more criminals means you need to hire more cops means less crime means... - OMG, it's just a way to get the whole population into organized crime!

How? (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,11 days | (#45397979)

How can that be? The require their citizens to own military style weapons, so they must have higher number of gun crimes. Obviously that's wrong.

Damned socialists! (1)

GodfatherofSoul (174979) | 1 year,11 days | (#45398023)

That's what happens when you don't let the Prison Industrial Complex freedom-speak with their campaign donation dollars.

Here's An Idea... (2)

Greyfox (87712) | 1 year,11 days | (#45398031)

Why don't we outsource our prisons to Sweden? They get to keep their prisons and I bet they can implement them for a lot less expense than American prisons! Then everyone's a winner!

Those crazy swedish (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,11 days | (#45398057)

They have it backwards! If there's not enough prisoners, it means you're not cracking down enough or don't have enough laws! You need to start a war on something inanimate that too many people seem to enjoy. Use yer noggins!

Sweden has its head up its Butt (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,11 days | (#45398079)

Husby Sweden, 100 cars blown up by immigrants over a perceived misjustice which was actually nothing of the sort: http://goo.gl/qgK6fF.
Police officers were litterally running away from these 'youth'. Not a single person arrested. This is Swedish justice. They are useless.
Even when they know a crime is committed, have evidence to that effect, they will let the criminals go free.

Premature. (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,11 days | (#45398107)

They and the other scandinavian countries are importing the 3rd world in record numbers. Thanks to Muslim and African immigrants, they are a rape capital of the world now:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_statistics#Sweden [wikipedia.org]

And that doesn't stop there. Soon murder and theft will follow.

If you like the idea of people being "rehabiliated" aka set free and never going to jail, then yes, Swedish model is really something to look forward to. I know the US overdoes punishment, particularly against the war on drugs, but my family has been on the receiving end of crime and seeing the perp walk with little more than a slap on the wrist does not satisfy justice imo.

swedish criminals on youtube (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,11 days | (#45398171)

Wallander (the original in Swedish - not the BBC remake) is an excellent series about a Swedish police detective, and all the episodes are on youtube. What makes it so interesting for an American is not just the usual crime-solving stuff, but the insights into Swedish society that you pick up in passing.

Don't believe in it! (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,11 days | (#45398175)

*Sigh* Another "Sweden is so great"-article. Trust me, it does NOT look that rosy from the inside. Segregation, increased violence and crime, health care quality is laughable, public pension plan is doomed, housing bubble about to burst etc etc

But there's nothing wrong with the lobbying. Apparently... /Swede

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