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Ask Slashdot: What Does Edward Snowden Deserve?

samzenpus posted about 10 months ago | from the naughty-or-nice dept.

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Nerval's Lobster writes "U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder made government whistleblower Edward Snowden a very peculiar offer last week: plead guilty, and the U.S. government would consider how to handle his criminal case. That seems an inverted way of doing things—in the United States, the discussions (if not the trial) usually come before the guilty plea—but Holder's statement hints yet again at the conundrum facing the government when it comes to Snowden, a former subcontractor for the National Security Agency (NSA) who leaked secrets about that group's intelligence operations to a number of newspapers, most notably The Guardian. It's unlikely that the U.S. government would ever consider giving full clemency to Snowden, but now it seems that various officials are willing to offer something other than locking him in a deep, dark cell and throwing away the key. If Snowden ever risked coming back to the United States (or if he was forced to return, thanks to the Russians kicking him out and no other country willing to give him asylum), and you were Holder and Obama, what sort of deal would you try to strike with everybody's favorite secrets-leaker?"

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It might be an unpopular opinion... (5, Interesting)

The123king (2395060) | about 10 months ago | (#46081553)

but a pardon for his crimes, a pack of beers and a a badge that says "I stated the obvious"

Re:It might be an unpopular opinion... (5, Informative)

RailGunner (554645) | about 10 months ago | (#46081661)

More popular then you think. Mr. Snowden is a whistleblower who pointed out that the NSA was breaking the law.

Full pardon.

Re:It might be an unpopular opinion... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#46081729)

What he deserves is nothing less than an asshole full of sticky white tadpoles! Oh, yeah! Snowden's asshole is a fuckin' tadpole sucker! It's sucking my cock dry! I can't hold anymore; it's time to flood his smelly ass with my sticky goodies!

Re:It might be an unpopular opinion... (4, Insightful)

mrclisdue (1321513) | about 10 months ago | (#46082025)

It's anecdotal, I admit, but I believe you're in the minority with that particular opinion, though I'm sure there are a few folks 'round the oval office and thereabouts who share your thoughts.

The irony may be that the USA is well on its way to disallowing either of us to express our opinions or thoughts, anywhere.

cheers,

Re:It might be an unpopular opinion... (5, Interesting)

Joce640k (829181) | about 10 months ago | (#46081859)

If they're offering deals then I think they're worried about what else he knows.

Maybe he's saving the good stuff 'til last.

Re:It might be an unpopular opinion... (0, Troll)

tripleevenfall (1990004) | about 10 months ago | (#46082039)

Snowden committed crimes. For the rule of law, he should be tried and sentenced to the prescribed penalty for those crimes.

I'm glad we know what he told us. But you can't not prosecute people who undoubtedly did commit crimes because you agree with their stated motives.

Re:It might be an unpopular opinion... (4, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#46081921)

See, I have mixed feelings about this. For the revelation about the domestic spying I would classify him as a whistleblower and say full pardon, but then he went and divulged a bunch of information on foreign spying programs which makes me feel like he should be classed as a criminal.

Spying on allies is a thin excuse for outrage on the part of the average US citizen. Everyone does this, we know it, but you're not supposed to get caught. However by divulging this external spying (which I fully expect the NSA to do) I feel he's actually crossed the line from whistleblower to criminal.

Like I said, mixed feelings. In the end, I don't think a full pardon is warranted, but I think most of the major charges, especially all charges related to revealing the wiretapping scheme, should be dismissed.

Also, a pardon is not really applicable here, as he has not been convicted of any crimes. He is technically still innocent under the eyes of the law, though I'm sure the government doesn't care.

Re:It might be an unpopular opinion... (1)

gregor-e (136142) | about 10 months ago | (#46081695)

I'd throw in an executive order by the president dissolving the NSA, but requiring Snowden's co-signature.

Re:It might be an unpopular opinion... (0, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#46081701)

Scooter Libby got a pardon. Why can't Snowden?

Re:It might be an unpopular opinion... (4, Informative)

pixelpusher220 (529617) | about 10 months ago | (#46081763)

Actually he wasn't pardoned. His sentence was commuted but he was never pardoned. He's still guilty.

Re:It might be an unpopular opinion... (4, Informative)

FilmedInNoir (1392323) | about 10 months ago | (#46081881)

Oliver North got a light sentence and than the ACLU helped clear him of even that.

Re:It might be an unpopular opinion... (3, Insightful)

prefec2 (875483) | about 10 months ago | (#46081727)

I support this. In addition he should get the next Peace price, as his doing weakened the US and made it less able to force things at the present. Maybe it will help that the US administration learns to talk and negotiate on equal terms which will make the world a safer place. Also there are other states, like the UK, Russia or China, who need to be humbled as well.

Re:It might be an unpopular opinion... (5, Funny)

GameMaster (148118) | about 10 months ago | (#46081867)

Honestly, I voted for Obama (and would vote for him again simply because of how much crazier the GOP is) but I think Snowden should get Obama's Peace Prize.

Re:It might be an unpopular opinion... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#46081991)

It's a terrible pity you probably never got to live under communist rule, at least at an age where you would understand what was happening.

Re: It might be an unpopular opinion... (5, Insightful)

icebike (68054) | about 10 months ago | (#46081797)

Full Pardon, and Presidential Medal of Freedom.

Anything less is a travesty.

Re:It might be an unpopular opinion... (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#46081863)

He didn't just state the obvious, people have been stating the obvious for years, Snowden provided evidence.

Re:It might be an unpopular opinion... (5, Interesting)

MightyMartian (840721) | about 10 months ago | (#46082019)

He deserves a ticker tape parade and to be listed among the great patriots who sacrificed personal safety and comfort in the name of liberty.

At the very least... (5, Interesting)

DoofusOfDeath (636671) | about 10 months ago | (#46081555)

The Presidential Medal of Freedom [wikipedia.org] .

Shoot, he deserves it 100x more than the FEMA directory to whom W. awarded it in response to Hurricane Katrina.

Re:At the very least... (1)

Z00L00K (682162) | about 10 months ago | (#46081677)

I agree - he has leaked stuff, but almost everything he did leak was only damaging to the NSA in the form of showing that they have gone way too far.

And none of the leaks were really surprising.

He has made a point, and being in exile isn't easy either. The US government is in a really bad position already, and is fighting an uphill battle with the rest of the world due to a sluggish economy.

What the US needs is to get straightened out and cut down on unnecessary surveillance and instead invest that money into some real research for the future.

Re:At the very least... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#46081885)

The Presidential Medal of Freedom [wikipedia.org] .

Shoot, he deserves it 100x more than the FEMA directory to whom W. awarded it in response to Hurricane Katrina.

Many people also say Mr Snowden should be shot as a traitor.

I support a compromise: Award him the Medal of Freedom, then proceed immediately with the execution.

What kind of idiot (5, Insightful)

hsmith (818216) | about 10 months ago | (#46081565)

Would agree to terms before they even tell you what the terms are?

And lets be fair, it isn't like the Obama Admin could be trusted to live up to the terms of the agreement anyway.

Re:What kind of idiot (5, Funny)

Scutter (18425) | about 10 months ago | (#46081703)

"But we have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it – away from the fog of the controversy."
  - Nancy Pelosi

Re:What kind of idiot (1)

camperdave (969942) | about 10 months ago | (#46081895)

Would agree to terms before they even tell you what the terms are?

Anyone who's opened the shrinkwrap [wikipedia.org] .

Re:What kind of idiot (3, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#46082031)

The kind of idiot who makes deals with Eric Holder. That guy is so shady and such an inept lawyer; this offer does not surprise me in the slightest. Even a freshly minted law school graduate would tell Snowden not to take this deal. Expect nothing to come of this except more embarrassment and proof of Holder's incompetence.

Pardon (3, Interesting)

Stargoat (658863) | about 10 months ago | (#46081569)

A Presidential Pardon, issued at 11:58 am on January 20, 2017.

Seriously, Snowden's a hell of a guy and did a real good thing - they even recognize this by their claims for the need to limit the actions of the NSA. But the administration cannot condone his actions. Hence, a last minute presidential pardon is the only politically viable option.

Re:Pardon (2)

GodInHell (258915) | about 10 months ago | (#46081623)

Hard to accept that deal if you're Snowden. "I promise I'll let you go once I have you in jail." hmm.

Re:Pardon (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#46081963)

The point of a presidential pardon is that it can't be challenged.

That being said, there's nothing to prevent the government from making up new charges against him and trying him for those.

Re:Pardon (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#46081713)

This would imply that Obama paid attention or that he disagreed with the actions that were originally being leaked, and thus agreed with the leaks taking place. Since it has been shown that Obama's administration has been actively pushing for more of what has been leaked, even in the face of it being leaked, I won't hold my breath.

Also, considering his public statements (and outright lies) on the subject, I would have to say that this will not happen except to potentially boost his post-Presidency popularity.

Re:Pardon (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#46081913)

But the administration cannot condone his actions. Hence, a last minute presidential pardon is the only politically viable option.
 
It's the only viable option if you want him pardoned, that is.
 
But are you really naive enough to believe that Obama didn't know what was going on? Pretty much everything he's actually done since this "revelation" has pointed to Obama brushing off the public. Sure, he moved his jaw on it in a fashion that was 4th Amendment friendly but his real actions have been "I'll do what I want, peasants. Now shut up or I'll sic the IRS on you... and that's just for starters."
 
I guess the really sad thing is that we still have people around who think that he was clueless and he's just as much a victim as anyone else. Anyone who's been paying attentions knows much differently.

A fetid cock in his rancid little rectum. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#46081577)

I hear Snowden's rectum is one of the most rancid rectums to ever exist. Furthermore, it's constantly filled with feces, infested with various delectable diseases, and his feces itself is absolutely teeming with pinworms! Wow! My foul little friend just licked its chops! I can't wait to get this feces fiesta started and shoot all my disease-ridden cum right into the deepest reaches of his smelly asshole and mix my tadpoles with his feces surprise! I wonder what sort of concoction we can create by doing so? Let's find out! What say you?

ONE OF THESE DAYS (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#46081811)

One of these days... One of these days you're going to forget to click the check-box next to "Post Anonymously" and you will reveal your username.

Re:ONE OF THESE DAYS (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#46081883)

Who says he has a username?

Re:ONE OF THESE DAYS (1)

camperdave (969942) | about 10 months ago | (#46081911)

One of these days... One of these days you're going to forget to click the check-box next to "Post Anonymously" and you will reveal your username.

And what, exactly, would that tell you?

In the interest of appeasing both sides... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#46081579)

...they have decided to award him the Nobel Peace Prize, posthumously.

Re:In the interest of appeasing both sides... (2)

pixelpusher220 (529617) | about 10 months ago | (#46081791)

Perhaps they can rescind Obama's and give it to Snowden

They must be really stupid (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#46081585)

How can dumb people like that have such well-paid jobs? The government and the NSA need to plead guilty, THEN Snowden can come home.

A reward (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#46081587)

A Noble prize, complete and absolute immunity to all prosecution, criminal and/or civil and a tickertape parade on arrival back to the USA

Re:A reward (1)

amalcolm (1838434) | about 10 months ago | (#46081641)

I guess he'd rather have a Nobel prize?

Even if the spooks don't kill him (5, Insightful)

jobsagoodun (669748) | about 10 months ago | (#46081593)

Some nut-job will.

Medal of Honor (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#46081595)

Medal of Honor

Assassination (5, Insightful)

Dan East (318230) | about 10 months ago | (#46081601)

The alternative could be assassination, and I don't mean by the USA. There are many groups active in Russia who would kill Snowden simply to make the USA look bad (if he dies, regardless of the circumstances, most people will assume he was killed by the US). Returning to the US would alleviate living under that kind of fear (assuming he recognizes it).

Re:Assassination (1)

Nyder (754090) | about 10 months ago | (#46081975)

The alternative could be assassination, and I don't mean by the USA. There are many groups active in Russia who would kill Snowden simply to make the USA look bad (if he dies, regardless of the circumstances, most people will assume he was killed by the US). Returning to the US would alleviate living under that kind of fear (assuming he recognizes it).

What groups?

A medal (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#46081605)

and a parade.

The right to live the rest of his life in peace (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#46081609)

Just let him go home.

He's not coming back to the US anytime soon (4, Funny)

jandrese (485) | about 10 months ago | (#46081615)

At least not during this administration. Probably not during the next either, way too many entrenched political interests want to see him dead.

I can just see the return now.
Obama: Half of my cabinet wants to give you the Medal of Freedom, the other half wants you shot on the spot as a traitor. Maybe we should compromise and do both.

Re:He's not coming back to the US anytime soon (1)

odigity (266563) | about 10 months ago | (#46081929)

". . . Half of Earthforce wants to give you a kiss on the cheek and the medal of honor. The other half wants you taken out and shot. As a politician, you learn how to compromise...which by all rights means I should give you the medal of honor then have you shot."

                – Acting President Susanna Luchenko to Captain John Sheridan, 2261.

http://babylon5.wikia.com/wiki/Susanna_Luchenko

Re:He's not coming back to the US anytime soon (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#46081931)

Dang you. I posted the same thing, before I saw your post.

Or perhaps it's a reflection on Holder (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#46081625)

Eric Holder has bungled every bit of his responsibilities as the head of the DOJ, both legally and morally. It's no surprise that he wants to invert the legal process to pointlessly attempt to save face on behalf of the government.

After all, Snowden handed over the materials that he possessed. Love him or hate him, stopping "him" will do nothing to prevent the continued leaks and damages to US interests.

To be clear, Snowden does not deserve to be given a slap on the wrist. He has leaked some pretty damaging classified material that is not questionable in any way. The earliest leaks were most damning to the government, but the majority of leaks have been pretty damning to Snowden (not in terms of scale, but in terms of quantity).

Re:Or perhaps it's a reflection on Holder (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#46081691)

To be clear, Snowden does not deserve to be given a slap on the wrist.

Right. He deserves to be pardoned and awarded.

He has leaked some pretty damaging classified material that is not questionable in any way.

Well, I hope they do damage the government; they deserve it. I doubt that'll happen in any meaningful way, though.

I for one am glad Snowden decided to fill us in on the specifics of what our supposed 'representatives' are allowing to happen.

at this point (4, Insightful)

hypergreatthing (254983) | about 10 months ago | (#46081635)

a plea deal is not different than jailing him indefinitely. Basically it's stating please treat me the same way as Bradly Manning, keep on doing all the evil/illegal things you are currently doing and please do not jail any of the real traitors.
Whistle blowers are not committing crimes. They are just the messengers.

Re:at this point (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#46081801)

Whistle blowers are not committing crimes.

When classified documents are leaked, they are committing crimes. The obvious bit is that the next step should be to question whether the material should have ever been classified, as well as whether it should have ever occurred. Whether the public agrees or not, until such a time that both of those concepts are deemed to be in favor of the public, then there was a definite crime committed. In fact, even if it is after-the-fact unclassified, then it was still a crime.

Snowden released a lot of material that has nothing to do with eavesdropping on US citizens, and that's what changes him from a whistleblower to a traitor.

Re:at this point (2, Insightful)

allaunjsiIverfox2 (3506701) | about 10 months ago | (#46081907)

Snowden released a lot of material that has nothing to do with eavesdropping on US citizens, and that's what changes him from a whistleblower to a traitor.

No, it's not. As a US citizen, I believe people in other countries have a right to privacy. If you weren't a selfish and nationalistic, you'd believe so, too. Innocent people simply shouldn't be getting spied on; especially not allies. And no, the fact that "Everyone is doing it!" doesn't make it okay.

I'm thankful that Snowden revealed the specifics of the government's immoral activities to the public at large.

Re:at this point (0)

Shalaska (1964046) | about 10 months ago | (#46082009)

I agree, it is a rather dissenting opinion here on Slashdot but he even stated in an interview with the South China Morning Post that he only took the job in order to gain access to privileged information for the sole purpose of leaking classified information. Now maybe some of the information that he leaked shouldn't have been classified but as to the NSA breaking the law the courts have ruled that they were not. There is a big divide between being a whistle-blower and a traitor and I think he crossed that line significantly and should have the book thrown at him. Remember any clemency we give to this guy will result in more people thinking it is OK and possibly harming national security. Just because you don't agree with everything that is done to keep our nation safe does not mean that some of it isn't necessary and could result in meaningless deaths that could have been avoided.

Full Pardon. (5, Insightful)

dcollins (135727) | about 10 months ago | (#46081657)

Full Pardon. Presidential Medal of Freedom. Full stop.

(a) It's time to highlight the oft-neglected Presidential power of pardon and what it's meant to be used for. (b) The Obama White House contact webpage still claims that "President Obama is committed to creating the most open and accessible administration in American history." It's time put up or shut up on that BS.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/contact [whitehouse.gov]

Nobel Peace Prize (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#46081667)

Maybe Obama can give him his, since he's not using it.

Re:Nobel Peace Prize (1)

jmd (14060) | about 10 months ago | (#46081781)

Hahaha.. that is beautiful

A Nobel Prize (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#46081669)

A Nobel Prize.

Alylum (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#46081679)

... if he was forced to return, thanks to the Russians kicking him out and no other country willing to give him asylum ...

Other countries have offered to give him asylum, but the US has bullied them into denying it to him. A country willing to intimidate other countries that way that isn't going to do much in the way of not treating the guy as the worst of all criminals.

a medal, parade, money and a house not next to jus (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#46081681)

all signed all pardon letters signed by Obama live on Cnn

minute he lands behead him in time square and put his head on a pike next to his entire families heads as a warning to all traitors and. spies everywhere - not joking - hope he enjoys the rest of his life in a back water called Russia who can not even make a decent stealth fighter - he should spied for china at least he could get better living conditions - he , his parents, grand parents are a family of traitors

No deal at all (5, Funny)

GlobalEcho (26240) | about 10 months ago | (#46081707)

This guy cost the government untold fortunes -- not only in dollars but in goodwill. He poisoned relationships with the international community, undermined the confidence of the citizenry in our institutions and ignored the democratic process. He should be in jail, no question.

Oh, whoops! I thought you were asking about Dick Cheney!

Re:No deal at all (1)

pixelpusher220 (529617) | about 10 months ago | (#46081821)

well played Sir, well played :)

Re:No deal at all (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#46081823)

Hmm, so the concept is that it's OK for a government to act as a dick as long as nobody knows about it. That's how North Korea works, isn't it?

Re:No deal at all (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#46081893)

no, the concept is that it is ok to act as a dick as long as you're with/part of the establishment.

Re:No deal at all (1)

ThatsDrDangerToYou (3480047) | about 10 months ago | (#46081833)

This guy cost the government untold fortunes -- not only in dollars but in goodwill. He poisoned relationships with the international community, undermined the confidence of the citizenry in our institutions and ignored the democratic process. He should be in jail, no question.

Oh, whoops! I thought you were asking about Dick Cheney!

Well played sir!

I consider myself nominally an Obama supporter (like what other choices do we really have?), but what happens to Snowden will be a huge factor in my final judgement of Obama's legacy. Whose side is/was he on in the end? The established power structure or the people?

Lots of things (5, Funny)

ravenswood1000 (543817) | about 10 months ago | (#46081721)

He deserves a full pardon, nobel prize, ignobal prize, several million dollars, some firm handshakes and "atta boys" and the job as CEO at Microsoft.

Re:Lots of things (5, Funny)

pixelpusher220 (529617) | about 10 months ago | (#46081827)

and the job as CEO at Microsoft

You evil evil bastard. Have you no compassion in your soul?

Re:Lots of things (1)

oodaloop (1229816) | about 10 months ago | (#46081983)

And after that, let him run for the office of his choice. He'll have my vote.

A fucking medal. (5, Insightful)

therealkevinkretz (1585825) | about 10 months ago | (#46081743)

that's what.

Presidency? (3, Interesting)

Celtic Ferret (1336711) | about 10 months ago | (#46081755)

I wonder if Mr. Snowden, with an appropriate team of advisors, would have the skill required to lead the United States onto a moral path? I'm unaware of his management/administration qualifications, but he certainly has the high ground. The bug would certainly be in the "appropriate team of advisors" departments, and I'm afraid he'd end up like JFK.
--CF

Re:Presidency? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#46081855)

What high ground? He took the job with the intent to leak mountains of classified information.

That's different from hearing about a program that you are morally against, and then reporting on it. He did not even know about what he was leaking until after he had already taken it (and there's no proof that he even looked at what he leaked before handing it over to reporters, particularly considering some of the legitimate things that have come out).

Re:Presidency? (2)

allaunjsiIverfox2 (3506701) | about 10 months ago | (#46082037)

What high ground? He took the job with the intent to leak mountains of classified information.

What difference does that make? None. He still revealed the government's immoral and unconstitutional activities.

(and there's no proof that he even looked at what he leaked before handing it over to reporters, particularly considering some of the legitimate things that have come out).

And no proof he didn't, you child molester, you.

Polonium (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#46081757)

The man sold out his government, and I'm guessing whether he comes back or not, we have ways to deal with traitors. Subtle or not so much.

Let us not forget... (5, Interesting)

jmd (14060) | about 10 months ago | (#46081761)

The other whistleblowers. Manning, Assange, Jeremy Hammond..etc etc.

Whether or not you like their methods these people are effectively doing the same thing. Uncovering and making known actions of the US (and other gov'ts) that are in direct conflict with humanity and the exisiting legal framework.

Avoid USA - the New North Korea on north continent (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#46081769)

Present USA is continuation of STASI Germany and Stalin's Russia. Avoid at all cost.
It hard not to notice government security forces all over cities, cameras, security in schools, kindergartens and grocery stores.

All dictators look with envy at the amount of spying on citizens, censorship and "living in cage" style of life in the USA.

A free ticket to the Sochi Olympics... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#46081771)

Here - sit next to the woman with the backpack wearing the scarf. Enjoy your freedom Eddie....

This is what the United States has come to: (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#46081775)

Guilty until proven innocent.

Meanwhile, the world has put the US on trial for failing to live up to the US constitution, which--thanks to its strong merits--has become the world's de facto constitution.

Strange reversal.

Guilty. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#46081783)

Spock: Guilty party has his choice. Death by electrocution, death by gas, death by phaser, death by hanging...

The Intelligence community are the traitors (2)

kheldan (1460303) | about 10 months ago | (#46081793)

Snowden uncovered crimes being committed on a daily basis against the citizens of the United States, and knowing that his own chain of command was just as guilty and would silence him (probably permanently) he took it upon himself to make these crimes known to the world, and did so at the ultimate personal risk: His life. Don't sit there and tell me that at some point, they considered sending someone after him to kill him. Regardless he's now an exile. If you ask me, he deserves a medal for what he did, but I'd be just as happy if they left the man alone.

Holder needs to be impeached (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#46081799)

Holder needs to be impeached considering he approved the NSA data collection in the first place. The fact that he preemptively seizes the text messages of 14 year old girls in the event they may be needed to prosecute them 2 years later is a violation of the constitution... beyond of course the perversion of the motive. Why the Koch Brothers aren't screaming for this is beyond me. Snowden deserves a Nobel and Obama the gallows.

Maybe you're asking the wrong question (5, Interesting)

i_want_you_to_throw_ (559379) | about 10 months ago | (#46081805)

It's always the same: "What does Edward Snowden deserve?". How about "what should we do about NSA's over reach?". Lost in this discussion seems to be any kind of seriousness about reigning in NSA. At least in the 70s when the CIA was caught engineering coups they had to have congressional oversight placed upon them.

A fair and fully open trial (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#46081819)

A fair and fully open trial, something he would not be afforded here in the US.
So with that in mind, a pardon some years down the line would do nicely, any deal offered by the US at this point though can not, and should not be trusted.

As long he stays within USA, (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#46081829)

he is dead man walking. Ed, stay away from The Axis of Evil! USA-GB-Izrael-AUT-NZ.

He Deserves His Rights (5, Insightful)

CanHasDIY (1672858) | about 10 months ago | (#46081837)

He deserves his right to speak freely without fear of government retribution.

He deserves his right to a fair and speedy trial, by a jury of his peers.

He deserves his right to face his accusers, the accusations they make, and the evidence being presented against him.

He deserves his right (and duty) to out traitors to the American People, so they may be tried for their crimes as well.

Unfortunately, the government authorized by the Constitution doesn't seem to agree with anything the aforementioned document says, so neither Snowden, nor the traitors, nor any of the rest of us will be getting what he/they/we deserve.

So it goes, as Vonnegut would say.

what does he deserve? what do we deserve? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#46081845)

with a fairytail history of free land freeloader acquisition by force it's a good thing violent 'punishment' has gone obsolete. each our own reward as we continue to point our crooked little fingers any one of us deserves better http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=scott%20olsen&sm=3 certainly some of us? more 'judges' than crooks (even crooked judges) for sure now

Snowden better stay in Russia (1)

FudRucker (866063) | about 10 months ago | (#46081861)

or sneak in to some other Asian nation that does not sympathize with the BigBrother Orwellian police state the US Govt morphed in to, Hey Snowden if you can read this please stay away from the USA for your own safety because those lieing thieving murdering scum that call themselves a government will more than likely kill you or put you in a prison for life if you come back here

This article sponored by the NSA. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#46081887)

You Snowden fans! You're all going on the watchlist!

Re:This article sponored by the NSA. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#46081965)

We're already on the watchlist. So are you.

Civil Vigilante (3, Interesting)

SirLoper (827094) | about 10 months ago | (#46081897)

He did the right things, but in the wrong way. No matter his intentions or the results, both of which are good, it doesn't change the fact that he broke the law. My opinion on this would be to acknowledge that he broke several laws, including espionage and other serious offenses, but keep his punishment light (as in non-existent) an call it "time served" for whatever incarceration/detention is needed to get his case in front of a judge that agrees to rule like this. We need to be careful not to praise the acts only because the results were good. Certainly the current whistle-blower laws need heavy reform; they can take that into consideration when handing down sentencing.

Re:Civil Vigilante (1)

FudRucker (866063) | about 10 months ago | (#46081939)

he should have figured out a way to leak that info anonymously so the government could not figure out who did it

Death (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#46081915)

And a posthumous medal.

You can't forgive the bad for the good he did (1, Insightful)

GodfatherofSoul (174979) | about 10 months ago | (#46081927)

Yes, he revealed some shady intelligence gathering programs the US was running against its own people, but he also went out of his way to dump information on programs we were running against foreign entities. Had he stuck to the former, I'd consider him a hero and would support a full pardon.

But, when you run off to our biggest political rivals and tell the world the details of how we spy, you're violating the whistleblower's code of ethics to minimize injury. And, for what purpose did it serve? It did nothing to help the American people.

It's not what he did, but how he did it (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#46081941)

Fuck him. He committed treason and deserves to be executed. Now I know a whole bunch of idiots are going to whine and bitch about how he was doing it for the good of blah, blah, blah, so I'm going to take a moment here to tell you why you're wrong.

First, he handed over American secrets to foreigners. It's not like there aren't any American news organizations to leaked things to. Even if it's an allied state, it's still a treasonous act. This fact alone is enough to make what he did treason.

Now let's talk about his motives. He could have selected particular pieces of evidence and leaked those. That would have been more than enough to prove his point. Instead, he took a huge data dump and handed it over without any thought to what it contained or the consequences or releasing that info. Even if this were just out of pure laziness, it's completely irresponsible and shows he doesn't really give a shit.

And then there's the whole attention thing. When Deep Throat leaked the info about Watergate, he did it anonymously. It was legitimately because he felt that he needed to do something for the good of the country. Snowden did it for the fame. Boo hoo, he had to leave the country. So what? Now he's living on someone else's dime, doing interviews and other talks all over the world. He didn't give a shit about what the NSA was doing; he only cared about what it would get him.

A proper whistleblower could have exposed the worst offenses of the NSA anonymously and without unnecessarily exposing additional national secrets. He could have made the point without making himself into a circus act. Deep Throat did it right, so it's not like there wasn't any precedent. Edward Snowden is nothing but a self-serving douchebag who deserves the punishment that faces all traitors.

Re:It's not what he did, but how he did it (1)

allaunjsiIverfox2 (3506701) | about 10 months ago | (#46081987)

The only traitors here are those in the government, not messengers who inform the public of the government's misdeeds or unconstitutional activities.

glass cages for WMD on credit genociders (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#46081953)

so we really do not forget again.. results never vary so far http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mk9mV8qBiEk these are some of us 'winners'

What Everyone is entitled to (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#46081961)

trial.

unpopular view: Treason, Jail. For him, and Obama (-1, Troll)

exabrial (818005) | about 10 months ago | (#46081997)

Both guilty of Treason, failure to protect the constitution and deserve 10 lifetimes in jail. I have no doubt his actions will cost millions of human lives over the next 50 years.

The real problem is the American people and electing a president that is nothing more than a celebrity. Obama knew all this was happening, and was willfully complicit to let the government violate our rights. Unfortunate the hippies and liberals can't look past their retarded drum protests to bring Obama to justice for letting the government violate our rights (spying, without due process/warrants) and Snowden, for being so irresponsible in the way he revealed what was happening.

The Presidency (5, Funny)

camperdave (969942) | about 10 months ago | (#46082013)

Make him the President, then he can see how much it costs to put up with people of his ilk. On the flip side, we'll find out the truth about the Kennedy assassination, Roswell, and Area 51.

Seriously? A medal, pardon, job as head of the NSA (1)

speckman (2511208) | about 10 months ago | (#46082017)

I am seriously surprised every time I find out a real person, not some federal talking head, thinks Snowden is a traitor. Seriously? How dumb do you have to be? I guess that's my own opinion, but wow, you gotta be seriously ignorant of how the constitution works and like what it means to blow a whistle to believe the feds when they say this guy is a traitor. It just boggles my mind that anyone would frame the question like this question was framed. When I read that kind of crap on other sites, it's a sure sign that the writer is a seriously conservative idiot who doesn't know how to step outside the patriotism above all mindset, or abandon the government-never-lies delusion.

I sure hope anyone who still loves Obama is paying attention to the cognitive dissonance of all the feds saying Snowden is a traitor, while it's pretty obvious Snowden wasn't a traitor. Kinda looks like the business, B.S. as usual government-model I know and love.

All opinion, of course, but I'm definitely not wrong. :)

final plea (1)

Rich_Lather (925834) | about 10 months ago | (#46082021)

This is the final option offered up by the government before they send the Seals to go get him.

British citizenship (1)

CdBee (742846) | about 10 months ago | (#46082041)

And an O.B.E for services to humanity
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