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Skinny Puppy Wants Compensation For Music Used in US Interrogations

timothy posted about 10 months ago | from the no-need-to-argue-whether-it's-torture dept.

Canada 271

First time accepted submitter time_lords_almanac writes "A Canadian band has sent an invoice to the U.S. Department of Defense after learning that its music was used without permission in 'interrogations' of detainees at Guantanamo Bay. The members of Skinny Puppy, who specialize in electronic music, were originally going to make the invoice the cover of their next album until they discovered they could bring legal action against the department. They were also none to happy to learn the purpose their music was being employed for, let alone illegally. The amount of compensation requested? $666,000, of course."

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Forget the music. Use the Slashdot Beta! (5, Insightful)

east coast (590680) | about 10 months ago | (#46174157)

It'll drive people out of their minds and since Slashdot won't have any users it will be easy to access.

On a more serious note, I see Skinny Puppy's billing of the government to be a sign that they condone the use of their music in such a way. I know that's not true but a C&D letter would have been a much better political statement.

Still, boycott the Beta. Fight Dice.

Re:Forget the music. Use the Slashdot Beta! (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#46174243)

I'm "none to happy" about Beta.

Re:Forget the music. Use the Slashdot Beta! (5, Funny)

hawkinspeter (831501) | about 10 months ago | (#46174289)

I'm still using "classic" slashdot and haven't tried the beta version. Has anyone got an opinion about the beta version?

Re:Forget the music. Use the Slashdot Beta! (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#46174483)

Beta hides details of dates and times, user ids, post ids etc.

Seems like it is designed for the sort of people who are afraid of "ugly numbers" and can't handle technical information unlike real slashdotters.

So if you see Beta, go do something else for a few hours, repeat till you get "Classic". Or just give up on Slashdot.

Re:Forget the music. Use the Slashdot Beta! (5, Informative)

Applehu Akbar (2968043) | about 10 months ago | (#46174713)

On my planet, all we do is scroll down to the bottom of the main page and click "Use Classic."

Re: Forget the music. Use the Slashdot Beta! (2)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#46174795)

On my planet, we have a small script do that for us.

Re:Forget the music. Use the Slashdot Beta! (0)

dmbasso (1052166) | about 10 months ago | (#46174595)

The moderators (who modded you troll) and the AC above couldn't see the obvious humor in your post... I wonder if the beta is affecting their minds.

Re:Forget the music. Use the Slashdot Beta! (0)

hawkinspeter (831501) | about 10 months ago | (#46174779)

Yeah - I should have been modded off-topic rather than a troll, but I've got plenty of karma to burn (and some of my troll posts don't get marked as troll so it's all swings and roundabouts).

Re:Forget the music. Use the Slashdot Beta! (2, Informative)

camperdave (969942) | about 10 months ago | (#46174705)

I'm still using "classic" slashdot and haven't tried the beta version. Has anyone got an opinion about the beta version?

You can't see how your own comments are moderated without drilling down to them.
You can't see if your message has been replied to without drilling down to it.
You can't quote the message you're replying to.
The comment subject is not autofilled.

Re:Forget the music. Use the Slashdot Beta! (2)

camperdave (969942) | about 10 months ago | (#46174823)

Also, you can't see any comments in the polls.

Re:Forget the music. Use the Slashdot Beta! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#46174513)

Ahhh, slashdotters show their true colors...

The colors of whiney children. You don't like the changes? Then go somewhere else. Sticking around whining about it just shows that the changes are not bad enough to drive you away, which means there's no reason to stop making them.

Re:Forget the music. Use the Slashdot Beta! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#46174579)

Slashdot is its community. We're not going anywhere else yet, because there's still a chance to preserve the community.
If the suits avert the disaster, we'll see where the community is on the 17th.
Otherwise, goodbye forever.

Re:Forget the music. Use the Slashdot Beta! (5, Insightful)

east coast (590680) | about 10 months ago | (#46174727)

Don't like my whining? Then go whine somewhere else!

Re:Forget the music. Use the Slashdot Beta! (1, Insightful)

allcoolnameswheretak (1102727) | about 10 months ago | (#46174517)

Can we get over it already? The beta look is not that bad. If you don't like it, there are browser plugins you can use to change the look. Or, less talk, more action, GTFO. I'm tired of scrolling through pages of Beta nagging and filtering actual comments from all the bitching.

Re:Forget the music. Use the Slashdot Beta! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#46174577)

Where do you live, I want to set up a crack den next door. Don't like it? GTFO.

Re:Forget the music. Use the Slashdot Beta! (5, Interesting)

OzPeter (195038) | about 10 months ago | (#46174607)

Can we get over it already? The beta look is not that bad. If you don't like it, there are browser plugins you can use to change the look. Or, less talk, more action, GTFO. I'm tired of scrolling through pages of Beta nagging and filtering actual comments from all the bitching.

No we can't get over it. And no a plugin will not fix what is fundamentally wrong with the Beta. And the reason that you are scrolling through all those comments is because the corporate overloads will not listen to valid criticisms about the short comings of the Beta site

Re:Forget the music. Use the Slashdot Beta! (-1, Flamebait)

east coast (590680) | about 10 months ago | (#46174801)

I'm tired of scrolling through pages of Beta nagging and filtering actual comments from all the bitching.

Can we get over it already? The nagging is not that bad. If you don't like it, there are other sites you can go to. Or, less talk more action, GTFO. I'm tired of scrolling through pages of whiner nagging and filtering actual comments from all the bitching's bitching.

Re:Forget the music. Use the Slashdot Beta! (4, Informative)

AmiMoJo (196126) | about 10 months ago | (#46174535)

Hopefully their complaint does include a C&D clause, but they are also entitled to fair compensation for the past unauthorised use of their work.

Re:Forget the music. Use the Slashdot Beta! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#46174699)

I see Skinny Puppy's billing of the government to be a sign that they condone the use of their music in such a way

In this age of the starving musician, any additional audience is a good audience. Besides, perhaps some of those interrogations resulted new fans and an artist proud of his or hers art wants to represent it to as many people as possible. Who knows, perhaps as a payback the organizations associated with those captured people who are actually terrorists play Uzbek love songs to captured service members, in accordance with the pattern. =:)

Re:Forget the music. Use the Slashdot Beta! (5, Funny)

gmuslera (3436) | about 10 months ago | (#46174721)

There are rumors that now Guantanamo Bay prisoners are forced to use Slashdot Beta. This madness must stop, they are human beings after all.

Save money, use Slashdot Beta instead! (5, Funny)

TheNastyInThePasty (2382648) | about 10 months ago | (#46174167)

The government should start using Slashdot Beta instead of music to torture detainees. Just sit them down in a room with a computer that can't go to any website except Slashdot Beta. They wouldn't last 5 minutes. I know I couldn't.

IRC - #slashdot-refugees (on FreeNode) (1)

Pav (4298) | about 10 months ago | (#46174905)

For those who know how to use an IRC client go to #slashdot-refugees on FreeNode. If you don't, use this handy web client [freenode.net] and join anyway. :) Commiserate and/or make plans in case this situation goes horribly wrong. :-/

Surely (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#46174181)

Should have been $666,666 two numbers of the beast.

Oh and Fuck Beta.

Re:Surely (5, Funny)

HappyPsycho (1724746) | about 10 months ago | (#46174245)

$666,999?

Ying-yang number of the beast.

Re:Surely (1)

dmbasso (1052166) | about 10 months ago | (#46174621)

The beast sucking its own genitals?

Re:Surely (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#46174587)

What if that number is really supposed to be six to the sixth power to the sixth power?
Much fatter check...

Beta... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#46174183)

...sucks.

Captcha: attest

Now thats a performance... (5, Insightful)

Nightbrood (6060) | about 10 months ago | (#46174199)

So are they considering interrogations a "performance" that needs to be licensed? I'm sure the guys in black vans will show up shortly to assist them.

fuckbeta

Re:Now thats a performance... (4, Insightful)

gstoddart (321705) | about 10 months ago | (#46174273)

So are they considering interrogations a "performance" that needs to be licensed?

And this would be different from playing it in a bar how?

Unless there is an explicit exemption in copyright law which says "except during interrogations", the copyright laws as bought by the media lobby still apply.

If we can be sued by the copyright holders for crap like this, I fail to see why it should be any different for the feds.

Re:Now thats a performance... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#46174499)

If they're so bad the government uses their music to torture people I'm not sure there are many bars that would let them play...

Re:Now thats a performance... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#46174603)

In Canada you are supposed to pay artists for using their music in bars and other venues. If you are listening to it via radio, then the radio station is paying for it. But, if you put on someone's CD, you are required to pay them for using their music.

Re:Now thats a performance... (1)

AmiMoJo (196126) | about 10 months ago | (#46174685)

There was a story on Slashdot Japan yesterday about the Japanese rights agency chasing people for using music at weddings. These guys have no shame or morals, you play you pay.

Also, my isn't the beta site shit. Don't forget to boycott it.

Re:Now thats a performance... (1)

Nightbrood (6060) | about 10 months ago | (#46174725)

lol. I would completely agree with you but the Feds always think the rules apply to us and not them. I doubt we will see a precedent shift here since the band's request for remuneration obviously has political tones to the damage "calculation." Plus, I don't know if I would *want* people to know the Feds considered my music so horrendous that it would induce severe mental stress.

Re:Now thats a performance... (5, Informative)

gstoddart (321705) | about 10 months ago | (#46174789)

Plus, I don't know if I would *want* people to know the Feds considered my music so horrendous that it would induce severe mental stress.

You know, if you play anything loud enough and long enough, you will induce severe mental distress.

And, before you get all smug, here's [blogspot.ca] the playlist they used outside of Manuel Noriega's compound to drive him crazy:

(You've Got) Another Thing Coming - Judas Priest
Blue Collar Man - Styx
Danger Zone - Kenny Loggins
Dead Man's Party - Oingo Boingo
Don't Look Back - Boston
Electric Spanking of War Babies - Funkadelic
Heaven's On Fire - Kiss
If I Had A Rocket Launcher - Bruce Cockburn
In My Time of Dying - Led Zeppelin
Iron Man - Black Sabbath
Judgment Day - Whitesnake
Jungle Love - Steve Miller
No More Mister Nice Guy - Alice Cooper
Paradise City - Guns & Roses
Panama - Van Halen
Paranoid - Black Sabbath
Refugee - Tom Petty
Renegade - Styx
Run Like Hell - Pink Floyd
The Party's Over - Journey
This Means War - Joan Jett
Wanted Dead or Alive - Bon Jovi
Wanted Man - Ratt
War Pigs - Black Sabbath
We're Not Gonna Take It - Twisted Sister
You Shook Me All Night Long - AC/DC
Your Time is Gonna Come - Led Zeppelin

If you like any of those bands, get over yourself.

Re:Now thats a performance... (2)

Sponge Bath (413667) | about 10 months ago | (#46174901)

Run Like Hell - Pink Floyd

I cry for the missed opportunities. They should have used Echoes or One of These Days I'm Going to Cut You Into Little Pieces.

Re:Now thats a performance... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#46174817)

Its not that they think the music is bad, but that it is culturally different from what the detainees are used to. Same reason they show them nekked pictures etc.

Re:Now thats a performance... (2)

Registered Coward v2 (447531) | about 10 months ago | (#46174771)

So are they considering interrogations a "performance" that needs to be licensed?

And this would be different from playing it in a bar how?

Unless there is an explicit exemption in copyright law which says "except during interrogations", the copyright laws as bought by the media lobby still apply.

If we can be sued by the copyright holders for crap like this, I fail to see why it should be any different for the feds.

I guess they could claim an exemption under this part of the US copyright code:

(A) the performance or display is made by, at the direction of, or under the actual supervision of an instructor as an integral part of a class session offered as a regular part of the systematic mediated instructional activities of a governmental body or an accredited nonprofit educational institution;

Re:Now thats a performance... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#46174783)

The difference is...

If you get sued by the copyright holders, you have to fork over a lot of money for the infractions.

Whereas, if the Feds get sued by the copyright holders, you have to fork over a lot of money for the infractions.

Re:Now thats a performance... (1)

slapout (93640) | about 10 months ago | (#46174813)

Except a bar is usually open to the (legal drinking age) public. To me this would seem to be more a private performance (like playing the music at a party you only invited your friends to). As long as the government paid for the music I don't think the band has a case. Of course, the band could be just using this to make a public statement.

Re:Now thats a performance... (2)

bws111 (1216812) | about 10 months ago | (#46174965)

Not really that hard to figure out. Here is what the US copyright law gives copyright holders:

Subject to sections 107 through 122, the owner of copyright under this title has the exclusive rights to do and to authorize any of the following:

(1) to reproduce the copyrighted work in copies or phonorecords;

(2) to prepare derivative works based upon the copyrighted work;

(3) to distribute copies or phonorecords of the copyrighted work to the public by sale or other transfer of ownership, or by rental, lease, or lending;

(4) in the case of literary, musical, dramatic, and choreographic works, pantomimes, and motion pictures and other audiovisual works, to perform the copyrighted work publicly;

(5) in the case of literary, musical, dramatic, and choreographic works, pantomimes, and pictorial, graphic, or sculptural works, including the individual images of a motion picture or other audiovisual work, to display the copyrighted work publicly; and

(6) in the case of sound recordings, to perform the copyrighted work publicly by means of a digital audio transmission.

And here is the definition of 'publicly' from the US copyright law:

To perform or display a work “publicly” means—

(1) to perform or display it at a place open to the public or at any place where a substantial number of persons outside of a normal circle of a family and its social acquaintances is gathered

So, the right that is being infringed is 'perfom the work publicly'. A bar clearly falls under the definition of 'publicly', while it would be very difficult to claim that an interrogation room falls under that definition.

Re:Now thats a performance... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#46174279)

So are they considering interrogations a "performance" that needs to be licensed? I'm sure the guys in black vans will show up shortly to assist them.

fuckbeta

Well if playing the radio in an office is as some in the content mafia claim that is their office setting.

And Scull Fuck Beta.

BETA (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#46174207)

FUCK IT
fuck beta

fuckedy fuck beta

But seriously. Fuck Beta,

Buck Feta (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#46174209)

F
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Captcha: fuckbeta

Re:Buck Feta (4, Funny)

ThatsDrDangerToYou (3480047) | about 10 months ago | (#46174753)

Hey, I love feta you insensitive clod!

Re:Buck Feta (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#46174829)

And fuck Captcha too.

Buck Feta (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#46174211)

Slashdot Beta is horrible. They should kill it before readers go away.

Is that yer best shot? God gonna squish you. (1)

TempleOS (3394245) | about 10 months ago | (#46174217)

C:\TAD\Text\TALMUD.TXT you did not follow the rule of Hillel." In the Gemara to this passage Rabbi Yochanan says, "The words of the scribes are more highly valued than the words of the law, for, as Rabbi Yuda remarks, 'If Rabbi Tarphon had not read the Shema at all he would only have broken a positive command,' but since he transgressed the rule of Hillel he was guilty of death, for it is written, 'He who breaks down a hedge (the Rabbinic hedge to the law, of course), a serpent shall bite

Everyone reads the comments, idiots (1, Offtopic)

i kan reed (749298) | about 10 months ago | (#46174225)

Dear slashdot editors, everyone reads the comments, we know you're not letting beta articles through the firehose. Letting non-stories like this through instead don't help your case, it just makes you look like manipulators.

Re:Everyone reads the comments, idiots (3, Insightful)

Antipater (2053064) | about 10 months ago | (#46174337)

Even Hugh Pickens' submission today was about Beta. The widespread and general crowd-hate may have been passed off by Dice as just groupthink and circlejerking, like the rage when Facebook changes up profile settings. But now that the site's most prolific/published submitter has threatened to leave, I hope that at least gives them pause.

Re:Everyone reads the comments, idiots (2)

i kan reed (749298) | about 10 months ago | (#46174581)

Ha. They don't see a userbase made of people, they see ad revenue levels.

Stop Slashdot Beta (2)

aliquis (678370) | about 10 months ago | (#46174229)

you insensitive clod!

Buck Feta (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#46174231)

Somebody seems to be moderating down these comments a lot. Dice better wise up and not ignore its readers.

Write to their shareholders (1)

Sowelu (713889) | about 10 months ago | (#46174327)

The Dice site has a link where you can do that. ...god, on my mobile device, the compose box is only eight letters wide.

money amount (0)

schneidafunk (795759) | about 10 months ago | (#46174237)

How can they justify $666,000? I thought there were legal limits to what you can charge and based on evidence you could say they owe x amount for the number of infringements.

Re:money amount (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#46174549)

Perhaps, just maybe, they're trying to *make a point*.

Re:money amount (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#46174857)

You don't know much about the music business do you? Did you know that there was once a lawsuit claiming in damages more money than actually exists on the planet? 666000 Would be a very small sum for a music lawsuit.

Beta woes (5, Insightful)

bartyboy (99076) | about 10 months ago | (#46174239)

I'm a long-time reader but rarely log in these days. I made an exception to voice my displeasure at the beta version of Slashdot. The new layout wastes space and moves the comments to the background.

I, along with many others, come here for the comments. If the beta is the default design, I will stop coming here. I imagine many others will do the same.

Your move, Slashdot.

Re:Beta woes (2, Interesting)

schneidafunk (795759) | about 10 months ago | (#46174379)

Am I the only one that still gets classic by default?

Re:Beta woes (1)

JeanCroix (99825) | about 10 months ago | (#46174501)

I don't know how, but I'm still getting it by default as well. I imagine that someone, somewhere, is desperately working to change that.

Re:Beta woes (1)

advid.net (595837) | about 10 months ago | (#46174509)

No me too.

But today came a big nag box telling me MOVIN’ ON UP., etc

And when I deliberatly go to beta version, it's completly broken, the page doesn't seem to render, it half-way displayed (html and some pictures, no css).

Re:Beta woes (3, Informative)

AmiMoJo (196126) | about 10 months ago | (#46174653)

I get classic by default as well, but the apocalypse is coming...

Fuck beta.

Re:Beta woes (1)

oodaloop (1229816) | about 10 months ago | (#46174791)

Some of us still get classic... for now .

Re:Beta woes (1)

koreanbabykilla (305807) | about 10 months ago | (#46174863)

I am still getting classic by default as well.

BETA made me do it! (1, Offtopic)

Rastafario (1083239) | about 10 months ago | (#46174249)

I am a long slashdot member, I don't usually post comments as I prefer reading them, but one look at the new BETA site caused me to break my habit.

The new BETA sucks shit!
- I've been a frequent visitor to Reddit, I don't go there anymore after their version 4 redesign which was as bad as the new Slashdot BETA!
- I've been forced to read Slashdot through this abomination of a mobile version of the site on my tablet. Thankfully I've been able to revert to Slashdot classic.
- If I am forced to read slashdot through this unholy thing that is the BETA, I will do Reddit and stop reading Slashdot altogether.

So, seriously FUCK BETA

I am fully prepared to join the boycott that is planned for February 10-17, please KILL BETA.

Slashdot Users Want Compensation For Using Beta (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#46174251)

This beta is worse than gitmo

illegally? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#46174253)

Illegally? Prove it. Immorally? That I can see.

I am Slashdot (1, Offtopic)

OzPeter (195038) | about 10 months ago | (#46174285)

I submit stories. I read stories. I add comments. I moderate comments. I am the reason that there is ad revenue.

I am Slashdot.

Re:I am Slashdot (1)

dmbasso (1052166) | about 10 months ago | (#46174723)

I see you're enjoying the opportunity to tell us that you're butt-ugly and handicapped.

Re:I am Slashdot (1)

OzPeter (195038) | about 10 months ago | (#46174811)

I see you're enjoying the opportunity to tell us that you're butt-ugly and handicapped.

But apparently not everyone wants to see that the emperor has no clothes .. I'm down to "0: off topic" right now!

They want compensation (-1, Offtopic)

nospam007 (722110) | about 10 months ago | (#46174299)

We want Beta to die a horrible death.

Practical Advice[Fuck Beta] (1, Offtopic)

mrpacmanjel (38218) | about 10 months ago | (#46174305)

For the time being you can do this: www.slashdot.org?nobeta=1

Make you voice heard here:
http://beta.slashdot.org/fireh [slashdot.org] ...

To quote Steve Jobs (rip) - "..and one more thing.."

FUCK BETA

Cut off NSA and CIA net access (1, Offtopic)

mtrachtenberg (67780) | about 10 months ago | (#46174353)

Any organization involved in this blatant piracy should have, at the least, a one year ban on internet access. The only issue is who can enforce the punishment.

Why must this be{ta}? (5, Informative)

LaminatorX (410794) | about 10 months ago | (#46174361)

I've been here since 2001. It used to be a great site, and even in its latter days it remains a good one.

The changes in this new interface are destructive to the culture of this community, particularly the removal of sigs and uid#s. It is the commenting community that makes this site special. Ignoring that is a gigantic mistake.

The changes in this new interface are technically ill-concieved, requiting javascript, loading a bzillion comments but not displaying them, not supporting link markup.

The changes in the new interface are sketchy from a design standpoint. They are what, optimizing for tablets? Isn't there already a (also crappy, but at least optional) mobile site for that?

Please slashdot, don't do this.

I will be joining in the Slashcott from Feb 10-Feb 17. It will be the longest I've been off the site since I was hospitalized after an accident in 2007. Hopefully I'll be back, but maybe not. We'll see.

Re:Why must this be{ta}? (1)

N1AK (864906) | about 10 months ago | (#46174691)

particularly the removal of sigs and uid#s

What does a UID tell you aside from how long ago that account was created? There's plenty of stupid posts on here by people with low IDs and plenty of insightful posts by people with new IDs, if publishing ID numbers does anything at all then it is that is makes age of account into a measure of the validity of your opinion which is something we'd be better off without in my opinion.

I wasn't overly impressed by Beta but given the amount of immature bitching, not referring to your post here which makes valid points maturely, I wish they'd just get on with the change and either /. will die or, hopefully, the whiners will fuck off.

Re:Why must this be{ta}? (4, Insightful)

LaminatorX (410794) | about 10 months ago | (#46174819)

Speaking for myself, the uid tells me about the shared context that users have. I'll have some idea what events we were both around for, what in-jokes we'll both get, and so on. It's a cultural signifier in the same way that graduating classes and the like can be.

For those who are way low, it tells me that they're they're the sort of people who were here before discussion boards were mainstream. That doesn't make old-timers inherently wise or whatever, but I'll pay a little more attention to what they have to say on that basis.

Re:Why must this be{ta}? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#46174981)

particularly the removal of sigs and uid#s

What does a UID tell you aside from how long ago that account was created?

How else will the SlashElders measure their e-penis?

Ironic? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#46174373)

Am I alone in seeing the irony that the US government is the worlds biggest advocate for tougher "copy-write" and "IP laws" with larger fines yet gets sued for infractions?

If you're going to use Canadian music for torture (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#46174387)

I would think that Celine Dion or Justin Bieber would be much more effective at breaking the will of even the most stanchly determined Jihadists.

Re:If you're going to use Canadian music for tortu (1)

der_joachim (590045) | about 10 months ago | (#46174923)

Don't forget Phil Collins!

Torture (5, Funny)

SenorPez (840621) | about 10 months ago | (#46174391)

I'm pretty sure using Slashdot Beta violates some part of the Geneva Conventions.

Re:Torture (1)

deadweight (681827) | about 10 months ago | (#46174493)

Beta is not as bad as chlorine, but worse than mustard gas. Or IOW, not as bad as getting both eyes gouged out but on level with maybe one eye, a nose, and both legs.

blah blah blah (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#46174479)

These days websites are getting worse and worse just to please the eye with all the eye candy and this is true with the slashdot beta which feels cumbersome, confusing. Original slashdot is simple, straightforward, and just plain easy to navigate.

So if somebody entertains their guests(friends, family) at home with music or movies, should they also pay royalties to these record companies,bands, or movie producers? Or should the detainees have the right to sue this band for listening to their tortures music?

Beta schmeta (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#46174511)

Any suggestions for where to migrate/fork this site when the inevitable happens? Only reason why I read Slashdot is the comments (and by definition, the community behind them)

Beta read, then dead. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#46174541)

'Nuff said.

Beta problem (0)

aepervius (535155) | about 10 months ago | (#46174575)

In the old version the title of post were in green background, easy to read. New version it is in white background => they should change that because it makes it hard. There are a few kink here and there (can't click on the comment moderationand see the history easily so far as i can see), but I find the new version not "too bad". Just a question of getting user to it.

Re:Beta problem (2)

vux984 (928602) | about 10 months ago | (#46174867)

No its shit. The first 3 stores are in that idiotic banner. With no summary... so if you want to read the first 3 summaries you have to click on each story.

Then there is the decision to jam usually irrelevant stock photography in with each story. So every story about a network has a picture of a network cable or switch or something... and it takes up 30% of the summary space, making the section longer, driving the comments further down... which is the only reason anyone comes here... the comments. Nobody is lamenting the lack of shitty editorial stock photos.

And that's just the very tip of the iceberg.

excessively long music (1)

SkunkPussy (85271) | about 10 months ago | (#46174631)

“I wouldn’t want to be subjected to any overly loud music for six to 12 hours at a time without a break”

I hope noone plays his music at any raves

Uh. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#46174661)

1. Make some noisy music.
2. Use for torture
3. Profit!!!

Not sure Skinny Puppy thought that one through...

At first they used Neil Diamond... (2)

Applehu Akbar (2968043) | about 10 months ago | (#46174667)

...But the SCOTUS nixed that on Eighth Amendment grounds.

Not a public performance. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#46174677)

You can play whatever you please in a private setting.

Unhappy with the new site design? (1, Offtopic)

MMC Monster (602931) | about 10 months ago | (#46174701)

Unhappy with the new site design? Kick them where it hurts. Block advertising.

Up until now I always allowed slashdot to show me ads. I've been reading the site pretty much daily for over a decade (this is my second UID).

I just disabled advertisements. Why let them profit off of me?

If this becomes permanent, I just will have to find something else to read. I've grown up and looking more towards investment forums now, anyway. (giving a shout out to bogleheads - http://www.bogleheads.org/foru... [bogleheads.org] )

Profiting from a criminal act / bad move (1)

Marrow (195242) | about 10 months ago | (#46174735)

Seems like a liability black hole. If not a morality black hole.

Strangest thing... (1)

CokoBWare (584686) | about 10 months ago | (#46174749)

I was just remarking to a friend today how Agent Side Grinder's new album "Hardware" sounded like as if Skinny Puppy, Kraftwerk, and Depeche Mode were to have an ugly baby.

Beta Is Good (4, Funny)

the eric conspiracy (20178) | about 10 months ago | (#46174759)

It's causing me to do more work and less trolling.

I've been here awhile (5, Insightful)

Rival (14861) | about 10 months ago | (#46174781)

I've been here awhile, and have watched Slashdot go through a lot. Every time there's been a major change, a significant section of the user base has left and eventually been replaced. (The significance has not always been in terms of sheer numbers, but more often in longevity, character, personality and other less tangible demographics.)

I'm sure it will "survive" beta in the same way, which makes me sad. More pillars of the Slashdot community will leave, to be replaced with shills, trolls and youths who simply don't have the history to carry on anymore.

There are (at least) two things Dice fails to understand:

1.) 1,000,000 users != 1,000,000 users. Every UID is different, and when someone leaves, you can't simply "undo" that by getting another person to sign up.

2.) We don't want change. We're happy not being reddit, or 4chan, or (ugh) web 2.0, or whatever social media site or crap technology is the current buzzword this week. We're Slashdot. We come here because it's an old and familiar community. If you change too much, it's no longer familiar and we leave. Or if too many people leave, it's no longer a community and people stop coming back.

Please, I seriously recommend you keep the old UI codebase around for those of us who use classic mode. It's not going to kill your servers and we've been here long enough to deserve this little concession. Remember, each of us are a vital part of the conversations that happen here, and it is the comments that make Slashdot. Don't force us old-timers away with unnecessary change. Thank you.

Re:I've been here awhile (1)

koreanbabykilla (305807) | about 10 months ago | (#46174967)

One would think they would have informed us of their intent to keep classic around for us if that was the case. I can only infer by the silence that there are no plans to keep classic as a permanent option. The day beta is forced on me is the day I post my password and let whoever wants my accounts have em.

Awesome (2)

MouseR (3264) | about 10 months ago | (#46174809)

Been following that band since the mid-80s and actually will see them on their tour date on feb 16th in Montreal.

Its not surprising that they would sure, if only to clear their name. Despite the harshness of the genre, Gitmo is precisely what they advocate against.

Beta? (1)

NoImNotNineVolt (832851) | about 10 months ago | (#46174843)

First of all, fuck the beta site. Who the fuck thought a site for nerds would benefit from a cosmetic redesign? If it ain't broke, don't fix it, assholes!

However, the classic site now seems broken for me. I log in, and it brings me to my profile page. That's fine, but I didn't really want to edit my profile. So then I click over to the main page and, voila! I'm no longer logged in! It seems that if I want to complain about the beta site while logged in, I'll have to do it while actually using the beta site.

Fuck my life.

Taking vs. Police Power (1)

MarkvW (1037596) | about 10 months ago | (#46174893)

If the use was a "taking," then the noisers will get paid. If the use was for "police power" then the noisers are going to get stiffed.

Seems to me that it's a taking. When the military gets its boards for waterboarding, it pays for them. Seems it also should pay for the noise it uses for noise torture.

Gitmo is illegal (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#46175013)

The detention center at Gitmo is illegal and should be closed. The only legal way to end this travesty is to appeal to the highest law of the land.

No, not the constitution. Copyright.

Why have we been wasting so much time? And why did it take a Canadian band to point it out?

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