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Russia Blocks Internet Sites of Putin Critics

samzenpus posted about 4 months ago | from the no-net-for-you dept.

Censorship 309

An anonymous reader writes in with news about Russias censorship of internet sites critical of President Vladimir Putin. "Russia blocked access to the internet sites of prominent Kremlin foes Alexei Navalny and Garry Kasparov on Thursday under a new law critics say is designed to silence dissent in President Vladimir Putin's third term. The prosecutor general's office ordered Russian internet providers to block Navalny's blog, chess champion and Putin critic Kasparov's internet newspaper and two other sites, grani.ru and ej.ru, state regulator Roskomnadzor said. The move was the latest evidence of what government opponents see as a crackdown on independent media and particularly the internet, a platform for dissenting views in a nation where state channels dominate the airwaves. Ej.ru editor Alexander Ryklin called it 'monstrous' and a 'direct violation of all the principles of freedom of speech,' More at EFF, and in earlier stories at the The Huffington Post, and Deutsche Welle, which notes, 'This year's report by Reporters Without Borders on World Day against Cyber Censorship condemns Russia as one of the "Enemies of the Internet." "Russia has adopted dangerous legislation governing the flow of news and information and freedom of expression online," it concludes.'"

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309 comments

Until the NSA stops spying on America... (0, Troll)

davydagger (2566757) | about 4 months ago | (#46480431)

Until we stop living in a mass surviellence state, this all rings hollow.

Unlike Russia, we don't need to ban critics. We can just stalk and harrass them, until then ruin their lifes.

Go find another thread to whine in (4, Insightful)

Sycraft-fu (314770) | about 4 months ago | (#46480475)

There a topic that isn't about America? Well can't have that! Spin it to be about America! Redirect all topics to be on America, particularly whining about America!

Seriously, this American-centric bitching is really annoying. People need to knock it off. This is about Russia. That things are happening in America doesn't mean things aren't happening elsewhere. It also doesn't mean those things aren't of interest to the wider world. What is happening in Russia right now is of quite a bit of interest not just to Russians, but to Ukrainians, and to the whole of Europe. Also some people from the US might like to know too because hey, it is nice to be informed about the wider world.

So quit. Quit trying to make every thread about the US. There are lots and lots of those on Slashdot. When something comes up on a foreign country, let it be on that topic. The topic at hand is Russian media/internet censorship not NSA spying. That one is a little further down the front page.

Re:Go find another thread to whine in (5, Insightful)

Dave Emami (237460) | about 4 months ago | (#46480503)

There a topic that isn't about America? Well can't have that! Spin it to be about America! Redirect all topics to be on America, particularly whining about America!

What's ironic is that the folks who tend to do this, are just as likely to sneer that Americans don't care about anything happening outside the US.

Re:Go find another thread to whine in (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#46480951)

Where did you get the information that these same people are likely to say that Americans don't care what's happening outside the US?

Re:Go find another thread to whine in (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#46481051)

Where did you get the information that these same people are likely to say that Americans don't care what's happening outside the US?

He often saw the same person held both opinions, often in the same thread. It was probably that Anonymous Coward guy. He is always contradictory and cruelly honest.

Re:Go find another thread to whine in (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#46480511)

Mod parent down for un-derailing topic and addressing GP's logical fallacy. Probably an NSA shill.

Re:Go find another thread to whine in (0)

El Puerco Loco (31491) | about 4 months ago | (#46480993)

This is totally about America. Shit hits the fan over there and we'll be swimming in a sea of borscht swilling, track-suited troglodytes, just like in the 90s but worse.

Hypocrisy is always on topic (1, Insightful)

kevlar_rat (995996) | about 4 months ago | (#46481013)

The issue is that there is a claim of moral superiority in TFA. It says that

Putin [has] tight control over Russian society

, but the US gov't also tightly controls US society - so there is nothing to be smug about. Hypocrisy is an inconsistency between two things - the response when someone else does something, and when we do the same thing - the only way you can tell hypocrisy is to compare these two things. So if you only ever look at one thing at a time - and declare any comparison is 'off-topic' - then you will never notice any double standard.

Re:Go find another thread to whine in (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#46481105)

Seriously, this American-centric bitching is really annoying.

Ya know what's annoying? People that bitch about people bitching. 5, Insightful? Wow, this is SO offtopic.

Re:Until the NSA stops spying on America... (4, Insightful)

cold fjord (826450) | about 4 months ago | (#46480495)

There are other stories about the NSA and related matters on the page now, and over the last several days. I find it odd that you apparently didn't post in them. You kind of went off topic there.

Or just trying to deflect the heat off Russia? You even got there with a first post.

Is the rule we can't discuss anything other than the NSA? Are you felling personally oppressed?

Other parts of the world have problems besides the US. They can be discussed too. It isn't a "hollow" problem.
 

Re:Until the NSA stops spying on America... (4, Informative)

Dave Emami (237460) | about 4 months ago | (#46480543)

Until we stop living in a mass surviellence state, this all rings hollow.

The US (and the West in general) differs from Russia not in our inclination towards surveillance -- pretty much all governments do that -- but in the fact that it's controversial here.

You do know that it's possible to criticize bad things done by the US government, and criticize bad things done by other governments, right? Because your statement seems to indicate that you're unaware of this option.

Unlike Russia, we don't need to ban critics. We can just stalk and harrass them, until then ruin their lifes.

Tell that to Alexander Litvinenko [wikipedia.org] , Viktor Yuschenko [wikipedia.org] , Anna Politkovskaya [wikipedia.org] , Yuri Shchekochikhin [wikipedia.org] , Yuri Shchekochikhin [wikipedia.org] , and many others.

Re:Until the NSA stops spying on America... (1)

Kkloe (2751395) | about 4 months ago | (#46480621)

So you mean we have to get rid of internet?

Re:Until the NSA stops spying on America... (4, Insightful)

Xest (935314) | about 4 months ago | (#46480771)

Oh don't be so stupid. I'm no fan of the NSA's surveillance either but pretending that has any bearing this is complete nonsense.

About the only connection is that Putin's Russia is a warning about how bad it can get, so yes the NSA and CIA need to be reigned in somewhat, but the US isn't exactly as bad as Russia where the KGB, sorry, "FSB" as they prefer to be called nowadays, have their man in charge and basically run the entire show. At least there's still some semblance of separation between US intelligence agencies, the courts and the people who run the country still. In Russia it's all one big completely KGB orchestrated machine. The very fact the CIA had to try and meddle with the senate in itself shows they don't have that level of control over them yet, in Putin's Russia they'd have just had Feinstein and co. arrested on some trumped up charges and that would be the end of it.

So yes, whilst the US has lost it's right to preach on some issues (i.e. bitching at China for hacking) this is at least one area where it's hardly reached Putin-esque levels of dictatorship.

Stalking and being harassed even if that were happening on a widespread scale to all critics (it's not, people are still free to criticise - that's what you're doing for fucks sake and I doubt anyone is stalking or harassing you) is even then still a far cry from being beaten senseless and chucked in jail, or just outright assassinated with a bullet to the head by an assailant that never gets found (because they don't want to find him).

Re:Until the NSA stops spying on America... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#46480939)

Putin's Russia they'd have just had Feinstein and co. arrested on some trumped up charges and that would be the end of it.

The only reason that doesn't work in the US is that rich and/or powerful people don't get charged with anything.

Reassembling the Soviet Union (4, Insightful)

cold fjord (826450) | about 4 months ago | (#46480441)

Sadly, Russia is turning more and more to Soviet ways. Putin was even rehabilitating Stalin.

Putin Reportedly Claims the Dissolution of the Soviet Union May Have Been Illegal [mediaite.com]

This may not end well.

Re:Reassembling the Soviet Union (2)

loonycyborg (1262242) | about 4 months ago | (#46480483)

Soviet Union dissolution was technically illegal like any other coup/revolution, so calling is so is a truism, but what does it have to do with rehabilitating Stalin?

Re:Reassembling the Soviet Union (4, Insightful)

cold fjord (826450) | about 4 months ago | (#46480585)

As one of the great monsters of history, rehabilitating Stalin is an important bit of symbolism and tone. If Austria and Germany were to one day declare that they were reuniting in an act of self-determination by the German people, and then started making public pronouncements about the many great achievements of Der Führer, wouldn't that be cause for concern? Stalin killed far more than Der Führer.

Putin’s long game? Meet the Eurasian Union [bostonglobe.com]

Re:Reassembling the Soviet Union (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#46480643)

You're not addressing GP's question -- how does Putin's (allegedly) claiming the dissolution of the Soviet Union being illegal amount to rehabilitating Stalin?

No-one is disputing that Stalin was evil, just that it has anything to do with the link you posted (to some kind of gossip site, it seems).

Re:Reassembling the Soviet Union (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#46480737)

See for yourself:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/vladimir-putin-soviet-leader-joseph-stalin-was-no-worse-than-oliver-cromwell-9016836.html

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=anSl5jtQ1FpI&refer=europe

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7798497.stm

http://www.businessinsider.com/gorbachev-to-putin-youre-like-stalin-2011-8

Re:Reassembling the Soviet Union (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#46481079)

Stalin killed far more than Der Führer.

But these people were not the chosen children of the only true god, the master race of the universe, the only peoples worth saving; the Jews.

Unless it's Jewish peoples that are being oppressed or exterminated then it don't even worth talking about. Stalin was alright, but Hitler was a monster. HOW DARE YOU COMPARE ANY HUMAN BEING TO A MONSTER.

Re:Reassembling the Soviet Union (1)

Mashiki (184564) | about 4 months ago | (#46480823)

but what does it have to do with rehabilitating Stalin?

Haven't seen the whitewashing of his crimes against the populace at large that they're pushing in the schools? Don't have friends or family that live in that part of the world who lived through it? Well that's okay. Stalin was a mass murderer, like many communist and socialist dictatorships he set the tone for all the other countries that followed that same ideology. However, what's happening these days isn't any different from fascist groups who whitewash their favorite fascist leader.

Re:Reassembling the Soviet Union (1, Informative)

polar red (215081) | about 4 months ago | (#46481025)

communist and socialist dictatorships

I don't know what you understand under socialist and dictatorship, but these 2 terms are mutually exclusive. USSR was fascist.

Re:Reassembling the Soviet Union (2)

h5inz (1284916) | about 4 months ago | (#46480955)

Assembling the Soviet Union was illegal, so any laws and treaties made by Soviet Union are void anyway.

Re:Reassembling the Soviet Union (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#46480969)

Yay! Let's go back to czarist Russia!

Re:Reassembling the Soviet Union (2)

psychonaut (65759) | about 4 months ago | (#46481129)

You could say the same thing about the United States of America, whose formation in 1776 was a treasonous act against the Kingdom of Great Britain. In both cases it makes little practical sense to consider all their respective laws and treaties void, and as a matter of law they are not (at least insofar as Russia and the USA are concerned).

Re:Reassembling the Soviet Union (1)

h5inz (1284916) | about 4 months ago | (#46481167)

You are right, so that must mean there is no need to complain about legality of the Soviet Union dissolution either. I am fine with this one too.

Re:Reassembling the Soviet Union (0)

johanw (1001493) | about 4 months ago | (#46480987)

So? What's wrong in US eyes with trying to reform the former empire? Look how the US reacted when half the country wanted to leave the empire. They still talk about that skirmish they call civil war.

Re:Reassembling the Soviet Union (1)

psychonaut (65759) | about 4 months ago | (#46481061)

But there was no revolution, and the only coup was a short-lived one which actually tried to restore the ancien regime. The Soviet Union was dismantled largely peacefully and within the existing political framework, via legislation and referenda. Furthermore there was a continuity of leadership in most republics -- those at the upper echelons of society remained very much in power, except that post-USSR they were fabulously rich as well, having dispensed with the pretense of economic equality and helped themselves to personal ownership of formerly state-run enterprises.

Re:Reassembling the Soviet Union (1)

spark89 (3569393) | about 4 months ago | (#46480573)

All this years Russia only pretended that they are democratic nation. In fact, they are the same red communists they were before. I say that because I'm a Ukrainian.

Re:Reassembling the Soviet Union (1)

loonycyborg (1262242) | about 4 months ago | (#46480615)

Soviet Union dissolution was a lie. Ukraine is as much of inheritor of 'communism' as Russia is. Better stay as a single state to fight elements of old regime. They're present in all former soviet countries and made up this dissolution just to make some toy states to play with. I say we better undo it.

Re:Reassembling the Soviet Union (2)

spark89 (3569393) | about 4 months ago | (#46480647)

For 400 years Ukraine fights with Russian occupation. Even in the USSR, we still resisted their regime.

Re:Reassembling the Soviet Union (-1, Flamebait)

loonycyborg (1262242) | about 4 months ago | (#46480671)

Bullshit Ukraine and Russia is off-shoot of same people. No occupation can happen by definition. I'm a Russian and I don't want to live in a separate state with Ukrainians. I think it's a travesty. Nationalism should be fought. It only leads to needless conflicts. It applies not only to Russia vs Ukraine but to any other nation. I'm all for abolishing national states and having global world government. National conflicts are empty waste of time and national differences are a lie. Nationalism must be eradicated for the good of the Humanity.

Re:Reassembling the Soviet Union (2)

spark89 (3569393) | about 4 months ago | (#46480707)

Ok, say that to ''green mans'' in Crimea and personally to Putin. We, Ukrainians, don't want to fight with Russia, but if occupation will continue, we will counter-attack.

Re:Reassembling the Soviet Union (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#46480711)

What people? I just wonder whether you really know history of these countries.

Re:Reassembling the Soviet Union (1)

spark89 (3569393) | about 4 months ago | (#46480751)

Ukraine is not Russia. This idea we are trying to convey for so many ears...

Re:Reassembling the Soviet Union (0)

loonycyborg (1262242) | about 4 months ago | (#46480767)

I'm trying to convey to you that national differences are a lie. I don't want to be in separate state as Ukrainians. I know some Ukrainians don't want to be in same state as me. Why force us? We don't want to be separated with friends by national borders just because some moron wants a toy state to play with.

Re:Reassembling the Soviet Union (1)

spark89 (3569393) | about 4 months ago | (#46480799)

Wont to Russia? Go to Russia! Ukrainians is for democracy and freedom!

Re:Reassembling the Soviet Union (0)

loonycyborg (1262242) | about 4 months ago | (#46480861)

Yes. Russia is for democracy and freedom too. What's the difference? Everyone are for democracy and freedom. Nationality is a lie. It always leads to pointless violence. National states MUST cease to exist.

Re:Reassembling the Soviet Union (1)

spark89 (3569393) | about 4 months ago | (#46480873)

The main problem is Putin. He wont only blood and power.

Re:Reassembling the Soviet Union (1)

loonycyborg (1262242) | about 4 months ago | (#46480899)

Putin is just a figurehead. He means NOTHING. Besides, how do you know what he wants? Read his mind? It's not as simple. Life is not Star Wars. There are no villains here, just people who are delusional or mistaken. Remember you can be mistaken too. Don't take anything at face value. Large scale politics is just a show. Remember than national and state differences are forced on us by ambitious people that just want to play Civilization in RL. Putin isn't any different here than any other state leader. I wouldn't call him particularly bloodthirsty based on his past actions and actions of the government he represents. Nobody knows what can happen in future. And don't ascribe your thoughts to him.

Re:Reassembling the Soviet Union (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#46480929)

Democracy and freedom often has a cost of blood.

Nationality is a lie.

My language, culture, history, ideology, way of thinking and distinctive looks says otherwise. Oh and passport, flags, government, law and all that state stuff as well.

Re:Reassembling the Soviet Union (1)

loonycyborg (1262242) | about 4 months ago | (#46481009)

Humans are different yet they all are part of Humanity. Culture and language aren't a viable reason to start a war with people with different language and culture. They don't justify having national states either. They're merely accidental traits of interest to anthologists and linguists.

Re:Reassembling the Soviet Union (1)

polar red (215081) | about 4 months ago | (#46481085)

yes, but economic interests of a small, rich, minority of big country x is a reason to go to war, apparently. substitute x for a country of your choice.

Re:Reassembling the Soviet Union (-1, Troll)

loonycyborg (1262242) | about 4 months ago | (#46480813)

I have some friends in Ukraine who don't like to be forced to use Ukrainian and other bullshit like that. Border restrictions don't help either. So I ask you: what's the point? Why do all this? Being together with same language is more efficient. We should eliminate national differences, not promote them. What is the upside of existence of Ukraine as separate state? And any other national state for that matter..

Re:Reassembling the Soviet Union (1)

spark89 (3569393) | about 4 months ago | (#46480835)

We will destroy anyone who will tray to separate Ukrainian. Even a ''russian brothers''. We are peaceful and tolerant nation, but not in the case of occupation.

Re:Reassembling the Soviet Union (0)

loonycyborg (1262242) | about 4 months ago | (#46480927)

This nonsense totally doesn't answer my question.

Re:Reassembling the Soviet Union (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#46481157)

Being together with same language is more efficient. We should eliminate national differences, not promote them.

And yet you complain about not wanting to live in that other 'Ukrainian' culture. You are essentially saying that other peoples must adopt your culture while you do no effort to live with them. "Boo hoo hoo, I lived in Ukraine but I don't wan to be Ukrainian. These peoples are stupids, they stink, their language sound funny, their women look ugly. Resistance is futile, my race is superior."

Nations were, more often the not, able to live in peace with their neighbour. Nationalism are not the cause for conflict. Hateful bigot like you are. Fuck off.

Re:Reassembling the Soviet Union (1)

Jade_Wayfarer (1741180) | about 4 months ago | (#46481047)

One People, One Empire, One Leader? Hmm, somehow sounds familiar...

Re:Reassembling the Soviet Union (2)

Cenan (1892902) | about 4 months ago | (#46480801)

Nationalism must be eradicated for the good of the Humanity

At gun point if need be right? We've all heard it before, you don't need to try and package it up into something that will be easily digestible, nobody believes your bullshit outside of Russia.

Re:Reassembling the Soviet Union (1)

loonycyborg (1262242) | about 4 months ago | (#46480869)

Only in self-defense. Nationalists are crazy and will draw the gun first in practice.

Re:Reassembling the Soviet Union (1)

Cenan (1892902) | about 4 months ago | (#46481021)

I feel for you, and I sincerely wish the best for you. I hope you wake up soon and join the rest of us in moving forward, and I hope the bodies have not been piled up so high that there will be no way back.

Re:Reassembling the Soviet Union (1)

loonycyborg (1262242) | about 4 months ago | (#46481169)

Moving forward is exactly what I'm trying to do. Meaning moving beyond silly superstitions like nationalism. I'm a world citizen and genuinely consider nationalists to be kinda insane. I will not harm other human being just because he happens to be of different nationality than me. But I will defend my own life and that of people I care about no matter which nationality they are. Thanks to Internet I have friends from all over the world and this is what makes me consider the notion of Nationality obsolete and dangerous.

Re:Reassembling the Soviet Union (3, Interesting)

Cenan (1892902) | about 4 months ago | (#46481003)

I grew up in the shadow of fucking Soviet warheads. When the abomination that was the Soviet Union collapsed (because that is what it was, a collapse that forced a dissolution), everyone were better off. We've never had it better here in fact, than since that monstrosity of a union disappeared, and Russians could have had it just as good, were it not for Putin.

There is no interest in "eradicating the old elements", Putin is one of those old elements himself. He's building himself a buffer zone that he can steal from without repercussions, because he wants a new empire and he can't afford it on Russian GDP alone. He needs vassals he can exploit without affecting the core of his new empire. He is in essence rebuilding the Soviet Union, one invasion at a time. He couldn't have done it without you though, and I'm sure he's grateful for your support (no, not really).

The way he is doing this is actually quite smart, although the end goal doesn't serve the widest of interests. He's filling the Russian media with macho propaganda and grand standing to seed the yearning for the old days of power. Ask almost any Russian and they'll have zero clue what the fuck is going on, except what Putin has made them believe. If he says green is red, that is what the Russians will walk into the future believing. "Solving" the world's problems isn't on the agenda for you great leader, it is a talking point - and nobody outside of Russia is buying it, but that's not the point of it. All that sauce is for you, not us, so you can stop regurgitating it, Putin already knows it's a sham and you sound ridiculous when you do.

When there are no protests at home, you can pretty much act as you wish. When you act like a dick and the negative responses start flooding in, you can always point to them and go: "everyone is afraid of us, they don't understand our grand design, we must continue on with our master plan". But what your great leader has forgotten to tell you is that his grand standing is hinging on a bluff, and an assumption that nobody is going to call it out of fear of "Old Russia".

If the gas revenue stream dries up, you guys are going to be seriously fucked. For the takers of the gas, the price of heating a living room will rise, but that is not the end of the world over here - we still have the money we're not giving to Putin in our hands. But for the Russian end of the transaction is a catastrophe. There will only be more gun point diplomacy or capitulation left, again. An argument can be made that those two options really are the same, the only difference is the length of time it takes the first option to merge into the second option, or you could count the number of bodies that has to pile up before that happens - your choice really.

What all this amounts to, is a massive failure in learning from your collective mistakes. All of this will not end well for anyone but Putin himself, he's already pocketed enough money to not care what happens to the rest of Russia, the worst that can happen (bar a gunshot wound to the head, launched from a mile out) is exile with pockets full of cash, so of course he's moving forward. Just don't keep kidding yourselves and thinking he's going to take you all with him.

What's more likely to happen down this path you're following, is another era of an isolated, poverty stricken Russia, and the really, really sad part is that you're all buying into it as the only way to go. I feel for you guys, I really do. It saddens me, because I remember the 80s. Do you?

Re:Reassembling the Soviet Union (1)

Jade_Wayfarer (1741180) | about 4 months ago | (#46481073)

Some of us here do remember them too, and most of us just can't still get over the shock of the speed with which the high tide of nationalism and chest-pounding has risen here. We still thought that old SU was left dead and buried back in the 1991, now just a horrible husk to warn the future generations. Nope, it seems to raise its ugly head once more, and suddenly there are so little sane people left, so little ways to change things back or even to run from them... Strange times here, really.

Re:Reassembling the Soviet Union (1)

erikkemperman (252014) | about 4 months ago | (#46480603)

For a man who puts himself on his own, almost personal, state tv to the extent Putin does, we can probably safely assume that articles with the phrase "Putin reportedly claims" are full of it.

I don't understand why you keep going back to Soviet days -- your "née Soviet Union" line is almost never missing, though it doesn't make any sense (born as Soviet Union?). It is almost as if you feel you need to arouse ancient Cold War anxiety among the older readers.

Really the present Russian antics are scary enough without revisionist historical fear mongering.

Re:Reassembling the Soviet Union (1)

Borg453b (746808) | about 4 months ago | (#46480755)

.. but in Soviet Russia, TV remote controls you!.

Sorry - couldnt help myself.

>Really the present Russian antics are scary enough without revisionist historical fear mongering.

Tasteless pun aside; I agree.

Re:Reassembling the Soviet Union (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#46480937)

Sadly, Russia is turning more and more to Soviet ways. Putin was even rehabilitating Stalin.

Putin Reportedly Claims the Dissolution of the Soviet Union May Have Been Illegal [mediaite.com]

This may not end well.

An appropriate title for this would be "The Empire Strikes Back"

Russia is evil again. (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#46480453)

It's nice that we've had 25 year break from facing global thermonuclear war, but Russia is an expansionist aggressive nation again. Mutually assured destruction may not work this time if Putin would rather die and take the rest of the world out with him rather then relinquish power.

Re:Russia is evil again. (1)

Artifakt (700173) | about 4 months ago | (#46480533)

Russia is still inhabited by a lot of people who still have power AND who were trained in the Soviet version of MAD (Mutual Assured Distruction, for those who didn't spot or don't grok the acronym already) . This means that, when people in the west start classifying Putin as another possible 'classic nutcase leader', along the lines of Saddam Hussein, Moammar Kadafi or the Ayatollah Khomeini , they should remember, Putin has some very different reasons why he might just want to give the appearance of being one. ,

Re:Russia is evil again (1)

spark89 (3569393) | about 4 months ago | (#46480595)

As neighbor of Russia, I will say that she was always evil. Prior to this, she just didn't want to show his true face, and you didn't want to take a closer look.

Re:Russia is evil again. (2)

rasmusbr (2186518) | about 4 months ago | (#46480739)

It's nice that we've had 25 year break from facing global thermonuclear war, but Russia is an expansionist aggressive nation again. Mutually assured destruction may not work this time if Putin would rather die and take the rest of the world out with him rather then relinquish power.

I suspect you're quite wrong. Men like Putin (megalomaniac psychopaths) adore and respect military strength in others and, as with all psychopaths, they love themselves far to much to risk dying. If Obama had responded by moving intermediate range nuclear missiles into Poland and the Baltic countries thus enabling a faster first strike capability, Putin might have been angry at first, but the US would have won his respect in the long run.

If history is anything to go by Putin is going to keep doing land grabs until someone with a good arsenal of nukes agrees to play the brinksmanship game with him.

Re:Russia is evil again. (1)

N1AK (864906) | about 4 months ago | (#46480947)

If history is anything to go by Putin is going to keep doing land grabs until someone with a good arsenal of nukes agrees to play the brinksmanship game with him.

It's far too early to say but I'm hopeful that this isn't the only solution. The risk with brinkmanship is that it only takes a tiny mistake to turn into a global catastrophe. What we might be seeing at the moment is a credible attempt to move beyond hard power politics by the west and if it works it could set a far better precedent for diplomacy throughout the century which will become especially important as new global powers become more influential. Personally I think doing something like what you proposed, upping the military rhetoric would likely have little impact at all and would put Putin in a position where he couldn't pull back without losing face and control.

Hopefully Russians don't give up their freedoms (4, Interesting)

Timmy D Programmer (704067) | about 4 months ago | (#46480481)

Rules against criticizing the government makes a political campaign all but impossible for anyone but the incumbent. In other words, they are now a dictatorship. Hopefully the Russian people won't give up their freedoms so easily, and push back.

Re:Hopefully Russians don't give up their freedoms (4, Insightful)

Jade_Wayfarer (1741180) | about 4 months ago | (#46480545)

Well, it's nice to hope, but Putin's rating is at its highest in the last 3 years, somewhat about 71% [wsj.com] . There is no realistic hope for any "push back" anytime soon. Its not like some crazy dictator and small group of his henchmen took over the country - no, its like the majority of population is winding up some sort of mass psychosis. Which is a much more terrifying thought, really.

Re:Hopefully Russians don't give up their freedoms (1)

spark89 (3569393) | about 4 months ago | (#46480613)

Most people in Russia have been brainwashed. They really think that war against Ukraine it's war against nazism.

Re:Hopefully Russians don't give up their freedoms (1)

Jade_Wayfarer (1741180) | about 4 months ago | (#46480695)

Well - try and tell them that it's bullshit propaganda. You'll be instantly branded as a "unpatriotic liberalist scum" and no further discussion would be possible. Propaganda works best when its seeds fall on the right soil. If most of the people in Russia wouldn't want it to be true, all this crude and blunt bullshit that's pouring from the official TV, radio and newspapers wouldn't work so good.

It's really painful to see young, bright and generally decent people honestly protecting this shameless invasion of the other country. It's a zeitgeist, not just a scam by some political and media crooks.

Re:Hopefully Russians don't give up their freedoms (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#46481091)

As opposed to you, who have been brainwashed into thinking that 1) there is a war in Ukraine and 2) the group of criminals who to took over the Ukrainian government are "the good guys" and have absolutely no ties to right wing extremists 3) that this entire story is not a way for the NATO to expand to the east further and 4) USA are not an imperialist country who gives shit about freedom and whose only goal is to control every fucking country on this planet.

See, brainwashing is something both parties are good at!

Re:Hopefully Russians don't give up their freedoms (1)

Sabriel (134364) | about 4 months ago | (#46480857)

Why should I trust polling figures produced by an organisation that is owned and run by the same government that is suppressing opposition media?

Re:Hopefully Russians don't give up their freedoms (1)

Jade_Wayfarer (1741180) | about 4 months ago | (#46480975)

Well, even the opposition (at least the sane ones) today admit that Putin's popularity is quite high - much higher than popularity of said opposition. Even in our social networks (including LiveJournal) there are many, many people who honestly believe that Putin is doing a great job. And the silent majority are mostly apathetic, because of "If not Putin, than who?" mentality. There is no reason not to trust these polling figures, as there is no political or social force strong enough to prove them wrong. Some historical parallels (1933-1939, anyone?) are quite scary, to be honest.

Re:Hopefully Russians don't give up their freedoms (1)

loonycyborg (1262242) | about 4 months ago | (#46481103)

Our 'opposition' was always a joke, not enough sane and skilled people in it. Zhirinovsky openly shows it on his own example. He's obviously a gifted person, but he opted for a career of a clown instead. Presumably because there's no place in political life for anyone remotely serious.

Re:Hopefully Russians don't give up their freedoms (5, Insightful)

Xest (935314) | about 4 months ago | (#46480811)

Normally I like to not try and blame the people for the actions of their leadership, but frankly I've lost all faith in the ability for the majority of the Russian populace to engage in any kind of rational thinking at this point. They are part the problem.

A couple of years back they were out in protest against Putin rigging the vote to put himself back in power and I thought hey, finally, the Russian people are taking responsibility for their state, and trying to deal with their dictator.

Now two years on, an Olympic games, a bit of propaganda, creating a hate target in homosexuals to blame societies ills on (just as Hitler did with the Jews etc.), an attempted annexation of Crimea, and the resurrection of Stalin as a popular deity and suddenly Putin has 70% approval ratings again.

So whilst there are clearly a good number of Russians that still want him out, at this point they're a minority by quite a stretch. It really is the Russian people that are the problem - you might as well just alias the nation as Dumbfuckland now, because it really is a nation mostly full of dumb fucks given the approval they're now giving Putin based on his fascist, dictatorial policies. I thought it was bad enough that my nation, the UK is full of people so easily swayed by populism, bigotry, and general ignorance peddled by the media, but the idiocy of many of my countrymen appears to pale compared to those in Russia. At least whilst our population recently argued against striking Syria by a decent margin. In contrast, the Russians positively support annexing the whole of the Ukraine, not just Crimea with about 59% support on latest polls.

I wouldn't put your faith in the Russian people, they mostly seem to be an extremely fickle, easily swayed bunch and Putin controls the media, so swaying them his way appears trivial.

Re:Hopefully Russians don't give up their freedoms (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#46481145)

no chance. they have holidays in phuket and low end opels! the vast majority of russians are basically now whores who sold their freedoms for these things... and the feeling superiority that a dictator whispering sweet nothings in their ear gives them.

In Soviet Russia... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#46480497)

In Soviet Russia, Internet blocks you!

Self Defeating? (1)

purpledinoz (573045) | about 4 months ago | (#46480519)

I wonder if blocking this kind of stuff is self defeating. It sort of signals what you should be looking at. If I saw that The Huffington Post was blocked, it would make me curious and I would find a way to read The Huffington Post.

Re:Self Defeating? (1)

quantaman (517394) | about 4 months ago | (#46480599)

I'm curious about this myself, obviously dedicated opposition will oppose Putin and evade blocks regardless, so I assume the target is slightly apathetic or undecided Russians. I suspect they're mostly trying to stop people from posting articles on the equivalent of the Russian Facebook.

China is probably the best example of blocking on a large scale (by a country that dominates the language), there's clearly a lot of Chinese who go to great lengths to evade the censorship, but what about the ordinary people? When the dissident is blocked do they just not bother?

Mr. Snowden, we need your help (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#46480523)

Perhaps Edward Snowden can infiltrate their cyber operations and get these sites unblocked. Obviously that's why he went to Russia. To prevent them getting as bad as the USA. Oh, wait... the USA isn't blocking sites, is it?

Re: Mr. Snowden, we need your help (1)

spark89 (3569393) | about 4 months ago | (#46480575)

Mr. Snowden is a russian double agent. Wake up.

Re: Mr. Snowden, we need your help (1)

marcello_dl (667940) | about 4 months ago | (#46480617)

Snowden might be a Sealand double agent for all I know, the point is: were his revelations made up or he spit the truth? The truth is way more damaging of course. Well, a strange kind of damage. Knowing about the excesses of surveillance state is a benefit to the people and does not hinder in any way the agencies to keep doing what they do, because they always de facto operate above the law in every place. So you have a double agent aiding the enemy. Hmmm?

Besides... If there had been the hint of the smell of a convoluted link between snowden and russians, it would have been all over the news in an attempt of damage control.

Sneakereski Nyetya (1)

invictusvoyd (3546069) | about 4 months ago | (#46480539)

Russsian forr Interrnet . No one can a block russssian. you foool

Russia or Soviet Union v2.0 (1)

spark89 (3569393) | about 4 months ago | (#46480557)

Putin blocks everything that can hurt his regime. Especially now, when one mentally unstable dictator wont to occupy Ukraine and others country's to restore Soviet Union. Also, he knows, that for his unjustified act of aggression West will destroy him and all Russia like Soviet Union once.

BITcH (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#46480577)

from one folder on failu8e, its corpse obsessed - give

Funny (-1, Offtopic)

The Cat (19816) | about 4 months ago | (#46480583)

Always funny how Slashdot uses the "silenced person" icon.

Meanwhile, they have a site where the "anonymous coward" can log in to a duplicate account and mod posts down against a commenter they don't agree with until that commenter is literally slienced beyond one or two pre-modded -1 comments a day.

The downvotes are fairly predictable: anyone who doesn't toe the scientism line or who doesn't agree with the fundamentalist atheist dogma is usually first to be mass downvoted. Often a simple declarative sentence is all it takes to rile up some greasy neckbeard asshole, who will dump all five mod points into retaliating because greasy neckbeard assholes take declarative statements as a personal insult.

If you reply, that just gives their duplicate account another three-point shot at your "karma," which is simply a measure of how well you agree with the Slashdot party line. All the greasy neckbeard asshole wants is grist for his logic mill so he can "disprove" everything you say by downvoting it and labeling it.

So essentially, Slashdot is simply a machine to enforce groupthink. Nobody is allowed to color outside the lines without being chased away by the downvotes. It's very much like Boingboing, which is a site devoted to enforcing Cory Doctorow's personal prejudices and cowardly bigotry through his proxy mods.

I propose this be fixed before you spend any more time on your big beta project.

tl;dr Slashdot's moderation system does nothing but force commenters to say the "right thing(tm)"

Re:Funny (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#46480665)

The reason those people get down modded is because they tell lies.
Organized religion is BS, so why shouldn't those people be down modded?
You're just mad because you refuse to accept reality.
If you want to talk about god go to church.

Re:Funny (2)

Mitchell314 (1576581) | about 4 months ago | (#46480677)

That's a whole lotta words just to say "Please mod me down, I wanna pretend to be ironically persecuted so I can feel vindicated".

Re:Funny (-1, Troll)

The Cat (19816) | about 4 months ago | (#46480709)

Tell the truth. You're forming a little intellectual enclave of like-minded people so you can all congratulate each other in a hermetically sealed echo chamber.

You're not interested in discussing ideas. You're interested in strengthening your dogmas. You are anti-intellectual fundamentalists, no different than those you claim to oppose.

And the longer it festers, the more sour and bitter and reactionary you all get. Slashdot is scarcely a shadow of what it once was. If this continues, it will be a ghost town in a year, just like Boingboing is, and just like Reddit will eventually become.

Re:Funny (2)

Mitchell314 (1576581) | about 4 months ago | (#46480753)

Yup, it's completely true. We all email each other and hold secret meetings with our own special handshakes. And you're not invited. All to make you rage those sweet, sweet tears.

Re:Funny (0)

The Cat (19816) | about 4 months ago | (#46480877)

If you weren't pulling muscles trying to be a gigantic dick, you would realize you're replying to comments that nobody made.

And I think I speak for a number of people when I say we really don't want to know about your "special handshake."

Re:Funny (1)

Mitchell314 (1576581) | about 4 months ago | (#46480909)

Ahhhh. Sweet, sweet, delicious tears of self righteous rage. Especially those from the line-toeing groupthink against special handshakes.

Re:Funny (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#46481069)

> Tell the truth. You're forming a little intellectual enclave of like-minded people so you can all congratulate each other in a hermetically sealed echo chamber.

Just like Putin?

Re:Funny (1)

N1AK (864906) | about 4 months ago | (#46480973)

You could have saved a lot of space by leaving out the puerile insults. Slashdot's moderation system is a long way from perfect but what exactly do you think they should do to 'fix' it. Stop users moderating and have all comments equal, allowing the spamming of views? Have one person or a small group decide which posts are good or bad?

Based on this post it seems likely to me that you can't express a point effectively and rather than resolve that you've decided it must be the fault of other people that you get down-modded.

Re:Funny (0)

The Cat (19816) | about 4 months ago | (#46481083)

Have one person or a small group decide which posts are good or bad?

That's exactly what's happening now.

Based on this post it seems likely to me that you can't express a point effectively and rather than resolve that you've decided it must be the fault of other people that you get down-modded.

It is by definition the fault of other people that I get down-modded. My university degree and the 22 books I've written are conclusive proof that I can express myself just fine.

I'm simply commenting on the hypocrisy of Slashdot bleating about others being silenced online while they maintain this complex mechanism which effectively silences commenters.

Zombie Lenin says... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#46480607)

"Must crush capitalism! Grrrr!"
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x1ee465_copy-of-simpsons-soviet-union_fun

Imod 3own (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#46480609)

ballots. YOu could project. Today, as chaanel, you might all; in order to go

Coming soon to the UK! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#46480773)

Though s/Putin/Cameron/

Let's keep in mind who sells that software. (1)

Ruedii (2712279) | about 4 months ago | (#46480825)

Let's keep in mind that it is US companies that sell the software to handle massive site blocking like this.

Had to (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#46480933)

In Mother Russia internet Putin's you.

It's all about the money (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#46481115)

Russians wants to secure their energy business. It worked out for other companies, so why not for them?

It's a sad world.

Tell Putin that you disapprove (3, Interesting)

Alain Williams (2972) | about 4 months ago | (#46481143)

Commenting here is great, but Putin does not read Slashdot. Write to your country's Russian ambassador, tell him what you think. OK: what you say will be ignored, but if 10,000 of you write - then Putin may hear of it ... maybe no more than 2 lines at the bottom of some report, but that is better than nothing.

Just to make it easier for you: the UK Russian embassy contact page [rusemb.org.uk] (I would suggest Russia-UK relations queries); the USA Russian embassy contact page [russianembassy.org] , post & 'phone only, unless someone can dig better than I can. Also feel free to reply to this comment with contact info for the Russian embassy in your country.

If you say nothing, then you will be ignored. Saying something cannot be worse than that !

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