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Maintaining Internet Freedom Isn't Easy (Video)

Roblimo posted about 7 months ago | from the if-you-want-liberty-you-need-to-work-for-it dept.

Your Rights Online 55

Go to Stop the Secrecy.net and you'll see that this is something that requires action now, not someday, It's about the TPP, or Trans Pacific Partnership, a trade agreement that could place major restrictions on how we use the Internet. This is far from the only attack on Internet freedom we need to fight against, just one the EFF (and others) feel is one of the worst ones in play right now. Mild-mannered Steve Anderson, founder and Executive Director of OpenMedia.ca, is today's interview guest. He's Canadian, but OpenMedia.ca doesn't stop at Canada's southern border. Steve and the rest of the group want U.S. citizens to have the same Internet freedoms they want Canadians to have -- as well as people all over the world, because Internet balkanization hurts all Internet users. Including you. And worse, this is not the only problem with the TPP. Did you notice, in the TPP link above (to Wikipedia), that parts of this trade agreement are secret? So even if you want to protest against it, you might end up holding a sign that's mostly blank. This is a "Call your Congressional representatives" situation. Unless you're in Canada, in which case it's a "Call your Member of Parliament" situation. Ditto if you're in another TPP country. In any case, it's going to take a lot of calls, letters, emails, and faxes from people like us to overcome some of the heavy money that wants the TPP to go through. (Alternate video link.)

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Really? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46882489)


 

Re:Really? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46882613)

I see what

Re:Really? (1)

flaming error (1041742) | about 7 months ago | (#46884037)

You see AC's commentary on the value of secrecy.

Re:Really? (1)

binarylarry (1338699) | about 7 months ago | (#46882867)

Holy shit, that post is so anonymous it's Bananymous!

Government must be transparent (4, Insightful)

qazsedcft (911254) | about 7 months ago | (#46882679)

We must force our governments to be more transparent. IMO, it should be a constitutional principle that all law must be negotiated in public. If history has tought us one thing is that secret negotiations lead to horrible results. For example, one of the most despicable treaties in history, the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact [wikipedia.org] , was the result of such secret negotiations.

Re:Government must be transparent (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46882717)

The FP was certainly transparent.

Re:Government must be transparent (2)

stevez67 (2374822) | about 7 months ago | (#46882731)

Negotiating in public means absolutely nothing will get done because no one will dare cross the line and compromise. While in theory 100% transparency in gov't sounds like a good idea, in practice it's a recipe for gridlock.

Re:Government must be transparent (1)

krashnburn200 (1031132) | about 7 months ago | (#46882827)

This is the eternal cry of the politician and economist. They should all be sent back to kindergarten. Two wrongs don't make a right.

Re:Government must be transparent (2)

Impy the Impiuos Imp (442658) | about 7 months ago | (#46882955)

Laws are like sausages. Fans of either should never watch them being made. - Some dude

When Bush requested $700 billion to bail things out at the end of his term, Congress added $110 billion in pork to get it passed.

This means many, who thought the bill necessary, were prepared to hold it up until they got bought out. Others, who thought the bill awful, voted for it anyway once bought out, too.

Why do you think these people go into power? Hehehehe, to "serve you".

Re:Government must be transparent (1)

I'm New Around Here (1154723) | about 7 months ago | (#46883789)

Are you kidding? I'd love to see sausages being made. All that good meat, and tasty fat, ground up into a pulp then squished into an animal intestine that still smells faintly of shit...

Ok, I see your point.

Re:Government must be transparent (1)

mellon (7048) | about 7 months ago | (#46883923)

To Serve Man?

Re:Government must be transparent (1)

sexconker (1179573) | about 7 months ago | (#46883613)

This is the eternal cry of the politician and economist. They should all be sent back to kindergarten. Two wrongs don't make a right.

If by kindergarten you mean the chopping block, sure.

Re:Government must be transparent (1)

qazsedcft (911254) | about 7 months ago | (#46882889)

I'm not saying that the people negotiating have to do all their talk in public because that would be ridiculous. But the terms of the deal have to be made public during the negotiations. When a new law is proposed there are certainly lots of back room deals but you get at least a couple of public readings and, if the law has any significant impact, lots of media attention too (at least here in Europe that's the norm). Where I live, a law adopted in a hurry or in a context of dubious public review would get struck down by the Constitutional Court. A treaty should be no different.

Re:Government must be transparent (1)

desdinova 216 (2000908) | about 7 months ago | (#46882921)

you say that's like it's a bad thing

Re:Government must be transparent (1)

SeePage87 (923251) | about 7 months ago | (#46883529)

Here here!! I'm working on my Ph.D. in economics with a non-market focuses, such as political economy. The sad fact is that even if government representatives are actually trying to do what's best for their constituents, they'll still do things that are harmful to most people to help the few who actively support them, meaning legislation on average is expected to be harmful. But it gets worse! because this type of legislation is difficult to get through congress unilaterally, legislators trade votes all the fucking time to get their bad policy passed in exchange for helping other bad policy pass. And this is assumes good-intentioned legislators who can be trusted to do their job as specified by the Constitution!

It's not that I don't think problems can be solved in a centralized manner. I don't even necessarily think the private market necessarily are more efficient when solving them. It's just that I don't trust any piece of policy that's gone through the legislative gauntlet of nearly 550 self-interested powerful individuals with almost no real accountability. It's binding legal language: they can literally change a few words to transform good policy into a legal means to rob us of billions of tax dollars often with ancillary consequences to boot. What's the chances the benefits of anything will outweigh its costs by the time it comes out of Congress? We're perfectly capable of taking care of ourselves and each other: deadlock sounds just fine to me; disempowerment sounds even better.

Re:Government must be transparent (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46883007)

While in theory 100% transparency in gov't sounds like a good idea, in practice it's a recipe for gridlock.

OK. And the downside is?

In the last 13 years especially, our government has done nothing but take away our rights, retracted protections in our financial system (like the effective repeal of Glass-Steagall which aided in the financial meltdown of '08), spied on us, and do nothing but listen to moneyed interests while we the people get it up the ass.

So, again, the downside is what?

Stopping the trend of fucking us little people further?

Re:Government must be transparent (1, Insightful)

pla (258480) | about 7 months ago | (#46883035)

While in theory 100% transparency in gov't sounds like a good idea, in practice it's a recipe for gridlock.

While in theory, a functional government sounds like a good idea, in practice, a state of perpetual gridlock means they do the least harm over time.

Re:Government must be transparent (1)

WaffleMonster (969671) | about 7 months ago | (#46884299)

Negotiating in public means absolutely nothing will get done because no one will dare cross the line and compromise. While in theory 100% transparency in gov't sounds like a good idea, in practice it's a recipe for gridlock.

Given never ending stream of attacks from media and LEA's gridlock is preferable to "progress".

Re:Government must be transparent (1)

Roger Wilcox (776904) | about 7 months ago | (#46886129)

I fail to see a downside to this. When a clear need arises, congress will act. When there is no need, they won't cross the line. Sounds pretty good to me.

What we have now is politicians bowing to corporate interests and lining their pockets behind closed doors to the detriment of common folk. You don't think gridlock is preferable to that?

Re:Government must be transparent (1)

tom arnall (2980783) | about 7 months ago | (#46893295)

"it's a recipe for gridlock"

depending on what gets gridlocked, it might be a good idea.

Re:Government must be transparent (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46882885)

It's a good thing Obama (D) campaigned for more transparency.

All hail our new Transparent Overlords.

Re:Government must be transparent (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46883999)

He didn't campaign for transparency, he campaigned on transparency. Apparently, getting campaigned on didn't help transparency.

Re:Government must be transparent (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46883319)

If you read diplomatic communications from Churchill and the like at the time, you see that Western leaders were perfectly happy with Hitler's expansionism right up until it became clear he was going to start heading west. I mean, then-Senator Harry Truman said

"If we see that Germany is winning we ought to help Russia, and if Russia is winning we ought to help Germany, and that way let them kill as many as possible."

And that was in 1941!

The two years of crash industrialization Molotov-Ribbentrop bought the USSR probably made the difference between victory and defeat on the eastern front, and hence the war.

Re:Government must be transparent (1)

interkin3tic (1469267) | about 7 months ago | (#46883937)

I suspect any treaty negotiated between Hitler and Stalin would have ended poorly for everyone aside from those two no matter how transparent and open the proceedings were. I'm more optimistic about other government actions, but there are still always going to be loopholes in transparency. Giving people the illusion of transparency could legitimize some awful agreements. I suspect the opposition to the Trans-Pacific Partnership would be even more muted if a show of negotiations were made to look like they were transparent. I think most of the traction the opposition is getting is by pointing out it's large corporations deciding law in secret.

If Haliburton was able to say "No way! We posted the notice for the open session! ...in the cellar in the bottom of a locked filing cabinet stuck in a disused lavatory with a sign on the door saying 'Beware of the Leopard'." then the TPP would be getting even less attention than it is now.

wishful thinking (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46887051)

They can be open all they want, you look at CSPAN its nothing more then a photo op, or simply bullshit pandering. Nothing of any substance comes from watching their oxymoron rants. But its the crap that goes on behind the scene's, I have seen so much abuse from local government claiming their 'openness'.

Has nothing to do with this story but one of the local councils approved a deal to installed additional sewage lines along homes that already had septic tanks, people wondered why they were doing this and they found out. The city called out the EPA, and the EPA inspected their tanks and deemed them to be inadequate/dilapidated, forcing them to tap in, they have to have another tank installed, with a grinder pump, a separate electrical service to the pump, and of course the line from there tank to the sewage main line, for each house, then then tried to charge the people $30,000. One resident was outraged by this, as was most of them, and found out it only cost 6,000 - 8,000 for all this to be done.

The only reason the installed the main sewage line was to force people onto the system for their own greed. And while no one can prove they called the EPA, they told residents prior to the project they wouldn't have to tap in. And the EPA never inspected the septic tanks prior or during the project, they were called afterwards on purpose. I know the states laws, fuck the local the state are what counts, and a different city I live in just installed additional sewage lines when most if not everyone has septic tanks. I wanting for them to try this bullshit out, and I have the paper work ready for a lawsuit against the city and EPA when that day comes.

And of course no else else seems to give a shit around here. And that's the overall problem!

Re:Government must be transparent (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46892883)

"We must force our governments to be more transparent."

disagree. we must force the whole kleptocracy to behave themselves on this one. and we can do it very easily. we are the people upon whom they depend to make their systems work, something which we have repeatedly demonstrated by bringing chunks of it down when we see fit. once they start wrecking the part of it which interests us ... need i say more?

Re:Government must be transparent (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46893015)

"we are the people upon whom they depend to make their systems work"

Indeed. Remember Blaster, remember Citibank and its attempt to freeze Assange's funds. Remember all the other fun and games we've had. Let them know that we are out here, observing them, thinking about what we see, doing.

Re:Government must be transparent (1)

tom arnall (2980783) | about 7 months ago | (#46893273)

as i understand network technology, i believe it is possible to set up networks of the peer to peer variety which have no need of the currently conventional internet connections. my computer talks to yrs which talks to another guy's, etc. data wd be spread out on the network the way it is in a torrent network. i'd very much like some feedback on this.

Light on the details (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46882723)

From what I can tell this article is pleading for people to protest something for some reason. Maybe the greens/anarchists/communists don't like something about free trade, not sure.

Kind of sounds like Occupy Wall Street all over again "We're really mad and won't tolerate whatever it is we're mad about any more! If we ever figure out what we're mad at we'll let you know."

Re:Light on the details (1)

Travis Mansbridge (830557) | about 7 months ago | (#46882775)

Yeah man, it's all part of the hidden anarchist agenda.

I am confused. (1)

generic_screenname (2927777) | about 7 months ago | (#46882839)

I can't understand what this is actually about from reading TFA, or TFA links. What am I supposed to be angry about?

Re:I am confused. (2)

CanHasDIY (1672858) | about 7 months ago | (#46883295)

I can't understand what this is actually about from reading TFA, or TFA links. What am I supposed to be angry about?

Right now, Obama is meeting with leaders in Asia to finalize the secretive Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP) agreement.

The TPP threatens to censor your Internet, kill jobs, undermine environmental safeguards, and remove your democratic rights.

That's the first two sentences on the first link - what part are you having trouble understanding?

Re:I am confused. (2)

Minwee (522556) | about 7 months ago | (#46883563)

Right now, Obama is meeting with leaders in Asia to finalize the secretive Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP) agreement.

The TPP threatens to censor your Internet, kill jobs, undermine environmental safeguards, and remove your democratic rights.

That's the first two sentences on the first link - what part are you having trouble understanding?

It will also give your ex-girlfriend your new phone number. It will mix Kool-aid into your fishtank. It will drink all your beer and leave its socks out on the coffee table when there's company coming over. It will put a dead kitten in the back pocket of your good suit pants and hide your car keys when you are late for work.

It moves your car randomly around parking lots so you can't find it. It will kick your dog. It will leave libidinous messages on your boss's voice mail in your voice! It is insidious and subtle. It is dangerous and terrifying to behold. It is also a rather interesting shade of mauve.

Re:I am confused. (1)

CanHasDIY (1672858) | about 7 months ago | (#46883817)

Right now, Obama is meeting with leaders in Asia to finalize the secretive Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP) agreement.

The TPP threatens to censor your Internet, kill jobs, undermine environmental safeguards, and remove your democratic rights.

That's the first two sentences on the first link - what part are you having trouble understanding?

It will also give your ex-girlfriend your new phone number. It will mix Kool-aid into your fishtank. It will drink all your beer and
leave its socks out on the coffee table when there's company coming over. It will put a dead kitten in the back pocket of your good suit pants and hide your car keys when you are late for work.

It moves your car randomly around parking lots so you can't find it. It will kick your dog. It will leave libidinous messages on
your boss's voice mail in your voice! It is insidious and subtle. It is dangerous and terrifying to behold. It is also a rather interesting shade of mauve.

So, basically what you're saying here is, unless every single possible aspect of a thing is specifically drawn out for you in a way you can comprehend, it's tantamount to utter ridiculousness?

Please. We aren't your mommies. If you find a subject interesting enough to research it, then do so. If not, ignore it and move on with your life. There's no call for such childish snark.

Re:I am confused. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46884137)

The comment pointed out that if it's secret, you can say anything about it without being definitively contradicted.

Your suggestion "If you find a subject interesting enough to research it, then do so," when the research in question is spying on secret trade negotiations, is bullshit.

Re:I am confused. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46884795)

I believe the comments you reference are noting the absence of descriptive information in the post as well as the linked webpage. The webpage has a huge banner making it easy to provide personal information in order to supposedly issue some protest to representatives but has practically zero information about what it is we are being asked to protest. I don't know if you are aware of this but in the past people have been misled by hyperbolic exclamation. Speaking of hyperbolic statements your comment that includes "unless every single possible aspect of a thing is specifically drawn out for you in a way you can comprehend" is a clear example.

    It is no insult for people called to action to pay attention to your information. It is not ridiculous to expect at least some points to be made clear with rigorous analysis and explanation. I personally require references as well. It is only responsible to expect these things. It is only responsible to provide them along with the call to action. For all we know this is a fake appeal to divert attention and resources concerning this issue. The more i look the more this appears to be the case. Who are you?

Re:I am confused. (1)

I'm New Around Here (1154723) | about 7 months ago | (#46883839)

Mauve?? I hate mauve!!

Ban the mauvey TPP!!

Re:I am confused. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46884095)

The TPP threatens to censor your Internet, kill jobs, undermine environmental safeguards, and remove your democratic rights.

That link provides no information, just hysteria. How does a Free Trade Agreement do that? You're saying this is the end of the world without saying how or why it's so scary.

Re:I am confused. (2)

SuricouRaven (1897204) | about 7 months ago | (#46887233)

Among other things, it requires members impliment some new intellectual property protection measures that are stricter even than those in the US. Mostly streamlining of enforcement by removing those time-consuming things like courts from the legal process. For a specific example, it makes it trivial for a copyright holder or an exclusive distributor to get an import ban not only on infringing products, but on products not licensed for distribution in that country. In practical terms that means banning the grey import market - you won't be able to, say, buy a DVD boxed set of a series from the US and have it delivered to Australia because the Australian distribution rights have been sold to another company who is only going to start selling it six months later and for three times the price. Or you won't be able to buy imported DVDs of your favorate anime series in the US because 4Kids has purchased the rights to import it and will only sell their heavily-censored version in which rice balls have been translated into donuts.

Re:I am confused. (1)

generic_screenname (2927777) | about 7 months ago | (#46885721)

How and why? There are no specifics, only scary words.

Re:I am confused. (1)

CanHasDIY (1672858) | about 7 months ago | (#46888649)

So do your own research about the TPP, I'm certain once you do you'll understand what all those "scary words" are about.

Barak Saddam Hussein Obama (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46882865)

The number one enemy of Barak Saddam Hussein Obama is the citizens of the United States of America !

As President, Saddam will do everything to murder, rape and destroy the United States of America and his most hated enemy, an American.

Why ?

Racial Hatred !

Saddam is NOT American, not even a U.S.A. citizen !

Saddam is NOT African, not even "black" and not even "Nigger" !

Saddam exists in a nether world of Bureaucratic Innuendo, never Knowing, never Achieving, Never Living.

There, in a 100 m steal reinforced wall thick bunker 3 km beneath the White House in DC, Saddam smokes his beloved bong from Hawaii, and masturbates while watching '60's videos of Richard M. Nixon, his most beloved idol.

For Barak Saddam Hussein Obama, the world is a dangerous place, a wicked place, a place which he despises and loathes.

So on the "surface" who do we see but his Avatar, the "Bo Vie Bo" !

Saddam despises his "Boy Vie Boy" !

Ha ha

His fail !

Re:Barak Saddam Hussein Obama (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46883391)

Actually the real Saddam is beginning to look a lot better than the last two assclowns we got stuck with.

flashless version (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46882873)

Here is a flashless [jsfiddle.net] version of the video made with jsfiddle and a html5 demo.
Why does beta not fix flash?

missing post mod option (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46883013)

+5 no shit, sherlock

First! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46883041)

Subject says it all.

My god, you don't realize how long I've waited for

The reality is... (5, Interesting)

blahplusplus (757119) | about 7 months ago | (#46883055)

... one issue based bullshit is not going to stop this. We had SOPA and CISPA and they are preparing CISPA round 3.

The internet is something 'everyone can agree on' but unfortunately most people trying to 'protect the internet' are too historically and politically illiterate to really do so. None of you who are hardcore capitalists are "protectors" of the internet, in fact why SOPA and TPP are trying to lock it down is BECAUSE they fear the masses rising up against corporate (capitalist) powers. That's why we got governments and corporations going gangusters on surveillance worldwide.

If you doubt this check the spyfiles

https://wikileaks.org/the-spyf... [wikileaks.org]

Corporate power is global, and resistance to it cannot be restricted by national boundaries. Corporations have no regard for nation-states. They assert their power to exploit the land and the people everywhere. They play worker off of worker and nation off of nation. They control the political elites in Ottawa as they do in London, Paris and Washington.

Consider the G20 Protests in Toronto

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/... [www.cbc.ca]

This is just more part and parcel of state suppression of dissent against corporate interests. They're worried that the more people are going to wake up and corporate centers like the US and canada may be among those who also awaken. See this vid with Zbigniew Brzezinski, former United States National Security Advisor.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?... [youtube.com]

Look at the following graphs:

http://www2.ucsc.edu/whorulesa... [ucsc.edu]
http://www2.ucsc.edu/whorulesa... [ucsc.edu]
http://www2.ucsc.edu/whorulesa... [ucsc.edu]

And then...

WIKILEAKS: U.S. Fought To Lower Minimum Wage In Haiti So Hanes And Levis Would Stay Cheap
http://www.businessinsider.com... [businessinsider.com]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?... [youtube.com]

Free markets?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?... [youtube.com]

http://www.amazon.com/Empire-I... [amazon.com]

"We now live in two Americas. One—now the minority—functions in a print-based, literate world that can cope with complexity and can separate illusion from truth. The other—the majority—is retreating from a reality-based world into one of false certainty and magic. To this majority—which crosses social class lines, though the poor are overwhelmingly affected—presidential debate and political rhetoric is pitched at a sixth-grade reading level. In this “other America,” serious film and theater, as well as newspapers and books, are being pushed to the margins of society.

In the tradition of Christopher Lasch’s The Culture of Narcissism and Neil Postman’s Amusing Ourselves to Death, Pulitzer Prize-winner Chris Hedges navigates this culture—attending WWF contests, the Adult Video News Awards in Las Vegas, and Ivy League graduation ceremonies—to expose an age of terrifying decline and heightened self-delusion."

Re:The reality is... (1)

Mashiki (184564) | about 7 months ago | (#46883283)

Protip: Canada doesn't have freedom like many other western democracies, or even free speech. We have "as much freedom as dictated by law, courts, and government." And those can be restricted at any time, if they can be so justified. [justice.gc.ca] In Canada, it's spelled out plainly in s.1 of the charter of rights and freedoms. There's a reason why many don't think the charter will last beyond 2030, not withstanding the Quebec issue.

Good Will Hunting (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46883297)

Ever see "Good Will Hunting"? Best movie Matt Damon and Ben Afleck ever did.

After reading your post, I keep thinking of the long haired guy in the bar who kept trying to best Will by reciting books he read and Wil eventually told him to get an opinion of his own.

-Just say'in.

I see a lot of shit too - how "free" markets are manipulated, big money in politics, an electorate stuck in mindless jobs (coding advertising widgets and apps at Google and Facebook fall into that category too) and watching insipid TV programs for relaxation, a banking system that has run amok and a political class that has turned into an aristocracy (Really? We want another Clinton or Bush in the Whitehouse?! Or Kennedy?! How about an unknown from S. Dakota?!) and a business/CEO class that basically says "Let them eat cake!" - or - "Be lucky you are not in India!"

When I find myself getting very angry about an issue, it means I do not have all the facts. Because when I learn about the other side's view point, I soften.

I am pro-choice, but I respect and understand the pro-life folks.

I am pro-Second amendment - but yesterday, some asshole shot up a Fedex office that my wife visits often. I am quite understanding of the gun control folks.

Capitalism,.. as much as I hate it, I like to remember Richard Branson's take on it: 'It's not a perfect system, but it's the best we have so far.'

Getting angry and preachy solves nothing.

Being quiet, rational, and cunning - makes changes or keeps the status quo (see Koch brothers).

Ads; yuck. (2)

daedlanth (1658569) | about 7 months ago | (#46883227)

Slashdot can help the internet by not having 3+ minutes of ads before giving us content on a video stream; sickening, so sickening I turned it off & never got what I came for, BYE!

Huh? (1)

genner (694963) | about 7 months ago | (#46883273)

Someone want to explain this with actual facts instead of scary buzz words.

Amateur web site (0)

MemoryAid (675811) | about 7 months ago | (#46883795)

I was interested in this story until I checked out the page at stopthesecrecy.net. Centering blocks of text removed any credibility bestowed by a Slashdot reference. (I know I need a made-up html tag for that last sentence...maybe "/snark"?)

Did Slashdot hire a bunch of angry retired people? (0)

wcrowe (94389) | about 7 months ago | (#46883827)

This should never have made it to /. There's nothing in the summary or TFA that explains what we're all supposed to be upset about. It looks like the forwarded emails I get from angry, elderly acquaintances who have nothing better to do all day, since retirement, except to get all outraged over perceived problems which are always just around the corner, but never seem to actually occur.

On the other side (1)

manu0601 (2221348) | about 7 months ago | (#46886037)

Everyone know thay are also negociating the TTIP (Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership) with EU at the same time? The talks are so secret that even members of EU parliament do not know what is discussed.

Call our congress critter and say... what? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46891913)

So if I call my congressional representative, what do I say? "Hello? Um... this TPP thing... it's bad. " The reason I don't bother calling my representatives or writing to them is that I wouldn't know what to say, or how to say it in a way that I'll be taken seriously.

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