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219 comments

Ghostery (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46915637)

Ghostery does a great job of this already... However, the problem with these types of tools is they frequently break some type of (needed) functionality on the site.

7 caught on Slashdot right now.

Re:Ghostery (5, Informative)

CRCulver (715279) | about 3 months ago | (#46915691)

Ghostery is under a proprietary license and Evidon, the company that owns it, is involved in the online advertising industry. I trust the EFF a lot more.

FWIW, though, you can get many of the same benefits of Ghostery without installing that plugin by simply processing its lists through a Privoxy filter (the conversion is fairly easy to script and then automate), so Privoxy zaps all those IPs before they even get to the browser.

Re:Ghostery (2)

ArmoredDragon (3450605) | about 3 months ago | (#46915725)

As of very recently though, Ghostery takes a step further by providing surrogate scripts that replace the function needed by these websites, only without the tracking. It's really nice because you very rarely need to pause it or add exceptions now.

Re:Ghostery (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46915885)

or just use Disconnect

Re:Ghostery (3, Insightful)

mysidia (191772) | about 3 months ago | (#46915813)

However, the problem with these types of tools is they frequently break some type of (needed) functionality on the site.

I imagine if any plugin gets /really/ popular, the tracking bugs will get modified so they work again, OR publishers/advertisers may start modifying their content to include tests to ensure the health of the tracking bug, before allowing the visitor to view content.

Maybe you just get half a sheet of text, or the first 1.3 windowfuls, then the site will pick up on the tracking bug being broken, and stop rendering content -- while displaying an error about the need to disable such and such plugin to use the site, or waiting until "countermeasure against tracker bug blocking" succeeds.

Re:Ghostery (2)

djsmiley (752149) | about 3 months ago | (#46915835)

theres enuf sites that we can go else where.

Search engine optimization (4, Informative)

tepples (727027) | about 3 months ago | (#46915889)

Maybe you just get half a sheet of text, or the first 1.3 windowfuls, then the site will pick up on the tracking bug being broken

If a web server is configured to deliver only the abstract to viewers behind user agents that include tracking countermeasures, then it will deliver only the abstract to search engines. They tend to retrieve pages with no JavaScript, no Referer, and no cookies.

Re:Search engine optimization (1)

mysidia (191772) | about 3 months ago | (#46915989)

then it will deliver only the abstract to search engines. They tend to retrieve pages with no JavaScript, no Referer, and no cookies.

The IP address ranges that search engines crawl from are well known, and they can easily backdoor their countermeasures for search engines alone.

Also, if I recall correctly; Google actually runs javascript.

I'm sure any countermeasure will be designed so the major search engines can index their content

Re:Search engine optimization (1)

Noah Haders (3621429) | about 3 months ago | (#46916293)

Also, google runs chrome so I don't see why eff is engaging with it.

That's called cloaking (2)

tepples (727027) | about 3 months ago | (#46916303)

they can easily backdoor their countermeasures for search engines alone.

That's called cloaking, and search engines severely penalize cloakers as they become aware of them.

Re:That's called cloaking (2)

mysidia (191772) | about 3 months ago | (#46916349)

That's called cloaking, and search engines severely penalize cloakers as they become aware of them.

I see 'cloaking' like things all the time; where the real page comes up with a paywall if you try to access, and it is essentially never really penalized when done by the legitimate websites, so you're observation doesn't quite match reality.

Also it's technically not cloaking if the page content when viewed by a user (without alterations by 3rd party software such as bug blockers or Greasemonkey scripts) matches what the search engine sees.

Re:That's called cloaking (2)

ShieldW0lf (601553) | about 3 months ago | (#46917803)

Is there any good way to filter sites that offer teasers and paywall additional pages so you don't need to wade through them? Because google top ranks those pages a lot, and it's made it a very inefficient way to find information. It's always high profile sites that used to be big players in the print domain, and I know they're paying google for the exposure. I'd switch to a different search engine if they were uncompromising with those types of teaser-paywall websites. They're just noise, as far as I'm concerned.

Re:Ghostery (2)

PopeRatzo (965947) | about 3 months ago | (#46916163)

Maybe you just get half a sheet of text, or the first 1.3 windowfuls, then the site will pick up on the tracking bug being broken, and stop rendering content

That makes it really easy to determine which web sites I should never visit because the sites purveyors are hostile to my best interests.

I wish sites that are using creepy tracking bugs would act in a manner that made them unusable. It would make life so much easier.

Re:Ghostery (2)

mwvdlee (775178) | about 3 months ago | (#46917365)

Slashdot uses creepy tracking bugs.
How come you're commenting here if you never visit this site?

Re:Ghostery (1)

TheCarp (96830) | about 3 months ago | (#46917889)

Tis true, looking at requestpolicy now it has not loaded content from:
"scorecardsearch.com"
"doubleclick.net"
"gstatic.com"

Not visiting sites that associate with creepy sites is indeed too limiting when there are such simple solutions

Re:Ghostery (1)

blackicye (760472) | about 3 months ago | (#46916959)

However, the problem with these types of tools is they frequently break some type of (needed) functionality on the site.

These sites are not going to like the way that users are going to work around this; by visiting other sites.

There is so little unique content being generated now, that will just go to other sites with more progressive privacy policies, or disable the app grudgingly if we're feeling lazy or can't find the content elsewhere, and hold it against them for all eternity.

Re:Ghostery (1)

GumphMaster (772693) | about 3 months ago | (#46917001)

A radio station I listen to recently rebranded. Their "improved" web site does not deliver content without the WebTrends tracking code being allowed through NoScript/Ghostery. I seems to do do some magic callback foo to achieve this. This behaviour seems to rapidly expanding on the site; I found a page today that required NetCensus tracking as well. Curiously I get more content if I block JS altogether (although not fully functional). http://doublej.net.au/ [doublej.net.au]

Re:Ghostery (1)

SuricouRaven (1897204) | about 3 months ago | (#46917517)

I wonder if it's be practical to screw the tracking up with false data?

I'm thinking a browser plugin which has a list of tracking server addresses - and a few times each day will swap a randomly picked subset of the cookies for those sites with those of another randomly picked user of the plugin.

Re:Ghostery (1)

TheCarp (96830) | about 3 months ago | (#46917929)

I think it would be better to just expire them quickly, like say, daily or every browser session, or after every tab close.

Another fun one would be to maintain a list of ad cookies etc...and toss them in a public pool. Whenever you need one, your browser consults the pool and gets one, uses it for a bit, then goes and switches to another one. Do some distributed database poisoning.

Re:Ghostery (2)

Wootery (1087023) | about 3 months ago | (#46917721)

I imagine if any plugin gets /really/ popular, the tracking bugs will get modified so they work again

Maybe, but even an incredibly popular Firefox plugin is still only there for a small percentage of an average page's visitors.

Ghostery = Inferior + 'Souled-Out' (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46916109)

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P.S.=> Currently adding 2 features to it:

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AND

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watever, douche (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46916375)

dafuq cares about the hosts file in 2014? loser.

Re:watever, douche (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46916757)

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Re:watever, douche (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46917713)

It's only as good as the list, i'll stick to noscript thx

Re:Ghostery = Inferior + 'Souled-Out' (0)

ShieldW0lf (601553) | about 3 months ago | (#46917755)

This is slashdot. We turn web servers into smouldering ruin.

I'm sure if each of us were to pick up the phone and give Mr Coward a single call and send him a single email, that would probably give him something else to think about...

http://website.informer.com/Pa... [informer.com]

Company: Panisz Peter
Address: Kossuth Lajos u. 51 Dunabogdany 2023 HU
Phone: +36.203367173
Fax: +36.203367173

2 most popular domains of this owner:
start64.com
android-x86.info

info@start64.com

Ghostery = 'Souled-Out' & Inferior to hosts (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46916775)

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http://start64.com/index.php?o... [start64.com]

(Details of hosts' benefits enumerated in link)

Summary:

---

A. ) Hosts do more than AdBlock ("souled-out" 2 Google/Crippled by default) + Ghostery (Advertiser owned) - "Fox guards henhouse", or Request Policy -> http://yro.slashdot.org/commen... [slashdot.org]

B. ) Hosts add reliability vs. downed or redirected DNS + secure vs. known malicious domains too -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comme... [slashdot.org] w/ less added "moving parts" complexity + room 4 breakdown,

C. ) Hosts files yield more speed (blocks ads & hardcodes fav sites - faster than remote DNS), security (vs. malicious domains serving mal-content + block spam/phish), reliability (vs. downed or Kaminsky redirect vulnerable DNS, 99% = unpatched vs. it & worst @ ISP level + weak vs FastFlux + DynDNS botnets), & anonymity (vs. dns request logs + DNSBL's).

---

Hosts do more w/ less (1 file) @ a faster level (ring 0) vs redundant browser addons (slowing up slower ring 3 browsers) via filtering 4 the IP stack (coded in C, loads w/ OS, & 1st net resolver queried w\ 45++ yrs.of optimization).

* Addons are more complex + slowup browsers in message passing (use a few concurrently - you'll see) - Addons slowdown SLOWER usermode browsers layering on MORE: I work w/ what you have in kernelmode, via hosts ( A tightly integrated PART of the IP stack itself )

APK

P.S.=> Currently adding 2 features to it:

1.) 'Shearing away' tracker you CAN'T see, via code techniques that emulate a netstat -ano albeit on an automated timer to do so, as I did here on slashdot (much like how "PEERBLOCK" operates, but, not using ADDED COMPLEXITY laying in a filtering driver, but instead, using the native Windows firewall, creating rulesets for that much too)

AND

2.) Making it FASTER on its slowest part (Convert & Filter) by breaking the file into 100 parts (which process FASTER already than doing the single large intake I do currently) by August!

... apk

Re:Ghostery (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46916815)

Seven bugses right here on SD does not surprise me. Everywhere you go on the web now calls in crapware from a dozen other unrelated websites. Good on the EFF, but its a bit late as the marketeers and big data people already have everything - any new data merely confirms your habits have not changed. The time to fix the internet was back in 1996 - 1998, but everyone was making bubble money and times were too good to be true.

Re:Ghostery (1)

Charliemopps (1157495) | about 3 months ago | (#46917759)

Ghostery does a great job of this already... However, the problem with these types of tools is they frequently break some type of (needed) functionality on the site.

7 caught on Slashdot right now.

The sites are designed that way intentionally. "What if they disable cookies? I know, make cookies required to stay logged in!" etc...

What's the difference (3, Insightful)

NapalmV (1934294) | about 3 months ago | (#46915639)

How's this different or better than adblock / ghostery / flashblock / noscript / do not accept third party cookies ?

Re:What's the difference (2)

Mitreya (579078) | about 3 months ago | (#46915675)

How's this different or better than adblock / ghostery / flashblock / noscript / do not accept third party cookies ?

Maybe it can replace 2+ of them? That would be nice. Installing 4-5 tools for one task is a pain

Also, NoScript specifically breaks 3 out of 4 websites until you figure out which half-a-dozen domains must execute JavaScript for each damn website. I remember how chase.com had a most fraudulent looking domain in order to let me login to my checking account.

Re:What's the difference (4, Insightful)

Mashiki (184564) | about 3 months ago | (#46915703)

Also, NoScript specifically breaks 3 out of 4 websites until you figure out which half-a-dozen domains must execute JavaScript for each damn website.

I think you mean website developers are so reliant on JS these days, that they think they can't write a site without such heavy use of it that sneezing at it will break their site.

Re:What's the difference (1)

mujadaddy (1238164) | about 3 months ago | (#46915785)

I think you mean website developers are so reliant on JS these days, that they think they can't write a site without such heavy use of it that sneezing at it will break their site.

Javascript does some good stuff. When I'm building something, I make sure that the good stuff it does is on the same domain as the website on which I want it done, though. Your mileage will vary.

Re:What's the difference (3, Informative)

sjames (1099) | about 3 months ago | (#46915845)

That's the best policy. The problem isn't sites using JS, it's sites sucking in random bits of JS from 5 otrhert domains that each suck in yet more bits from 3 or 4 additional domains.

Generally whjen I see that, I decide they're trying to convince me to just allow all witrhout seeing everything I'm allowing. That, in turn, tells me that that's is the last thing I should do so I leave the page and never go back.

Re:What's the difference (1)

gbjbaanb (229885) | about 3 months ago | (#46917593)

All good in practice, but those site typically use javascript libraries (eg jquery) and they pull in the lib from the original site rather than host it themselves (does this help bandwidth, ie with caching of it?)

i guess you can simply whitelist these library links, but there seems to be so many of them nowadays.

One example: Slashdot's owner, Dice Holdings (-1, Flamebait)

Futurepower(R) (558542) | about 3 months ago | (#46915811)

Here is an example of what you said:

A company called Dice Holdings now owns Slashdot. Whoever wrote the code for the corporate governance [diceholdingsinc.com] part of the Dice Holdings web site borrowed some JavaScript from a web site called dynamicdrive.com. That unnecessarily complicated code displays very poorly in some browsers and browser configurations, including the ones I normally use.

I'm guessing that most web sites are made by young women who fancy themselves to be graphic designers who use junk Javascript they found somewhere. Or, made by people who want to use company time to practice using Javascript so they can get a job as some place at which they would actually like to work.

Anyhow, many web sites are amazingly complicated. I would like to understand the sociology of how that happens. Obviously, the top managers are not providing managerial overview. I'm guessing that they have no knowledge of HTML or Javascript, and just let things happen.

Re:One example: Slashdot's owner, Dice Holdings (5, Insightful)

PopeRatzo (965947) | about 3 months ago | (#46916191)

I'm guessing that most web sites are made by young women who fancy themselves to be graphic designers

Get the fuck out with your stupid techie misogyny.

If your "guessing" involves generalization to the point of an ugly absurdity, you should check yourself. You make it sound like you have a particular beef, maybe with a particular woman (or women) and now you believe that all bad web code is caused by women. It's a bad place to be.

If you want to say, "I have encountered some young women who fancy themselves graphic designers..." you would at least be on more reasonable ground, but then you need to ask yourself, "Does the fact that this group of people were women really have any impact on my statement?"

Now knock it off. People get skeeved out by misogyny and it's pretty easy to pick up on, so the next time you're looking for a job you might just walk away wondering, "That didn't seem to go well, it's probably because of that woman who interviewed me. They're all whores you know".

Re:One example: Slashdot's owner, Dice Holdings (1)

sjames (1099) | about 3 months ago | (#46917321)

Sadly, had he said inexperienced wannabe graphic designers, he'd probably be right.

Your response is about your anger, not about women (-1, Troll)

Futurepower(R) (558542) | about 3 months ago | (#46917607)

I'm amazed at your response. I suppose you are a man who thinks he is being pro-woman. You aren't. You are just being angry. (A woman would not call herself "Pope Ratzo".)

It's a fact, I think, that most of the people who choose to become good programmers are men. It requires a good programmer to use Javascript wisely. (It seemed to me that Javascript was usually used un-wisely until I saw the way it was used by Google in the early days of GMail.)

My comment is based on my experiences with women I've known. I've had close relationships with them. My experience is that women who are skilled at graphic arts would agree that often unskilled graphic artists are young women, that unskilled graphic artists almost always borrow Javascript rather than write it themselves, and that the borrowing often doesn't show insight into the way it is used.

If something is generally true, it is okay to say it is generally true.

Anyhow, my comment agrees with the comment to which I replied that Javascript is often used unwisely, and gives the owners of Slashdot as an example.

Whether or not my experience shows insight into why the Javascript computer language is used foolishly, that is a social problem that needs to be understood. We need to gather information. We need to make theories that fit the information and test those theories.

I'm interested to know what theories other people have about the poor use of Javascript.

Re:One example: Slashdot's owner, Dice Holdings (-1, Troll)

ShieldW0lf (601553) | about 3 months ago | (#46917723)

I'm guessing that most web sites are made by young women who fancy themselves to be graphic designers

Get the fuck out with your stupid techie misogyny.

If your "guessing" involves generalization to the point of an ugly absurdity, you should check yourself. You make it sound like you have a particular beef, maybe with a particular woman (or women) and now you believe that all bad web code is caused by women. It's a bad place to be.

If you want to say, "I have encountered some young women who fancy themselves graphic designers..." you would at least be on more reasonable ground, but then you need to ask yourself, "Does the fact that this group of people were women really have any impact on my statement?"

Now knock it off. People get skeeved out by misogyny and it's pretty easy to pick up on, so the next time you're looking for a job you might just walk away wondering, "That didn't seem to go well, it's probably because of that woman who interviewed me. They're all whores you know".

The bitches have invaded our retreat. There goes the neighborhood...

Go bake someone a cake. You're not wanted here. Seriously. We don't want to hear it. This is not your community. You are not one of us, and you never will be. You bring strife with you in your endless quest for attention, and not a whole fuck of a lot else. You'll never be accepted, you'll never be an asset, and you should just give up and do something else.

We are geeks. If we were vulnerable to your emotional manipulation, we would have given up on being geeks and bought some fashionable clothes a long fucking time ago. We're invulnerable to your crap and find it incredibly tiresome when you get insist on transforming every conversation into a big discussion about whoever you're butthurt about on this particular day. You will never succeed in changing us.

Re:What's the difference (3, Informative)

FuzzNugget (2840687) | about 3 months ago | (#46915919)

It's not that websites shouldn't rely on JavaScript to function, it's that they shouldn't rely on *third-party* JavaScripts from jQuery, a thousand fucking ad servers, a plugin from here and there, Google tracking... that's why what should be a basic website takes forever to load: it's having to make requests to 50 different servers to load a single page.

JavaScript-dependent websites *can* be done properly. Most are not.

Re:What's the difference (3, Insightful)

Nemyst (1383049) | about 3 months ago | (#46915997)

I disagree. If websites relied purely on a single javascript block, then filtering out the tracking, advertising and other bullshitting scripts would be a lot harder than it is now, where most of the external scripts are stuff you want to block. You can generally allow the site itself (and if it's big enough, perhaps a CDN and another domain or two) and you'll get the site without the shit.

Also, hosting relatively large scripts like jQuery on their own, static path helps a lot for caching. You have one copy of the script for dozens of sites, instead of dozens of copies of the same file.

Re:What's the difference (4, Informative)

crow (16139) | about 3 months ago | (#46915677)

This monitors the behavior of web sites, not the function. So if there's a non-advertising site that just puts out tracking bugs, it will get blocked. If there's an advertising site that doesn't send tracking cookies, it won't be blocked. There's no blacklist--it's all based on observed behavior.

Re:What's the difference (3, Informative)

Arker (91948) | about 3 months ago | (#46915861)

It sounds like a great idea. HTTPS Everywhere is a must have extension, and this looks set to join it. Thanks EFF!

And in a related note, both of these fine extension works fine in Pale Moon, but refuse to install in Seamonkey, which is a deciding factor in which one I am going to use in the future. I dont know why it breaks in Seamonkey but if anyone does please chime in. Is it just a matter of a bad compatibility check or is there more to it?

Re:What's the difference (1)

fustakrakich (1673220) | about 3 months ago | (#46916363)

Unfortunately, I can only confirm the problem. It's probably a UI thing, since Firefox is laying on the chrome pretty thick. And I'm not giving up my Netscape either.

Re:What's the difference (2)

fermion (181285) | about 3 months ago | (#46915951)

not sure. I use a cookie blocker that by default rejects all cookies. I can manually accept cookies, first party cookies are pretty easy to enable, for the session or persistent. With this extension the badger complains it can't do it's job. The difference is that the cookie software shows about 30 third party cookies for slashdot, not sure if the tracking is historical or only for a single page, but the badger shows 5. The difference is that my cookie software rejects all these third party cookies by default, which is the behavior I want, but badger requires you to move a slider and turn off each cookie individually. The setting may be able to change this, I have not looked because any use of the badger reloads the page, thus giving the website more data. In any case, the default behavior should be to reject any third party cookie But cookies are only one way to track users. There are also things like web bugs. Badger says it only deals with tracking cookies. These are threats to privacy, but only one, and we can deal with it with existing technology. Camino, which was started 12 years ago, implemented cookie rejects several years ago.

Hosts Files do MORE than any browser addon (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46916119)

APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ 32/64-bit:

http://start64.com/index.php?o... [start64.com]

(Details of hosts' benefits enumerated in link)

Summary:

---

A. ) Hosts do more than AdBlock ("souled-out" 2 Google/Crippled by default) + Ghostery (Advertiser owned) - "Fox guards henhouse", or Request Policy -> http://yro.slashdot.org/commen... [slashdot.org]

B. ) Hosts add reliability vs. downed or redirected DNS + secure vs. known malicious domains too -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comme... [slashdot.org] w/ less added "moving parts" complexity + room 4 breakdown,

C. ) Hosts files yield more speed (blocks ads & hardcodes fav sites - faster than remote DNS), security (vs. malicious domains serving mal-content + block spam/phish), reliability (vs. downed or Kaminsky redirect vulnerable DNS, 99% = unpatched vs. it & worst @ ISP level + weak vs FastFlux + DynDNS botnets), & anonymity (vs. dns request logs + DNSBL's).

---

Hosts do more w/ less (1 file) @ a faster level (ring 0) vs redundant browser addons (slowing up slower ring 3 browsers) via filtering 4 the IP stack (coded in C, loads w/ OS, & 1st net resolver queried w\ 45++ yrs.of optimization).

* Addons are more complex + slowup browsers in message passing (use a few concurrently - you'll see) - Addons slowdown SLOWER usermode browsers layering on MORE: I work w/ what you have in kernelmode, via hosts ( A tightly integrated PART of the IP stack itself )

APK

P.S.=> Currently adding 2 features to it:

1.) 'Shearing away' trackers you CAN'T see, via code techniques that emulate a netstat -ano albeit on an automated timer to do so, as I did here on slashdot (much like how "PEERBLOCK" operates, but, not using ADDED COMPLEXITY laying in a filtering driver, but instead, using the native Windows firewall, creating rulesets for that much too)

AND

2.) Making it FASTER on its slowest part (Convert & Filter) by breaking the file into 100 parts (which process FASTER already than doing the single large intake I do currently) by August!

... apk

Hosts do more than any single browser addon (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46916787)

APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ 32/64-bit:

http://start64.com/index.php?o... [start64.com]

(Details of hosts' benefits enumerated in link)

Summary:

---

A. ) Hosts do more than AdBlock ("souled-out" 2 Google/Crippled by default) + Ghostery (Advertiser owned) - "Fox guards henhouse", or Request Policy -> http://yro.slashdot.org/commen... [slashdot.org]

B. ) Hosts add reliability vs. downed or redirected DNS + secure vs. known malicious domains too -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comme... [slashdot.org] w/ less added "moving parts" complexity + room 4 breakdown,

C. ) Hosts files yield more speed (blocks ads & hardcodes fav sites - faster than remote DNS), security (vs. malicious domains serving mal-content + block spam/phish), reliability (vs. downed or Kaminsky redirect vulnerable DNS, 99% = unpatched vs. it & worst @ ISP level + weak vs FastFlux + DynDNS botnets), & anonymity (vs. dns request logs + DNSBL's).

---

Hosts do more w/ less (1 file) @ a faster level (ring 0) vs redundant browser addons (slowing up slower ring 3 browsers) via filtering 4 the IP stack (coded in C, loads w/ OS, & 1st net resolver queried w\ 45++ yrs.of optimization).

* Addons are more complex + slowup browsers in message passing (use a few concurrently - you'll see) - Addons slowdown SLOWER usermode browsers layering on MORE: I work w/ what you have in kernelmode, via hosts ( A tightly integrated PART of the IP stack itself )

APK

P.S.=> Currently adding 2 features to it:

1.) 'Shearing away' tracker you CAN'T see, via code techniques that emulate a netstat -ano albeit on an automated timer to do so, as I did here on slashdot (much like how "PEERBLOCK" operates, but, not using ADDED COMPLEXITY laying in a filtering driver, but instead, using the native Windows firewall, creating rulesets for that much too)

AND

2.) Making it FASTER on its slowest part (Convert & Filter) by breaking the file into 100 parts (which process FASTER already than doing the single large intake I do currently) by August!

... apk

What's somewhat funny about it (4, Funny)

Opportunist (166417) | about 3 months ago | (#46915647)

Install it and it will show you a page where you can link to Twitter, Facebook and Google+ to tell people about how awesome it is.

Is that supposed to be cynical or ... I don't know, I find it kinda funny. Isn't it supposedly blocking pages like that?

Re:What's somewhat funny about it (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46915827)

Install it and it will show you a page where you can link to Twitter, Facebook and Google+ to tell people about how awesome it is.

Is that supposed to be cynical or ... I don't know, I find it kinda funny. Isn't it supposedly blocking pages like that?

Might I direct you to the app price tag.

Yes, that's right, it's the same price as 99.99% of other shit you download and complain about privacy. Free.

I don't know, I find it kinda sad. Aren't users supposed to be smarter than the people manipulating them?

Re:What's somewhat funny about it (1)

Opportunist (166417) | about 3 months ago | (#46917885)

Because it's free I must not complain about it?

TANSTAAFL. So what's the price for the lunch? Should I bring the lube along?

Re:What's somewhat funny about it (1)

The New Guy 2.0 (3497907) | about 3 months ago | (#46915879)

Yep... everybody wants the viral marketing effect. Thing is, all those sites are ad supported.

For total control of that yourself? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46916125)

APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ 32/64-bit:

http://start64.com/index.php?o... [start64.com]

(Details of hosts' benefits enumerated in link)

Summary:

---

A. ) Hosts do more than AdBlock ("souled-out" 2 Google/Crippled by default) + Ghostery (Advertiser owned) - "Fox guards henhouse", or Request Policy -> http://yro.slashdot.org/commen... [slashdot.org]

B. ) Hosts add reliability vs. downed or redirected DNS + secure vs. known malicious domains too -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comme... [slashdot.org] w/ less added "moving parts" complexity + room 4 breakdown,

C. ) Hosts files yield more speed (blocks ads & hardcodes fav sites - faster than remote DNS), security (vs. malicious domains serving mal-content + block spam/phish), reliability (vs. downed or Kaminsky redirect vulnerable DNS, 99% = unpatched vs. it & worst @ ISP level + weak vs FastFlux + DynDNS botnets), & anonymity (vs. dns request logs + DNSBL's).

---

Hosts do more w/ less (1 file) @ a faster level (ring 0) vs redundant browser addons (slowing up slower ring 3 browsers) via filtering 4 the IP stack (coded in C, loads w/ OS, & 1st net resolver queried w\ 45++ yrs.of optimization).

* Addons are more complex + slowup browsers in message passing (use a few concurrently - you'll see) - Addons slowdown SLOWER usermode browsers layering on MORE: I work w/ what you have in kernelmode, via hosts ( A tightly integrated PART of the IP stack itself )

APK

P.S.=> Currently adding 2 features to it:

1.) 'Shearing away' trackers you CAN'T see, via code techniques that emulate a netstat -ano albeit on an automated timer to do so, as I did here on slashdot (much like how "PEERBLOCK" operates, but, not using ADDED COMPLEXITY laying in a filtering driver, but instead, using the native Windows firewall, creating rulesets for that much too)

AND

2.) Making it FASTER on its slowest part (Convert & Filter) by breaking the file into 100 parts (which process FASTER already than doing the single large intake I do currently) by August!

... apk

For total control of that yourself? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46916795)

APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ 32/64-bit:

http://start64.com/index.php?o... [start64.com]

(Details of hosts' benefits enumerated in link)

Summary:

---

A. ) Hosts do more than AdBlock ("souled-out" 2 Google/Crippled by default) + Ghostery (Advertiser owned) - "Fox guards henhouse", or Request Policy -> http://yro.slashdot.org/commen... [slashdot.org]

B. ) Hosts add reliability vs. downed or redirected DNS + secure vs. known malicious domains too -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comme... [slashdot.org] w/ less added "moving parts" complexity + room 4 breakdown,

C. ) Hosts files yield more speed (blocks ads & hardcodes fav sites - faster than remote DNS), security (vs. malicious domains serving mal-content + block spam/phish), reliability (vs. downed or Kaminsky redirect vulnerable DNS, 99% = unpatched vs. it & worst @ ISP level + weak vs FastFlux + DynDNS botnets), & anonymity (vs. dns request logs + DNSBL's).

---

Hosts do more w/ less (1 file) @ a faster level (ring 0) vs redundant browser addons (slowing up slower ring 3 browsers) via filtering 4 the IP stack (coded in C, loads w/ OS, & 1st net resolver queried w\ 45++ yrs.of optimization).

* Addons are more complex + slowup browsers in message passing (use a few concurrently - you'll see) - Addons slowdown SLOWER usermode browsers layering on MORE: I work w/ what you have in kernelmode, via hosts ( A tightly integrated PART of the IP stack itself )

APK

P.S.=> Currently adding 2 features to it:

1.) 'Shearing away' tracker you CAN'T see, via code techniques that emulate a netstat -ano albeit on an automated timer to do so, as I did here on slashdot (much like how "PEERBLOCK" operates, but, not using ADDED COMPLEXITY laying in a filtering driver, but instead, using the native Windows firewall, creating rulesets for that much too)

AND

2.) Making it FASTER on its slowest part (Convert & Filter) by breaking the file into 100 parts (which process FASTER already than doing the single large intake I do currently) by August!

... apk

Problem Illustrated (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46915669)

Does it not illustrate the problem perfectly when you browse to the EFF site pushing an alpha version of a tool to block and the download page has a tracker on it?

Re:Problem Illustrated (1)

sjames (1099) | about 3 months ago | (#46917323)

Worse, the site that recommends it has multiple trackers on it that Privacy Badger flagged almost immediately.

Great (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46915757)

Looking forward to EFF's creepy online tracking with this plugin.

DUPE! (1)

The New Guy 2.0 (3497907) | about 3 months ago | (#46915807)

We've already discussed this recently, and the problem is the tracking sites will just go to IP based tracking.

NAT and proxies (3, Interesting)

tepples (727027) | about 3 months ago | (#46915905)

the tracking sites will just go to IP based tracking.

Good luck with IP address-based tracking when you have 10,000 different people behind one IPv4 address. This can happen with carrier-grade NAT [wikipedia.org] , with ISP-wide caching proxies like those used by AOL and the ISP formerly known as Qtel [wikipedia.org] , or with Tor exits.

Or did you mean the other kind of IP [gnu.org] ?

Re:NAT and proxies (4, Funny)

SuricouRaven (1897204) | about 3 months ago | (#46917527)

Problem:
1. Man goes to kinkybondagesmut.com on his PC.
2. Seven-year-old daughter goes to ad-funded sillychildishgame.com on iPad.
3. Ad-network consult their profile and determine this IP address is currently in used by an adult male with an interest in pornograhy.
4. Family consults their local moral crusader organisation. Legal action is taken.

I beat that with Firewall Filtering... apk (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46916145)

Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00

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IP Addresses I found connecting to me on SLASHDOT via NIRSOFT Network Latency Viewer... apk|"

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IP Addresses I found connecting to me on SLASHDOT>/b> via NIRSOFT Network Latency Viewer... apk|"

APK

I beat that with Firewall Filtering.... apk (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46916827)

Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\services\SharedAccess\Parameters\FirewallPolicy\FirewallRules]
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IP Addresses I found connecting to me on SLASHDOT via NIRSOFT Network Latency Viewer... apk|"

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IP Addresses I found connecting to me on SLASHDOT via NIRSOFT Network Latency Viewer... apk|"

APK

Re:DUPE! (1)

gl4ss (559668) | about 3 months ago | (#46917401)

and they'll have one visitor from at&t mobile who is obviously flooding the system and ban that.. oh...

Somebody causing trouble? (1)

The New Guy 2.0 (3497907) | about 3 months ago | (#46915817)

I'm not sure why they're publishing this at EFF... this isn't a new idea, and doesn't work well enough for a retread.

So, let's speculate. Is there an ad provider out of line like DoubleClick was before it was Google. If there is, can't Slashdot call for ISPs to firewall it into non-existance?

Re: Somebody causing trouble? (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46915917)

You actually think Slashdot is relevant enough to render ANY site out of existence? Even Malda abandoned this trash heap when he realized what it had turned into.
Now the most "relevant" stories on this site are whatever tech and Internet articles that get cherrypicked from Reddit...about a week after the fact.

Enjoy your fantasy world while it lasts, I'm willing to bet Dice cuts this site off like a skin tag once they're done losing money on it.

really (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46915819)

Is it just me or is the name more creepy than what it's trying to fix?

Mushroom mushroom (1)

tepples (727027) | about 3 months ago | (#46915923)

If EFF is the Privacy Badger, then who's the ARGH! Snake! A snake! [weebls-stuff.com]

Useless colors (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46915833)

Considering the very high rates of red/green colour-blindness, the visual warning is fucking useless. I do not understand how, in a predominantly male industry, programmers don't realise the uselessness of Red Green indicators. Is it so incredibly hard to do blue, red, black? Or some combo that will read for even fray scale colorblindness?

Re:Useless colors (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46916043)

It isn't that it's hard, people just don't know that some colours might be inconvenient. If you want to solve the problem, create an extension to remap the colors, either only on the webpage or the whole screen, into something visible. Not trivial, but certainly much easier than convincing web-designers that their colour-scheme isn't perfect.

Re:Useless colors (1)

sjames (1099) | about 3 months ago | (#46916277)

The position of the slider is a secondary indicator.

Re:Useless colors (1)

gbjbaanb (229885) | about 3 months ago | (#46917633)

yeah but what about red/blue/black colourblindness?

My mate is colour blind and he worked for the rail industry.. on signalling. You may think "OMG WTF?!" but he can function in the real world, red is always the one at the top, green at the bottom and they're different shades of grey to him.

Anyway what is it in a predominantly geek users that they can't fucking search for tools [hellboundbloggers.com] to assist them with their disability.

Does it block Piwik Analytics? (4, Funny)

EmagGeek (574360) | about 3 months ago | (#46915965)

Because this is the tracker the EFF has on the download page for "Privacy Badger."

Re:Does it block Piwik Analytics? (3, Informative)

Ford Prefect (8777) | about 3 months ago | (#46916027)

Piwik [wikipedia.org] is a self-hosted web analytics package. In other words, your visit to an EFF page is being tracked by the EFF.

Re:Does it block Piwik Analytics? (1)

bananaquackmoo (1204116) | about 3 months ago | (#46916727)

I'm guessing his point is that he would prefer it to not be tracked at all.

Re:Does it block Piwik Analytics? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46916871)

The only way to block a site from storing your IP address is to use an anonymizing proxy, e.g. using Tor.

Re:Does it block Piwik Analytics? (2)

lemur3 (997863) | about 3 months ago | (#46917381)

when did being interested in user logs and usage info become "tracking" (which is, these days, almost universally considered bad)?

Re:Does it block Piwik Analytics? (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46917531)

you guys are aware that scraping the logs of the webservers also gives you some overview of the usage of the site? Is reverse dns-lookup also considered tracking?

my point: monitoring your own site to make it better is fair use, giving this data to other entities is not.

I wonder how it deals with cookies (1)

willoughby (1367773) | about 3 months ago | (#46916017)

I'll check this out - it's nice to see something from EFF that I can install to match my EFF stickers :). I wonder about cookies, tho. IME some websites won't work if you block their cookies & it's better to just accept cookies then delete them after.

Re:I wonder how it deals with cookies (0)

Arker (91948) | about 3 months ago | (#46916665)

1) You mean you dont already have https everywhere?

2) It distinguishes cookie types and also has a greylist for things that we really dont want but are currently required to use major websites as well.

Re:I wonder how it deals with cookies (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46916907)

Cookie monster: accept session cookies.

What I want (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46916065)

I'm not sure the web needs yet another tracker blocking plug-in. What I want to see is an "ad blocker" that sends poisoned info, random garbage data that looks authentic. I remember reading an article some time ago that someone actually wrote such a beast, but refused to release it because it would be "inconvenient" for the ad people.

Far BETTER tool (Superior to browser addons) (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46916097)

APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ 32/64-bit:

http://start64.com/index.php?o... [start64.com]

(Details of hosts' benefits enumerated in link)

Summary:

---

A. ) Hosts do more than AdBlock ("souled-out" 2 Google/Crippled by default) + Ghostery (Advertiser owned) - "Fox guards henhouse", or Request Policy -> http://yro.slashdot.org/commen... [slashdot.org]

B. ) Hosts add reliability vs. downed or redirected DNS + secure vs. known malicious domains too -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comme... [slashdot.org] w/ less added "moving parts" complexity + room 4 breakdown,

C. ) Hosts files yield more speed (blocks ads & hardcodes fav sites - faster than remote DNS), security (vs. malicious domains serving mal-content + block spam/phish), reliability (vs. downed or Kaminsky redirect vulnerable DNS, 99% = unpatched vs. it & worst @ ISP level + weak vs FastFlux + DynDNS botnets), & anonymity (vs. dns request logs + DNSBL's).

---

Hosts do more w/ less (1 file) @ a faster level (ring 0) vs redundant browser addons (slowing up slower ring 3 browsers) via filtering 4 the IP stack (coded in C, loads w/ OS, & 1st net resolver queried w\ 45++ yrs.of optimization).

* Addons are more complex + slowup browsers in message passing (use a few concurrently - you'll see) - Addons slowdown SLOWER usermode browsers layering on MORE: I work w/ what you have in kernelmode, via hosts ( A tightly integrated PART of the IP stack itself )

APK

P.S.=> Currently adding 2 features to it:

1.) 'Shearing away' tracker you CAN'T see, via code techniques that emulate a netstat -ano albeit on an automated timer to do so, as I did here on slashdot (much like how "PEERBLOCK" operates, but, not using ADDED COMPLEXITY laying in a filtering driver, but instead, using the native Windows firewall, creating rulesets for that much too)

AND

2.) Making it FASTER on its slowest part (Convert & Filter) by breaking the file into 100 parts (which process FASTER already than doing the single large intake I do currently) by August!

... apk

Re:Far BETTER tool (Superior to browser addons) (1)

fizzer06 (1500649) | about 3 months ago | (#46916249)

You've posted this same thing like, what, four times? I've not seen a response by anyone NOT ANONYMOUS with knowledge of the product you're pushing. I saw the reference to it running Ring 0 and needing Admin rights to install.

So, no. I wouldn't touch that with a 10 foot pole.

I may be wrong about this, but it's better to be safe than re-install my OS.

Have questions about it (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46916265)

Of that nature? Ask Mr. Steven Burn (hpHosts MalwareBytes - part of the security community) @ http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl... [hosts-file.net] as he's seen my sourcecode and recommends it there as the best of its kind right there in fact.

It is. Clearly.

It does more with less, & more by far than any single competitor in this arena!

Simply by using tools you already have. Less is more is good engineering. Not bolting on more that operates in slower rings of privelege in usermode vs. a kernelmode subsystem doing the work perfected over decades now, in TCP/IP (which hosts is part of as a filter run from another kernelmode system for caching the way I do it, in the diskcaching subsystem (for large hosts files)).

APK

P.S.=> It works...

... apk

Re:Far BETTER tool (Superior to browser addons) (1)

tepples (727027) | about 3 months ago | (#46916325)

I've looked into it. I haven't tried APK's tool myself, seeing as I use Xubuntu on my primary laptop, but I do mention it on my page about a suggestion to improve operating systems' hosts file processing [pineight.com] .

Re:Far BETTER tool (Superior to browser addons) (2)

mmell (832646) | about 3 months ago | (#46916489)

Not sure I'd consider his stuff malware. APK's problem is that he expresses himself with all the eloquence of a drunken baboon with encephalitis.

Host files have their place - management of small networks, intranets, access to darknets, etc. APK is firmly convinced that his hostfile management system is somehow essential to fast, secure internet access. Again, if darknets are your thing, or DNS is somehow just way too insecure or unreliable for your tastes, or if something about RFC01035 is just wrong, give somebody else's product a look. APK makes it a point to threadjack every chance he gets, loads the board with unneeded invective and is in general a nuisance.

In closing - please don't feed the troll. They become dependent upon handouts and unable to function in the real world.

This is to ANY naysayer (you too) (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46916739)

Validly technically disprove 17 points enumerated here http://start64.com/index.php?o... [start64.com]

Since my app's ANYTHING BUT malware!

Heck - it's the best of its kind for added "layered-security"/"defense-in-depth" with less single part less moving parts complexity + room for breakdown or exploit in that capacity filter called hosts!

It just does FAR MORE FOR LESS + ESPECIALLY vs. any single browser addon there is!

(Doing so - bonus - @ a faster level of privelege operating in kernelmode vs. SLOW USERMODE + laying on messagepassing overheads browser addons have - especially crippled or 'souled-out' ones...).

* Then, you also have to show any of you "wannabe experts" have done a BETTER more useful tool yourself that does more than my program does for users in added speed, security, reliability, & even anonymity as well.

APK

P.S.=> Good luck - you & "your kind" would need a MIRACLE... & that? "Ain't happenin'"... no way, not vs. me, not in a MILLION years - you know it, I absolutely know it, & when everyone reading here sees you "Run, Forrest" RUN!!! from this challenge? They will too... lol, I truly love it!

... apk

Way too easy! (1)

mmell (832646) | about 3 months ago | (#46916809)

X^D

"Rinse, Lather, & Repeat" troll... apk (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46916841)

http://yro.slashdot.org/commen... [slashdot.org]

APK

P.S.=> ... And, keep doing your "Run, Forrest: RUN!!! from that challenge of mine to you above... Lmao, yes - YOU & "your kind" can NEVER ever overcome (making me correct yet again for the 1,000th time now on that very account vs. trolls like you on /.)...

... apk

Re:Way too easy! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46916999)

Re:Far BETTER tool (Superior to browser addons) (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46917937)

What I'd love to see is a plugin that will automatically remove (N - 1) of APK's posts (where N seems to be typically > 10). Can I do that with a host file?

I have an idea (1)

slashmydots (2189826) | about 3 months ago | (#46916223)

I should make a competing plugin where all it does is block Facebook completely. That'd probably be about as effective.

Re:I have an idea (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46916717)

I should make a competing plugin where all it does is block Facebook completely. That'd probably be about as effective.

Already done. [fanboy.co.nz] Just load the selected list into AdBlock and go.

AC (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46916283)

Not a trojan...

Fairly broken unfortunately (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46916761)

It claims to not break sites, but it breaks tons. I've been running it for a bit, but I'm getting tired of having to allow things that I don't see why they're blocked to begin with when they just end up breaking the functionality of sites.

No Thanks... (1)

MBC1977 (978793) | about 3 months ago | (#46916805)

The information they collect is negligible (even in aggregate). I'd rather pay that way, then to pay cash for these services (as this will happen if they can't make revenue via data collection).

Re:No Thanks... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46917193)

Plenty of websites don't cost a thing and don't have ads or do tracking. Some accept donations, and some don't.

If all of these websites that track you and and do all sorts of malicious nonsense vanished, I wouldn't even care. The Internet is bigger and more resilient than this nonsensical consumerist vision that people have of it.

I'd rather pay that way

Then you're ignorant and need to change your views about privacy.

Unblocking will be abused (2)

Dan Askme (2895283) | about 3 months ago | (#46916881)

If copies of Privacy Badger have already blocked your domain, you can unblock yourself by promising to respect the Do Not Track header in a way that conforms with the user's privacy policy. You can do that by posting a specific compliant DNT policy to the URL https://example.com/.well-know... [example.com] , where "example.com" is all of your DNT-compliant domains.

So in other words, To exclude a website from Privacy Badger, all a website needs to do is:
- Copy and paste https://www.eff.org/files/dnt-... [eff.org] to https://mywebsite.com/.well-kn... [mywebsite.com]

Give it a few weeks, let the advert sites copy and paste that file, plugin will be useless.

Amazing... (-1)

Kazoo the Clown (644526) | about 3 months ago | (#46917245)

I'm rather amazed that anyone is still using a desktop to do their browsing. I haven't for like, 5 years now. For any solution to work it needs either a mobile app or proxy server implementation. A browser plug-in? Welcome to 1996.

Re:Amazing... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46917923)

Dude, I wish I could be as cool as you.

Privacy Badger don't track you online... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46917943)

...Privacy Badger don't give a shit.

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