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Amazon Dispute Now Making Movies Harder To Order

Soulskill posted about 2 months ago | from the one-retailer-to-rule-them-all dept.

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trazom28 writes: Hachette books aren't the only products that are now harder to order on Amazon — the online retailer is going after movies, too. Amazon has turned off the preorder function for DVDs of prominent Warner Bros. films as it seeks to raise pressure on the company during negotiations. The Lego Movie, for example, is listed as "currently unavailable" on Amazon. Set for release in the home video marketplace on June 17, there is no option to place a preorder."

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Now wait (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47215689)

To be fair, WB is the one who put amazon in a crap situation in this one. They had a pre-order for a blue ray, for like $25....The move did exceptionally better than they anticipated, so WB decided NOT to produce the cheaper blu ray, and then put out a new $40 one. Amazon then had to cancel all the other cheaper pre orders, and deal with the legitimately pissed off customers. Amazon is doing some shady things, but they certainly aren't alone in it.

Re:Now wait (1)

mugetsu37 (1485997) | about 2 months ago | (#47215769)

It does say right in the story (provided by money.cnn.com) that "Warner is owned by Time Warner (TWX), the parent company of CNNMoney." At least somebody's being upfront about their propaganda.

Re:Now wait (1)

NotDrWho (3543773) | about 2 months ago | (#47215967)

At least it's not prefaced with Anderson Cooper feigning faux-outrage as he tells us that he's not going to show some video that his network has been showing all day.

Re:Now wait (1)

ZombieBraintrust (1685608) | about 2 months ago | (#47215875)

To be fair, WB is the one who put amazon in a crap situation in this one. They had a pre-order for a blue ray, for like $25....The move did exceptionally better than they anticipated, so WB decided NOT to produce the cheaper blu ray, and then put out a new $40 one. Amazon then had to cancel all the other cheaper pre orders, and deal with the legitimately pissed off customers. Amazon is doing some shady things, but they certainly aren't alone in it.

Is there a link to that story. Not finding anything in Google.

Re:Now wait (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47216787)

A search for "amazon lego movie bluray preorder cancelled" pulls up several pages explaining the issue. I don't know of any news stories that have run with it, but there is enough evidence of the standard 3d blu ray being last minute cut by WB and then the new "special" $40 one being its replacement. Amazon actually gave people a $10 credit if their preorder was cancelled.

Re:Now wait (5, Interesting)

DarkOx (621550) | about 2 months ago | (#47215933)

There is nothing shady about managing your suppliers. Every well run business does it. The only thing different is Amazon's suppliers are used to having monopoly power and getting any terms they want. Amazon is pushing back! Its a good for the consumer and I think ultimately will be good for the talent.

On the book side the job publishers actually do is shrinking (doubly so if we are talking e-books). Everyone I know that has ever had anything published or tried recently, tells me they are expected to provide manuscript in very very specific formats, already largely edited. At that point the only value adds pretty much come down to bundling it into the e-book container (they could do that themselves but for DRM signing etc) and access to the distribution channel (which Amazon could pretty easily provide them with directly), and some fancy name with authority behind it to slap on the work.

Amazon thinks they don't deserve such a big cut for all that lack of actual work; and I agree. The publishing industry does not have to be the gatekeepers anymore unless you want a large run of dead tree, where someone needs to put up real capital. A quick look at interest rates these days ought to give you an idea of what the real value of that is too.

The movie world is still a little different, the talent isn't in a position to produce a feature film, although that isn't necessarily the case with an animated work like "Lego Movie"; and if you look the gulf between what really talented folks can do in their basement vs. what Hollywood cranks out is for the most part narrowing too. So value the 'Studios' are providing is declining not matter what fantastic sums of money they manage to blow on the production. I am all for Amazon putting the squeeze on these guys too.

Amazon *IS* the market, the market should set prices. If Amazons history is any guide at all they will use any cost to compete, so as consumers we cant expect to see some of it passed on to use in the form of lower prices. I also can't think of well anything other than Amazon's own products Kindle etc, that are exclusive to them, so I am not worried about Amazon being a monopoly yet; someday it might be a concern but not now.

Re:Now wait (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47216119)

Largely I think publishers just don't give a fuck about quality anymore. If I judged publishers solely by the piss-poor print-to-e-book conversion jobs they've been doing I have to say they're fucking worthless. I'm reading one book right now on my kindle that makes it painfully clear no one at Bantam bothered to even edit the e-book format. There are so many word fuckups from the OCR process it's not even funny.

I've actually had similar experiences with Dune. It's just sad that they don't even bother checking the content after running it through OCR software and then they have the gaul to charge nearly $10 for what amounts to a fucking PDF.

Pisses me off to no end.

Re:Now wait (1)

t551 (1403141) | about 2 months ago | (#47216293)

Charles de Gaulle, or Asterix?

Re:Now wait (1)

rsborg (111459) | about 2 months ago | (#47216807)

Largely I think publishers just don't give a fuck about quality anymore. If I judged publishers solely by the piss-poor print-to-e-book conversion jobs they've been doing I have to say they're fucking worthless. I'm reading one book right now on my kindle that makes it painfully clear no one at Bantam bothered to even edit the e-book format. There are so many word fuckups from the OCR process it's not even funny.

Is it the case that the original publisher is also doing the e-book? I know sometimes authors retain rights to the e-book that the publisher doesn't get, and they may have chosen a bad e-book publishing model.

Re:Now wait (1)

CODiNE (27417) | about 2 months ago | (#47217179)

When you have a Gauls working for you... you charge whatever you want.

Re:Now wait (4, Insightful)

fistfullast33l (819270) | about 2 months ago | (#47216247)

While I agree in principle that publisher's are a bit superfluous to the publishing equation, acting solely as a middle man, you did leave out one major point regarding their value add. They provide substantial marketing muscle that it's not clear Amazon would provide to an individual author alone. They arrange book and media tours as well, especially for up and coming authors. Established authors obviously have their own agents or PR people who could help with this, but new authors have neither the resources nor the experience to participate in this critical marketing tool.

As a corollary - look at the Apple or Android app stores. Obviously the larger apps have marketing muscle behind them (in the form of publishers, of course), but the day that the individual could make a lot of money is few and far between. I would argue that the window for indie developer success lasted about 6 months after the app store launched. After that, you were just one person shouting in a crowd and had no chance to break even without marketing saavy or dumb luck.

Re:Now wait (-1, Troll)

thetoadwarrior (1268702) | about 2 months ago | (#47216287)

wow so much stupid. are you one of the palin kids?

Re:Now wait (1)

meustrus (1588597) | about 2 months ago | (#47216385)

The old, big content publishers may be stagnant and evil, but that doesn't mean Amazon will be any better. I for one do not welcome our new hipster overlords.

Re:Now wait (1)

mcgrew (92797) | about 2 months ago | (#47216831)

I think Amazon is getting arrogant and stupid, and think they own the market and have no competition. My books aren't affected, they're available at Amazon. But they're cheaper from Barnes & Noble, and B&N listed them in their catalog two days before Amazon did (I'm my own publisher, no hatchets are war nerd brothers).

I think it's dumb, B&N will eat their lunch. Want a WB movie or Hatchette book? B&N. And probably a hundred other places.

Re:Now wait (4, Insightful)

tlhIngan (30335) | about 2 months ago | (#47217065)

I think Amazon is getting arrogant and stupid, and think they own the market and have no competition. My books aren't affected, they're available at Amazon. But they're cheaper from Barnes & Noble, and B&N listed them in their catalog two days before Amazon did (I'm my own publisher, no hatchets are war nerd brothers).

I think it's dumb, B&N will eat their lunch. Want a WB movie or Hatchette book? B&N. And probably a hundred other places.

Amazon DOES own the market. The first place most people go to for a book or movie or any other thing online? Amazon. I know people who rarely spend a dollar outside of Amazon as Amazon has practically everything in one place. (Or if it's not available from Amazon, they send a nasty letter to the manufacturer asking them why it's not on Amazon).

B&N is a poor comparison - they are circling the drain. So they have to lower prices to compete. But few people shop at B&N, and even fewer have ebooks there (I've run across many that are Amazon only, annoyingly).

And with the DoJ putting the smackdown on the Apple Agency model of selling e-books, coupled with Amazon's practical monopoly over ebooks, well, Amazon will soon be the only place. Nook's in trouble, too. When the DoJ as part of the Apple thing hacked up all the contracts, well, Amazon picked up the pieces and benefitted, while everyone else started dying. Other than Nook, there's no real other source of ebooks, and Nook's in trouble.

Basically, Amazon's become the Wal-Mart of the online world.

Re:Now wait (1)

MyNicknameSucks (1952390) | about 2 months ago | (#47216835)

I know a bunch of independent filmmakers -- no, none of them can make the Lego movie. They can make low-budget rom-coms. They can make cute animated shorts. And they can make some superb docs ...

But they don't have the render farm required to make an animated 3d movie (even outsourced, I am thinking that kind of processing power and the pipes required to move the data won't come cheap). They don't have the money to get quality voice actors. They don't have the marketing and negotiating chops to land a serious IP. And artists don't come cheap. The gulf here is rather large.

FWIW, basement sound producers are still having trouble making music sound as good as music (played by musicians on instruments, at least) recorded in a studio with an a-list crew.

Re:Now wait (1)

kaatochacha (651922) | about 2 months ago | (#47216997)

The only reservaton I have is the idea that one gigantic business is somehow going to treat me better than another gigantic business. Giant Douche versus Shit Sandwich comes to mind...

Re:Now wait (1)

epiccollision (1373095) | about 2 months ago | (#47217001)

piratebay still works if they want to make it a cock waving contest nobody is interested in seeing

Re:Now wait (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47217049)

I'm sure I can find some videos of cock waving contests on the piratebay as well.

Available in Amazon UK (2)

Sven-Erik (177541) | about 2 months ago | (#47215701)

I see that I can preorder The Lego Movie in the Amazon UK website, with a release date on July 21, so looks like this is limited to the US market.

Re:Available in Amazon UK (1)

bhlowe (1803290) | about 2 months ago | (#47215825)

What price is it listed as? Doesn't it make sense that Amazon US and Warner Brothers would have to come to a legal agreement with price and markup before they can accept pre-orders?

Re:Available in Amazon UK (1)

Sven-Erik (177541) | about 2 months ago | (#47216001)

It is listed at 10 pounds. The listing is here [amazon.co.uk] .

Re:Available in Amazon UK (4, Funny)

harrkev (623093) | about 2 months ago | (#47216173)

It is listed at 10 pounds.

Wow. Shipping for that DVD must be VERY expensive. They are only an ounce or two here in the USA.

Re:Available in Amazon UK (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47217023)

10 pounds is the price in British pounds sterling, which is about $17 US at the current exchange rate. :-)

Re:Available in Amazon UK (1)

PopeRatzo (965947) | about 2 months ago | (#47216723)

It is listed at 10 pounds. The listing is here.

Ten pounds. Let's see... how much is that in nummus aureus?

Re:Available in Amazon UK (2)

thetoadwarrior (1268702) | about 2 months ago | (#47216075)

The EU is more likely to punish them that's why. The US loves corporate bullies.

Barnes and Nobles still lets you preorder (2)

gurps_npc (621217) | about 2 months ago | (#47215717)

For both books and movies.

Just saying....

;-)

Re:Barnes and Nobles still lets you preorder (3, Informative)

Z00L00K (682162) | about 2 months ago | (#47215735)

This Amazon circus just shows us the dangers with a monopoly where one player dictates what can be purchased and sold.

Re:Barnes and Nobles still lets you preorder (4, Funny)

gurps_npc (621217) | about 2 months ago | (#47215777)

So you are saying "Fight the Power, Buy a Nook"?

Re:Barnes and Nobles still lets you preorder (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47216627)

I already own 2 nooks.

Re: Barnes and Nobles still lets you preorder (1)

Teranolist (3658793) | about 2 months ago | (#47216795)

The hairy kind?

Re:Barnes and Nobles still lets you preorder (0)

pla (258480) | about 2 months ago | (#47215827)

"This Amazon circus just shows us the dangers with a monopoly where one player dictates what can be purchased and sold" ...

... You said, in response to someone pointing out that a COMPETITOR of Amazon will still gladly take your money in exchange for goods and services.


/ I do not think it means what you think it means

Re:Barnes and Nobles still lets you preorder (3, Informative)

roc97007 (608802) | about 2 months ago | (#47215979)

"This Amazon circus just shows us the dangers with a monopoly where one player dictates what can be purchased and sold" ... ... You said, in response to someone pointing out that a COMPETITOR of Amazon will still gladly take your money in exchange for goods and services.

/ I do not think it means what you think it means

I think he phrased it badly. I took this to mean, we have to be very careful about monopolies developing for exactly this reason. In other words, not saying that Amazon is a monopoly, but that their behavior is the reason a monopoly would be bad.

Re:Barnes and Nobles still lets you preorder (2)

jedidiah (1196) | about 2 months ago | (#47216015)

A company does not have to stand completely alone in the marketplace in order to have a dire impact on things. The usual villain here is Walmart. They have been abusing suppliers long before Amazon got in the act.

The fact that I can choose one titan over another doesn't alter the fact that either can distort the market to a degree that's dangerous for the free market in general.

Re:Barnes and Nobles still lets you preorder (4, Interesting)

rwv (1636355) | about 2 months ago | (#47216337)

The usual villain here is Walmart. They have been abusing suppliers long before Amazon got in the act.

Point of consideration that Walmart bullies around smaller suppliers while Amazon is taking a stand against one of the major publishers with Hachette and Warner Bros which is operated by Time Warner who is currently seeking Anti-Trust approval to merge with Comcast.

If anything, Amazon's ability to stand up to Big Media seems to be in the best interest of consumers. Big Media is where the evil monopolies seem to be. Amazon's power over online sales relies on convenience, their customer supplied rating/feedback system, and their pricing policies. Amazon wants to charge small for high quality because cheap crap will be rated as such on Amazon and nobody will buy it. Meanwhile Walmart wants to charge small for low quality because who cares about customers and suppliers if they can earn 20% of half a Trillion bucks each year (http://www.marketwatch.com/investing/stock/wmt/financials).

Re:Barnes and Nobles still lets you preorder (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47216011)

The comment doesn't say anything about Amazon being a monopoly. GP (rightly) suggests that this illustrates the danger of allowing Amazon to become that monopoly, as they are plainly trying to do based on their history of conduct and the basic pressure that a near-zero margin business requires constant growth to stay afloat, until it cannot sustain that growth and must then begin to raise margins.

Amazon's MO is to undercut competition just enough to drive users away from competitors and to use that accumulated critical mass to outlast anyone who tries to compete with them. At that point, Amazon will be able to (and may need to) raise prices beyond that level, enjoying monopoly profits as long as they stay just below the price at which it becomes cost effective for a small business to compete. It's a market failure with a long tail, but it's inevitable if Amazon continues to expand at the expense of competitors.

Re:Barnes and Nobles still lets you preorder (0)

cyborg_monkey (150790) | about 2 months ago | (#47216383)

do some research... you clearly have no idea about which you speak.

Re:Barnes and Nobles still lets you preorder (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47216135)

Actual, to be classified a monopoly does not require complete control of the market. Being a publicly mandated monopoly by the government might, but a monopoly outside of government intervention does not usually own as much as 'corner' the market. Amazon is a monopoly for specific channels and markets. The fact it isn't 100% is an absurd limited definition, especially since they clearly are trying to take over almost all retail markets for all consumer products.

Re:Barnes and Nobles still lets you preorder (1)

ZombieBraintrust (1685608) | about 2 months ago | (#47216485)

Sure but in this specifc market is the opposite of a monopoly. Any consumer can purchase this product. Consumers have lots of choices for this product. They can get good prices and good service. You can get it online from serveral retailers. You can get it locally from Walmart, BestBuy, or Target. And consumers use those choices. Walmart isn't a niche place to buy dvds from. Amazon can only sell products like this if they have the low prices. No one would purchase from Amazon if they can get the same thing cheaper from Walmart. Price comparison takes a few minutes.

Re:Barnes and Nobles still lets you preorder (1, Informative)

bwcbwc (601780) | about 2 months ago | (#47215977)

Walmart used to do (and probably still does) this to their suppliers. The only difference is the consumer never knew their was a coercive price negotiation going on because the product simply never appeared on store shelves, and usually there was a substitute from another vendor.

Re:Barnes and Nobles still lets you preorder (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47216009)

Well, who is the content creator to dictate the terms of Amazon's store? Who are you to dictate what services Amazon chooses to provide?

Re:Barnes and Nobles still lets you preorder (2)

TubeSteak (669689) | about 2 months ago | (#47216111)

This Amazon circus just shows us the dangers with a monopoly where one player dictates what can be purchased and sold.

I would question the characterization of one company deciding not to allow pre-orders being equivalent to "one player dictates what can be purchased and sold."

You can still buy the movie.
Sellers can still sell the movie.
Just not on Amazon until it is available in retail channels.

Re:Barnes and Nobles still lets you preorder (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47216237)

Amazon is hardly a monopoly in this situation. There are a lot of places that you can buy from online. Often times, those places are cheaper. Heck, in the case of this example, Warner also sells the Lego Movie directly.

Personally, I'm often onboard for Amazon bashing (they have almost as good a reputation as Google and they've gradually been sneaking the bad stuff in). But this is one of those things that could work for them, but might not.

Re:Barnes and Nobles still lets you preorder (1)

cdrudge (68377) | about 2 months ago | (#47216519)

Which monopoly does Amazon have again?

Re:Barnes and Nobles still lets you preorder (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47216677)

This Amazon circus just shows us the dangers with a monopoly where one player dictates what can be purchased and sold.

Amazon is trying to lower prices and somehow they're the bad guy? Boy, I sure would like to have your and the people who agree with you as my customers.

Re:Barnes and Nobles still lets you preorder (2)

roc97007 (608802) | about 2 months ago | (#47215941)

Very good point. This is why it's important to have competition.

Re:Barnes and Nobles still lets you preorder (1)

NotDrWho (3543773) | about 2 months ago | (#47215993)

Does Barnes and Noble give me free 2-day shipping and a huge library of free streaming movies and TV shows for $40 a year?

Re:Barnes and Nobles still lets you preorder (2)

PRMan (959735) | about 2 months ago | (#47216435)

No. But apparently they give you The Lego Movie.

Re:Barnes and Nobles still lets you preorder (1)

Golddess (1361003) | about 2 months ago | (#47216571)

Does Barnes and Noble give me free 2-day shipping and a huge library of free streaming movies and TV shows for $40 a year?

Since TFS is about Amazon, one would expect that the unnamed company you are referring to there would be Amazon. But since Amazon Prime is $99, I have to ask, what other company are you talking about?

Re:Barnes and Nobles still lets you preorder (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47216809)

Probably the one called "Amazon" that charges students $40 a year for Amazon Prime accounts.

Fuck Amazon (-1, Flamebait)

BitZtream (692029) | about 2 months ago | (#47215805)

Evil, vile company. Fuck'em. Bezos is a scum bag who makes walmart look like a bunch of saints. They refuse to pay taxes until it benefits them for others to have to pay taxes. Treating their employees like shit. Treating their affiliates as pawns. I wish there was some way to put them out of business ... but ...

Sadly people will continue to buy from Amazon until they're screwed by not having anyone else to buy from.

Re:Fuck Amazon (4, Interesting)

cdrudge (68377) | about 2 months ago | (#47215943)

Evil, vile company.

As oppose to book publishers that want you to pay the same for an ebook as a hard copy?

It's easier to just go through life when you realize that ALL companies are evil, vile companies and they are all out to maximize THEIR profits at the expense of others.

If publishers and distributors don't want to deal with Amazon, don't do business with them. Amazon's not the only ecommerce site on the internet. Yes you may lose sales from people who want to buy it on Amazon but can't. But Amazon also loses the sale. And if people want your product, if you make it easy for them to get it elsewhere they'll still get it. If I REALLY wanted to go buy The Lego Movie and Wal-Mart didn't have it, I'd go to Best Buy. Or Target. Or some other store. This is no different.

Re:Fuck Amazon (1)

PRMan (959735) | about 2 months ago | (#47216443)

The more evil they are, the more I punish them by lack of patronage. If everyone did this, all corporations would be good.

Re:Fuck Amazon (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47217019)

The value of the book is presumably the content.

Re:Fuck Amazon (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47216057)

Look Pete, we're all really sorry that you lost your job at Borders. But come on, man. It was a pretty shitty job anyway, and did you really want to be doing it for the rest of your life? Now's your chance to get that high school degree you always wanted! Carpe diem!

Pissing off customers, much? (1, Informative)

FuegoFuerte (247200) | about 2 months ago | (#47215811)

This may be a reasonable as a negotiating tactic, but one of the things that has lead Amazon to a position of prominence is that it seemed like just about anything a person wanted was available for purchase. If this ceases to be true, Amazon risks alienating customers. There may not be a good online one-stop-shop alternative now, but the more they distance their customers the more they open up the possibility for others to come in and fill the void.

Re:Pissing off customers, much? (2)

digitig (1056110) | about 2 months ago | (#47215935)

Actually, there is a good online one-stop-shop available: Google (other search engines are available). If I want a book, DVD or pretty much anything else I Google to see who has it available and at what price. If Amazon don't, hey, I probably won't even notice; I'll be busy comparing price and delivery options for the companies that do.

Re:Pissing off customers, much? (2)

Trepidity (597) | about 2 months ago | (#47216051)

I use Google Product Search now and then, but I find it's a lot higher-effort. They don't really do any vetting on whether the stores they include are legit, so you have to look up reviews and try to figure out whether the company is the kind that's going to ship you defective merchandise and then claim they didn't. Particularly around electronics and cameras, the search results are full of fly-by-night online stores.

Re:Pissing off customers, much? (1)

PRMan (959735) | about 2 months ago | (#47216461)

Amazon combined with the PriceBlink plugin which tells me when someone else has it cheaper.

Re:Pissing off customers, much? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47216895)

Says the author of this: http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=5269455&cid=47216443

Re:Pissing off customers, much? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47217073)

Which is absolutely fitting. Instead of browsing the local store then buying it on Amazon, he browses Amazon then buys it elsewhere.

Google Shopping Express (1)

rsborg (111459) | about 2 months ago | (#47216845)

Actually, there is a good online one-stop-shop available: Google (other search engines are available). If I want a book, DVD or pretty much anything else I Google to see who has it available and at what price. If Amazon don't, hey, I probably won't even notice; I'll be busy comparing price and delivery options for the companies that do.

Even better - get same-day delivery if you happen to be in a GSX market. Even more limited supply than Amazon, but same-day has resulted in some pretty awesome results when it comes to almost-forgotten last-minute birthday/anniversary gifts :)

Re:Pissing off customers, much? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47216049)

This may be a reasonable as a negotiating tactic, but one of the things that has lead Amazon to a position of prominence is that it seemed like just about anything a person wanted was available for purchase. If this ceases to be true, Amazon risks alienating customers. There may not be a good online one-stop-shop alternative now, but the more they distance their customers the more they open up the possibility for others to come in and fill the void.

Gotta agree. Squeezing out a book publisher here and there is one thing. Taking the god damn Warner Bros. out of your selection is a hole in inventory that more than a few people are going to notice. Also, its not like the good old WB relies on amazon for exposure or something the way smaller sellers would, Warner is one of the most recognized names in movies out there. Finally Amazons dominant market position opens it up to regulatory scrutiny. I think If I was WB, my opening offer would imply that my second offer can easily include a lawsuit for unfair trade practices, or whatever else people who abuse dominant market positions get hit with, and wouldn't it be a shame if all the extra money you hope to squeeze out of me goes to the lawyers.

Backlash coming, Amazons. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47215861)

Fucking with the availability of Hollywood merchandise is a fool's errand.

And Apple... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47215885)

And Apple was the one investigated and convicted of anticompetitive behaviour...

Yeah. Amazon has some big ones...

Egad! (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47215937)

Oh noes! How shall I be entertained!

I have preordered the torrent (4, Informative)

chmilar (211243) | about 2 months ago | (#47216017)

Fortunately, torrents are not subject to contract disputes.

Amazon, Warner, Hachette and others seem determined to drive everyone to torrents.

Re:I have preordered the torrent (1)

gnasher719 (869701) | about 2 months ago | (#47216069)

Amazon, Warner, Hachette and others seem determined to drive everyone to torrents.

What is your complaint about Warner and Hachette in this case?

Re:I have preordered the torrent (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47216359)

That they're not giving it to him for free. Don't they realize he's entitled to a free copy of their movie? Who does that hurt?

Re:I have preordered the torrent (1)

chmilar (211243) | about 2 months ago | (#47216525)

The point is that all of this squabbling is making the torrent the easiest, quickest, most convenient, and most reliable way to obtain the product. (Not to mention the torrent file will not be crippled with DRM.)

If the legitimate vendors hope to compete with torrents, they have to beat torrents at everything. On top of that, the price has to be something that seems "reasonable" to the purchaser. Failure to achieve this makes torrents more attractive to more people.

Re:I have preordered the torrent (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47216913)

Sure, and if I'm out and about and see something I like then the easiest, quickest, most convenient, and most reliable way to obtain the product is to take it and run. No, copyright infringement isn't the same as physical theft but, yes, these excuses to attempt to justify copyright infringement are as weak as they'd be if they were excuses for theft. Buying a physical product is always going to be less convenient than a digital copy -- whether or not it's illegal -- but that's not a justification for your copyright infringement.

Re:I have preordered the torrent (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47216539)

What is your complaint about Warner and Hachette in this case?

Probably that he wants to watch it now, but for whatever reason WB has decided to not make it available for another 5 weeks.

Re:I have preordered the torrent (2)

jxander (2605655) | about 2 months ago | (#47216879)

They're simply guilty by association.

Amazon is causing a ruckus with Warner/Hatchette. That ruckus is driving people to alternative (and less legal means)

Perhaps Warner should be looking into alternative distribution methods. They're a big enough company that if Amazon wants to play hardball, Warner should be able to play right back. Threaten to pull all movies from Amazon, create and promote a new partnership with (for example) Overstock.com or create their own direct distribution branch. Fire off a few commercials like "For all your Warner Brothers needs, go to WB.com" It might cost them money in the short term, but it would prevent people from pirating their movies, drive up traffic on their website, and probably save money in the long run by leveraging a better negotiating position with Amazon (or moving on to greener pastures with o.co, or whomever)

Already Preordered? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47216071)

I'd preordered The LEGO Movie from Amazon a while back, and they haven't yet canceled it. Makes me wonder if I'm gonna get screwed next Tuesday...

Already on Amazon Instant Video (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47216095)

I noticed that too about the Lego movie DVD, and was wondering if it was because the film is already available to buy on Amazon Instant Video. Maybe they are just pushing people to buy it there (by not allowing DVD pre-orders)? And I'm sure there are people willing to pay the $14.99 to have it NOW who will then end up getting a physical copy later (maybe the deluxe edition that comes with a Lego minifigure...)

$17.99 from best buy (1)

alen (225700) | about 2 months ago | (#47216161)

for the 2 disc blu ray with the Ultraviolet digital copy
you can even pre-order it but the shipping is a little slower. or just stop by store during lunch or after work

Really? (0)

ArcadeMan (2766669) | about 2 months ago | (#47216259)

People still buy movies on plastic discs? How wasteful.

Re:Really? (1)

danomac (1032160) | about 2 months ago | (#47216375)

Not everybody has a 25-40 mbit connection for good quality video streaming.

Re:Really? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47216679)

Good thing we are talking about torrents.

Re:Really? (3, Insightful)

alen (225700) | about 2 months ago | (#47216439)

what happens if your internet goes out?
what if i don't want to turn on my macbook or PC to stream movies to my apple TV all the time
what if i don't want to buy a SAN and spend time ripping movies and paying the electric bill for it being on all the time
what if i want to see the best quality on my HD TV

Re:Really? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47217123)

What if electricity goes out?
What if your house burns down?
What if I don't want to waste space on boxes and boxes full of dvds?
Also you can download the best quality for your HD tv.
You can just turn off the computer to save electricity.
My PC boots up to the login prompt before my screen is done detecting its inputs.

Re:Really? (1)

Morpeth (577066) | about 2 months ago | (#47216475)

Love the childish condescending tone. Some of us actually like to OWN what we buy. If I like a movie I will get in DVD/blu-ray because I don't have to worry about the cloud, licensing, proprietary this or that, some clause on the 37th page on the EULA etc. Shockers... I even still buy CDs for music for the same reason.

Re:Really? (1)

PRMan (959735) | about 2 months ago | (#47216553)

Yeah, those jerks must like quality or something.

Solution (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47216275)

Both sides are being jerks in this. Torrent the movie instead, then no one is happy.

Re:Solution (1)

hypergreatthing (254983) | about 2 months ago | (#47216349)

I'm fairly sure the customer is.

cut amazon off completely (0)

thetoadwarrior (1268702) | about 2 months ago | (#47216307)

if they had any sense about them they'd pull all the digital content out of amazon and quit shipping to them and then run an advertising campaign saying their stuff is available everywhere except amazon. Amazon is not the be all and end all of online shopping and on their own they're nothing so they need to stick it to amazon and put them in their place.

Re:cut amazon off completely (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47216487)

if they had any sense about them they'd pull all the digital content out of amazon and quit shipping to them and then run an advertising campaign saying their stuff is available everywhere except amazon. Amazon is not the be all and end all of online shopping and on their own they're nothing so they need to stick it to amazon and put them in their place.

The next biggest retailer is Wal-mart. How do you think *that* is going to work out differently for the publishers? L O L

Go Amazon!

One thing Best Buy is still good for.. (1)

TigerPlish (174064) | about 2 months ago | (#47216361)

..is for picking up freshly-released movies. Don't have to wait for the postman. Just drive up, park in the mostly empty parking lot, go into the mostly-empty store, pay your monies, go home, stick in player, relax.

With all that empty, though, I can't think BB will be around much longer..

Re:One thing Best Buy is still good for.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47216829)

..is for picking up freshly-released movies. Don't have to wait for the postman. Just drive up, park in the mostly empty parking lot, go into the mostly-empty store, pay your monies, go home, stick in player, relax.

With all that empty, though, I can't think BB will be around much longer..

Wait for the postman...? You have a flipping job, right? Amazon has the stuff to me on release day and "waiting for the postman" beats driving across the city. Video games (the stuff I typically pre-order) and presumably movies are on my doorstep, usually by the time I get home for lunch.

Happy Father's Day 2014 (-1, Offtopic)

gosandygo (3440057) | about 2 months ago | (#47216425)

Stallman on boycotting Amazon.com (1)

ikhider (2837593) | about 2 months ago | (#47216515)

Re:Stallman on boycotting Amazon.com (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47217025)

Don't care what the toe cheese eater says about amazon.

Re:Stallman on boycotting Amazon.com (1)

slinches (1540051) | about 2 months ago | (#47217193)

That doesn't really make me want to boycott Amazon as a whole. His arguments against avoiding Kindle and other digital "purchases" through Amazon are sound, but otherwise his criticisms are mostly just politically motivated disagreements. Although, some of the criticisms relating to anti-competitive practices may gain more weight if Amazon does eventually become an effective monopoly in book sales.

I think Amazon's trying to extend its reach ... (1)

MyNicknameSucks (1952390) | about 2 months ago | (#47216697)

With Hachette, I think Amazon is trying to ... crush is not the right word ... but marginalize marginalize traditional publishers. Amazon already has a jumbo-sized self-publishing business for small and independent writers, but less well known is Amazon's publishing business, http://www.apub.com/ [apub.com] . The tin-foil hat wearing me says that Amazon might be squeezing the publisher in order to get at the writers, either for self-publishing or to build up APub. I.e., Amazon might be trying to eliminate the middle man in a play to get at all the revenue in the book trade, save that which goes to writers and printers (for dead tree versions).

The full on conspiracy theorist side of me says that the scary thing is that, if Amazon does become something like a traditional publisher with a stable of writers, other retailers will have to buy stock from their largest competitor.

That's the bit that sends shivers up my spine.

With Warner, it seems different. I don't think Amazon wants to make blockbusters; something else is at play. It could be that Amazon senses blood in the water since the physical media business, while lucrative, is slipping away. Maybe, just maybe, Amazon is trying to squeeze Warner on physical media in order to get favourable terms on streaming or digital sales. 48 hours of availability ahead of iTunes? 2 weeks of availability ahead of Netflix?

My life is ruined (3, Insightful)

wcrowe (94389) | about 2 months ago | (#47216729)

Dear God! I can't get in my preorder for the Lego movie? Oh, the humanities!

The fact that this is a problem says a lot more about our society than it does about either Amazon or Warner Brothers.

 

Already on piratebay so uh yeah (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47216875)

but buy it anyway, its a great movie

Let them eat cake! (1)

afgun (634001) | about 2 months ago | (#47216959)

Sure, but it's Amazon's right to try and get better prices for their consumers. And Hachette has a right to tell Amazon to get bent. And it's equally the rights of the consumer to tell Amazon to get bent, stop the Wal-Mart style strong-arming of suppliers and buy from more respecting shops. But this is America where people are only concerned about the almighty dollar and instant gratification, so they will instead continue to buy from Amazon and Wal-Mart who ultimately decimate the local economy. (full disclosure: I buy from Amazon occasionally, but more often shop at my local brick and mortar book stores)

Since I wait 6-12 months... not feeling the impact (1)

Maxo-Texas (864189) | about 2 months ago | (#47217131)

Movies, books, boardgames, etc. are usually 50%-75% off by then. Sometimes more.

I might pop forward to present time for a very few select items.

But I stopped buying DVD's every week when they came out back around 2002.

And why... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47217145)

Do you want something you can get digitally, something that will NEVER run out of stock?

Emperor Walmartine and Amazon Skywalker (1)

RevWaldo (1186281) | about 2 months ago | (#47217147)

Yesss...yesss...feel the power of the Dark Side flowing through you...hate those who would defy you...squeeze your suppliers, force them to cut costs, wages and benefits in order to remain profitable. Make them in turn go to even cheaper sources for low-quality parts and materials. Soon you will join me by my side and together we will rule both retail and online and crush any so-called worldwide labor movement!

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