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Meet the Muslim-American Leaders the FBI and NSA Have Been Spying On

Unknown Lamer posted about 2 months ago | from the electric-eye dept.

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Advocatus Diaboli (1627651) writes The National Security Agency and FBI have covertly monitored the emails of prominent Muslim-Americans — including a political candidate and several civil rights activists, academics, and lawyers — under secretive procedures intended to target terrorists and foreign spies. From the article: "The individuals appear on an NSA spreadsheet in the Snowden archives called 'FISA recap.' Under that law, the Justice Department must convince a judge with the top-secret Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court that there is probable cause to believe that American targets are not only agents of an international terrorist organization or other foreign power, but also 'are or may be' engaged in or abetting espionage, sabotage, or terrorism. The authorizations must be renewed by the court, usually every 90 days for U.S. citizens. ... The five Americans whose email accounts were monitored by the NSA and FBI have all led highly public, outwardly exemplary lives. All five vehemently deny any involvement in terrorism or espionage, and none advocates violent jihad or is known to have been implicated in any crime, despite years of intense scrutiny by the government and the press. Some have even climbed the ranks of the U.S. national security and foreign policy establishments."

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Probable cause (5, Insightful)

qbast (1265706) | about 2 months ago | (#47416123)

Apparently being Muslim is good enough for probable cause. So much for freedom of religion.

Re:Probable cause (-1, Flamebait)

I'm New Around Here (1154723) | about 2 months ago | (#47416171)

Why should they have freedom of religion? Doesn't that violate the separation clause?

Re:Probable cause (4, Insightful)

mjm1231 (751545) | about 2 months ago | (#47416515)

freedom of religion IS the seperation clause.

Re:Probable cause (1, Insightful)

FatdogHaiku (978357) | about 2 months ago | (#47416657)

Interestingly it does not seem to include Freedom From Religion...

Re:Probable cause (1)

I'm New Around Here (1154723) | about 2 months ago | (#47416689)

Nor does it include My Freedom From Your Freedom From Religion.

Re:Probable cause (4, Informative)

Jawnn (445279) | about 2 months ago | (#47416701)

Yes, it does include a freedom "from" religion clause. If you take the time to learn anything about the framers of the Constitution, you'll know that they were dead-set against allowing anything invoking divine authority to creep into the system of law and government which they were creating. Not all of them, but most, and that wisdom, thankfully, carried the day.

Re:Probable cause (1, Flamebait)

aristotle-dude (626586) | about 2 months ago | (#47416815)

Yes, it does include a freedom "from" religion clause. If you take the time to learn anything about the framers of the Constitution, you'll know that they were dead-set against allowing anything invoking divine authority to creep into the system of law and government which they were creating. Not all of them, but most, and that wisdom, thankfully, carried the day.

What language exactly are you writing in? It appears to be english but you appear to not understand english. I quote the first amendment.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;

Where in that set of phrases do you see a freedom "from" religion? It enshrines the principle that the "government" can neither establish a state church or prevent the free exercise of any religion. It does nothing to protect atheists from having to live around non-atheists. You have to make that choice yourself and move elsewhere if you don't like your neighbours. It binds the government to prevent them from interfering and it does not grant you any rights as a citizen to lord over others who choose to practice a religion.

Re:Probable cause (2)

thaylin (555395) | about 2 months ago | (#47416857)

You cannot have fee exercise of your religion without freedom from other religions... no where did he say it protects atheists from being around the religious, but keep on strawmaning.

Re:Probable cause (1)

Your.Master (1088569) | about 2 months ago | (#47416861)

I think people have different notions of what "freedom from religion" means. What you're talking about is not at all the same as what some others I've seen have talked about. The first time I encountered the "separation clause doesn't imply freedom from religion" was somebody arguing that it would not violate the US constitution to require politicians to swear that they believed in a god (without specifying further the attributes of this god), which seems like a crystal-clear violation to me.

Re:Probable cause (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47416865)

Islam is a Satanic cult of murderous evil people.

Re:Probable cause (1)

FatdogHaiku (978357) | about 2 months ago | (#47416889)

I don't think the people spending massive amounts of time and money to impose their moral opinions on us through law get it... I understand the intent, but it didn't work. Deciding what consenting adults can do with each other or what bonds they chose to form is none of their business. Deciding what forms of recreation adults chose is none of their business (other than to tax it, that started right before the whiskey rebellion and will never stop). There is a large block of people who consider it their god given right to tell others what to do (in a god fearing manner). Then there is another block of people that just want to tell you what to do just because they think they should. In no case will we ever be free of this...

Re:Probable cause (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47416937)

Yes, it does include a freedom "from" religion clause. If you take the time to learn anything about the framers of the Constitution, you'll know that they were dead-set against allowing anything invoking divine authority to creep into the system of law and government which they were creating.

Hence, the reason that both houses of Congress, from the very first continental congress, have opened their proceedings with a word of prayer from their very own appointed chaplains? You mean those same framers of the Constitution who also wrote a Declaration of Independence which includes "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights"? You mean those guys? Are you sure you know what you are talking about? You might want to contemplate that there is a subtle distinction between establishment of a state-sanctioned Church, on the one hand, and completely eschewing "religion" from public debate on policy, on the other.

Re:Probable cause (1)

thaylin (555395) | about 2 months ago | (#47416971)

Just because they did not want the government to have religion in it, does not mean they themselves did not believe and mind it being opened with a prayer.. Also I like how you highlighted "their Creator", which leaves it up to each individual as to who their creator is, and not Lord Almighty.

Re: most of you guys don't have a clue (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47417151)

The freedom of religion in the first amendment of the US constitution attempts to provide freedom of religion by providing freedom *from* religion. Why do I say that? because it is totally impossible to have freedom *of* religion without being free *from* the next guy's religion, which may be an overly aggressive, totalitarian, supremacist, imperialist ideological/religious system. A glaring in-your-face example of that is islam, in case you haven't noticed it.

By the way, if you don't see islam as I've described it, you are a victim of a massive campaign intended to fool you. And fooled you are.

Campaign contributions and other favors funneled through third parties by the Saudis and other middle eastern individuals and entities have created a US government that is more or less foreign controlled. The US presidency is riddled with agents of the Islamic Empire, and generally acts according to Saudi wishes, even when the USA is harmed in the process. If you haven't noticed, the Islamic Empire, most of which is under the control of the Saudis, has been creating a collection of trained, small but vicious armies that when consolidated under a caliphate, will be capable of attacking foreign countries, including the US. They won't just be capable. They will have an overarching religious imperative.

It was proven by a small group of mostly Saudis that the USA can be easily attacked and its national pride destroyed. Remember 9/11? Remember the arab oil embargoes? Crude oil arabs have so much money invested in US markets that any threat to make a large withdrawal will cause the US government to prostrate itself at their feet. And to fulfill Saudi directives, which very often are intended to bring harm to the USA.

The longer the US waits before turning Saudi Arabia (and Iran if necessary) into dust, the more harm will be suffered by most of the people on the planet, not just US citizens.

Here's my prediction: Within two years, a caliphate controlled by Saudi Arabia (probably from behind a curtain) will attack Iran. Iran will resort to using nuclear weapons against Saudi Arabia. The Saudis already have access to nuclear weapons in Pakistan (if the Pakistanis actually have them) and will use them on Iran. The great and powerful government of the USA will send its spokesmen to appear on television, bringing this message to the masses: "Who could have predicted this? Nobody!"

Re:Probable cause (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47416201)

It is incredibly unlikely to be involved with anything happening in the Middle East as an American citizen unless you are a Muslim or a member of AIPAC.

Re:Probable cause (5, Insightful)

MRe_nl (306212) | about 2 months ago | (#47416329)

Unless, of course, you work for a multinational, are a serving member of the armed forces, you have traveled there and made friends, your forefathers came from the region, you still have family there, or lovers, you like to watch the news and have an inkling of an interest in international politics, history or economy it is indeed incredibly unlikely as an American citizen to be involved with anything happening in the Middle East.

Re:Probable cause (1)

Mister Liberty (769145) | about 2 months ago | (#47416675)

You left out all the WASP perpetrators of crimes in that region.
Not on purpose, I think -- but even though, glad to assist.

Re:Probable cause (1)

MRe_nl (306212) | about 2 months ago | (#47416967)

Most of the WASPS in the region have been replaced by DRONES; get with the program : ).

Re:Probable cause (1)

I'm New Around Here (1154723) | about 2 months ago | (#47417197)

So you don't think the Crusades are relevant to mention?

Re:Probable cause (1)

K. S. Kyosuke (729550) | about 2 months ago | (#47416311)

To be honest, in the presence of taqiyya, a fanatic jihadist could be easily expected to lead an exemplary public life provided that he considered it important for the cause.

Re:Probable cause (3, Insightful)

thaylin (555395) | about 2 months ago | (#47416357)

So it is ok to profile people because they may be lying about who and what they are? Sounds like a police state to me.

Re:Probable cause (1)

K. S. Kyosuke (729550) | about 2 months ago | (#47416933)

It is my understanding that police forces are doing this everywhere. You just can't arrest all the grannies in the area whenever someone gets mugged. You'd have to wait for a utopia for this to end.

Re:Probable cause (1)

MRe_nl (306212) | about 2 months ago | (#47416393)

To be honest, under duress, any fanatic could easily be expected to lead an exemplary public life provided that he considered it important for the cause.

Re:Probable cause (1)

K. S. Kyosuke (729550) | about 2 months ago | (#47416829)

That's obviously the case. The religious motivation adds an additional impetus, thought. But you're right that the "exemplary citizen" defense doesn't apply to anyone.

Re:Probable cause (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47416917)

So Ghandi was a terrorist who just lived exemplary in front of everyone while ordering people to kill others?

Those damn terrorists are finding ways to avoid breaking the law to spread their message. So now law abiding pacifists are actually terrorists who decide to live exemplary lives to avoid prosecution?

You kinda sound like it's okay to target pacifists because even though they are breaking no laws, in reality we know they are dirty evil terrorists who are just breaking no laws in order to help out their cause.

Now you don't have to break laws to be a bad terrorist. It's really just what we know you are thinking about. That defines your freedom.... not your actions.

Re:Probable cause (1, Insightful)

HornWumpus (783565) | about 2 months ago | (#47417033)

You might want to study a little of the history of India they don't teach in high school.

After Ghandi got control of India he ordered _many_ killings in the future 'Pakistan' and 'Bangladesh'. Non violence is for when you don't have the power.

Re:Probable cause (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47417147)

Citation needed.

Ghandi was not one to ignore killings.

Re:Probable cause (2)

Jeremiah Cornelius (137) | about 2 months ago | (#47416397)

And there were "Commernists hiding under every beadstead" in the 50's.

Your neo-Macarthyism is based in pure irrational hate/bias. As such, you will always find an unassailable, self-justification for insisting on your views.

Re:Probable cause (1)

K. S. Kyosuke (729550) | about 2 months ago | (#47416869)

And there were "Commernists hiding under every beadstead" in the 50's.

Except that he was at least partly right. That doesn't justify his actions, of course, but he was by no means a pure paranoic.

Your neo-Macarthyism is based in pure irrational hate/bias.

Wouldn't I have to be a right-winger to be able to be a "neo-Macarthyist"? I know I get labeled as a "godless commie" by Americans. Also, my opposition to ludicrous fairy tales with no foundation in reality hardly seems irrational. It's a waste of time at best times, and oftentimes it gives some people stupid ideas.

Re:Probable cause (1)

nedlohs (1335013) | about 2 months ago | (#47416463)

And of course you could be such a fanatic jihadist pretending to not even be muslim. So you want mind if the FBI goes through all your communications and belongings anytime they feel like it. And of course you won't mind the occasional week long questioning session..

Re:Probable cause (1)

K. S. Kyosuke (729550) | about 2 months ago | (#47416905)

I have no communications FBI might want or be able to intercept, my belongings are physically removed from the nearest US territory by at least seventy miles (plus thousands of miles away from the continental US), and I'd be perfectly happy to chat with them in a local café on fascinating international topics, but I suspect the café owner would throw us out before midnight.

Re:Probable cause (1)

fizzer06 (1500649) | about 2 months ago | (#47417005)

The Feds kidnapped a "suspected" Russian hacker (Roman Valerevich Seleznev) in the Maldives the other day and flew him to Guam. I wouldn't feel too safe.

Re:Probable cause (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47416951)

Barrack Hussein Obama

Re:Probable cause (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47416509)

You mean Obama?

Re:Probable cause (4, Insightful)

TubeSteak (669689) | about 2 months ago | (#47416385)

What a Muslim American Said to Defend His Patriotism
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2014/07/what-a-muslim-american-said-to-defend-his-patriotism/374137/ [theatlantic.com]

-"You should be active in your community. And I have done that. The fact that I was surveilled in spite of doing all thatâ"it just goes to show you the hysteria that everybody feels."
-"I've never given a speech where I've said any ill feelings toward the United States."
-"I was a very conservative, Reagan-loving Republican."
-"I watch sports. I watch football. My kids are all raised here. My kids at that time went to Catholic school. It isn't as if I was raising them in a different way ..."

Gill correctly perceives that we'll all know what he means when he invokes the characteristics he possesses that would seem to make him less suspicious. The fact that most people internalize these judgments to some degree illustrates how chilling effects work: Americans, especially those who belong to minority groups, formulate a sense of what speech and actions will cast suspicion on or away from them.

Chilling Effects.

Re:Probable cause (2)

qbast (1265706) | about 2 months ago | (#47416497)

"I was a very conservative, Reagan-loving Republican." - obviously he is trying way too hard to appear harmless. Only most hardened jihadist fanatic would go this far, so good job NSA. He will slip sooner or later.

Re:Probable cause (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47416491)

Its not a religion, its a fucking cult. The Islamic pigs should be treated as the enemy within. They are the most evil Satanic piece of sub human pig shit on the planet.

The truth is this. The historical Muhammad led a robber band of desert thugs who plundered, raped and murdered. Muhammad himself said he could do NO miracles, and he married a 6 year old girl when he was 52. In the entire Qur'an there is only ONE vague prophecy - and that is about the 7th century Romans. Muhammad rarely showed any compassion and had all his detractors murdered. He was fond of splitting the spoils of war. The Qur'an assured Muhammad 20% of all booty his terrorist thugs collected by attacking and killing innocent people and caravans in Arabia.

Who really is Allah really? Who is this god who demands his followers kill innocent people via Jihad, and who demands Muslims kill Muslims who no longer believe in Islam? The Qur'an (Koran) says that Allah desires to lead people astray (Surah 6:39 , 126). He does not help those who are led astray by him (Surah 30:29), and Allah desires to use them to populate hell (Surah 32:13).

Can Muslims be Good Americans

Can a devout Muslim be an American patriot and a loyal citizen? Consider this:

Theologically, no. Because his allegiance is to Allah, the moon god of Arabia.

Scripturally, no. Because his allegiance is to the five pillars of Islam and the Quran.

Geographically, no. Because his allegiance is to Mecca, to which he turns in prayer 5 times a day.

Socially, no. Because his allegiance to Islam forbids him to make friends with Christians or Jews.

Politically, no. Because he must submit to the mullah (spiritual leaders), who teach annihilation of Israel and destruction of America, the great Satan.

Domestically, no, because he is instructed to marry four women and beat and scourge his wife when she disobeys him. (Koran 4:34). Can you see a court case brewing here?

Religiously, no. Because no other religion is accepted by his Allah except Islam. (Koran, 2:256)

Intellectually, no, because he cannot accept the American Constitution since it is based on Biblical principles and he believes the Bible to be corrupt.

Philosophically, no, because Islam, Muhammad, and the Koran do not allow freedom of religion and expression.

Spiritually - no.. . . Because when we declare 'one nation under God,' The Christian God and Christ is loving and kind, while Allah is NEVER referred to as Heavenly father, nor is he ever called love in the Quran's 99 excellent names.

Therefore, after much study and deliberation.... Perhaps we should be very suspicious of ALL MUSLIMS in this country. - - - They obviously cannot be both 'good' Muslims and good Americans. Call it what you wish it's still the truth. You had better believe it. The more who understand this, the better it will be for our country and our future.

Stop the Nidal Malik Hasans of thw world who work to subvert America with Imams like Anwar al-Awlaki - ISLAM is the ENEMY OF FREEDOM, LIBERTY, NATURAL RIGHTS, GOD and AMERICA.

DOWN WITH ISLAM, THE ENEMY OF FREEDOM AND ISLAM IS AN ENEMY OF GOD (it is Satan's cult).

 

Re:Probable cause (1)

thaylin (555395) | about 2 months ago | (#47416645)

You really have a weak understanding of Islam, our country, and it seems your own God as well. All of those things you listed could be said of most of the popular religions in our country. Also our nation is not founded as a theocracy so your religious objections due to your belief in Christianity has no merits.

Re:Probable cause (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47416885)

Shut up liar murderer pedophile rapist fucking pig. You are the lowest form of sentient life on earth, fucking Muslim pig. And you work for Satan. you are Satans helper, you FUCK. Die.

Ayesha curses Mohammed the rapist pedophile you fuck.

Re:Probable cause (1)

thaylin (555395) | about 2 months ago | (#47416993)

hmm, someone has anger issues..

Re:Probable cause (1)

spire3661 (1038968) | about 2 months ago | (#47417163)

You could make the same list for Catholics....

Re:Probable cause (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47416535)

Tales from the Koran How The Profit Muhammad met his end.

We shove Jimmy Dean Homestyle Pork Sausage up The Profit Muhammad's ass. Then while the Giver strokes me off I shoot my wad in The Profit Muhammad's face after which we force The Profit Muhammad to fellate an 800 pound Chester White. Simultaneously two Hasidic rabbis open their kosher bowels unleashing torrents of gefilte shit on The Profit Muhammad's head and back while The Giver pumps The Profit Muhammad from behind. After the hog shoots its wad in The Profit Muhammad's mouth The Giver shoots his load up The Profit Muhammad's rectum. Then unexpectedly the Chester White roots out The Profit Muhammad's penis and testicles hungrily biting them off gobbling them down with full porcine fury. We bury the newly castrated The Profit Muhammad up to his nose in pig manure. Two AIDS infected Bowery whores stuff their used condoms and clotted tampon down The Profit Muhammad's throat and crack a bottle of Mad Dog 20/20 over his skull.

We then leave him for the hogs to munch on. The Profit Muhammad is swine feed and by tomorrow he will be swine manure.

GOAT KORAN

For it is written in Mine book that goats are PLEASING and HOLY in Mine eyes. I have told the Prophet Muhammad peace on him! that he should try a goat but he is an ass-infidel and pursues young Muslims. For this is pleasing in Mine eyes as well! I hereby issue a Fatwah: May the asses of the infidels be reamed by the Prophet peace on him! until they look like the goatse.cx man who is of the devil.

M______The [balder.org]
o____Prophet [balder.org]
h____Muhammad [balder.org]
a___./___o\ [balder.org]
m___I______| [balder.org]
m___I____\== [balder.org]
a___\______/ [balder.org]
d______|| [balder.org]
.______:; [balder.org]
F______:;\________________________Muslims [balder.org]
u______:;\\_______________________/______\ [balder.org]
c______:;_\\_____________________/________\ [balder.org]
k______:;__\\____________________/__o__o__\ [balder.org]
s______:;___&&___:;:;:;:;:;:;:;:;|____>___/ [balder.org]
.|\\___:;8=KORAN=*O_________:;____\__\_/_/ [balder.org]
A|_\\__:;________:;_________:;_____\----/ [balder.org]
s|__\\_:;_______:;___________:;_ [balder.org]
s|___\\:;:;:;:;:;_____________:;:; [balder.org]

ISLAM

Kill all Muslims. Kill all Muhammadans. Kill all Arabs. Kill all Towel Heads. Kill all Camel Jockeys. Kill all Sand Niggers. Kill all Dune Coons. Kill all Islam. Nuke their countries to hell. Nuke them again. Death to Islam. I piss on Mecca. I spit on the Koran. I shit on The Profit Muhammad. I call on the Destruction of Mecca and Medina, the most unholy shit dumps on earth. You don't have to be a Kreskin to predict Osama bin Laden's future. And to all you Abdul The Profit Muhammad Al-Jaraazi Abdullah Mustafuh Atta Quadaphi Fuck-Head Al-Towel-Rag - Your "God" is our "Satan," have fun burning you scum. You disgusting animals, you will be a fresh farm of much needed organs for people who need livers and hearts, but I personally would rather die than receive a heart or liver from your satanic self. Hey, Ayatollah towel heads, you will be sent to heaven to meet your maker. (That would be Satan). I have no ability to stop my hatred towards you Ayatollahs, you better not peep out like a mushroom in a festering swamp lest I shoot your vile head off and harvest your organs for people who need them and cremate your vile self for crop fertilizer.

Islam Towel Song:

99 Towel Heads Up On The Wall, 99 Sheep fucking twits, You shoot one down, You kick it around, 98 Rag Heads left on the Wall.

98 Cumlicking Chickenshits on the Wall, 98 Camel sucking penis stuffers, You shoot one down, You kick it around, 97 slimy turds left on the wall.

97 Raghead Swine on the wall, 97 Shit Encrusted pukes, You shoot one down, You kick it around, 96 flea harbors left on the wall.

96 Moronic idol polishers on the wall , 96 pink skirted sphincter tasters, You shoot one down, You kick it around, 95 pillow biters left on the wall.

95 pustuled penis suckers on the wall, 95 useless festering maggots, You shoot one down, You kick it around, 94 brainwashed puddle scum left on the wall.

The Prophet Mohammad Harbinger of the Arab Plague and inventor of Arab Anal Surveyor

Re:Probable cause (1)

kelemvor4 (1980226) | about 2 months ago | (#47416729)

Apparently being Muslim is good enough for probable cause. So much for freedom of religion.

I'm pretty sure that the agencies in question did not tell these people they aren't free to be Muslims.

Re:Probable cause (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47417003)

Nothing to see here. They did this with any and all civil rights, peace movement, anti war, drug research, religious movements, ect.... leaders of the 60's.

And it continues to this day. By the way the above statement is public knowledge released by the FBI/CIA thanks to the hard work of freedom groups (ACLU, EFF).
When it comes to people threatening the powers-that-be in government any/everyone is a target to be monitored.

Re:Probable cause (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47417073)

The same way being a member of the KKK should be probable cause.

OUTRAGE!! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47416125)

Oh wait, they're brown and worship some other dude. Carry on.

Re:OUTRAGE!! (1)

thaylin (555395) | about 2 months ago | (#47416189)

Same dude, slightly different take on what he wants.

Re:OUTRAGE!! (1)

TheCarp (96830) | about 2 months ago | (#47416381)

No they each imagine a different imaginary man in the sky, but their stories all have common origin so they pretend he actually exists and thus is a single being. Far more accurate that way.

Re:OUTRAGE!! (1)

thaylin (555395) | about 2 months ago | (#47416661)

Actually no, it is the same. They believe in the same God, Islam even believes in Jesus, just that he was a prophet.

Re:OUTRAGE!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47416827)

Well, they also believe all the christian scriptures about jesus have been falsified and that jesus was a muslim prophet preaching islam but that the evil christians falsified his teachings.

Re:OUTRAGE!! (1)

HornWumpus (783565) | about 2 months ago | (#47417091)

The Koran is just like the Book of Mormon. It contains stories/passages derived from mistranslations of the christian bibles that were circulating at the time.

Basically they are both logically proven to _not_ be deviny inspired books. Of course if you believe in them, they are true and my not be questioned.

Re:OUTRAGE!! (1)

TheCarp (96830) | about 2 months ago | (#47417269)

You miss my point, I say no two Christians even have the same imaginary friend, since each of them has an independent imagination in which to instantiate their friend.

I mean yes, you can give two kids the same model of barbie doll, but if one cuts the hair on theirs, the other will not have short hair, they may be the same class of doll, but they are not the same doll.

Re:OUTRAGE!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47416257)

The POTUS and Attorney General, among others in the current administration, are brown, chuckles. Your argument is racist while trying to decry racism.

Re:OUTRAGE!! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47416287)

Oh wait, they're brown and worship some other dude. Carry on.

They worship the same magic sky fairy. They just listen to a different dude's hallucinations about what the MSF wants.

i remember when (1)

Cardoor (3488091) | about 2 months ago | (#47416149)

i remember when it seemed that if theconstitution was flagrantly violated, there would actually be consequences for the perpetrators and such actions would stop.. it must have been a dream

Re:i remember when (4, Insightful)

disposable60 (735022) | about 2 months ago | (#47416231)

That's just pre-9/11 thinking.
Everything's different now - we got the National Security State we always dreamed of. Better, even!

Re:i remember when (1)

Cardoor (3488091) | about 2 months ago | (#47416431)

very true - we dont need rule of law.. especially because... you know... tuhhrrists!!

Re:i remember when (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47416539)

Don't forget the 1%ers. We hate them too. Unless they praise Obama, then they're cool and stuff. Even if they are all old rich white guys.

Re:i remember when (1)

qbast (1265706) | about 2 months ago | (#47416765)

Are we supposed to hate tourists now?

Re:i remember when (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47416919)

I suddenly understand why the TSA treats travellers so badly.

Re:i remember when (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47416513)

There have never been consequences. The Constitution of the United States is the highest suggestion of the land.

Re:i remember when (1)

ADRA (37398) | about 2 months ago | (#47416673)

Well, you don't remember very clearly then. People's 'rights' have always been trampled on when the state deemed it necessary. This is nothing new to the US. It's happened since the dawn of time. Human's requirements for security will always trump their desire for equality (well unless you're the top of the pyramid I suppose). Once things 'calm down' on a global scale, expect more politicians massaging away the bad bump in these laws. Then expect 'the next great calamity', which will again cause more knee jerk laws to be passed with roughshod through the political spheres.

Re:i remember when (1)

HornWumpus (783565) | about 2 months ago | (#47417111)

They haven't suspended 'Habius Corpus' yet. Lincoln remains the most flagrant violator of the constitution.

Re:i remember when (1)

spire3661 (1038968) | about 2 months ago | (#47417177)

While i hate that he did it, you have to agree his need was greater than any other's before or since.

Civil Rights Activists (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47416151)

Yeah, it's a good thing they are monitoring civil rights activists because the last thing we want in America is civil liberties and rights. Civil rights and freedoms are unAmerican and have no business here.

Why yes, I do watch Fox News. why do you ask?

Re:Civil Rights Activists (2)

SpankiMonki (3493987) | about 2 months ago | (#47416627)

Why yes, I do watch Fox News. why do you ask?

Because citizens who do not watch Fox News are threats to national security, and are therefore placed under surveillance. No need for you to be concer...oh wait, you're posting on a known subversive site that is part of our selector set. I guess we'll be watching you after all.

They're not a corporation (4, Insightful)

HangingChad (677530) | about 2 months ago | (#47416211)

Until they incorporate they're not entitled to free speech or religious exemptions.

Re:They're not a corporation (1)

madhatter256 (443326) | about 2 months ago | (#47416541)

Not just that, they have to be heavy donors to a SuperPAC in order to have basic rights...

No surprise (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47416217)

If you are not a drooling "police-dog" type, then you must be an enemy, there Bubba!

Law Enforcement has been doing this forever. (4, Interesting)

Joe Gillian (3683399) | about 2 months ago | (#47416221)

Back in the 50s and 60s, when the Civil Rights Movement was starting to pick up, the FBI had files on most of the major civil rights leaders, even those that advocated purely peaceful resistance. I recall reading an interview with a high-ranking FBI official at the time who said that J. Edgar Hoover was particularly proud of the file he had on Martin Luther King. They tracked relationships between civil rights groups, and tried to watch them all. I'm fairly certain that there were also secret wiretaps done on some of the people they were tracking, though I don't remember if that was the case with MLK or not.

If you look on the list, the agency responsible for maintaining the surveillance against the Muslim-Americans targeted in this case is the FBI. They haven't changed much since 1960, and it shows.

Re:Law Enforcement has been doing this forever. (4, Interesting)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | about 2 months ago | (#47416361)

If memory serves, the ostensible logic was that civil rights groups were pawns of International Communism(because clearly only sinister foreign influences could have given the negro the crazy idea that certain aspects of American life were less than ideal) and thus a terrifying internal threat. That, and Hoover just didn't feel alive if he wasn't wiretapping somebody.

No Warrant? (4, Informative)

weilawei (897823) | about 2 months ago | (#47416223)

Under the heading “Nationality,” the list designates 202 email addresses as belonging to “U.S. persons,” 1,782 as belonging to “non-U.S. persons,” and 5,501 as “unknown” or simply blank. The Intercept identified the five Americans placed under surveillance from their email addresses.

It is unclear whether the government obtained any legal permission to monitor the Americans on the list. The FBI and the Justice Department declined to comment for this story. During the course of multiple conversations with The Intercept, the NSA and the Office of the Director of National Intelligence urged against publication of any surveillance targets. “Except in exceptional circumstances,” they argued, surveillance directly targeting Americans is conducted only with court-approved warrants. Last week, anonymous officials told another news outlet that the government did not have a FISA warrant against at least one of the individuals named here during the timeframe covered by the spreadsheet.

So, for all the idiots arguing that we have FISA to make sure mass surveillance isn't abused: it looks like they've decided to skip that step entirely.

Re:No Warrant? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47417303)

FISA just rubberstamped general warrants and such anyway.

Reason? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47416227)

They have usual name. Good enough reason, right?

Incorporate (5, Insightful)

tekrat (242117) | about 2 months ago | (#47416251)

Every American should incorporate themselves. It's the only way to guarantee you have rights. If you are a closely held corporation, your religious rights cannot be infringed, your property cannot be confiscated, you can commit heinous crimes and only face a fine (no jail time for CEOs); and furthermore, NSA "spying" can be sued over as industrial espionage or as copyright violations under intellectual property rights laws.

Basically you have way more rights as a corporation. If you're an individual or "citizen", you're screwed.

Re:Incorporate (1)

GlennC (96879) | about 2 months ago | (#47416391)

^^^ THIS ^^^

Since I don't have any mod points, please accept a virtual +10 from me.

Re:Incorporate (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47416505)

More importantly, the money to make the government go fuck themselves.

The closely held corporation spoken of has a very wealthy family behind them.

I can incorporate for less than $100. But to hire the lawyers, bri....make campaign contributions, fund super-PACs, and everything else at the disposal of the 1%'ers? Fuck no.

But that aside, that Hobby Lobby ruling probably pierced the corporate veil. You WILL be seeing court cases regarding that - there is NO doubt what so ever.

So, maybe being a corporation is not such a good idea.

Or, Big private corp shot self in foot. News at 11.

Re:Incorporate AND be rich (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47416557)

Well not exactly. You also need money. You can incorporate yourself and still be a broke peasent that cannot represent themselves at trial and face a fine and jail time (look it up). At least with a corporation you can hire more people to speak on your behalf.. you can do that as an individual to but it makes you personally liable.

So to amend your comment, Incorporate and then Gather Large Sums of Money!

Re:Incorporate (1)

ADRA (37398) | about 2 months ago | (#47416617)

Generally speaking, if you're a major shareholder with inside knowledge of wrongdoing and the power to change it, you can be personally held accountable for the actions of ' the corporation'. Since you're a 1 man band, you'd be guaranteed to meet the two conditions and be thrown in jail regardless of the veil of a 'corporate shield' or not.

About that.... (3, Informative)

dfenstrate (202098) | about 2 months ago | (#47416619)

Every American should incorporate themselves. It's the only way to guarantee you have rights. If you are a closely held corporation, your religious rights cannot be infringed, your property cannot be confiscated, you can commit heinous crimes and only face a fine (no jail time for CEOs); and furthermore, NSA "spying" can be sued over as industrial espionage or as copyright violations under intellectual property rights laws.

Basically you have way more rights as a corporation. If you're an individual or "citizen", you're screwed.

I'm going to go out on a limb and guess you're someone who hates the recent hobby lobby decision; nonetheless, the opinion delivered by Alito directly addresses this 'corporations are treated like people and it's wrong!!!' outrage perpetuated by the left.

"As we will show, Congress provided protection for people like the Hahns and Greens by employing a familiar legal fiction: It included corporations within RFRA’s definition of “persons.” But it is important to keep in mind that the purpose of this fiction is to provide protection for human beings. A corporation is simply a form of organization used by human beings to achieve desired ends. An established body of law specifies the rights and obligations of the people (including shareholders, officers, and employees) who are associated with a corporation in one way or another. When rights, whether constitutional or statutory, are extended to corporations, the purpose is to protect the rights of these people. For example, extending Fourth Amendment protection to corporations protects the privacy interests of employees and others associated with the company. Protecting corporations from government seizure of their property without just compensation protects all those who have a stake in the corporations’ financial well-being. And protecting the free-exercise rights of corporations like Hobby Lobby, Conestoga, and Mardel protects the religious liberty of the humans who own and control those companies.

In holding that Conestoga, as a “secular, for-profit corporation,” lacks RFRA protection, the Third Circuit wrote as follows: “General business corporations do not, separate and apart from the actions or belief systems of their individual owners or employees, exercise religion. They do not pray, worship, observe sacraments or take other religiously-motivated actions separate and apart from the intention and direction of their individual actors.” 724 F. 3d, at 385 (emphasis added).

All of this is true—but quite beside the point. Corporations, “separate and apart from” the human beings who own, run, and are employed by them, cannot do anything at all."

Re:About that.... (3, Insightful)

thaylin (555395) | about 2 months ago | (#47416927)

That was bs justifications. You dont need to give corporations 4th amendment rights to protect people, because the people individually have those rights for example.

Buy the book BANNED by Costco! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47416255)

Buy the book BANNED by Costco!

Buy the book that Google can't seem to find in their search engine!

America!

http://www.dineshdsouza.com/news/

"Dinesh D’Souza, in response to the news of Costco removing his latest book, America: Imagine A World Without Her, from its shelves, made the following statement on July 8.

                                                                Today, I was stunned to learn that Costco had pulled my latest book, America: Imagine A World Without Her, from all of its stores. This was despite the fact that the book had sold very well at the chain and that my movie of the same name was releasing on over 1,000 screens the very next day. Today, I am disappointed to learn that this news has been confirmed by Costco. This action confirms the suspicions of all freedom-loving Americans and is a direct attack on my livelihood which I take very seriously.

                                                                In a free society, Costco is free to ban my book, but their customers are also free to shop at other stores which don’t censor books. In the book and the movie, I talk about the shaming of Americans and a culture of intimidation and censorship that has been spearheaded by the President himself. It’s one thing for Costco executives to pal around with President Obama and donate almost exclusively to Democrats. But to turn their company into a tool for suppressing dissent against the government is another matter.

                                                                I urge all Americans to watch our film in their nearest theater and buy the book from an establishment that honors freedom of speech. Once they do that, they will understand why the President and his allies are so afraid of this message and determined to keep it from reaching the American people."

Or is it actually true that you people are too lazy to read anything that is longer than a blog post?

Re:Buy the book BANNED by Costco! (0)

jklovanc (1603149) | about 2 months ago | (#47416651)

According to this article there were 3,600 copies of the book sold at Costco during the month of June. Costco has 649 stores therefore they sold on average 5.5 books per store over a month's time. Costco make profits on volume and 5.5 books per store in a month is extremely low volume. No matter the content, Costco would return any book with such low sales. This was a sales decision not political censorship.

By the way, after the movie came out sale of the book rose so Costco re-ordered it [alan.com] .

This [addictedtocostco.com] article brings up an interesting point;

Not to mention, how do people think Costco buys books? Just randomly? There is no way that this book ended up at Costco without awareness of the content of the book, as well as the history of the publisher and author. Dinesh D’Souza, the author has made a whole career of writing books and making documentaries about how horrible liberals and Obama are for the US. And the list of books from the publisher, Regnery Publishing, makes it abundantly clear what side of the political aisle they are on, and it is definitely not the same one as the the current administration. I think Costco had sales expectations for this book that it did not meet. Perhaps they should have waited to make a decision about its continued poor sales record until after the movie was released. Of course, maybe this was just a part of the regular process they have for reviewing book sales. But whatever the reasoning, it looks tenuous at best to say that dropping the book was based on the political content of the book.

Don't you think that if they wanted to "censor" the book they would never have put it on their shelves in the first place?

I bet that the AC is, or is associated with, the author. Sorry but reader here can do a little research and math as well as read books.

Re:Buy the book BANNED by Costco! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47417181)

"I bet that the AC is, or is associated with, the author. Sorry but reader here can do a little research and math as well as read books."

Hahahahahaha. Yes, this is Dinesh here. BOOOO!

You fucksticks make me laugh.

Just wait, when we get a conservative in the white house we plan to unleash the IRS on all your asses and audit you stupid sheep right into the poor house.

Idiot.

Re:Buy the book BANNED by Costco! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47417285)

So the fact that the CEO of Costco is a big supporter of Obama and even spoke at the 2012 DNC had nothing to do with it?

Wake me when its 200+ (1)

glrotate (300695) | about 2 months ago | (#47416469)

Just 5? Seems to me that in a country of 300,000,000 people, covert snooping on 5 is reasonable.

Re:Wake me when its 200+ (1)

I'm New Around Here (1154723) | about 2 months ago | (#47416599)

What did you do to get the negative karma?

Re:Wake me when its 200+ (1)

thaylin (555395) | about 2 months ago | (#47417115)

He stated something that is against the constitution of the US. Spying on anyone without justification in our country is morally, and generally legally wrong.

Godless Communists..All Of Them! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47416525)

Anyone who believes that the government shouldn't be spying on and controlling every aspect of their lives is a godless communist with sympathies for the old Soviet regime. :)

The Republicans... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47416533)

are just out of control with their rule of this country. It is a shame that the President is powerless to stop them with this. They setup so many rules that can't be undone like the Republican TSA group and the hamstringing of the BATFE in their fight against the guns that are flooding the streets. Of course, destruction and poverty are what their kind gets off on.

The Republicans... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47416803)

Is this serious or a joke, it's so hard to tell anymore.

Re:The Republicans... (1)

ganjadude (952775) | about 2 months ago | (#47417173)

woah woah woah, too many talking points rolled into one. besides obama already said if congress wont do it, he will, therefore obama is to blame by his own reasoning

Home-Grown Terrorists (1)

Tokolosh (1256448) | about 2 months ago | (#47416667)

This kind of behavior by the US government has the unintended consequence of creating more terrorists than it catches. The result is a vicious circle of rebellion and crackdown. It has already happened in the middle east with the constant meddling of the USA, and it is going to happen more and more at home. The country is already starting to divide into Patriots and Tories.

As an example, the feds raid Waco, yada yada, Oklahoma City gets bombed. This is not to say that all was well with the Branch Davidians, but the excessive and heavy-handed response led to a bad outcome in many consequential ways.

Other examples are Prohibition and the War on Drugs. We know how they turned out.

Re:Home-Grown Terrorists (1)

CountZer0 (60549) | about 2 months ago | (#47416711)

Other examples are Prohibition and the War on Drugs. We know how they turned out.

Your usage of the past tense implies that you think either of these two things are over...

exemplary leaders under command to ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47416749)

They lead exemplary lives, but their name of their movement translates to "submission" and leader has ordered them to submit to carrying out some very specific commands. Two examples:
1) fight and kill those who believe other things: source: Koran chapter 9
(which could be why there was a demonstration of 500,000 people calling for killing of atheists in Bangladesh in June 2013 - I am sure most had exemplary parents)
2) "oh muslim, there is a jew hiding behind me - come and kill him" source: the Hadith collection of leader's quotes
(which could be why they were killing people at the jewish museum in Brussels 2 weeks ago)

Parents surely lead exemplary lives, but a percentage of their children will not, depending on their place of worship.
In fact, the masses of 'exemplary people' from France were able to contribute some 900 warriors to carry out executions, beheadings and managed to crucify opponents last month. Germany reportedly contributed 250 attackers, UK over 500. (source of numbers: the Peshmegra)

The best part is that neither France 24 state TV, nor german state TV will mention these commands when discussing the killings.
A google search of BBC site indicates that BBC will not even report the crucifictions.

Comments (2)

bughunter (10093) | about 2 months ago | (#47416887)

Many of the comments on First Look and even here are disturbing, both in their rancor and in their bigotry. These kind of haters represent a tiny but vocal minority of the US population but they seem seem to swarm to the comments sections of any story that touches on one of their hot button issues. This is especially true at "mainstream" media sites like Yahoo News, CNN, etc. Clearly their intent is to disguise their minority status and make it appear as if their radical opinions are mainstream.

Do they have RSS feeds or Twitter Bots or something that tell them "Muslim story on First Look - Troll Force GO!" or something? It's fkn amazing.

And it does real damage to our society by promoting the kind of racism and abuse depicted in TFA, both institutional and cultural, even when the majority of the people hold no such opinions...

Re:Comments (1)

GameboyRMH (1153867) | about 2 months ago | (#47416955)

Do they have RSS feeds or Twitter Bots or something that tell them "Muslim story on First Look - Troll Force GO!" or something? It's fkn amazing.

I always wonder the same thing...and the answer is "maybe:"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]

People need an outlet for their evil (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47417083)

It's hard and draining to be good and social _all_ of the time. Lulzcats and hater trolls troll because they get to shrug off the burden of the mask and revel in the intoxication of being a dickwad anonymously. Then they put on the mask again and rejoin society. Many people are simply evil inside--they just pretend to be nice and good when people are watching.

A republican political candidate! (1)

Charliemopps (1157495) | about 2 months ago | (#47416969)

Hot Damn! A republican political candidate! This could not be better. I don't like either party, but the democrats will never address the NSA. It's just not part of their psyche to get up in arms about the government getting into their business.

The republicans however? Their paranoid reactionary, "Government is bad" attitude could very well serve to light this fuse. This is probably the most helpful thing to come out of that archive. Everyone, get out there and start telling all your conservative friends how the NSA targeted republicans and suggest Obama was behind it. We need them as paranoid as possible, this IS the moment we've been waiting for.

At least no spying on Linux users (1)

houghi (78078) | about 2 months ago | (#47417251)

The Linux users are acremely fanatic in their believe. At least they do not spy on linux users [itworld.com] because that would be wrong. Right?
And if it goes wrong, the USofA can just not elect those who do wrong. Right?
I also hear people quoting some papers written several decades ago, so that is worth something as well. Right?

(Not sure if people can detect sarcasm. Not even sure if this IS sarcasm or just really, really sad.)

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