Iran Court Summons Mark Zuckerberg For Facebook Privacy Violations 304
wiredmikey (1824622) writes "An Iranian judge has summoned Facebook founder and CEO Mark Zuckerberg to answer allegations that his company's apps have breached people's privacy, it was reported Tuesday. The court in Fars province ordered that Zuckerberg address unspecified 'violation of privacy' claims made by Iranians over the reach of Facebook-owned apps, ISNA news agency reported. 'Based on the judge's verdict, the Zionist manager of Facebook... should report to the prosecutor's office to defend himself and make compensation for damages,' Rouhollah Momen-Nasab, a senior Iranian Internet security official, told ISNA. Access to social networks, including Twitter and Facebook, are routinely blocked by Iranian authorities, as are other websites considered un-Islamic or detrimental to the regime."
Yea, I'm sure he gives a rat's ass. (Score:5, Funny)
Somewhere, Mark Zuckerberg is *still* laughing.
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... until Eric Holder decides to arrest him and extradite him.
Or dispatch a drone.... ....
And it may not be EH potentially it could be some other nations drone.
It need not be launched from outside. If might be launched from down
the road and
Re:Yea, I'm sure he gives a rat's ass. (Score:5, Interesting)
Facebook's unique proposition is that it can be both "un-Islamic" and "un-American" at the same time, doing the same thing.
Re:Yea, I'm sure he gives a rat's ass. (Score:5, Insightful)
They're assembling a massive database of personal information. Sound pretty American to me.
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I vote we send him over Angry Birds style.
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I don't know who to root for here... (Score:2)
erm, violating Iranians' privacy...
That's a beheadin'
Ayatollah Japser Beardly
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Lies. Here's a famous one:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M... [wikipedia.org]
Extradition treaties generally have to work both ways or there's no incentive for others to honor them. Similarly if you sign the treaty and don't deliver, expect it to come back at you.
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And let's not forget "Dog the Bounty Hunter".
Re:Yea, I'm sure he gives a rat's ass. (Score:5, Interesting)
No country is on that list. They USA will never and has never extradited a person to another country.
Good thing you're an Anonymous Coward, because you're not even close to reality. According to US Embassy based in London [usembassy.gov]:
During the same time period, the UK submitted 54 extradition REQUESTS to the US, of which none have been refused. Of those 54 requests, 38 resulted in extradition of an individual from the U.S. to the UK. In the remaining 16 cases, the individuals either returned to the UK on their own or other circumstances made extradition from the U.S. to the UK no longer necessary.
Re:Yea, I'm sure he gives a rat's ass. (Score:5, Insightful)
Somewhere, Mark Zuckerberg is *still* laughing.
No, somewhere, Facebook is consulting attorneys on how to avoid a Fatwa so he won't end up like Salman Rushdie, or worse, Theo van Gogh [wikipedia.org].
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How exactly could an attorney help someone avoid a fatwa?
Re:Yea, I'm sure he gives a rat's ass. (Score:4, Informative)
How exactly could an attorney help someone avoid a fatwa?
Not all countries separate church and state. Iranian attorneys (and most mid-east attorneys I'd guess) have to navigate religious law as well as civic law.
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How exactly could an attorney help someone avoid a fatwa?
Dress up as Mark Zuckerberg?
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Dress up as Mark Zuckerberg?
Could be a good idea... but you'd have to find a lawyer with a terminal illness and arrange for payment to the soon-to-be bereaved.
Re:Yea, I'm sure he gives a rat's ass. (Score:5, Informative)
Um, some friends of mine got a fatwa from their imam about marriage recommendations last week. The word "fatwa" is the same thing as asking a member of the clergy for written advice.
Yes, there are problems with Muslim extremists, but I do wish people would stop turning the words "advice" and "school" into things meaning stuff they shouldn't?
Lets be real here: Iran has its problems, especially with extremists However, the country itself isn't evil, and Iranians in general see through the political BS more than Americans see through the CNN/Fox News/MSNBC charade.
In the scheme of things, the Iran court is a propaganda item to shore up the hard-liners who run the country. MZ isn't going to Tehran, nor will he be extradited there. If there were an extradition treaty, virtually every US and European citizen would be in deep trouble. The Iranian population knows this charade, and they likely will continue to quietly keep to their VPNs and continue to avoid the morality police/IRG members.
Again, one needs to separate Iran (the government from the Iranian people.) The people are smart enough not to use a jube as a waterslide.
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Lets be real here: Iran has its problems, especially with extremists However, the country itself isn't evil, and Iranians in general see through the political BS more than Americans see through the CNN/Fox News/MSNBC charade.
No shit! Mod parent up, please. Most insightful observation I've seen today.
Re:Yea, I'm sure he gives a rat's ass. (Score:5, Insightful)
Um, some friends of mine got a fatwa from their imam about marriage recommendations last week.
I understand what you are trying to explain about fatwas, but that is still very creepy for me, that someone would go for written approval from a religious figure for any important decision in their own lives. If you told me that your friends went to a Catholic priest, a Hindu Holy man, the Dalai Lama or Oprah Winfrey for recommendations, I would make me feel just as creepy.
Friends of mine are adults, with their own free will, and decided for themselves that they wanted to get married. It was their decision.
So what do your friends do when the their imam issues a fatwa on how to trim their garden . . . ? Or who to vote for in the next election . . . ? Or that their neighbor is a Zionist . . . ? Do they have free will and responsibility in their lives . . . ?
I feel that this reliance on religious authority is exactly what eventually leads folks down the path to commit atrocities in the name of religion . . . because, well, it wasn't their decision . . . it was made by a higher authority.
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Friends of mine are adults, with their own free will, and decided for themselves that they wanted to get married. It was their decision.
Are we to presume you never seek advice or counsel from other people? You must be an idiot to think you know everything and can evaluate every possible nuance.
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I understand what you are trying to explain about fatwas, but that is still very creepy for me, that someone would go for written approval from a religious figure for any important decision in their own lives. If you told me that your friends went to a Catholic priest, a Hindu Holy man, the Dalai Lama or Oprah Winfrey for recommendations, I would make me feel just as creepy.
Like the president of the United States of America, who solicits written advice from a bishop, an archbishop, a reverend, a most reverend, a sister, an elder and a rabbi?
Considering he hasn't added any humanists or atheists to his advisory staff, yes, I do find that rather creepy.
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Like the president of the United States of America, who solicits written advice from a bishop, an archbishop, a reverend, a most reverend, a sister, an elder and a rabbi?
Not President Bush. He gets advice directly from God.
Re:There is no divorce in Catholicism (Score:5, Interesting)
There's a pretty short list of what is considered acceptable grounds for annulment.
You might believe that, but practice is a bit different. My parents were married for six years, then (civilly) divorced. Two years later, they remarried each other (I have no comment on how smart my parents are) or, in the Catholic view, "renewed their vows." This marriage lasted another two years or so before they separated for good (the divorce followed along a couple of years later).
Fast forward a decade and a half, and my father (who in the interim married a second wife and had a second divorce) wants to marry a devout Catholic who refuses to marry outside of the Church. My father was able to obtain an annulment despite the opposition of my mother, her family, and my father's entire family (my grandmother (dad's mom) felt strongly enough about it to write letters to an archbishop and a cardinal). The archdiocese of Oakland saw no reason not to grant the annulment, and did so.
While I do wish my father domestic happiness, the result here is completely absurd, and goes to show that if you send enough money the church's way, morality is flexible.
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Agreed. Iran has some pretty intelligent people there, and much of the population is college educated.
The problem is, after seeing Iraq, Syria, Egypt, Libya, etc., no one is looking to overthrow a government any time soon, but looking instead for slower reforms.
Re:Yea, I'm sure he gives a rat's ass. (Score:4, Insightful)
America is vastly more democratic than Iran. The more democratic a government, the less the government can use violence and fear of violence to propagate its will and thus the better the propaganda.
Re:Yea, I'm sure he gives a rat's ass. (Score:5, Insightful)
We have armed police and drones because the population overwhelming supports both. That is democratic. You may not like it, but that doesn't make it non democratic.
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Um, some friends of mine got a fatwa from their imam about marriage recommendations last week. The word "fatwa" is the same thing as asking a member of the clergy for written advice.
That's what I was getting at. A fatwa is not a legal declaration, an attorney has nothing to do with it.
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Yes, billionaires are real afraid of Fatwas...
Zuck could afford to hire a private army to follow him around if he wanted.
Re:Yea, I'm sure he gives a rat's ass. (Score:5, Informative)
He's probably just glad that he lives in a country that apparently cares less about privacy than Iran.
Re:Yea, I'm sure he gives a rat's ass. (Score:5, Interesting)
"...the Zionist manager of Facebook..."
I'm guessing the verdict and sentence have already been established. All Iran needs is a victim.
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I'm pretty sure just being of Jewish descent is enough for a prosecution in Iran.
From what a report on Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's ancestry as few years ago, I think that would have impeded his rise to "power" back in 2005.
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To be fair, the Judge didn't say that. Some IT security guy did. Also, there are 25-35,000 Jews living in Iran, so it definitely isn't enough to get you prosecuted on its own. I'm not saying things are wonderful for them, but despite the harshness of their laws there is procedure and some kind of due process available. Jews do travel there without incident.
Speaking of racism though, you seem to have some fairly strong and not entirely accurate views about Iran.
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Hmmm ... do all names ending in 'berg' imply being of Jewish descent?
I thought that was a myth. Isn't it ultimately Germanic, and 'berg' means "from this city"?
I neither know nor care about Zuckerberg's religious background, but I've never assumed that 'berg' implied that.
No more than I assume that names ending in "ski" or "owitz" are anything more than likely Polish or Ukrainian.
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Isn't it ultimately Germanic, and 'berg' means "from this city"?
Berg means mountain. I suppose that "Zuckerberg" would be "Mountain of Sugar".
See: "Mountain of Ice": Iceberg.
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Both Karen Kempner and Edward Zuckerberg are Jewish. They raised Mark Jewish. Mark is religiously an atheist, but he never converted out.
So yes, the Iranian judge's "let's kill the kike" is at least factually accurate.
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I find it strange that Iran is trying to prosecute him for violating the privacy of people in every country OTHER THAN Iran...or, presumably, any other Western Infidel-blocking countries. If facebook is blocked in Iran, why would they give a fuck about it violating someone's privacy? Other than publicity.
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It's Islam Shariah Law. The rich are always favored over the poor. The publicity from this in Iran is worth every penny of "compensation" (which will indeed be pennies).
Re:Yea, I'm sure he gives a rat's ass. (Score:5, Informative)
It's Islam Shariah Law. The rich are always favored over the poor.
I don't know, the Iranians [bbc.com] just hanged a banker.
Good luck on that... he won't appear (Score:3, Insightful)
There is no way I see Zuckerberg appearing in an Iranian court anytime soon, regardless of the charges. I personally wouldn't step foot in the country myself, as an atheist, I'd be risking my neck because I'd likely say something stupid and get myself thrown in prison for heresy.
Re:Good luck on that... he won't appear (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Good luck on that... he won't appear (Score:5, Funny)
Regardless of ... well, pretty much anything, I wouldn't go anywhere near Iran.
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Which is sad because the country has quite a bit of history, and from everything I've heard the residents are actually a friendly and cordial people -- unless it's a lynch mob whipped up by the propaganda machine :(
Re:Good luck on that... he won't appear (Score:5, Insightful)
I've known many people over the years who identify themselves as 'Persian'.
They've been exceedingly nice, smart people for the most part. But, even they try very hard to distance themselves from Iran, the land of the batshit crazy.
And, I'm sorry, but the present-day country called Iran is no place I'd ever want to go. The historical Persia which had art, and science, and philosophy (and tolerance), and lots of cool things ... that I'd love to see.
But don't ever forget there's a difference between the historical entity, and the present one. And the present one is ruled by crazy idiots.
Re:Good luck on that... he won't appear (Score:4, Informative)
But, even they try very hard to distance themselves from Iran, the land of the batshit crazy.
I just met a guy who claimed "Iranian" heritage. His (muslim) family left "Iran" in the 1800's, and moved to Lahore.
On the other hand, I live in a neighborhood with Jews most of which moved from the Islamic Republic of Iran shortly after they revolution. They call themselves "Persian".
As per Wikipedia, the term "Eran" is found to refer to Iran in a 3rd-century Sassanid inscription, meaning "Land of the Aryans".
On the other hand, the country has been known in the West as "Persia" from the Greeks "Persis", meaning land of the Persians. There are Persians in Iran, but not all Iranians are Persians. Some Iranians are Lurs, Ossetians, Kurds, Pashtuns, Balochs, and Tajiks.
In 1935, Reza Shah requested that the international community refer to the country as Iran.
So it is complex...
Re:Good luck on that... he won't appear (Score:5, Interesting)
It really is a shame. That part of the world used to be known for arts, sciences, and education. I wish that it were still that way...
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Achaemenid_Empire
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They don't lynch you; they stone you. Yeesh, get it right.
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Are you kidding? I hear there's some great hiking up along the border.
( god damn retards )
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A shame about the government.
Wait, who were we talking about again?
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The Iranians have problems with German names?
Hint: "berg" is German for "hill" (as opposed to "burg" which is German for "city"). Any association you might have between Judaism and "berg" is really an association between Germans and "berg".
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Regardless of my actual ethnicity or religion, if my last name ended in ...berg I wouldn't go anywhere near Iran.
"Berg" is a common German family name. Both the Germans and the Iranians are the Aryan race. Thus, the "Berg" families would be closer to the Iranians than most other westerners.
Note that the nation changed its English name from Persia to Iran at the insistence of Nazi Germany, to identify itself with Aryan pride (before the second world war). The words Aryan and Iran are cognate.
Re:Good luck on that... he won't appear (Score:5, Insightful)
Zuckerberg wouldn't even need to say anything. He'd be jailed as an evil Zionist spy or some other nonsense the moment he tried to leave the country. I wouldn't fare any better with the last name Levine. You couldn't pay me enough money to travel to Iran.
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Islamic court: "Infidel! We'll behead you now - publicly."
I suspect an athiest's trial in Iran would last exactly five seconds longer than mine would (I'm not a religious Jew, but I am a secular Jew. I'm pretty sure the Iranian justice system wouldn't care about the difference).
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I'm not trolling at all. As a fellow jackass, I just don't see how religion has anything to do with it.
What you describe is no different than a Christian asking Jesus to bless a Jewish wedding, or a Muslim preparing a nice onion-and-garlic sauce for an Ananda Marga meal. It's also no different from making dead-baby jokes in front of the mother of a stillborn child, or discussing depressing topics at a celebration.
Being "not constantly aware" is indeed the problem, but again, that has nothing to do with your
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You can offend a vegetarian with onions and garlic? Wat
Diet and fasting: Lacto-vegetarian diet of Ananda Marga avoids meat, fish, eggs and some substances which are claimed to have a negative effect on the mind.
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Where's grumpy cat when you need him? (Score:2)
Go to country where I can get my hand cut off for offending the authorities? No.
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The fact that you're making that comment is a pretty strong statement about the (un)likelihood of that actually happening.
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The fact that you're making that comment is a pretty strong statement about the (un)likelihood of that actually happening.
As long as the guy getting killed without due process isn't you it's cool right?
We've been through this before. If they can take someone elses rights away, they can take yours away to. It's as simple as that.
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If they can take someone elses rights away, they can take yours away to. It's as simple as that.
They can take away the rights of people whom the public despises. Right now it's largely Muslim terrorists and pedophiles.
That does not mean Obama could say "Hey, guess what, from now on you can kill Protestants with no penalty, because the Catholic Church is the one true church!" and get away with it.
So no.. it's not as simple as that.
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Well, that's not the example given. The president certainly could have a single person killed for some arbitrary reason, he's already doing it. Which is what the OP had suggested. We've no idea how widespread the governments clandestine activities have gone. People disappear in this country all the time. 1 in 100 are in prison right now. How do we know a lot of that isn't politically motivated? If you'd have suggested such a thing to me a few years ago I'd have laughed. But ever since Snowden and the drone
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At the hands of the state without due process? Haven't heard about that one here. I call bullshit on your post.
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"Go to country where I can get my hand cut off for offending the authorities? No."
If you're a US resident, don't forget that you already live in a country where you can be killed without warning or due process (or made to disappear for the rest of your life) for offending the authorities. (Or even for having a name that some cretin thinks is like some other name that some other cretin put on a list).
If you consider plotting a real crime against the government or people of the US as 'offending an official', I might buy into that. Other than that, this statement is from fantasy land.
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No you can't. There is no assassination in the United States of US citizens. You most certainly can choose to comply with due process even if you live abroad. If you fail to comply, and determined to be a threat, then you can be killed. That's not without "due process" it is a more limited process.
Zuckerberg the Zionist (Score:2, Insightful)
I'm sure Mr. Zuckerberg is aboard the first American Airlines flight from San Francisco to Tehran.
Oh wait, no Southwest flight goes to Tehran.
Surely he's booked on United Airlines. No, wait, they don't fly to Tehran either.
Looks like NONE of the US carriers go there. Is it because they don't like money? That can't be
right. Is it because they are shareholder driven and their shareholders are all either dirty jews
or clean jews or some combination of clean and dirty jews? That seems unlikely.
OH WAIT, I GO
Re:Zuckerberg the Zionist (Score:4, Insightful)
"Great Satan" -- first used in Nov 1979 to label the USA by Iranian leader Ruhollah Khomeini.
"Axis of Evil" -- first used in Jan 2002 to label Iran, Iraq, and N. Korea by President George Bush.
So it is childish to make the comparison, but "they started it", if you are comparing the two phrases.
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The leaders of Iran started it long before Khomeini
They have been persecuting people of other Faiths for 170 years or so
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You have a point; it's even more of a point when you realise that "satan" means adversary. Now it means more in the USA when you say "Satan" -- but Christianity uses the name to represent "The Devil" or "Lucifer" -- in which case "the great satan" wouldn't really fit, as that would imply more than one satan.
And I think it's safe to say that Khomeini and his regime considered the US their great adversary -- as did the USSR at the time.
So many arguments throughout history began as a misunderstanding about wo
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While they have not done it yet they seem to want to wipe another country off the map.
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South park episode? (Score:5, Funny)
Wow, sounds like an emmy award winning south park episode
CIA Protects their own (Score:2)
Of Course Zuc wont appear in Iran, the CIA wont let the greatest target fed intel gathering effort in history go down so easy.
http://www.foxbusiness.com/tec... [foxbusiness.com]
It's an interesting question (Score:3, Insightful)
The USA has on a number of occasions extended its own laws to cover interactions with foreigners over the Internet. You only have to look at a certain naturalised New Zealander who the US have tried to extradite (Mega something or other, wasn't it)
The European Union isn't perfect either, as this "Right to Be Forgotten" law also seems to want to establish national law when the dealings are with foriegn companies that essentially only have sub-offices over here. In actual fact, the Iranian allegations of "Invasion of privacy" are fairly similar to the European Union position, which is one reason why I hope that the silly ruling is buried in some manner.
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With Kim Dotcom's/Mega case, the US tried to extradite him and he was detained by New Zealand authorities. It wasn't a covert black ops where he was kidnapped in the darkness of night. New Zealand obviously was working with the US (even if the US was pulling the strings)
With the EU's law if the company has a nexus somewhere in the EU then the company needs to comply with EU laws.
The likelihood that the US or just about any other country that Zuch would visit would cooperate in detaining him in any manner is
Can we send Justin Beiber as his ambassador? (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Can we send Justin Beiber as his ambassador? (Score:5, Funny)
As a Canadian, I second this proposal.
Re:Can we send Justin Beiber as his ambassador? (Score:4, Funny)
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Rob Ford is a good source material for jokes. He should get some form of immunity.
Yes, think of the comics!
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Let's not push our luck.
Besides, I was thinking Ford should tag along with Rodman on his next jaunt to North Korea...
Re:Can we send Justin Beiber as his ambassador? (Score:4, Funny)
The White House already responded to the petition [whitehouse.gov] and refused to comment on his specific situation, despite the fact that over 270K people signed the petition, making it one of the most (if not the most) supported petition yet on the site.
What he should tell them... (Score:3)
He should say that he'll fly over as soon as they send one of their Iranian stealth fighter jets [slashdot.org] to pick him up.
... nobody is talking about the privacy violations (Score:5, Insightful)
Say what you want about Iran, but they do have a point here. Will anyone listen to them? Probably not.
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You're right, when I upload pictures of my drunken escapades to a social networking site to an account tied to my real name, and my real friends and family, I really do expect that they will be held in the strictest confidence.
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That's not facebook, that's a bad employer.
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While I have no love for Facebook -or Zuckerberg - and its invasive policies, I have to wonder if Iran has any jurisdiction over Facebook anyway?
Does Facebook run any servers in Iran? Do they have any offices in Iran? Do they actively seek to bypass attempts by the Iranian government to block its citizens from accessing Facebook? And, if so, do they have any evidence that Zuckerberg himself is behind these heinous "crimes"?
The very fact that this judge is calling on Zuckerberg himself (and using inciteful l
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You seem unaware that if you volunteer your private information to the interwebs, it becomes public.
IOW, if you don't like Facebook, don't use it. Noone is making you start a Facebook page (well, I should qualify that: noone has ever tried to force ME to make a Facebook page. Maybe I'm special, and the rest of you lot are held at gunpoint until you have your Facebook page set up).
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or convincing you to willingly give up private information
You seem unaware that if you volunteer your private information to the interwebs, it becomes public.
I am well aware of that. However a large number of facebook users apparently are not.
IOW, if you don't like Facebook, don't use it.
And I don't use it.
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Interesting that none of the comments so far talk about the blatant privacy violations that facebook commits on a regular basis. Even more so, nobody talks about the fact that violating your privacy - or convincing you to willingly give up private information - is the very business model of facebook.
That's because everyone here knows that. It's not news.
Say what you want about Iran, but they do have a point here. Will anyone listen to them? Probably not.
Well, nobody cares, because everybody knows it's coming apart, take one last look etc etc. I mean, privacy is going away, whether we like it or not. We only have to decide what we're doing about it. Will we decide to live and let live, or continue to go to war with one another over our differences, only now armed with the terrible knowledge of just how many differences we have? Oh sure, we'll learn about similarities too, but for some reason we don't se
On the other hand.. (Score:3)
...they could ask for someone who would show up instead. What's Dennis Rodman up to these days?
Iran's Leadership (Score:2)
Someone should send them a link to 4Chan and watch the entire committee's heads explode.
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Iran = NZ (Score:3)
I'm sure the Iranians have observed America's approach to Kim Dotcom with interest.
Knock knock (Score:2, Funny)
Who's there?
> Iran
Iran who?
> Iran away.
> Knock knock
Who's there?
>Iran
Iran who?
>Iran for office but as soon as I got there they locked the door and threw away the key.
KNOCK KNOCK KNOCK KNOCK (Score:2)
Oh shit!
Re:Nothing short of a Fatwa... (Score:5, Funny)
I'm sorry, but Facebook just reorganized how they display postings and the Fatwa didn't appear. Maybe they would like to advertise with Facebook to ensure that their Fatwa status updates appear at the top of everyone's feeds?
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Iranian leadership is managed by Persian non-Arabic Moslems. They have many disputes with Arabs, but anti-Jewish bigotry and ideology is a common bond.